Ubuntu Feisty Fawn Released 590
Lots of readers told us about the official release of Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn (screenshots here for Ubuntu and Kubuntu). Some readers report that the distribution servers are being hammered. Here is a review of Feisty Fawn. Reader LinuxScribe sends us to LinuxPlanet for the story on a pleasant Java surprise in the release.
Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Informative)
Go ahead, take our bandwidth
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Informative)
Let's not forget The Pirate Bay, people. They've had this up since 03:00 UTC.
The
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Funny)
They got all stroppy and took it down immediately.
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Informative)
http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ [ubuntu.com]
Also, here are the torrents:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-alter
http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-alter
http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-deskt
http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-deskt
http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-serve
http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-serve
http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-serve
No PPC releases at the moment, though.
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:4, Informative)
Now I'm installing it as I speak, and it's nearly done.
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:4, Interesting)
Blizzard then has an http seed running. If the program determines that you are incapable of recieving a torrent (firewall or driver issues), then your entire download comes straight from blizzard's http seed. If the program is able to connect to the swarm, you then start recieving data down from the other people downloading the patch AS WELL as the blizzard seed. Likewise, if you connect a long time after the patch comes out and there is nobody left downloading the patch, you still get the data straight from blizzard without having to find the file in a different manner.
In this model you have basically a standard server/client relationship when only one person is downloading and it scales out to a p2p model as additional people connect.
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Informative)
http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu
http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu
http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu
http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu
MAGNET URI Torrent address (Score:5, Informative)
So....your mirrors are breaking. Yea! Bittorrent saves the day! Lets put the torrent file on the SAME SERVER that's currently melting down. That will fix it.
So your torrent servers don't get killed post the Magnet URI so that people can join the torrent independent of the accessibility of the
Here is the Ubuntu 7.04 i386 desktop
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:DMDDBZV4X4NWSEHVEBBZHSMFY4GHD
Note Slashdot has a problem with Magnet URI's there is NO space between the last K and XV
Re:MAGNET URI Torrent address (Score:4, Informative)
<URL:magnet:?xt=urn:btih:DMDDBZV4X4NWSEHVEBBZHSMF
(without the extra space of course) becomes
magnet:xturnbtihDMDDBZV4X4NWSEHVEBBZHSMFY4GHDKXV [magnet]
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Umm... Check your results.
Xubuntu torrents: (Score:3, Informative)
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.04/re lease/xubuntu-7.04-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com] - Alternate install CD for 64-bit PC (AMD64) computers
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.04/re lease/xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com] - Desktop CD for PC (Intel x86) computers
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.04/re lease/xubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386 [ubuntu.com]
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They haven't finished downloading yet but I've got bittorrent going on a 10Mbit connection for the following two disks [torrent links from the mirror posted above]:
Ubuntu Desktop i386 [indiana.edu]
Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [indiana.edu]
I'll leave them running for a day or two once they're finished downloading.
Official mailing list announcement (Score:3, Informative)
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Informative)
Please note that if you use Ubuntu now, you can update very easily, but don't use dist-upgrade. Instead:
Before you start
* You can only directly upgrade to Ubuntu 7.04 ("Feisty Fawn") from Ubuntu 6.10 ("Edgy Eft") (see UpgradeNotes)
* Be sure that you have all updates applied to Ubuntu 6.10 before you upgrade
* The latest version of Update Manager (0.45.2) must be installed before you upgrade. Otherwise, you will receive an Authentication failed error. See [WWW] here for instructions how to check if you have the required version.
Note: If you have a version of Ubuntu which was released before Ubuntu 6.10, please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/UpgradeFromOl
Network upgrade for Ubuntu desktops (recommended)
You can easily upgrade over the network with the following procedure.
1. Open System -> Administration -> Update Manager
2. A button on the top of the window will appear, informing you of the availability of the new release
3. Click Upgrade
4. Follow the on-screen instructions
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a gui to upgrade the distro version???
It seems that ubuntu is the first distro to really "just get it" when it comes to the desktop!
All hail the New Hope for Linux on the Desktop!
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Informative)
I've dipped into Linux many times (Since before CDs) but this is the first time I've installed it on all my computers.
Yesterday, in fact, I got windows XP running within Ubuntu (My current project requires it) and it was easy, free and very slick. This means I can convert my last remaining dual-boot computers (because of games, mostly) over to Linux.
I still run into things here and there that SHOULD just take 5 minutes but end up taking 2 hours of research, but much less often than with any other distro--and I haven't figured out how to get dual monitors working yet. Oh, and suspend/resume still doesn't work on any of the 3 laptops (I got my wife a MAC and the fact that suspend/resume always works, and does so quickly and smoothly makes me so jealous!)
Every install worked flawlessly in each laptop. CD's, floppies and USB drives are automatically mounted, all resolutions are available on the screens (even wide-screens), and even my wireless internal lan adapter just worked out of the box.
With the addition of Click And Go (I hope it's in this release) it'll be MUCH easier to acquire and install new software than it is in Windows.
If you are considering installing Linux for the first time, I advise you scan this page first--I use it all the time now. It gives you a great summary of what can be done and how to do it. Most "Tasks" are simply a few entries on the CLI now--and most installs can be done from a decent GUI as well (the guide uses CLI because it's easier to describe) http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy [ubuntuguide.org]
Oh, and hey--one complaint (more of an observation actually), for those of you who complain about how often you must enter the root password on a PC, take a look at that page and see how often "SUDO" (the Linux equivalent) is required. Holy cow, it's like every single time you want to call apt-get (in other words, any time you want to install ANYTHING), you have to give up the root password. I believe this means that all install scripts are running as root--I don't know if this is a security hole, but it sure sounds like one. This is the exact equivalent to every windows program install requiring administrator access--something they have at least recognized as a flaw and begun to combat.
But at any rate--seriously, it's now mainstream. Stick it on your grandma's computer. This from a Very Picky user.
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, and hey--one complaint (more of an observation actually), for those of you who complain about how often you must enter the root password on a PC, take a look at that page and see how often "SUDO" (the Linux equivalent) is required. Holy cow, it's like every single time you want to call apt-get (in other words, any time you want to install ANYTHING), you have to give up the root password. I believe this means that all install scripts are running as root--I don't know if this is a security hole, but it sure sounds like one.
First, a correction: sudo requires you to enter your own password, not the root password.
Requiring administrative/root privileges to install software is the whole point. You are installing programs that are to be used system-wide. You need root privileges (granted to you via sudo) to do that. It's not a security hole when implemented properly. The point is that, unlike many Windows desktop, you're not running with 'root' privileges all the time. This is exactly what most Windows XP desktops are doing. You never need to be prompted for a 'root'/admin password when doing that, because you're always admin! That's insecure.
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Requiring administrative/root privileges to install software is the whole point. You are installing programs that are to be used system-wide. You need root privileges (granted to you via sudo) to do that. It's not a security hole when implemented properly. The point is that, unlike many Windows desktop, you're not running with 'root' privileges all the time. This is exactly what most Windows XP desktops are doing. You never need to be prompted for a 'root'/admin password when doing that, because you're always admin! That's insecure.
I think Linux distros would benefit a lot from making it possible to install apps under a user account. I always do this with custom compiled software, it seems logical to do it for possibly dubious (i.e universe repository) software that doesn't need to install things as admin. It would be reassuring to know that non-dependency/library, single user, non-system software never has admin permissions.
Pure FUD! (Score:3, Informative)
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Ehm, actually, the root account does not inherit any password. You are correct that by default, there is no way to log in as root in ubuntu. The reason for that is that the root account does not h
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It's different in the fact that you are
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The general concept of installing a package on a multi-user system involves running arbitrary third party code as root. This is true on Windows, Mac OS X, every GNU/Linux distro, and every Unix. You're right that this is dangerous from a security perspective - if you can get a user to install something, you've got root on their system. Some packages shouldn't need this, but many actually do - I think that Mac OS X is the only system that provides a built in mechanism to install packages that don't need root
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:4, Insightful)
In the future if you think something is a hassle or annoying, do a little research on it, Linux is very flexible and odds are you can modify or change it.
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:4, Interesting)
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By default, there is no root password on Ubuntu. If you run the "passwd" command as root, you are setting a password, but there is no old password to replace.
Sorry to nitpick, but I don't want anyone thinking that Ubuntu has a default root password. That would be an ugly security issue.
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Nononono, how often do we have to dispel this myth! If people like you would do their homework before talking, it would probably already have died. From
root:!:13456:0:99999:7:::
From "man shadow":
"If the password field contains some string that is not valid result of crypt(3), for instance ! or *, the user will not be able to use a unix password to log in, subject to pam(7)."
So, effectively, the root account is disabled and no pass
Re:Fast mirror at Indiana University (Score:5, Interesting)
I've never seen anything even close to this smooth. It's not just a Linux-best. It's quite simply the best I've ever seen.
Oh, and did I mention I lied above ? You see, all the messages mentioned was nicely localized into my native written Language, nynorsk, the least used variant of Norwegian, which perhaps half a million people in the world write. I'm impressed.
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Xubuntu (the Xfce variant for low-end machines) is up on Ubuntu's official image servers:
Plesant Java Surprise? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Plesant Java Surprise? (Score:5, Informative)
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Lets get the facts right, here. It's not a bug-report, it's an RFE, a Request for Enhancement.
AND IT'S BLOODY FOUR YEARS OLD!!!
See for your self: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id =4802695 [sun.com]
To add insult to injury, when the status of this 'RFE' only very recently changed (January 16th 2007), IT WAS TARGETED FOR THE NEXT RELEASE. In other words it'll be another 18 months.
And the first person who tells me I should use a 32-bit browser anyway, I'm going to strangle with Java-code.
Excuse me for l
torrents (Score:3, Informative)
Re:torrents (Score:5, Informative)
ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]
ubuntu-7.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]
ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]
ubuntu-7.04-server-amd64.iso.torrent [ubuntu.com]
Why Can't Linux Developers Match OS X (Score:3, Insightful)
Just compare:
http://shots.linuxquestions.org/scaled/Ubuntu%207
vs
http://images.apple.com/macosx/leopard/images/ind
I just don't understand how there can remain such a huge gap in the attention to detail and refinement with Linux desktops and apps. Have Linux developers never used Interface builder and it's alignment spacing tools or ever really sat down with a Mac and gone over the various OS X UI parts to understand how and why the feel and work so well?
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There were no menu drop downs on the mac screen shot, but I know what those look like, and I know they are better done.
Re:Why Can't Linux Developers Match OS X (Score:4, Insightful)
Second of all, I like the look of Ubuntu's default Gnome environment almost as much as the Mac OS X 10.4 UI. But here are the differences I notice:
First of all, the bad:
- Look at the buttons on the window title bars in Ubuntu. Especially that annoying catch-all menu on the left side. Notice how the space around the button is wider on the top and left than it is on the bottom. That just looks sloppy. Mac OS has never had this sort of problem in a final release.
- Where is my quick-access-but-not-a-desktop-icon method of launching an app? Mac OS has had one for over a decade. There were pop-up folders (tabs), tabbed launch apps, and now there's the Dock (though I prefer the old categorized tabs, myself). Even Windows, that paragon of UI anti-design, has Quick Launch bars. I guess you could call the hierarchic menu a "fast launch" menu, since it's still faster than manually navigating to the folder and running the app or typing the path/app into a CLI. But I never considered that a quick-access method on Mac OS even when you could stick stuff into the Apple menu. Hierarchic menus are just too finicky... OH WAIT. There it is. Sorry, but there's a reason that the Mac mouse was one-button for all those years, even in the face of heavy criticism. Relying on a right-click for what should be basic system functions is just poor practice. I've been running Ubuntu for a while now, and this screenshot was the first I'd seen of the aforementioned feature.
- A system-wide menubar is really a nice thing. You can't click another app's menus without switching to that app anyway, so why even give the option? Plus, it frees up screen real-estate for other things. You'd be amazed how much space is wasted by all those menubars, especially the ones that consist of just File, Edit, View. Move all that crap to one place. And yes, I do understand that it takes some getting-used-to and that people are resistant to change. Especially Linux geeks. Try it for a month and I'll guarantee you won't go back. It's the same challenge we all issue to Windows users, and what's good for the goose...
- And one final note: thank goodness the Apple folks have finally realized that brushed metal looks like ass. Now if we could just get back to a standardized look and feel...
And the good:
- As I mentioned before, a standard look and feel. Ubuntu has that. Given, it's baby-turd brown, but at least it's consistent. And I'm sure there are themes to change the colors (and given my first criticism above, hopefully the layout). Note that the "themes" issue is another failing of the Mac OS in its current incarnation. It's also quite a sore issue with Apple, I fear, so any official resolution is unlikely.
- The shut-down button is awesome. On a Mac, you can just bonk the power button and invoke the "sleep, restart, shut down, or cancel?" dialog, but on generic PC hardware, you can't always do that. Often, the case's faceplate is gone, exposing little sharp plastic nubs instead of a nice power button. Sometimes the damn thing is under your desk and just out of reach. Sometimes it's in a server locker 1000 miles away. Being able to shut down the OS using an always-accessible power button icon is just really damned nice.
- Multiple desktops. Windows doesn't have it. Mac OS doesn't have it. (Third-party add-ons don't count.) Nothing more needs to be said. And the UI to switch between them is pure gold.
And the Ugly? Just about everything Windows does. I would like to take this opportunity to beg the Linux/GNU/Gnome/KDE/whatever devs and contributors not to copy Windows. It's an ethical thing, really. Mistreatment of eyes is a horrible crime. Won't someone please think of MY EYES?!
Re:Why Can't Linux Developers Match OS X (Score:4, Interesting)
Leopard (OS X 10.5) is going to have multiple desktops in October. And the real reasons I use OS X aren't so much the interface as it's Textmate and Quicksilver. There is no text editor on any platform that can compare to TextMate, and Quicksilver is one of the greatest interface innovations since the GUI.
Of course, they make me use Windows at work.
Upgrade from 6.10 (Score:4, Informative)
gksu "update-manager -c -d" and follow instructions. As always, back up your computer fist.
Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know if thats a good idea. I could be wrong, but what your asking for is to upgrade to the last beta. You may want to wait a few days before running update-manager.
Check it out:
arthur@persephone:~$ update-manager --help
usage: update-manager [options]
options:
-h, --help show this help message and exit
-c, --check-dist-upgrades
Check if a new distribution release is available
-d, --devel-release Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is
possible
--dist-upgrade, --dist-ugprade
Try to run a dist-upgrade
arthur@persephone:~$
Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (Score:4, Informative)
-d is wrong since it is there to force an upgrade to a development version, which 7.04 (Feisty) isn't anymore.
To do an upgrade correctly, follow the instructions here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [ubuntu.com]
Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (Score:4, Insightful)
consequence of ruining
You do whatever you like, my
Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Upgrade from 6.10 (Score:5, Funny)
Agreed about the fist. When upgrading, I too curl my fingers into that well-known "computer fist" as I anticipate what I am about to do. But backing the fist up (usually up and to the right, near my ear) is important, so that it will have maximal effect when I pound it down on the desk in frustration, when something inevitably breaks. Or even if something doesn't, to celebrate. A good way to relieve tension, but it does interfere with typing.
Use the torrents, people (Score:5, Insightful)
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Old news! (Score:5, Funny)
Finally! (Score:3, Funny)
(Of course, it'll be a Gazelle, but hey.)
Re:Finally! (Score:4, Informative)
Thanks Mark (Score:5, Insightful)
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You must really like pain. (Score:3, Informative)
If by "fun weekend project," you mean "experience that will make you curse computers, question your own sanity, and shake your fist at God for not having struck you down with a well-placed lightning bolt before you set forth on this foolhardy endeavor," then yeah, sure, it might be a fun weekend project.
But seriously, if you want MythTV to work, and work well, get hardware that'
System Requirements? (Score:3, Informative)
Incidentally, how come SAMBA isn't included by default? This bit me recently when trying to move files between 2 networked (but not on the internet) computers.
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if you've a rt2500 based wireless card you might wanna get something else..
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Use KDE (Score:2)
Re:System Requirements? (Score:4, Informative)
slashdotted... this time IRC, not HTTP (Score:4, Interesting)
#ubuntu = 1600 users
#ubuntu-release-party = 850 users
In the last hour, these have both gone up by around 100-200 each. 24hrs ago, #ubuntu-release-party had 20 people.
Apparently this is a new record for the freenode IRC network!
Forget whether or not ubuntulinux.org can remain online, everyone start praying for the poor folk at freenode
UbuntuStudio (Score:2, Interesting)
Might skip this version (Score:5, Funny)
Bring on Version 9: Hungry Hungry Hippo!
Dual-boot (Score:2)
Can anybody tell me if it's possible to remove Ubuntu from the dual-boot later?
Just like to have a backup options. Otherwise I'd have to go through the pain of imaging my harddisk first.
Also, I currently use Outlook Express on both laptop and desktop, with the laptop install pointing to a shared folder on the desktop. Is there any Linux application which is able to natively work with an Outlook Express e-mail folder. Or would I be able to share e-mail i
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Java (Score:3, Interesting)
What's new? (Score:5, Interesting)
sources : blog 1 [sabza.org], blog 2 [blogspot.com]
I already have all of these setup on Edgy, so I won't upgrade.
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Tomboy and f-spot at least, were included in Ubuntu 6.10.
There are *lots* of small incremental improvements in Ubuntu, that's the benefit of 6 month release plan. Some of them are detailed here: http://philbull.livejournal.com/34930.html [livejournal.com] There are also a list of improvements from Gnome 2.18 here: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/en/ [gnome.org]
I imagine the new
Livecd goodness (Score:4, Informative)
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Angy Akata
Busty Beaner
Crackhead Coon
Ditzy Darkie
Eerie Earfucker
Fisting Feminazi
Grubby Goombah
Horny Ho
Irate Inky
Jumping Jigabo
Kinky Kike
Lame Limey
Morose Moolie
Nappy Nigger
Obscene Oreo
Puny Popolo
Quiet Queer
Reeking Rafter
Sleazy Spic
Tipsy Tranny
Ugly UncleTom
Venomous Velcrohead
Wretched Whigger
Xenophobic Xena
Yellow Yenta
Zany Zebra
This is just some random text to avoid the lameness filter. This is just some random text to avoid the lameness f
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesys temHowto [ubuntu.com]
http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/libnss-ldap [ubuntu.com]
http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/admin/libpam-lda p [ubuntu.com]
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba [ubuntu.com]
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http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ [ubuntu.com]
and:
http://frei.ubuntu.com/feisty/ [ubuntu.com]
Erratum: should have read (Score:2)
Re:Java is not YET Free software (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Java is not YET Free software (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Java is not YET Free software (Score:5, Insightful)
Whether you agree with what the Ubuntu project is doing or not, there is nothing sneaky about it. They have never tried to hide what they are doing.
Many of us, including me, have been asking for a long time for a distribution that fucking works. One that does things, out of the box, that every other operating system does. And we frankly don't care if that means that we have to run closed software today. Because as we have seen, the existence of closed software on Linux does not prevent people from working on open alternatives to it. The existence of free-as-in-beer Java hasn't stopped people from working on free-as-in-speech implementations (and as you point out, Java is on its way to Freedom.) The existence of the free-as-in-beer nVidia drivers isn't stopping work on an alternative.
Ubuntu is doing what a sizable slice of the community has asked them to do, and your complaining about it is ridiculous. Complain about the users if you like.
And stop complaining about the lack of Ubuntu-distributed new features. Even if no one "at" Ubuntu ever fixed a bug, which frankly is not required by the Open Source model, they do a shitload to coordinate it, and they have done more to package Linux for the end user than anyone else.
Finally, Ubuntu is going to be bringing out an entirely-Free distribution. So I'm not really sure what you're bitching about. If Free software can't compete on its own merits, then it deserves to lose.
Re:Java is not YET Free software (Score:4, Insightful)
ubuntu is making vast progress in the arena of raising awareness and usage of free software in the general public. In what way is it parasitic? Ubuntu runs at a loss, held up by shuttleworth's own money. For the first time ever, because of the work ubuntu have put in, I now feel the slightest twinges of comfort in recommending the use of linux to a non technical person.
Fair enough if the FSF want to be purist about their approach, but no one else is obliged to, and no one who is obeying the licensing terms of the software they distribute can ever be accused of being underhanded or parasitic.
Re:Java is not YET Free software (Score:5, Insightful)
Every time I hear someone go off on how free-as-in-beer software is evil and corrupts the precious open-source movement, I just want to smack my forehead in disgust.
It's the usability, stupid.
It's about turning your computer into something productive, so it's not a paperweight with blinking lights. Ubuntu has made more headway in organizing a usable system than RedHat, Mandrake, and Debian combined. It is really the first distro that nearly everyone can use.
Now, about your comments that it is "parasitic", I think you're confused even further. If nothing else, Ubuntu is a way to increase the user base of the software which you say it doesn't contribute to. It gets Linux, Open Office, Xorg, and thousands of other softwares into the hands of people who would never have known there was another alternative to Microsoft otherwise. And you decry it because it encourages people to have choice. You insult the very software that could very well be the cause of manufacturers opening drivers, or if not providing open drivers, perhaps providing working binary drivers, ala NVidia. But then, you're against that, too. To fanatical egotistic closed minded people like yourself, having a binary driver in your kernel would sully it somehow, rendering it unfit to use, so instead you install semi-working drivers provided by people who have reverse engineered the hardware and bitch about how for-profit companies refuse to give away their trade secrets.
Get over yourself. It's not a paragon of virtue and selflessness. It's a fucking kernel. That's it.
Re:Java is not YET Free software (Score:5, Insightful)
Ubuntu widens the market for Linux by providing a distribution that people can actually use.
As a result, it strengthens the push for Free software, because most Linux software is Free.
Ubuntu is the first Linux distribution to include an automated crash reporting tool, which feeds more useful bug reports into the system, which is a benefit to all. And the entire system, including aggregation of these crash reports, was built and is maintained and run by Ubuntu.
Finally, Ubuntu is using software in accordance with its licensing, so really no one has room to bitch. If you want to force people to contribute back changes, then put something about that in the license of the software you develop, and quit bitching. Let peace begin with me, and all that.
What software have you written and released under an OSI-approved license? What patches have you written and released (and had accepted) for Free software?
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Re:Java is not YET Free software (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Java is not YET Free software (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't want to sound harsh because I believe you're genuinely concerned, but I think you're wrong. Ubuntu is providing non-free packages for some things because it's what people want. People want the ability to get easy 3D accelleration for their video cards, and the open source drivers don't do it, so Ubuntu provides the ability to install the non-free drivers easily.
And yes, "what people want" matters. Making it easy for people to get good performance from their computers will win converts to Linux. As Linux's share of the market grows, there's an increasing chance that various companies will support linux in various ways. The more people are using Linux on their desktop and the more people want 3D accelleration for their desktop, the more likely it is that someone (maybe even Nvidia and AMD) will actually produce Free drivers.
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I don't want to sound harsh because I believe you're genuinely concerned, but I think you're wrong.
Fair enough. Thanks for the rational post. I think you're completely wrong though. By providing what some people want Ubuntu is cannibalizing the market and making it easier for hardware vendors (and arguably in this case Sun) to continue to provide hardware that works inadequately with Linux. Just because a large number of people might be able to get a short-term gain (my nVidia card will now do 3D wit
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So far all the ATI cards upto and including the r300 chipsets, the nvidia cards now supported by the nouveau project (which is very recent) include up to the geforce 8800 (IIRC). You can see the details at free3d.org [free3d.org]
The latest Intel G965 chipsets also include an integrated video chip GMA X3000 which is apparently beefy enough to do stuff like Compiz/Bery, Tuxracer just fine.
anything that forces hardware vendors to support Linux on more desktops is more likely to lead to more adequate drivers. That's
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That's so not true [launchpad.net]
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On Linux you may unknowingly be using the free Gnu implemenation of Java (gcj). Install the Sun JVM and try running from that one instead.
In my experience the Sun JVM on Linux is better than the Sun JVM on windows, but the Sun JVM on windows is faster than gcj on Linux.
That said, I applaud the efforts by the gcj guys big time.
Is your WinXP disk a burn? (Score:2)
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* At least with the (recommended) automatic tool. If you know what you are doing, you can likely upgrade directly with the manual tools. You will need some knowledge though. (aptitude dist-upgrade, dpkg --force-things, and apt-get -f install are your friends. It won't be pretty)
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DigiCam: the very vast majority works out of the box (and simpler than Windows, plugging it in opens a management app)
iTunes: complain to Apple and/or help her a bit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedForma t s/iTunesMusicStore [ubuntu.com]
Multimedia: 7.04 will prompt you and offer to install support for proprietary codecs. DVD needs a tiny bit of help: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/ [sos-sts.com]