Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) Beta Released 429
vivaoporto writes "The Beta version of the popular Linux distribution, Ubuntu 7.04, was released today. Codenamed Feisty Fawn, the CD images can be downloaded from the Canonical Servers, and the final version is due to be released next month. Get it while it's hot! Read more about it on the official wiki."
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Ubuntu Torrents (Score:5, Informative)
mod parent up (Score:3, Insightful)
Also because I am downloading this torrent and more people would mean better transfer rates.
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Here's the list from the announcement:
Europe:
http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Sweden)
http://es.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Spain)
http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (The Netherlands)
http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/linux/ubuntu/7.04 [utwente.nl] (The Netherlands)
http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Ireland)
http://it.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Italy)
http://pl.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Poland)
http://de.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Germany)
http://bg.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Bulgaria)
Australia:
http://au.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com]
Africa:
http://za.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (South Africa)
Rest of the world:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 [ubuntu.com] (Great Britain)
How does this compare (Score:2, Funny)
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I'm hoping SuSe gets turned all the way up to 11. That'd rock!
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Get an nVidia-based card and use the nVidia proprietary drivers. Once you install them, setting up dual monitors is as easy as adding one line to xorg.conf, or turning it on with nvidia-xconfig
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A) 6.06 is the long term support (LTS) release, meaning that it will be good for a couple years to come
B) After the last upgrade fiasco, the Ubuntu devs are putting special care to make sure the update tool works this time, so people can just install 6.06 and then use the update manager to update to 7.04 if they decide they want it.
C) They won't ship CDs of another release until the next LTS release, so there won't be any 7.04 CDs either.
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Great, can they fix what they broke during my last upgrade? I haven't been able to get to my
That is why I always suggest people not to upgrade unless they have a specific reason to; if what you have works the way you want it to, run with it.
My best recommendation would to do a new install. That would (obviously) be faster than trying to fix the set up as it is now. If I were you, I would put the entire OS including /home (maybe partition so that you have 9gig to /, 1 gig swap, 10 gig /home) on your first drive (20 gig should be more than enough), and then during the install/partitioning step just mount the other HD in /media/storage and keep all your big files (movies and such) there. I'm on the Ubuntuforums if I can help you more just drop me a private message. It might take me a couple days but I'll answer.
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I'm dedicated to making an earnest effort with Linux for professional audio/video production. I don't want to be hearing about typos in config files and such.
Look, I can still use the case, mobo, drives and memory I've gotten for this UbuntuStudio project for something else. Will someone here please tell me if I'm wasting my time or not? I don't expect installing and configuring Linux to be as easy as OSX, but I need to know whether this thing is ready for prime time, or at least ready to use as a secondary platform for audio.
Is there anyplace I can find all these little problems I'm going to have to deal with to get Ubuntu to work? Or will these things even matter? I would like dual-monitor support, by the way. Do I stay or do I go?
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If you do a fresh install of feisty, you'll be just fine. Dualmonitor support takes a little (I mean a little) file editing if you have nvidia.
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I know how the GPL works, but in the case of Redhat, you have e.g. CentOS which is their enterprise product stripped away for trademarked logos and stuff in order to be able to redistribute it. So I was wondering if perhaps the same would go for selling downloaded ubuntu CDs, that you're not allowed if you don't strip away that kind of content first?
(That's probably a tough question, I'll take guessing and hearsay a plenty.)
Re:Damnit... (Score:4, Interesting)
You can sell GPL'd binaries, so long as you provide source code as well.
That can mean you wait for someone to ask, then you ship them a CD of the source code for $2, or you can make it easy and just include source code on the CD, or on another separate CD along with the binary CD.
Distros usually make it easy, by providing ISOs or packages of the source code for download. Fortunately for you, Ubuntu is no different: ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/sou
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IMHO, Open Source on Windows isn't going to get much traction because of this... The GPL requires you provide source with your binaries, but most GPL'd Windows projects don't provide a source package... only binaries, and you have to go upstream, or look around for CVS/SVN instructions to create your own snapshot. Whether it's ClamWin, Cygwin, cdrdao, or most anything else, you've got lots of work to do to find the source code.
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NOOOOO, not that spyware-infested piece of crap!
Also, why would you even want to pay for such things when it should be part of the OS (whether the OS itself is for free or not).
Another reason why I prefer Linux...at least in Linux you don't have to download adware/spyware-infested crap in order to do some simple theme or style changes in my desktop environment.
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Rejected Names (Score:4, Funny)
Somnolent Squirrel
Crank Cardinal
Lecherous Lemming
Aromatic Alpaca
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No, that would go to "Edgy Eft". What the eff is an eft?
(yes, I do actually know what an eft is, that's not the point)
The trend is increasing toward version numbers now. Ubuntu's version of "stable" is 6.06LTS, and neither "Dapper" nor "Drake" appear on the page, just an appended "LTS" (for "Long Term Support").
You still need the adjective for apt repository names though.
Re:new name, please! (Score:5, Interesting)
Are you running the "Stoned Beaver" [wikipedia.org] "Out of Detox" or "Feisty Dunnart" kernel?
(in other words, code names suck, but there is no way around them)
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I'd think that your customers might be more concerned about that hippy and the talking dog that follows you around in that weird green van you drive.
Yeah, yeah -- I know you like to call it an "ascot"
still a long way to go (Score:4, Interesting)
He was immediately stuck. He even figured out how to access the shell, but he didn't understand why it kept saying that he needed superuser privileges to continue. The problem with these kinds of things is that if even one little glitch happens like this, the user gets stuck and then usually gives up and goes back to Windows. It has to be perfect. It has to be flawless. Or else it won't attract brand new users.
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And here's a tip that really should be a clue-batting, but I'm feeling nice: telling end users to use IRC for help is the dumbest fucking thing you can do. And for the record--with a few exceptions, the people in #ubuntu are dumb as a box of rocks. Completely useless for almost any questions. (This is not a slight against the half-dozen helpful people on the channel--just the 400+ who suck.)
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ever gotten the error message about the registry size being too small
No, I can honestly say in all my time of using windows computers, and working on them(far to many MSPC's to count) I have never seen that message. For the most part Windows isn't that bad, and I find it a lot more polished, and easier to use that Ubuntu that's for sure.
I use Ubuntu, exclusively at home now, I have been for a year. I get caught on snags in it EVERYWHERE. For some reason every so often after logging in it doesn't detect mouse clicks, unless I reboot. Synaptic is buggy I still have "pending u
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If you think it MIGHT be your hardware, look into that. Seriously. It's possible (I'd give it 60/40) that it's your hardware or something outside of the OS's control. I once (back in the day) installed ECC memory into a box that clearly was non-ECC. That was an interesting couple of days before I realized why things were crashing inconsistently....
Run Memtest - heck, it's right on your Ubuntu boot cd! If that shows no errors for a pass or two, find something that's CPU intensive and run it for
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Re:still a long way to go (Score:5, Insightful)
The proper way for a newbie to install software is Add/Remove programs right off the ubuntu menu... just like in fracking Windows, for Pete's sake.
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Shit happens, but yeah there should be an automated system to solve package issues. The brilliant bit is, you can submit a feature request to the ubuntu team and it might actually get implimented.
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The thing is, everyone knows someone who's pretty good with Windows and can help them with their problems. Five minutes with Google usually does the trick. How many people know a linux geek to help them with that? Probably not nearly as many. So, linux remains a daunting prospect for people who don't know who they can turn to for help.
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5 minutes for you. My mom wouldn't even begin to know what to search for. I'm talking about the friend that knows how to fix stuff. He could find the answer pretty quick and know what to look for in the hits so that he doesn't end up in some ad portal hell.
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When I put dpkg superuser Ubuntu into Google and hit "I'm feeling lucky", it took me straight to a page [ubuntuforums.org] where somebody had exactly the same problem and was shown exactly what to do, with a link to a tutorial as well.
How is "five minutes with Google" not enough in the Ubuntu case?
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That better not be true, because it's impossible. But we know that it it isn't true - Mac OS X and Windows Vista are far from flawless, and yet people still manage to muddle their way through using those systems. In fact, lots of people manage to use Ubuntu right now even with a couple of bugs.
The fact that it neither recovers in that situation nor gives the "correct" command to recover is legitimately a serious problem - I hope you filed a bug on it - but it shouldn't seriously prevent anyone from being able to use the system. Pasting any chunk of the error message into google gives the answer, as does asking anyone who knows anything about Ubuntu directly.
Switching to any different operating system will be non-trivial, unless someone else is administering it. There's no way around that, however much people trying to switch to various Linux distros demand that it not be so. Ubuntu is well beyond the point where anyone can easily use it if they are willing to slog through the difficulties of learning the basics of a new system - and no new system can ever be significantly better than that.
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Here's my take on the particular situation the OP brought up.
1. telling the user about the problem
1A. it can detect the problem well enough to tell the user what needs to be done... so why doesn't it just ask if it is ok to do that and then do it itself so the user doesn't have to figure out how to type in a command.
1B. if 1A is too much work then at least tell the user "you will need to type this in a window; you get the window by...."
2. telling the user about privilege
2A. It should, tell the user his account doesn't have the privilege necessary...
2B. It should tell the user in words a newbie is most likely to understand, not "you need to be superuser" or something similar but "you will need administrator privileges to do this; here is how you can get them for the purpose of running this command". Administrator is a plain English word whose plain English meaning is exactly right for this context.
I know, it is a PITA to explain every last thing to newbies, but if you aren't willing to put the effort in to do that then you will never win over new users... they will hit something like this, throw their hands up in the air and go back to something more familiar - whatever that is. That's human nature, it isn't going to change, you have two choices: get used to it and work around it or give up. That's all there is to it.
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That is something I have always wondered about Synaptic and the dpkg -i ??'xxasdf issue, he tells *me* to do it, and it is the first thing to try... why dont it just *do it*... it is not for security reasons (it already has the gksudo credentials)! just fucking do it!, if it does not fix the
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Problems like these don't wilt and die on their own. They have to be noticed, you have to point the torch at such things and tell other people to come and hav
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In ubuntu, there's an add/remove option in the Applications menu, and it gives a nice user-friendly interface to installing software.
As for updates, it automatically checks every night for them and will display an icon in the status bar and pop up a bubble saying there are updates for your computer.
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Really? what is grandma doing that the default install and automatic updates of Ubuntu are not sufficient for her?
She needs the latest Xorg code? She wants to be on the bleeding edge of compositing managers? She's just dying to try out some new bayesian spam filters in her Postfix install? She hates postfix and called you because she's having a bitch of a time installing Qmail? She can't quite get Wow running under wine?
I have a dapper install at home and aside from xorg.conf or smb.conf, i find the bui
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Windows is built to magically "fix itself" in a couple cases where Ubuntu wouldn't, but I've found that systems that magically fix themselves sometimes also can magically break themselves.
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I've gone from Breezy to Dapper to Edgy to Feisty (Score:3, Insightful)
If you've used EasyUbuntu or something like that, you may have problems.
If you're not sure of your comfort level with fixing something like that (or if you depend upon a wireless NIC for connectivity) then you should just go with a clean install.
People with more experience will be able to identify possible problems BEFORE upgrading and also be able to handle them AFTER the upgrade.
I've had no problems but then I use an old NIC and I have a decent amount of Linux experience
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Actually, I see no reason why someone new to Linux wouldn't do fine with the Feisty Beta - as long as they understand the concept of Beta software and won't be too disappointed if something breaks. The Feisty beta seems pretty stable, and includes some stuff like Compiz that might be fun for a new user.
Just remember, if you're using beta software: If it breaks you get to keep both pieces - after you report the bug.
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Installing any operating system for the first time is a "project". It not an especially difficult project for a system like Ubuntu, but it's definitely not a trivial task to undertake. Computer experience makes it a bit easier, but there will still be points where you have to think a bit to figure out what to do next.
Kubuntu 7.04 beta also released (Score:2, Informative)
http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-beta.php [kubuntu.org]
Some thoughts on Feisty (Score:5, Informative)
I did a dist-upgrade from edgy to feisty about three days ago. Nothing has gone downhill and things have only gotten better. I have had a few problems, though I write them off as transitional issues. After all, it was pre-beta software.
My biggest problem has been with the nvidia kernel module. For those who don't know, you can make sure this is installed properly by doing:
sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` nvidia-glx
This is all well and good but for some reason the nvidia kernel module was just randomly disappearing! No joke. I ended up using module-assistant (sudo it) to build my own nvidia module, which worked great, and got everything working again.
There is a new restricted module manager which explicitly informs you that you are using restricted modules, which may not be supported. The system may have made it easy for you to install binary drivers, but it makes damned sure that you know you're using them and what the downside is.
The network-manager gains zeroconf support in this release, but there's still no WPA options in the network-manager. I thought that was coming in this release? I have network-manager-gnome installed, but it doesn't look anything like this [chadda.se]. So I don't know WTF is going on. And I'm in the middle of installing a bunch of packages so I can't find out at this moment, either. The default driver may not support WPA, I wouldn't know, but my network-manager applet still is a pale ghost of what I'm seeing in screenshots.
In general, what most beta users of Feisty are going to notice in comparison to Edgy is graphical. Various theme elements have changed slightly. The biggest change, of course, is the official inclusion of binary drivers, which is much easier to get working. You won't need envy to get those nvidia drivers working any more (assuming you were unable or unwilling to do the install manually, envy seems to have been the most common way to install 'em.) Envy, of course, does not support Feisty.
Early adopters will note that EasyUbuntu and Automatix both still lack Feisty support. Way to test and be ahead of the curve, guys. But of course that's not Ubuntu's fault.
This is a lot less painless than my last experience, attempting to upgrade a somewhat tweaked dapper to edgy. This system is no less tweaked, but the dist-upgrade went fine.
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Hmmm, not sure what you mean by this because zeroconf isn't related to network-manager as far as I know. Anyway, your network-manager applet should look just like your screenshot. Are you sure you are running the applet? Type nm-applet at the terminal. Ubuntu ships another wireless applet with the same icon, but it isn't the network-manager applet. So make sure you are actually running the network-manager applet. And WPA configuration has been there for at least a year, so you should be able to see it unless there are driver issues with your wireless card.
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For some reason it wasn't showing up. I executed the following command:
sudo apt-get --reinstall install network-manager network-manager-gnome
Then I rebooted, then it appeared. I'm not sure if just running nm-applet would have been enough, or if I needed to do what I did, but it worked :P
EFI support? (Score:2)
Anyone know if this'll use ELILO (in particular so I'm not limited to gentoo as my sole choice for installing on a MacTel without Bootcamp?)
(yeah yeah, technically you can do it on most any dist, but I'm not that interesting in hacking it that much)
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You're pretty young, then? Early twenties?
mobo RAID support? (Score:3, Interesting)
For long time, no Linux distro would support this 'winRAID'. Then dmraid project was created at RedHat, and soon after, Fedora Core 5,6, SUSE 10.2, and RHEL 5 have installer support for it.
Last I've heard that future Ubuntu releases will contain support for dmraid... does anybody can verify that is the case, that is Ubuntu 7.04 can be installed on RAID0 device created on onboard RAID controller?
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Ubuntu is now automatically prelinked (Score:5, Informative)
From the ubuntu forums:
"UPDATE 1/2/07: Prelink is no longer necessary in Feisty. Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which dramatically speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running the prelink program."
Another great improvement is hardware (esp. wireless and graphics) support.
Now thats progress, each release faster and better than the last.
This is a true story (Score:4, Interesting)
Now my friend found an old computer from his company (Pentium III, 750 Mhz, 20GB harddisk) that had Windows 2000 and thought that could save his in-laws a trip to the library. He connected it to his brand new cable connection (without any router). I had warned him earlier that he should at least install a firewall before connecting it to the internet. Of course he didn't listen me and it was the next day after the first run that he called me. Guess what, the computer started showing spam messages (I think that was the messanger bug), so he run an old antivirus program all day and couldn't find anything (the program never finished actually).
Now, he was wondering how he can fix the problem. I said either use a free anti virus or let me install linux. Since he wanted to test drive Linux he opted for it. So we made a deal, his in-laws were going to prepare delicious Turkish food, and meanwhile I was going to install Kubuntu 6.10.
At the beginning, the boot started fine. However, as soon as X11 started the screen went dark. I waited 15 minutes or so since that was the first time I was using Kubuntu 6.10 installer and I thought the machine was doing something. But it turned out that I had downloaded live cd (which had the installer). So spent an hour or so trying a few times, and trying install without going to the live system. I should have read little more, since apparently live cd doesn't have the regular installation options I was expecting to see (they had another CD for that). Anyway, after an hour or so, I had my euroka moment when I pressed Cltr-Alt-F1. Wholla, text console was there. Now, at least I knew machine was up but X11 had problems. So I changed X11 configuration on the live system to vesa and X started working. With the main bottleneck solved, I quickly started installation. The installer was kind enough to ask even if I want to create a partition for windows and let it stay there. My friend just said remove everything, so I just go and selected a few options and the machine was ready in 10 minutes or so. However, when it booted the next time from the hard-drive, it was again X11 with problems so I just modified xconfig file to switch it back to vesa driver. Now, I had a working machine with 800x600 resolution. A quick internet search showed me that the Matrox G250 driver that comes with the driver had a bug. So ubuntu forums had a discussion where somebody recompiled bug-free debian driver for matrox. After installing that, I had 1600x1200 resolution without any problem. Next hour spent on eye-candies. I installed firefox, created bookmarks to the Turkish newspapers, created some bookmarks to in-laws mail providers etc, added some weather and add blocking extensions. I also changed to KDE and Firefox themes to noia (to their dismay, since initially they wanted to have familiar XP interface which my heart didn't let me do it. I complained so much that they let me use Noia
Anyway, to make the long story short, the only think they wanted out-of box was Internet Explorer since some sites explicitly required it and Acrobat Reader. It didn't took very long to install IE (thanks to IEs4Linux) and Adobe already had acroread ready. My friend's wife needed an office program, so the obvious choice was OpenOffice. The final step was the installation of Flash. I also showed them how to use Adept so that they can install whatever they want very easily, and just added a button to kill firefox or IE , in case they had problems.
Since then they are very happy with their system. My main concern which was running KDE on Pentium 3 750Mhz machine with 256MB ram was unfounded. The system is very responsive. I was wondering how long it would stay without crashing, and asked them to let the compute
This will be awesome because... (Score:3, Interesting)
My feelings on the current releases of Ubuntu is that it is getting VERY close to making Linux a potential alternative for average Windows users. The only shortcoming that still exists is that installing applications that are not distributed through Ubuntu is still confusing for 'normal' folks (ie. people who have no background with Linux). It would be nice if Linux would adapt a single universal installer for all Linux apps -- that would bring Linux a lot of people.
Anyways, keep your eyes on this release -- it is nice
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I found the ubuntu forums to be very helpful, and I also found the ubuntu guide (www.ubuntuguide.org) to be extremely helpful for the basic things that a new user would run into.
As noted in these comments, you will need to get to know the console (command line) more so than needed in Windows. However, I have now found that I prefer it for many things. The other thing you'll need to get used to is not having root user privileges for everything you do, meaning if you want to do something not mundane (and sometimes even mundane things), you'll need to give yourself root privileges for that action (which in ubuntu is most easily done by typing "sudo" in the console before your command).
I feel like I've become real familiar with how everything works by trying to add fancy things to the user interface (like a rotating cube desktop). Working on those fancy things, which is sometimes difficult (but easier now than it used to be) gave me the understanding I need such that doing all the basic stuff is now absolutely no problem. The forums and Ubuntu guide got me there.
I will note, though, it is not like windows. It can't be--you just can't have it be as secure as Ubuntu and as easy to use as Windows (I'm sure that's why Windows is so hole-ridden; it was all in the name of useability). On the other hand, Linux really is a lot easier to use than it used to be, has good support, and can do things Windows can't (I really think my rotating cube desktop is awesome).
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However, on the server they don't apply.
I have been running 64-bit on an AMD server without any problems (apart from a trivial quirk in PHP's PEAR/PECL which has an easy workaround [just add ini_set('memory_size', 16MB) in some script]).
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There is a slight performance benifit to running 64 bit, but it's not worth worrying about. It can be as much as 15 - 20% in rigged benchmarks, and even higher in 64-bit specific code (you don't have any), but it's more like 3% for using real-world apps. Compared to the hassle of running non-native code, the minor performance gain is rarely worth it.
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Gnarly Gnome, Gestating Grinch, Glad Gestapo, Gooey Goonie, Garish German, Garnished Goat, Global Geese....
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Thank you. That's basically the whole story right there. If we're going to compare install experiences for operating systems, Ubuntu crushes Windows into the ground all day long.