Nokia Releases Linux Handset 484
galaxy writes "Nokia releases their first Linux mobile handset, the N900 The handset is based on the latest release of Maemo, the Nokia mobile Linux platform, and includes e.g. GSM and 3G access (with HSPA, giving datarates of up to 10Mbps downlink and 2Mbps uplink on suitable networks), WLAN, Bluetooth, camera, assisted GPS and, most importantly, a touchscreen complemented by a hardware QWERTY under a slider. The beast is powered by an ARM Cortex-A8 processor at 600 MHz, has PowerVR SGX with OpenGL ES 2.0 support, 32GB internal memory etc."
how much is it? (Score:2)
specs are better than the iphone and the interface looks nice. how much is it? I think the $299 price point is the most that most people are willing to pay
Re:how much is it? (Score:5, Informative)
500, in October. [engadget.com].
That works out to $712 USD as of this post (click for a more up-to-date rate [xe.com]), but that will probably be European style - unlocked and with no contract.
It will be up to carriers in countries like the US to decide how much to subsidise the phone, over what contract term.
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My apologies, Slashdot ate my euro symbol. That's 500 euro.
Re:how much is it? (Score:4, Informative)
€ symbol is available by HTML entity: €
If you just poked it in by keyboard, I think slashcode will eat it.
Why? Cuz it's slashcode.
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Slashcode supports UTF-8. Slashdot doesn't.
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Bad dog! Get off my lawn!! And, take your dumb kid with you!
Re:how much is it? (Score:5, Informative)
It's headed for T-Mobile. It cleared all the FCC requirements a few weeks ago and the specs list the 1700/2100 band that T-Mobie USA uses.
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Scroll down to 'Operating frequency'
* Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
* WCDMA 900/1700/2100 MHz
My guess is it will be sold unlocked in the US, much like many of their high end phones.
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Hmm... what is thin "European" style you are speaking of. I don't know how it's in other European *countries*, but here in Germany, you got two options:
Either you buy it without any contract or anything (like simlock and branding), and pay the full 500€, or you buy a plan for two years, and depending of the size of that, you will pay between 150€ ($213) and 1€ initially. With branding at the network providers themselves, without branding at independent (and usually cheaper) resellers, and sim
Re:how much is it? (Score:5, Informative)
specs are better than the iphone and the interface looks nice. how much is it? I think the $299 price point is the most that most people are willing to pay
How are these specs better then the iPhone 3GS? The 3GS contains:
Aside from the hardware keyboard, I'm not seeing how it's better hardware-wise.
Re:how much is it? (Score:5, Funny)
You missed the part where it said "it runs Linux". At that point whatever stats it has you multiply by 911 to get the real stats. If comparing to the iPhone, you multiply by 911 *twice* to get the comparison stats.
Act, Gary, act.
Re:how much is it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah the iPhone is so free as in speech you can't install arbitrary apps unless you jailbreak it. Also as the other replier to your message mentioned, OSX doesn't have a BSD kernel, it has a Mach kernel with a BSD compat layer and some BSD userland.
Re:how much is it? (Score:4, Interesting)
much better camera and 16GB removable SD cards are supported in addition to the internal memory
i have an iphone 3GS 32GB and if this thing is good in 2 years i'll trade my iphone for it. I like the iphone but it has enough problems for a competitor to come in and take market share.
My BB Curve has much better battery life than my iphone when comparing push email
Apple screwed up contacts importation and allows double and triple contact creation. RIM is better at this.
Apple seems to have taken a cue from Microsoft and if you read the forums, the magic fix is to restore as a new phone. Just like reinstalling Windows.
I like the iPhone mostly for it's flexibility. i have 150 apps on mine which take up over 1GB of space. with RIM's ancient OS it's impossible to do this. The Pre is still in beta but is looking very promising.
even though I'm an MCSE, Microsoft is dead in the mobile space. I don't even think they care. They licensed Active Sync to Apple, Palm and Google but you can't access MS Exchange from most WinMo phones or the Zune.
2 Years? (Score:2)
I would think that by then both of these things will have been thoroughly outclassed.
The US is funny - most europeans (with contracts) get a new phone every year, though the companies are trying to elongate that at the moment.
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Built-in FM transmitter
Given that these are illegal in much of the world (although the relevant laws are not enforced for low-power transmitters), I wonder if this will limit adoption.
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Low power FM transmitters are very common in the US. Many people use them to connect their MP3 player to their car's radio system. I'm guessing that is what this one is for. With 32GB (or 48GB) of storage you could use this instead of an iPod or other MP3 player.
Cheers,
the_crowbar
Re:how much is it? (Score:5, Informative)
specs are better than the iphone and the interface looks nice. how much is it? I think the $299 price point is the most that most people are willing to pay
How are these specs better then the iPhone 3GS? The 3GS contains:
Aside from the hardware keyboard, I'm not seeing how it's better hardware-wise.
Up to 1 GB of application memory (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory) .mp4; codec: MPEG-4 .mp4, .avi, .wmv, .3gp; codecs: H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV, H.263
Data transfers over a cellular network 10/2Mbps
Removable battery
Wide aspect ratio 16:9 (WVGA)
Video recording file format:
Video recording at up to 848x480 pixels (WVGA) and up to 25fps
Removable battery
Video playback file formats:
5 MP camera with Carl Zeiss lens and LED flash
3D graphics accelerator with OpenGL ES 2.0 support
Removable battery
32 GB internal storage
Expandable to up to 48 GB with external microSD card
Removable battery
800x480 resolution screen
Removable battery
There's more, but I'm tiered of copying and pasting. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is nice, but these specs are better as far as I know (not sure about the widescreen). Oh, and there's a Removable battery
Re:how much is it? (Score:5, Funny)
I think you forgot the most important new feature.
It has a removable battery!
Only compared to an iPhone (Score:4, Insightful)
The iPhone is a fashion accessory, and fashion accessories do not require removable/swappable anything.
You dispose of, and replace.
Re:Only compared to an iPhone (Score:5, Funny)
The iPhone is a fashion accessory, and fashion accessories do not require removable/swappable anything.
You dispose of, and replace.
And it even takes care of that for you by conveniently exploding when it's done.
Re:Only compared to an iPhone (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Only compared to an iPhone (Score:4, Informative)
Uhh yes there is. What the heck are you talking about? You hold the home and power buttons simultaneously for a few seconds, ignore any on-screen shutdown prompt and it will do a hard reset. I'm laughing at you waiting till the battery drains to start using your phone...read the manual.
Re:how much is it? (Score:4, Informative)
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> Removable battery
That does it for me - I'm getting the iPhone!
Re:how much is it? (Score:5, Interesting)
N900 has a single-touch resistive touchscreen, compared to the iPhone's capactive, multitouch screen. The demo video shows an interesting single-touch zoom method on the N900 - draw a spiral, like winding a display closer or further away.
Re:how much is it? (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually the real things that set it apart from the 3GS are the following:
* Expandable storage with up to 48 GB with external microSD card (vs nothing) .mp4, .avi, .wmv, .3gp; codecs: H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV, H.263 (vs. some Quicktime codecs & FLV, not sure which)
* 800x480 resolution screen (vs 320x480)
* Video playback file formats:
* Removable battery
The rest is basically the same, especially CPU and GPU wise. I am not sure about the virtual memory stuff. Might be interesting for multitasking applications, although I am not sure how well this works out on the Maemo platform.
The iPhone has on the other side the advantage of a really slick interface and IMHO very good usability. We will definitely also buy one or two N900s for development, and so far I haven't seen one in real life. But I am looking forward to compare them to the iPhone in both performance as well as usability. Also I am looking forward to see what the SDK looks like, never worked with Maemo before.
Cheers.
CDMA (Score:2, Informative)
You missed a big difference for people in the USA... Quoting the specifications page [nokia.com]
Operating frequency
* Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
* WCDMA 900/1700/2100 MHz
That's right. This device will be available with CDMA support. Which means that people in the US who are customers of carriers who didn't adopt GSM like everybody else in the world ( eg: Sprint, Verizon ) will, in theory, be able to use the phone, too.
And before you say that we should al
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Re:how much is it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Much, much higher resolution screen, 800x480.
Re:how much is it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Where's the iPhone's 3GS 5 megapixel camera with flash (and Carl Zeiss optics and integrated lens cap), and 800x480 @25fps video? Oh, wait, iPhone 3GS only goes up to 640x480 on the video and 3 megapixels on the camera, no flash, no lens cap.
Also, what's the display resolution? The N900 ix 800x480, a whopping 384K pixels. The iPhone 3GS weighs in at a paltry 480x320, sporting less than half the screen real estate at 153K pixels.
Identical specs indeed.
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Shame you don't know what you're talking about.
A-GPS == "integrated GPS with Assited [sic] GPS"
I.e., it's GPS with Assistance, like the name suggests. Both devices are equivalent.
Releases? (Score:2, Troll)
Design?! (Score:2, Funny)
- it is right there above Linux Penguin.
This is Slashdot, we are not supposed to click on TFA link to see more details....
Sigh (Score:2, Funny)
32GB internal memory etc.
If it has 32GB of internal memory, bend me over and call me nancy.
memory != storage. Please don't do that.
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Your right, 256MB memory with 768MB virtual. It as 32GB of internal storage. You editors should know better.
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It uses flash memory as it's storage method. Call it memory or storage, whichever you prefer, & it doesn't matter, since it's both...
FTFW:
Mass memory
* 32 GB internal storage
* Store up to 7000 MP3 songs or 40 hours of high-quality video
* Up to 16 GB of additional storage with an external microSD card
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Right.
T-Mobile's 3G (Score:2)
I don't suppose there's any chance in getting this phone in a flavor that supports TMobile's 3G network?
Re:T-Mobile's 3G (Score:5, Insightful)
"Another dumbass that doesn't bother reading the tech specs [nokia.com]:"
Whoa, some people don't *understand* those tech specs. Seeing "* Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900" doesn't necessarily make it obvious to people who aren't familiar with which signaling standards and frequencies a given carrier uses.
I think it's a little harsh to calls omeone a "dumbass" just because they don't understand the particulars of cell phone networks. Granted, this is /. so you hope most of the readers understand, but, even though someone is a 'nerd' doesn't make them knowledgeable iin *every* area of technology. They might know more than you ever will about astronomy, or quantum physics, or computer programming, and not know anything about cell networks.
Sure, but... (Score:4, Funny)
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Sure, but does it run Lin... oh. Nevermind.
I was literally asking the same question. Sure, I know the phone is Linux based, but will I be able to sync it up with Ubuntu desktop?
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Which would be answered if you read about the phone...
Unlike the google phones this will be based on a normal Linux distribution with all drivers open sourced - and first generation will be on GTK, but should be changed to QT soonish since Nokia happens to own that piece of .... code.
Being based on GTK code means nothing as far as being able to sync up with other GTK or even QT apps.
I read about the phone. It seems to be able to link up with exchange email, calendar and contacts with no problems so I know it will have software that runs on Windows (what phone doesn't?!!?). Will it sync up with my Kontact Calendar and contact list? If not Kontact, how about Evolution? Or will it have a proprietary, online calendar like Google's?
I ask because I've had a hell of a time getting my Centr
Oh, go ahead (Score:2)
Go ahead and ask. This is /. after all. We *like* to post questions here which would be answered by reading the headline, article summary, or first paragraph of the linked to article.
Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (Score:5, Interesting)
The iPhone was a 'fail' for me for several reasons, but most of all:
1) No real keyboard.
(The N900 has a pull out keyboard)
2) No support for Flash
(The N900 has Flash support)
3) No real multitasking
(The N900 has multitasking)
4) Skype
(The N900 has Skype)
Add the fact that this baby runs Linux, and I'm 100% sold. This has huge promise.
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...except that nokia is still one of those 'do evil' companies.
or, has that changed? they are still on my do-not-buy list, same as apple.
until they stop wanting to spy on their own employees and threatening to 'leave the country', they are still on my shit list.
Re:Answers all my biggest iPhone gripes (Score:4, Interesting)
supporting article: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/02/nokia-to-finland-let-us-spy-here-or-were-going-elsewhere.ars [arstechnica.com]
I don't trust nokia. why would you?
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I don't trust Apple, why would you? ;)
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no, I don't trust apple, either. I'll never own one of their phones.
I have no need for 'style accessories'. I'll leave that for teenagers who 'must have' apple phones to be cool.
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I am reachable whenever I pick up the phone. Which is my choice.
I like being able to CALL people whenever I want. I like being able to surf the net whenever I feel like it.
Skype? (Score:3, Informative)
The iPhone does have Skype now, you know. True, it's only allowed to work over the 802.11 connection, not the cellular, but it's definitely there.
Dan Aris
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Personally I don't care for Android because it's so Javafied. I really truly detest Java.
People who "detest" programming languages are posers. Go back to writing the Next Big Rails App on your aluminium Unibody Macbook (if you can distract yourself from admiring the reflection in the glossy screen) and spare us the ego.
I'm asking too much, aren't I.
Languages I detest, I detest for a reason. (Score:5, Informative)
Personally I don't care for Android because it's so Javafied. I really truly detest Java.
People who "detest" programming languages are posers.
How's that, exactly? Some of us have simply worked with a particular language or tool long enough to know some good reasons to hate it...
Personally I'm down with Java as a language, I just don't see the point of running everything through a VM on a pocket machine. Translate the app to native code when installing it to the phone or something, there's no point JITing or VMing the code at runtime.
DO WANT (Score:5, Insightful)
Open source? Check.
Looks stylish? Check.
Hardware built by reputable supplier? Check.
Did I mention it was open source?
I know what my next phone will be!
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Keyboard missing a dedicated number row? Check.
UI a mishmash of whizzo gimmicks without much thought put into them? Check.
Instantly abandoned as soon as Nokia sees another shiny object? Check.
I want to like this thing. I do not. This is neither a BB nor an iPhone killer.
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Shaped, sized and weighted like a nonpocketable brick? Check.
Wireless. Bigger than an iPhone. Lame. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Wireless. Bigger than an iPhone. Lame. (Score:5, Funny)
 Wireless. Bigger than an iPhone. Lame. Â
Yeah, a wired mobile phone is so much more practical...
Positioned as a high end device - not a phone. (Score:5, Informative)
Look at the N900 feature list [nokia.com] - "Phone" is fourth down.
Maemo may power Nokia's high-end devices, but this is no reason to sound the death knell for Symbian. With regard to Nokia, they make a lot of phones that are not the N900, and do not cost 500 euro. There are also dozens of other companies supporting the Symbian Foundation [wikipedia.org], including many other manufacturers like Samsung [samsungmobile.com] and Sony Ericsson [sonyericsson.com].
Symbian^4 will use Qt as its UI layer [tamoggemon.com], and Maemo is moving into a similar direction [maemo.org] (that's why Nokia bought Trolltech!) - targeting both platforms should be quite simple.
CDMA (Score:2, Interesting)
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What state do you live in? Hawaii or Alaska? Is there a lower 48 with AT&T coverage that bad?
Re:CDMA (Score:4, Informative)
Also, I happen to live in one of the supposedly "Best" AT&T service islands in the middle of the vast empty area on the first map, and typing in my ZIP code on the AT&T "build your package" wizard returns a message that "this is one of the few areas we haven't reached yet."
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Nokia finally sees the limits of Symbian (Score:4, Interesting)
where your root prompt is (Score:5, Informative)
$ sudo gainroot [wordpress.com]
There it is!
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From the Nokia press release that showed how to get root access ( http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/ [wordpress.com]):
"If freedom is your concern then you donâ(TM)t need to âoeunlockâ or âoejailbreakâ Maemo 5. From installing an application to getting root access, itâ(TM)s you who decide. We trust you, and at the end itâ(TM)s your device. Nokia also trusts the open source community in general and the Maemo community particularly helping in
No native Vorbis support... (Score:4, Interesting)
The spec says "Music playback file formats: .wav, .mp3, .AAC, .eAAC, .wma, .m4a"
Being Linux-based, I suppose it would not be too hard to hack it to support Ogg Vorbis. It's however rather annoying that such support is still not provided by default...
Re:No native Vorbis support... (Score:4, Informative)
Given this looks like a major upgrade from the existing Nokia tablets, this link [maemo.org] might fill in the gap
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My thoughts exactly! It's a Linux based phone for crying out loud. Why not support open codecs? Out of the box?!
I'm going to get an iRiver player just to support the fact that they support Vorbis formats.
I believe that Maemo uses GStreamer, so horror of horrors, you might need to install a package to provide Ogg support!
Oh wait, that would be absolutely unthinkable. Nokia are totally evil to not install the appropriate GStreamer backend by default. You would be much better taking your money elsewhere. </sarcasm>
Supported Media Formats... (Score:2)
I'm a bit surprised that "Maemo media player" does not list Ogg Vorbis or Theora as supported formats...
I assume there are add-on packages that do support them, but it seems like an odd omission for a Linux-based platform that's been around plenty long enough to have developed support for legally-free codecs.
(I still want one...)
Re:Supported Media Formats... (Score:4, Interesting)
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However, gstreamer's plugin-based, so it should eventually be possible to find community support for the standard.
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Surprised? You need to keep up on your geek news.
This is a NOKIA phone. Nokia is one of the two main companies that objected to OGG formats (vorbis & theora) being specified in the HTML5 spec. They aren't fully confident about the patent situation regarding OGG.
FM "Transmitter"? (Score:2)
Connectivity
* 3.5mm AV connector
* TV out (PAL/NTSC) with Nokia Video Connectivity Cable
* Micro-USB connector, High-Speed USB 2.0
* Bluetooth v2.1 including support for stereo headsets
* Integrated FM transmitter
* Integrated GPS with A-GPS
I'm sure they mean receiver, from the other pieces I've read, but I still wonder if they have low-wattage TX capability for hands-free calls, a'la iPod transmitter for use in the car, the john, or other places where an FM receiver and speakers are available.
Re:FM "Transmitter"? (Score:5, Informative)
It's a low-powered FM transmitter, so that you can use it to play music over your in-car stereo without needing an interface cable.
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You appear to have made a post that is not about OGG Vorbis support, although it should have been clear to you, based on the three previous posts and the time at which you posted, that your obligation was to make such a post, in as redundant a manner as possible.
Thank you,
The Management
OGG over FM? (Score:3, Interesting)
Since we have clarified that there is indeed an FM transmitter, and that OGG format is available, does this mean that I can now broadcast a Truly Free (TM) radio station of my own design to any listeners within 4 meters?
Can we now, thanks to Nokia, create a new HAM radio scene, operating on Free (TM) Codecs over public wavelengths?
The return of Slow-Scan, via 5MP Carl Zeiss (TM) optics and WLAN?
I want to use OGG format for my audio, because I identify OGG and its apparent lack of mainstream support with all
Resolution (Score:5, Insightful)
No one here ever mentions resolution as a feature on phone screens, and they should. I have eyesight just good enough to pass the DMV tests without corrective lenses and that's sufficient for my old iPhone's 320x480 screen to be painful for me in comparison to the 640x480 screen on my new phone. I can read significantly smaller text, meaning I can see much larger chunks of real web pages, on the higher resolution screen.
The N900 described in TFA has an 800x480 resolution. That should get people very excited!
N900 = N810 with GSM + smaller screen (Score:5, Interesting)
Fixes gripes about n810 (Score:4, Informative)
The n810 is great, except when you need to make a (non-skype) phone call.
The new keyboard looks good, although it will take me another 9 months to adjust to the new key layout.
The black plastic finish should take more of a beating (drops, in particular) compared to the metal finish of the current unit, but Man! It looks so thick! http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/23639-Nokia-N810-vs-N97-vs-Nokia-N900 [sizeasy.com]
The diplay appears to be the same, which is great, unless you're viewing through polarized lenses. The biggest complaint I have with the n810 display is the PDA-class GPU. The PowerVR chip should turn things around. Is it the same core as in iPhone?
Good to see the stand present on the rear.
Alert me when the price & demand drop so I can pick one up for $250.
I'll say this again (Score:2)
UMA support? (Score:3, Interesting)
Skype is not the win imo
T-Mobile supports UMA pretty well
Now they are getting somewhere.. (Score:2)
I own an N800 and this thing is a huge improvement compared to it and the N810. The keyboard is not new, but there are features that are just making this thing right:
1., It's a phone. How much I which the N800 would have that. It's an actual phone!
2., They added a very good camera, but no video conferencing, which is smart. Skype video conferencing still does not work on Linux (yay, closed source software) and the early tries to make video conferencing work just went horribly wrong (they closed the video co
Virtual memory on a phone's flash... (Score:3, Interesting)
The product page says it has 256MB of physical RAM, and 1GB virtual...
Using virtual memory on a phone's flash storage strikes me as questionable. There have to be reasons that the iPhone/Pre/Android don't do that.
Isn't all the swapping going to wear out your flash pretty fast? And, assuming this thing only has one or two flash chips like most phones, and therefore can't bond a bunch of channels together with a fancy controller for speed like a SSD, isn't it going to be really slow?
Do the previous Mameo devices do this? If so, how does it work.
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I have the N770 with only 128mg RAM, I get by very well and have not wore out my 1 gig flash by all that swapping. The apps are not from win32land, they are quite well suited to low memory. What the N770 lacks is CPU and the N900 delivers 600mhz (read: I am jealous!!). These Internet Tablets are very well designed and each revision is greatly improved. I am very happy to see a new model as I was worried that Nokia was throwing in the towel on Maemo, which is another great asset for this line.
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It's a mobile internet device that does telephony, not a phone. Phone capability is quite low on their feature list! And yes, it supports wifi..
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I could be wrong, but I think it has Wi-Fi. Looking at the link provided by the summary:
Re:WiFi? (Score:4, Informative)
It does. "WLAN" - from the site:
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Yep, 1 million hits in 50 minutes will tend to do that.
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Thanks for obseleting my N97
If you're mad that they've released something better, that just doesn't make sense. Should companies stop releasing newer, better products because this would mean existing customers are getting "screwed"? It's not like your current device is any worse than it was before the announcement, you know.
I bought an N97 expecting it to be THIS phone.
If you're angry that you bought the N97 expecting it to do things that it actually cannot do... then, um... shouldn't you be mad at yourself for not properly researching the
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The Symbian software marketplace dwarfs the Maemo marketplace, which to date seems to be mostly open source apps (in line with the audience of the N770/800/810, which was mostly Linux geeks). And new versions of the firmware are still being released [allaboutsymbian.com] - with more major releases due in Sep/Oct.
Is it really fair to say it has no future?
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There is a fixed-point version of the Vorbis codec called Tremor. Floating point is nice but not required.
My piddly little iRiver T20 plays OGG just fine, and it's about 4 years old and runs off a single 900 mAh AAA battery for many hours. This has a 1320 mAh battery and processors that must be several generations better in terms of power consumption.
If you really needed floating point, you could probably leverage the integrated GPU anyway.
Re:No OGG Vorbis support (Score:5, Informative)
Look again (Score:3, Informative)
Maemo 5 aka Freemantle: http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/ [wordpress.com]
Official Nokia Site: http://maemo.nokia.com/ [nokia.com]
Developer's Guide: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide [maemo.org]
Forums: http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=40 [maemo.org]