EVE Online Coming to Linux, Mac OS X

An anonymous reader writes "Linuxlookup.com is reporting that CCP today announced a partnership with TransGaming to bring EVE Online to Linux and Mac platforms starting later this year. From the article: '"EVE Online has always ranked highly with our Linux users and there is significant demand for it among other platforms, including the rapidly growing Mac base," said Vikas Gupta, CEO of TransGaming Technologies. "As EVE takes place within a single-server persistent universe, it's vital that the game is identical in every way across different platforms. This challenge is what makes the partnership with CCP both important and rewarding."'

Well then

[Necreia]

It seems I'll be comming to Eve then.

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[19thNervousBreakdown]

Ditto. I always get into MMOs, only to leave two months later when I realize that you can't win and it'll be three years before I even become a force to be reckoned with at the rate I play. Eve looks at least a little different though, with their real-time skill upgrades. I already own a copy of the game; it was the very last one I tried before removing Windows from my house forever. I only got to play it for about two weeks before removing the micro-shaft from my butt, but it seemed cool, just not cool eno

Re:Well then (why we quit MMORPGs)

[WillAffleckUW]

I always get into MMOs, only to leave two months later when I realize that you can't win and it'll be three years before I even become a force to be reckoned with at the rate I play

You just need to go fishing in Mulgore and catch a 12 pound fish and hold it in your off hand, get a Lucky Stone (they are grey), and a Rabbits Foot.

Then you'll find it easy.

Real-time skill upgrades

[Lonewolf666]

Here's a data point for you:

My main char (allrounder with some bias towards industry) is about 9 months old and
-a fairly good Drake pilot
-pretty good at producing standard stuff aka Tech 1
-has recently acquired the skills to invent and build some Tech II items, where profits are much higher :-)

I consider myself a semi-casual player, and while I make not as much ISK as our hardcore mission runners, it is sufficient to buy the toys I want to play with.
So when the Linux version comes out, I guess it is worth a

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[theMerovingian]

Eve's main "innovation" as an MMO: it takes three years to become a force to be reckoned with, REGARDLESS of how much you play.

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[nschubach]

That's pretty much what turned me off. The time based skill up. No matter how much you play, you can only increase skills at a predetermined pace. Your play time is spent trying to make money to buy things that you won't be able to afford later.

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[buffer-overflowed]

Well it depends on what you want to do. You can be useful in PvP within a few days from start, or be able to fly a hulk(top-tier mining barge) within two months, an inty in a few weeks, a ratting raven in a month.

I don't like that there's basically no way to catch up, but meh, it's not a horrible game for it.

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[Shadowplay00]

One issue with Eve is high sec griefer corps (read Repo Industries and the like) who spend their time in high sec trying to war dec low SP players. My corp luckily got in a low sec alliance and handed their arses to them, but this kind of action does turn people off the game (these kind of people get -5 sec deductutions from admins).

Could someone please translate this to English? Thanks!

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[Alzheimers]

I'll do my best:

One issue with Eve is teams of people who hang out in the safer* areas of the universe (such as a gang called Repo Industries) who spend their time in these safer* areas using an an-game mechanic to, for a fee, declare war against other groups of players who would otherwise be protected by the police in the area, simply for the fun of ruining someone else's day, and usually target new players who can't defend themselves properly. My team was fortunate to have been accepted by a group of ot

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Fascinating!

[seebs]

I think it'll work well for them. I know at least 4-6 people who have WoW only because it has a Mac port, even though only one of them got WoW to actually play it on a Mac.

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[Greyfox]

WoW runs fine on a Mac. The shitty ATI 1900 in my Macpro desktop overheats and crashes the system pretty consistently though. I'm upgrading to the Nvidia card which will hopefully allow me to play the game without turning the system fans up to maximum. Some people might consider the Nvidia a downgrade but 1) It's not ATI and 2) If it lets me push 3D without crashing the system or forcing me to turn my system fans up so high that I risk permanent damage to my hearing then it's a upgrade in my book.

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[seebs]

Yeah, I've been quite happy with it; I actually got a macbook pro recently, and it's replaced my Windows box for WoW.

But the reason we got WoW, and not one of the others, was that my spouse had an iBook. So, we both got WoW, then I got a second account, and our roommate got one, and a friend got one... All because we wanted an MMO that my spouse could play too.

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[njfuzzy]

Not to be pedantic, but isn't spouse the general term? Since you only have one, there's no need to conceptualize it. Is it a wife or a husband, or are you intentionally keeping your (or their) gender mum?

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[seebs]

It's sort of a social experiment. It is fascinating how many people become upset if they can't tell, despite the very low probability that it will ever become any of their business.

Does it matter? Ever? Are you going to be providing either of us with medical care? Do you plan to have sex with one or more of us? If not, how can it possibly matter?

And yet, people always ask. I find this fascinating, so I keep doing it.

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[njfuzzy]

You may be misreading those of us who comment. I am not upset, I'm merely confused by the misuse of language.

The word spouse is meant to refer to a case where the gender is ambiguous, such as general cases like "People tend to spend more time with their spouses than their siblings." If I use any such term, when there is a specific term available, it's strange-- For instance, I don't talk about my "sibling", my "parent", etc. when I know which individual I am talking about, as "brother" or "mother" are clea

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[seebs]

Yes, but what's interesting is that people seem to feel it's important to find out which term applies. People sometimes get downright obsessive; I've had forum staff demand that I tell them which specific word applies.

It's not that I think people mind the experiment; just that they seem to be very uncomfortable not knowing. There was research done in which people were asked to hold a baby with a name like "Pat" or "Sam". Many of them looked in the diapers rather than stumble over pronouns...

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[njfuzzy]

One might argue that language, and the narrow classifications that it demands of us, are inherent to the manner of thinking that separates humans from animals, for ill or good. If we can name something, we can think about it in shorthand, and that allows our thought processes to flow more smoothly. Personally, I don't care about your gender, or that of your spouse-- it just bugs me that you go out of your way not to say it.

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[seebs]

It's not really very far out of my way. "spouse" is no longer or more complicated than "wife" or "husband".

Wouldn't the "smooth" flow imply "preconceived notions" which might well be wrong? Perhaps it's better for thoughts to flow a tad more roughly...

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[muridae]

I don't know that 'uncomfortable not knowing' is the right concept either. With a baby, there are not many cues to tell the person what pronoun to use, and I suspect they are more uncomfortable getting it wrong by mistake and, in their own perception, possibly offending the parent. There seems to be huge social pressure to not insult a person's child. If a person doesn't know the pronoun to use, they either stumble over the name they are given, using that instead, or just pick one. They can't pick one rando

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[Hardhead_7]

> It's sort of a social experiment. It is fascinating how many people become
> upset if they can't tell, despite the very low probability that it will
> ever become any of their business.

I don't really think he was upset. He just asked why you were using a generic term when you (we hope!) knew the more specific term, which would have been expected.

You state that you're doing it, essentially, so see how often people will ask, so you're aware it's an odd turn of phrase. Your answer as to wh

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[seebs]

Well, it's not that I want them to ask. I just want to see what they do. If they ask, I want to know why.

I haven't been able to figure out why people care. It never occurred to me to care whether people I knew online were male or female; the number of people whose sex or gender I've cared about in my life is solidly under a dozen. If I'm not planning to have sex with them, why should I care?

(Disclaimer: Yes, I have an actual diagnosis of autism from a real doctor. I suspect this may be one of those th

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[mhall119]

Personally I was more thrown by the fact that you have a spouse AND a roommate.

If you ever end up in bed with me, I'll happily answer relevant questions at that time.

But I guess that may explain it to some extent.

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[alexgieg]

What I've found is that, in general, it turns out that mostly people are trying to apply stereotypes, and they apply the stereotypes that fit their expectations.

Oh, but you don't avoid it yourself. When you say "my spouse", and not "this spouse of mine" (with can mean one or more), you're implying a very specific social construct: monogamy. You're making very clear you have only, and only one, spouse. Sure, that doesn't mean you don't have additional "lovers", but even so, only one person ends up being the

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[seebs]

Actually, spouse doesn't necessarily imply only-one. It usually does, but not always. I have more than one roommate; I don't have to specify. Similarly, I have more than one friend (and yet I post to slashdot, go figure), but I'll say something like "my friend told me that..."

So there isn't even a strict implication there.

(And to the person shocked by the spouse/roommate thing: We have two roommates. It's cost-effective.)

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[sanosuke76]

Heh, my mom's freaked out by the fact my fiance and I don't plan on kicking out my roomie once we get married. It seems that folks have this idea that as soon as you get married, you immediately either gain access to some sort of money tree and living cheaply no longer applies.

Oh, to clarify: I'm male, my fiance's female, my roomie's male, and there's a cavity on the underside of my pet turtle's shell which diagnoses it as a male. And I don't expect anyone to try to have sex with any of the above (well, o

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[malf-uk]

You're missing an 'e' there then. 'Fiancé' is masculine; 'fiancée' is feminine.

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[sanosuke76]

Wow. That's pretty interesting in and of itself. Everyone I remember reading on the internet spells fiance the same way for both genders, and this is the first I've personally been corrected on it. I'll be careful of that in the future - I just find it amazing that, among all the spelling and grammar nazis on the various forums I'm on, neither I nor anyone I've seen use fiance as a dual gender word has been called on it. Sounds like a whole new world of grammar nazi'age just opened up...

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[malf-uk]

Well it's a rather common mistake. Thankfully it's one you can get away with in speech!

I tend not to correct people's language*, but as it was a discussion regarding gender it was far too tempting to point out that this word changes according to gender.

* except for the occasional bricks through the window of shops that use greengrocers' apostrophes [wikipedia.org].

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[Draek]

Does your or your spouse's sex matter in online discussions? no, not really. Does the reason why you try to hide it matter in online discussions? no, not really. Does the history behind your username matter in online discussions? no, not really. Does the OS+Browser combo you used to post that message matter in online discussions? no, not really.

But yet we ask, because we're curious. As the saying goes, "Curiosity is the mother of invention", so don't blame us, being geeks we're even more curious than your a

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[nschubach]

Well, to add to your experiment results...

I only found it odd (that you put it the way you did) because someone else pointed it out. (The same applies for the use of "we" instead of "all of us")

If it truly is an experiment, it's been spoiled by one of your subjects for all of your subject.

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[rkanodia]

A few years back, a former boss of mine died in a helicopter crash. The story ran on slashdot, because the passenger he was carrying was a Linux kernel hacker. There were a plethora of homophobic posts about how he was a 'faggot' and so forth - because he referred to his 'partner' on his website, which hadn't been taken offline at the time. As it turns out, his partner was a woman, but that didn't stop the trolls. Not that I support homophobic trolls, but in this case they weren't even directed at a hom

Re:Fascinating!

[Maury Markowitz]

> The shitty ATI 1900 in my Macpro desktop overheats
> and crashes the system pretty consistently though.

File a bug report! Apple is convinced I'm the only one having this problem! The OS simply isn't listening to the temperature in the PCI bay and correct for it properly. Making matters worse, the OS doesn't look at the temperature from the card itself at all.

And to actually "fix" it, go get a copy of smcFanControl. Make a setting called "Gaming" and crank the PCI bay fan to about 900-1200. Presto, the problem is gone. Unfortunately this sets the _lower_ speed of the fans only, so the noise level goes up even in idle.

But to put this in perspective, I can run WoW and Halo all day long completely maxed out at 2560 x 1600 without any problems. And when I'm not playing, I simply reset the fans to Default.

Maury

Re:Fascinating!

[Greyfox]

It seems to get worse over time, and I'm pretty sure it's not the PCI bay temperature that's the problem. It ran fine with slightly higher fans for a month or two, then it started overheating again. It eventually gets to the point where even with the fans at max it was crashing 3-4 times a day. At that point I ordered a third party VGA cooler with heat pipes. It still requires the fans to run at max but it's not crashing anymore.

I suspect that the problem here may be at least partially seasonal. I don't have AC at my place and it can get up to 90 or so on the hottest days (It's so dry here it's not particularly uncomfortable.) Now that we're getting the cooler fall temperatures again I'm seeing that it's a lot more stable.

If you look on the WoW support forums though, you'll see that this problem is not limited to just you or me. There are pages full of people having the same exact video and crashing issues that I was seeing. If you talk to the WoW mac support guys about the problem, the first thing they'll suggest is that your system is overheating. These are NOT isolated incidents. If Apple still thinks they are, it's because their problem tracking system is woefully deficient.

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[myowntrueself]

Its incredible that there are so many problems on the Mac Pro...

My partner plays WoW on a Mac *Mini* and has no problems whatsoever... :-\

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[Fatal Darkness]

Apple is currently replacing these cards.
There is a thread [worldofwarcraft.com] on the WoW support forums discussing this.

This problem is not unique to the cards from Apple or to the Mac Pro. I purchased the ATI x1900 G5 edition for my PowerMac G5 directly from ATI and ran into the exact same problem. Unfortunately there is no SMCFanControl for PPC Macs.

Mac Pro owners who have the luxury of going through Apple for their replacement cards should consider themselves lucky, as unlike ATI/AMD Apple actually cares about their custo

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[seebs]

I was trying to figure out your comment, until someone else made it clearer.

You misread me. I didn't say it didn't run; I just observed that only one of my immediate group of people was even TRYING to run on a Mac.

"got WoW to actually play it on a Mac" is not the same as "got WoW to run on a Mac". The first is a statement of intent, the second one of technical compatibility.

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[Greyfox]

Oh right. I misunderstood too.

I got my Mac first. I got WoW because it plays on my Mac. My choice of what (if any) games I play is dictated by the platform I'm currently on, not the other way around. If WoW didn't run on my Mac or if they dropped support for the Mac, I would not play WoW. If some other game I was interested in added support for the Mac I would check them out.

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[seebs]

Yeah, I'm sorta the same way. I mean, I will get machines just to play games -- see also "consoles". But really, I wasn't about to start supporting artists on Windows machines, so I just picked something that could work on a Mac so I wouldn't have to.

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[njfuzzy]

It's not accurate to call the Mac WoW client a "port", I'd say. The release was simultaneous, like all Blizzard releases since they were a "Mac-first, then Windows port" company.

I suspect that the cross-platform nature of WoW helped them get off to a good start. It's just the kind of game Mac users hunger for, and knowing that all of your friends could play at the same time was appealing. Sometimes I wonder if that wasn't actually the special sauce for WoW's success.

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[juuri]

Definitely calling the WoW Mac client a port is incorrect. The Mac version actually has more features (iTunes support built in) currently. The next major client release (for 2.2) adds video recording/encoding to the Mac client, this is still a ways off on the PC side.

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[elrous0]

knowing that all of your friends could play at the same time was appealing

Actually, it's precisely because I like to play with friends that I *DON'T* play WoW. Moving between servers on WoW is a pain in the ass. If your friend is on one server and you're on another, you're SOL unless you create a whole new character. I play Guild Wars because it's pretty much seamless to move between servers, even foreign ones (literally, you use a drop-down menu to move your character around to any server at any time).

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[NotWorkSafe]

You can pay a fee to move a character (depending on server; I know you can't move a PVE character to a PVP server) to another server. I think the fee is like $12 USD or so.

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[elrous0]

Yeah, but paying $12 for a single server move and switching back and forth between servers several times each night to buy stuff, play with friends, etc. for free are FUNDAMENTALLY different beasts. I didn't say it was impossible to change servers in WoW, only that it was a pain in the ass compared to something as easy (and free) as Guild Wars.

WoW under Linux

[zoward]

I've been playing WoW using Wine under Ubuntu Feisty (Linux) for about the last six months or so. Runs like a champ, sound works, smooth framerate on an nVidia 6600. It required surprisingly little tweaking to get running.

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[seebs]

Agreed. I actually switched from Windows to Wine because, except for some sound quirks, it ran dramatically better on the same hardware.

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[necro2607]

Nice FUD disguised as friendly conversation... I have WoW running no problem on both [recent] Macs I own, an iBook G4 1.2ghz and a Mac Mini intel Core Solo 1.5ghz. In fact, to even further contrast your post, WoW had less problems (aka none) on those computers than it did when I installed it on my new $1500 Windows machine I had built for gaming. ...

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[seebs]

I think you misread my post.

I didn't say that only one person was able to make WoW run. I said that only one person got WoW with intent to run it on a Mac.

The rest of us were Windows and Linux users -- who wanted to play online with the Mac user.

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[toriver]

Nah, EVE is a spreadsheet with a purty animated background. And some icons. Runs fine on practically anything. Except in large battles. And there are... non-technical... issues... aw, just google it.

Hurrah!

[Funkcikle]

This is excellent news. Truly this will be the best 2003 ever!

So what?

[sinner6]

The mac version of Eve was reported as in development as far back as March but as of yet no offical statements. http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/03/09/eve/index.php [macworld.com] And people ALREADY run Eve on linux using Cedega. Running Eve on linux is nothing new, people have been doing it for at least 9 months, maybe more. Nice of slashdot to pick up a PR statement.

At least they're trying.

[SanityInAnarchy]

If they actually do release a Linux port, even if it's only using a Wine wrapper, I call it a win.

At least they're paying attention. And maybe next time, they'll develop native cross-platform with SDL or something.

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[pieaholicx]

Shouldn't really need a wine wrapper. As far as I'm aware it's mostly written in Python, so going native shouldn't be a really massive undertaking (read: it won't take years).

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[Breakfast Pants]

The server is mostly written in python, not the client (though it does have some python). They aren't talking about the server here.

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[mounthood]

Interesting that they are staying with DX and doing a port. They just re-wrote the client because the graphics were getting dated. http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=493 [eve-online.com]

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[nschubach]

I think it has to do with ease of adding that "nifty" effect. I'm not terribly familiar with both OpenGL and DX, but I think it's easier to do the "higher-end" looking stuff in DX than it is in OpenGL. I might be wrong on this (and I'm probably talking out my ass so I don't even know why I'm posting except to get a clarification on this), but I think DX is to CISC, as OpenGL is to RISC. DX has a load of features that you simply invoke and the language takes over while OpenGL requires a few more steps to

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[SanityInAnarchy]

Otherwise, they'd sink tons of money into a port that only a small number of subscribers will be using.

Or, they could simply design it properly to begin with, and porting would be close to as simple as a recompile. I'd also argue that truly portable code is likely to have less bugs.

They're also porting this to the Mac, which seems to be a good enough platform for Warcraft.

Eve isn't free (as in beer), you have to pay a monthly fee, btw, which will prevent many Linuxalots from playing.

You know, I kind of

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[nschubach]

Very true. I have no problem buying a game that I know will run on Linux natively. I think that's a very bad stereotype or some kind of strange urban myth that in order to survive on Linux, it must be free.

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[ATravelingGeek]

Eve also runs (almost) perfectly in CrossOver for OS X right now.

wine

[oliverthered]

But doesn't eve already run under wine for free?

No.

[C10H14N2]

WoW works okay, but EVE does not, sadly.

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[Scutter]

But doesn't eve already run under wine for free?

Not well. And if you want to do multi-monitor, it's a major PITA to get working.

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[paleo2002]

The same argument can be made for Mac users running Windows via Boot Camp. But, native software has a tendency to be more stable and be optimized for the hardware.

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[Jugalator]

Not that this article is saying that it'll run natively.

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[MBGMorden]

Wine is usually a pretty piss-poor substitute for a native port. Yeah a lot of stuff "works", but with little graphical glitches, significantly impacted performance, and an unexplained crashes. A lot of people play WoW on Wine too, and I did install it and get it working. Run around Ironforge for a few minutes, flew to WPL and played there for about and hour before just deciding that it wasn't worth it. The experience wasn't the same. Like taking a rusted out old Corvette with flat tired and plastic ov

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[Gogo0]

I partially agree that "porting" games with wine sucks, but if they heavily tweaked wine to run the game perfectly and then wrapped it all up into one binary -whats the problem? Releasing a half-assed version with graphical glitches and problems wouldnt be an option, considering this is a product they want to sell, so its a good bet that it'll be better than your average plays-mostly-everything wine install.

Side-note: i would certainly prefer things be ported properly, but if devs can tweak wine easily e

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[oliverthered]

This probably isn't going to be a native port if transgaming is doing it.

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[Maury Markowitz]

I never got it to work. Admittedly I didn't try THAT hard, but my experience is generally it works or it doesn't, so when it doesn't I basically throw in the towel.

Wha?

[Kantara]

Between this, ArsTechnica's report on Guitar Hero III Coming-to-PC and Macs via Aspyr [arstechnica.com], GameTap, and EA following through with their game announcements, It's finally looking 'not bad' for Mac gaming this year. I truly thought that Cider [transgaming.com] was a bunch of hooey, but it seems to be doing well.

Test hasn't started...

[sykopomp]

I'm actually signed up for testing this client. For those of you who don't realize this yet, the client they're releasing for linux and mac is actually just the windows client wrapped up with Cedega and Cider, respectively. There won't be much difference between the the performance for those that run it under Wine/Cedega and those that run it with this upcoming client. The biggest advantage, though, is official support (which Cedega has basically had for a while, now... no big change here). The news are not as big as this article makes it seem... Also, it'll be a little while before the official client is released. They've been taking forever to keep us up to date, sending one e-mail every two weeks or so with no real updates on the matter besides some examples of what we might be testing. They haven't even decided what the final list of testers is, even. Ah well, I guess something's something... and I think at least OSX users will be really thankful for this development.

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[hollywoodb]

It might just be EVE, but I used to run EVE under Cedega and Wine at different points, even as recently as four months ago.

Performance was terrible. I mean really truly terrible. Now my system isn't top of the line, but if it can run Doom 3 (native) at near-full detail it should be able to run EVE as well.

This is not news. Give me a native client that performs worth a damn and I'll reinstate my subscription.

I, for one...

[eugenewithanaxe]

welcome our new interstellar overlords! Seriously, I just installed Eve on my bootcamp partition. Though it would be nice to not reboot, or worse, use Parallels (BSOD w/VMWare Fusion when starting game), I don't see what the big deal is. Gimme a native port, and I will celebrate. Still, this is one step in the right direction.

Cross Platform Future?

[p0tat03]

With companies seemingly jumping aboard the Mac gaming wagon (great for a Mac user like myself), I wonder if Cider will become a stopgap, or the future. On the one hand, the recent move towards Macs is obviously because publishers feel the Mac market is now worth capturing, but at the same time will companies continue to rely on the crutch that is Cider far into the future, or will developers shift towards developing for both platforms natively?

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[jmauro]

It's the future since it's the path of least resistance for creating Mac Games, as sad as that is.

Where's the post on Vendetta Online?

[Qbertino]

Where's the Article on Vendetta Online [vendetta-online.com]? Their employees don't cheat, and they've had a Linux (even a seperate one for AMD 64 bit) and Mac client from the very beginning. And they are a small independant gaming company that actually deserve some attention for their very neat Space MMORPG.

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[rabbit994]

Because fun of EvE is the sandbox gameplay (debatable with all the developers lately) which Vendetta doesn't seem to be offering.

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[happyemoticon]

It's still the closest thing to a real sandbox out there that I've seen.

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[rwa2]

I haven't even been able to google a good EVE vs. Vendetta article. Most of the Vendetta players I've talked too say it's better than EVE, but none of the EVE players I've talked to have even heard of Vendetta :P

I've played through the trials of both somewhat recently, so here's my quick synopsis:

EVE has nicer graphics and a good business & economy simulation. I'm a bit disappointed with lack of realism. There's no collision damage (in fact you can fly right through most objects such as ships and sta

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[Ornedan]

Kind of offtopic, but, if you want pretty realistic physics in a space sim, try the I-War games. The second one is pretty free-from, especially after you add some mods. Vega Strike and some of it's derivatives also use a Newtonian flight model, but they are still somewhat work-in-progress.

http://www.i-war2.com/ [i-war2.com]
http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

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[myowntrueself]

L. Neither has very realistic physics... haven't seen much improvement in that in video games since Wing Commander.

You know, I was thinking of making a similar comparison between Wing Commander the movie and Phantom Menace.

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[Zeussy]

You maybe after realistic physics, but it sometimes makes me laugh too. Realism != fun (most of the time). If in EvE you had to fly to a planet, get into orbit, match orbits with the station, approach it, properly match velocities, pilot into the docking bay. You would get pretty sick of it by your 5th go. That's why in my opinion the players should be kept away from game design, as the majority do not have a clue. I have had a couple of conversions with friends along these lines

Wouldn't it be cool if you

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[Alcyoneus]

I liked Vendetta Online. I thoroughly disliked EVE Online.

EVE is an MMO which has been won by BoB and MC. I don't know if they had benefit of cheating devs or not. If they did, shame on them. If they didn't, congratulations to them for achieving total dominance.

But either way, the game is won. If you are in BoB or MC, then you win. If you aren't, you lose. Period.

Find another game in which the outcome is up for grabs. Porting the game doesn't change anything.

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[will_frag_for_food]

EVE is by no means 'won' or 'over'... you might do well to familiarize yourself with the changes introduced in the last major past (which, btw, does not require additional funding on top of the monthly fee).

The more complex processes required to take and defend territory have forced BoB onto the defensive (as there is no way they could instantly develop and defend all of the territory they previously laid claim to) and there is a lot of room for other corporations (EVE's version of the guild) and alliances

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[Mentorix]

Never heard of vendetta online. I have played eve for around 4 years now though, and while bob and mc are powerful they are just alliances like any other. Kinda sad that the tinfoilhatters keep making stuff up and then pretend it's real. It's like dealing with creationists ffs. Big colourful rhetoric but rather short on actual evidence for their assertions.

Disclaimer: I've flown with and against both bob and mc (and countless other (more) interesting entities in EVE).

awesome

[Is0m0rph]

Now Mac and Linux users can experience a corrupt game make sure you get in THE corporation that company plays for.

Cedega / Wine

[Sparr0]

I played EVE for a few months under [not-]emulation. I would probably give the game another try if they released a native Linux client. That is the only reason I started playing Second Life again.

hmmm..

[pjr.cc]

Its a mixed bag really. I'm really not a huge fan of cedega at all and never have been. It would have been nice if they'd said to the eve community "you want a linux port, heres what we need coded" and see how that went. Eve already does run under wine thanks to a number of very useful eve community guys (have a look at the wine db entries for eve).

But still, its a step in the right direction and I wont complain - on the contrary, I will love CCP to bits for it (being an already-active long-time eve player

And here I got my hopes up...

[d0rp]

I thought this was finally the announcement that they were done with the linux and mac clients.

I first heard about this back in April when I was still using Linux on my gaming machine (I've since put winXP on it because I was growing irritated with the performance of WoW and how every patch for both WoW and EVE was like a coin toss whether or not it would bork the whole game).

I'm still excited about the new EVE client though, even if it is just in a wine/cedega wrapper, because then it (probably) won't

Great

[popo]

Now Linux and Mac users can experience a completely unfair game-world full of cheaters and insanely boring gameplay sprinkled with moments of outrage.

Have fun kids.

Future tech MMORPG/RPGs out there?

[kiberovca]

Since Eve has been the topic here...

I was wondering for a while now, is somewhere out there an futuristic MMORPG of some kind, be it Fallout lookalike or just plain guns, or/and cyborgs and stuff...? Where there are no superpowers, no spells, no psyonics...

I'm getting tired of "cast a spell, drink a potion, kill a goblin and save the damsel while wearing green tights and unhygienic underwear and pretending that middle ages have never ended" RPGs of all kinds that have been regurgurated for decades now.

I'

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[Knara]

Tabula Rasa

Eve

[brkello]

It always surprises me Eve is trying to get more people to play their game. Obviously, it makes sense from a business standpoint...but every time I go back and try it out they have incredible lag problem due to their shard being over-populated. At a certain point you have to say...yeah, it's really cool we can say that we have the most people in a single universe, but maybe we should have another one so that the play experience is better and stop leaving large warfare battles to random chance of which sid

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[Knara]

The fact of the matter is that most people who play the game quit fairly early because you can't zoom through the skill progression (that and the "mmo spreadsheet" factor of it, which never bugged me that much). So, they get a cash boost from people who subscribe but don't end up playing for whatever amount of time they subscribed for (which CCP hopes is 2 weeks of a 6 month subscription, I'm sure).

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[brkello]

Yeah, I didn't mind the skill system or the complexity (though, I really didn't think it was all that complex, just more of a clunky UI than anything). Other than the lag, my main problem was that Eve is one of those MMOs you really have to dedicate yourself to to get in to it. I tend to have less time these days (and patience) to give games as I like to balance my life with other stuff.

I think you are right that they just hope people subscribe and don't play (the whole I am leveling while I am not playi

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[Synic]

It does work under the (somewhat) recent release of Cedega (6.0) though.

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[Alzheimers]

There's really only two situations in EvE where you experience intolerable lag. One is fleet battles, which isn't an issue for the majority of casual players since they're not likely to be involved in a 300 v 300 slideshow if they've chosen a profession like mining or trading or even pirating. If you do decide to join a huge alliance, there are other ways to help out your team besides being a meatshield on the front lines. Jump in a covert ops ship (a smaller ship with an invisibility cloak) and scout, o

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[WuphonsReach]

There's no logical explanation for the Jita clusterfcuk other than people are lazy.

I can give you two:

1) CCP still has mission agents stationed in the Jita system. Which means you have mission runners mixed in with all the trade hub customers. Those agents should've been moved out to the surrounding systems back in the spring when they attempted to "fix" Jita.

2) CCP still hasn't stopped mission agents in the surrounding systems from sending you to Jita to run a combat mission. Nothing like a missi

Eve on Linux

[mknewman]

Now, if they would only move the servers to Linux or Unix they'd be in good shape. 2 crashes yesterday. Marc

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[cbhacking]

I'd like to sympathize, but do you realize you're talking about commercial software that was released initially for a single OS on a single hardware infrastructure? EVE Online already works (mostly, and often only for every 3rd or 4th revision) on Wine, which at least works across all Unix-like OSes I know of (though still only for a single architecture). Turning that into a supported product (by the company that employs the primary Wine devs) isn't that big of a deal. Asking them to port the entire flippin