Linux Desktop Summit 2004 Review 190
An anonymous reader writes "I had the experience this week of attending the Linux Desktop Summit hosted
by Michael Robertson's Linspire, Lindows, or whatever you want to call it these days. Irregardless of what you call it, it's Linux, and the general
consensus from vendors and attendees was, "We're here to stay."
I have to say that this was an interesting convention. Keeping in line with the Linux community, there was more of a sense of community rather than the
typical "Choose our product" ambiance, With a few exceptions of course."
All I would like to know is.... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:All I would like to know is.... (Score:1)
Some things missing from the article (Score:2)
Re:All I would like to know is.... (Score:2)
Creative english (Score:4, Funny)
So I must call it Linspire then?
Re:Creative english (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Creative english (Score:5, Informative)
from m-w [m-w.com] online:
"Main Entry: irregardless
Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead."
Re:Creative english (Score:3)
Put it in as many dictionaries as you will, but "irregardless" is wrong. It is a word, but it's a word used by illiterate
Re:Creative english (Score:2)
Re:Creative english (Score:2)
We should be irregardless-less.
We must not exhibit irregardless-ness.
We must be irregardless-less-ness-less.
(Kudos to Rowan Atkinson for this one).
it IS here to stay (Score:4, Informative)
Plus, with WMs like XFCE4 and desktops like Gnome2.6 and KDE 3.2, you can tell that the technology is already there for 90% of what you need on the desktop.
VDS
Re:it IS here to stay (Score:3, Informative)
and ratpoison [sf.net] is pretty good for a lightweight wm. seing a highres terminal at full screen... drool. oh and konqueror on full screen... that's amazing.
p.s. i found out about ratpoison [sf.net] via a /. post
Re:it IS here to stay (Score:2)
Of course, it helps to have dual monitors...
ratpoison.sf.net??? (Score:2)
Unknown host ratpoison.sf.net
where are they now??? try here!!! [sourceforge.net] but their homepage [sourceforge.net] is borked...
Swag has returned? (Score:5, Interesting)
This guy says Novell is giving away t-shirts again? Does this foreshadow a return to the heady days of the dotcom boom? Buy tech stocks, folks, it looks like we've got ourselves an upswing in the making!
I left with 4 shirts and 6 bottles of maple syrup (Score:3, Interesting)
YES, Novell gave out a SuSE/Novell/Ximian shirt.
I also left with a Real Helix shirt
A PC Club shirt
And the Desktop Linux Conference shirt
If you were lucky, you got one of the shirts the mozilla guy raffled out. (I saw him just *give* one to Nat Friedman, but thats ok) I was lucky to grab a nice CD 'n' sleeve of mozilla goodness.
Seagate gave out the trippiest pen I've ever seen.
DeviantArt gave out nice stickers.
Sun gave out CDs of StarOffice and the Java Desktop
Some random mousepads.
PC Club gave out a
Re:I left with 4 shirts and 6 bottles of maple syr (Score:1)
chug! chug! chug!
Re:I left with 4 shirts and 6 bottles of maple syr (Score:1)
Re:Swag has returned? (Score:2)
Why would a company give away t-shirts and gadgets to a crowd of guys (income judgements aside) who are interested in a product that is essentially free?
For the most part, th
Let me get this straight (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Swag has returned? (Score:5, Funny)
6 t-shirts last a year without washing ...? I think you've just done more to turn people away from Linux than SCO, Rob Enderle and Laura DiDio combined.
Somehow I'm pretty sure Mandrake was missing .... (Score:5, Interesting)
There is no denying it. Mandrake is a lovely 100% GPL user-friendly distro, that seems to be rather popular
But even without knowing much about this meeting, I'm pretty sure that Mandrakesoft wasn't there. Why? because Mandrakesoft does a crappy job of MARKETING. And its getting really annoying too watching crap distros like Linspire get so much spot-light.
Like I said
Sunny Dubey
They, err, he, was there (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Somehow I'm pretty sure Mandrake was missing .. (Score:1, Informative)
I found Mandrake 9.2 to be fairly buggy and easy to confuse. Try changing to/from GMT in the hwclock sometime. Try calling your optical disks something other than CDROM0, CDROM1, CDROM2, etc. sometime. Try running their framebuffered version of VNC sometime and explain why it runs 10x slower than vanilla VNC?
I'm just an AC, so don't listen to me, but Mandrake shouldn't market themselves until they get a distribution that has more than skin-deep beauty.
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Re:Somehow I'm pretty sure Mandrake was missing .. (Score:3, Interesting)
I use Mandrake 9 myself, and I'm no marketing genius, but I have to say this was not exactly the best way to build any confidence in the future of the distribution.
Lexmark printers (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Lexmark printers (Score:1)
If you take their proprietary driver and foomatic it, you can even use the stuff under Cups!
Re:Lexmark printers (Score:2)
The "X" all-in-one series I can understand why there's no driver, but the Optras?
clarifications on the games (Score:5, Informative)
I was working for Garage Games at this conference.
The large robot game is Dark Horizon's: Lore [darkhorizons-lore.com] and it will be released for linux in a few weeks. It is already available for windows and osx.
We also showed Think Tanks [bravetree.com], Orbz [21-6.com], and Marble Blast [garagegames.com]. All of these are available for windows, mac and linux, from the Garage Games site [garagegames.com].
We did NOT demo Doom. People were playing that because some of the machines didn't have good enough 3D acceleration (i.e. no nvidia cards) to run the other games.
Re:clarifications on the games (Score:1)
We did NOT demo Doom. People were playing that because some of the machines didn't have good enough 3D acceleration (i.e. no nvidia cards) to run the other games.
Are NVIDIA cards favored (over ATI) by Linux gamers because of better driver support? I have to admit that I am out of late on the latest on this front. Thanks.
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You've got to keep in mind... (Score:5, Insightful)
I know it may leave a nasty taste in your mouth to witness the commercialization of linux, but really, its something we should not only get used to, but push.
Im sorry, but the trailing sentance in the article posting made my inner penguin frown...
Re:You've got to keep in mind... (Score:2)
Why?
You say this as though it is self-evident. It isn't.
Re:You've got to keep in mind... (Score:2)
I know homogenous computing enviornments are "bad", but if it were up to me, everything would run linux.
I'm not trying to sound like a zealot (apologies if i do) but as far as operating systems go, i find it absurd that
Converting Users (Score:4, Informative)
In my experience it is not as simple as that. Most people have resistance for change. When they have got used to one operating system it is not easy to teach them to do things in a different way. And Linux is still behind Windows in terms of usability, which I think should be the first priority for future Linux development.
Re:Converting Users (Score:5, Insightful)
In my experience it is not as simple as that. Most people have resistance for change. When they have got used to one operating system it is not easy to teach them to do things in a different way. And Linux is still behind Windows in terms of usability, which I think should be the first priority for future Linux development.
Actually, I'd disagree on both points. Most people wouldn't notice if you swapped Windows XP and XPde on their machines until they realized that their desktop had been running for a couple of months without a virus attack bringing their system to its knees. A developer would notice almost immediately but I suspect that if you kept the menus similar enough, most people would just pick up and go.
On useability, I'd say that GNOME was streets ahead of Windows for simplicity and usability (I don't use KDE so I can't compare there). Consistent look and feel across all HIGified GNOME apps, intelligent prompt buttons in prompt windows (and some serious gdesklet eyecandy :-) ) make it an easy system for a user to grasp. I find Windows XP to be a mess of animated icons and swooping flashing windows ruining my concentration in its default form, and I feel palpable relief when I get back to a Linux box with its calmer, faster and more comfortable setup.
Usability is partly a function of what you are used to. But switching isn't nearly as tough as a lot of people seem to think (or fear).
Cheers,
Toby Haynes
But... (Score:1, Insightful)
Unfortunately there's one fly in that soup. Games! That's the
Re:Converting Users (Score:2, Informative)
How strange. I have been using Windows at home since '95 and have yet to log a virus. The systems at work seem to keep ticking along as well.
Re:Because you probably use AntiVirus... (Score:3, Informative)
But I don't know of any operating system that is perfectly secure and maintains free out of the box.
Also I'm sure you are ultra careful when visiting certain sites, and avoid doing things which will lead to infestation.
Not particularly. There are some simple, practical, barriers erected through the options in IE6, Norton and others. Regrettably, my interests and tastes rarely lead me to sites that would be dangerous.
And then there's the mail client problem; You'd have made su
Slashdotters LOVE to say this (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah, until they went to Wal-mart, brought home a printer, and realized sticking in the Autoplay installer CD does nothing.
Or they tried to install the latest Sims expansion.
Or they wanted to fire up Yahoo Messenger, so they go to the website and download it, unable to install it and blaming it on Windows.
Or they look for "My Documents" or "\Windows\System."
Or...you get the idea. Hell, Linux doesn't even have a binary installation/uninstallation API for its desktops. I don't want to have to rely on GUI hacks like Synaptic or xterm "apt-get" solutions. Give me installer APIs! Why the hell is this being overlooked in favor of more sidebar buttons for KDE or redesigned file selector dialogs in GTK?
Re:Slashdotters LOVE to say this (Score:3, Insightful)
If people don't want choices companies are happy to take the choices away for them. Redhat, sun, linspire and to lesser extent suse all give the user a cohesive system with a pre-chosen set of software. The user does not ever have to think of what desktop or browser to use because there is one default one installed. They all also handle updating and installing transparently for the user. This is especially powerful with click n run where the user is presented wit
Re:Slashdotters LOVE to say this (Score:2)
As for installers, that's a breeze compared to building something like RPM, which is already done. Give it time - it'll come. For now, the consumer is not a primary target for Linux - limited application environments are, like call centers. The much drooled after Home Desktop
Re:Slashdotters LOVE to say this (Score:3, Funny)
Probably not a big deal, since they already asked me to disable that god-awful autoplay feature
so they go to the website and download it, unable to install it and blaming it on Windows
You might want to tell them not to install Ford parts on the Mercedes as well.
Re:Converting Users (Score:4, Interesting)
You know, this sort of rhetoric isn't really helpful to any debate about the merits of different operating systems. In a professionally managed environment, it's relatively simple to prevent viruses. This sort of statement is about the same as "GPL is a cancer"
Re:Converting Users (Score:2)
The key words there in your statement are "professionally managed"... and judging by the evidence of my own spam/virus filtering and the hits on my firewall... the vast majority of home users and businesses out there using ms-windows are not professionally managed... and the default security settings of XP HE do not encourage it and there is very little mention in the little pamphlet that comes with a box these days of t
"Irregardless" (Score:2, Funny)
Mike
Re:"Irregardless" (Score:3, Funny)
Guy A: Irregardless, she's a twat!
Buy B: "Irregardless" isn't even a word
Guy A: Yes it is! It means "Without lack of regard"
Guy B: I pity you
Guy A: You do huh?
Guy B: Yeah
Guy A: Ooh, you're getting me all weepy!
Woman: Don't cry Joe! Wanna hug?
desktop disparity (Score:1)
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Irregardless (Score:1, Redundant)
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Re:Software installation (Score:1)
The path of Linux is the path of Google (Score:2)
I believe that Google's popularity as a search engine increased by way of word of mouth from cluey computer users (not necessarily geeks, but people that install their own hardware, muck around with applications and that sort of thing) who consistently received quality search results in a time when the previous kings (altavista, yahoo, etc) were starting to become bloated and returning rubbish.
I know that many people I know now rely on Google without ever using anot
Re:The path of Linux is the path of Google (Score:2)
I think so, too. Linux is going to be hijacked by cheap commercial entities, because it's giving them something for free that they would have to pay for dearly otherwise. Linux on the desktop will essentially be marketed by cheap companies that do not want the hassle of a separate development department, Linspire being the perfect example.
Did Linspire give anything back to the Open Source community? No, they're just profiting from free giveaways and laughing thei
Re:Software installation (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Software installation (Score:2)
Slightly off topic, but when you go send a friendly note to ATI asking for Linux support, ask for Open Source software. Proprietary drivers aren't good enough.
Your choice of operating system should not be based on what hardware you happen to have. A proliferation of binary-only drivers for Linux is going to stifle usage of
Epson care about screwing linux users too!!! (Score:2)
Drivers are nice and all, but you still get an Epson printer. A printer that dries up the print heads in a few days and uses half a cartridge of ink cleaning itself, a printer that cleans itself even if it isn't 'dirty', a printer that uses multi-colour cartridges that need to be replaced when you run out of just one colour, a printer with chipped cartridges that can't be refilled withou
Re:Epson care about screwing linux users too!!! (Score:2)
Epson Stylus C64/C84/R200/R300/R800 - all have one cartridge per colour.
I've used many epson printers and IME it takes several weeks/months before they dry out.
The chip is only for the printer to keep track of how much ink is left in the cartridge - it doesn't identify the cartridge as being genuine. The chip may not keep an accurate record of how much ink is left but that's a separate matter.
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Ideal Linux desktop (Score:2)
However, I can't decide which distro is best. I'm not as concerned about usability, since the apps are where usability is the issue, and they'll be the same regardless of the distro. What I'm concerned about is not having to support it after it's running, ease of installation of new software (for a newbie), and the ability to have it automatically receive errata up
Re:Linux: My Observations(Certified MS Professiona (Score:1, Offtopic)
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IBM?
I can make up facts too! (Score:5, Funny)
* has 73.2% better interoperopenfunkability;
* is 21.1% more likely to smell like fresh pine;
* and is 25.7% faster via bogolumped figinert bus operability within the plantifold interface than any version of Windows.
Re:I can make up facts too! (Score:2)
Re:I can make up facts too! (Score:2)
Re:I can make up facts too! (Score:2)
I don't know about that. I'm having problems getting my Slack to do anything funky, yet Windows seems to be full of funk. Just run it for a while and it seems to get funky every day.
As for pine, I prefer X based mail readers.
Re:I can make up facts too! (Score:2)
Really? Remember what the linux mascot smells like?
Re:I can make up facts too! (Score:2)
The plantifold interface clearly gave you away...
Re:Linux: My Observations(Certified MS Professiona (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Linux: My Observations(Certified MS Professiona (Score:1)
First: SEVERAL INDEPENDENT RESEARCH INSTITUTES
Who exactly are these independent institutes?
Second: LinuxOS
What exactly is LinuxOS, I know that the Linux kernal is the basis of many distros, I've never heard of one named LinuxOS though.
Third: Linux 7.0 webserver
I've never heard of this application before. Linux itself is at 2.6, but the main webserver is Apache. So what exactly is this idiot talking about?
Fourth:
Re:Linux: My Observations(Certified MS Professiona (Score:3, Interesting)
First, let me explain my personal POV: I use Windows. I see that Microsoft is the de facto standard and respect them for making good, usable software products. I do support Free software because I think it's "cool", but some of the stuff is just a pain to use.
GFDL licensing
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No, he's not and hasn't been for months.
If you're going to write a saga in response to an obvious cut'n'paste troll, at least get your facts straight.
Re:Linux: My Observations(Certified MS Professiona (Score:2)
Hmm
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> (Score:-1, Flamebait)
I couldn't've said it better myself.
Re:Linux: My Observations(Certified MS Professiona (Score:1)
Regards,
Steve
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I say you are wrong and I have the sufficient number of letters after my name to prove it.
Sen. Sir John Wilson III, BCompSci, PLO, KKK, SDA, IRA, OBE
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Actually that is not true, the mods are highly predictable. This will get modded up because of that mention.
Also, the difference between -1 Flamebait and +5 Funny is the mood of the reader.
--Joey
Re:COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT (Score:2)
2. Pull poster into court
3. ???
4. Get two trolls off Slashdot
5. PROFIT!!!
Re:Sorry to be a grammar nazi, but this must end. (Score:2, Interesting)
I apologize for the off topic comment, but this is something that I think gets censored or at least ignored too often on this site.
Correct grammar and competent editing by Slashdot editors in general is important for at least two reasons I can think of off the top of my head:
Re:Sorry to be a grammar nazi, but this must end. (Score:1)
I think that it is fair, after all Rob appears in Revolution OS [imdb.com], the movie about GNU/Linux.
SCO's most viscious detractors are here. Remember the Iopener Linux hack? It got more popularity here than anywhere else. Being that this is a thread about Linux, at the very least, the submitter should make a nominal effort to prevent making the whole community look bad.
LK
Re:Sorry to be a grammar nazi, but this must end. (Score:1)
I really doubt the /. editors care if you block the ads or not. They might appreciate a subscription, but they probably don't care too much about that either.
Perhaps, but this is exactly the problem in the first place. Apathy is not a favorable quality in writers, editors, businesspeople, or web developers.
Is now... (Score:1)
Re:Irregardless is not a word (Score:4, Informative)
irregardless is synonymous with regardless.
Conjecture (Score:2)
Depending on how you fill in the blank, the above statement can be true (e.g. "00") or false (e.g. "99").
Re:MOD PARENT FUNNY PLEASE!. (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:MOD PARENT FUNNY PLEASE!. (Score:2)
The people who believe as described in that post are far better informed, which is not very good news.
However, its not all "doom and gloom" the number of people who use Linux today greatly exceeds the number who had used a computer in 1980. Very few Linux users would go back to Windows without bloodshed. Most Windo
You have no idea how funny your post is (Score:3, Informative)
Now, notice the use of ironic h