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IBM To Demo OpenPower 710 At SCALE 3x 101

Posted by timothy from the linear-expansion dept.
An anonymous reader writes "IBM will demo their PPC based servers including their new OpenServer 710 at SCALE 3x this week. In addition they have their i5/520 running Power Linux, Intel Linux, AIX, i5/OS (OS/400), and Windows all simultaneously. SCALE will be held this weekend in Los Angeles at the LA Convention Center. Speakers include Kevin Foreman (Real Networks), Jon Hall (Linux International), Larry McVoy (CEO BitMover), Marc Hamilton (Sun) & 30 other sessions. In addtion to the talks there will be over 40 exhibitors including IBM & Novell. If you're in LA drop by on 2/12-2/13. There will also be a dinner and GPG Key Signing party. (For a free exhibit hall pass register with the promo code "FREE" or a discounted full access pass with "NEWSP".")
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  • Benchmark recomendation (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Leroy_Brown242 ( 683141 ) on Sunday February 06, 2005 @04:38PM (#11592096) Homepage Journal
    I think they should use the distributed.net [distributed.net] client for benchamarking. maybe they can take a few decades off of the RC5-72 challenge, or finish up OGR. :)
    • Just get the Top500.org to switch to distributed.net work units as the benchmark, and suddenly things would change...

      I would personally like to kick off a bunch of folding at home on a large cluster, too bad time on these clusters is a very precious commodity...
    • hey fag do you mind whe spam? If I needed hosting I would ask you. Change you stinkin' sig ... As far as the article is concerned I want one of these ... well it was about time that IBM shows some new toys. Beat that Sun ...

  • Luke Skywalker working at Sun? (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Marc Hamilton (Sun)
    I guess Luke is Sun's only hope?

  • But... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 06, 2005 @04:54PM (#11592190)
    how many linuxes does it run?

  • Imagine.. (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    a beowulf cluster of linuxes, all of them running on the same machine.
  • Register before Feb 6th for a chance to win a copy of "The Sims" for Linux

    Now you tell me! You twat.
  • The anonymous reader doesn't bother to state where that info came from. I would assume to be a member of the group putting on the expo/convention.

  • Did they say windows???? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Sunday February 06, 2005 @05:12PM (#11592271) Homepage Journal
    Are they running it under emulations or is there once again a PPC version of windows?

    • Re:Did they say windows???? (Score:4, Informative)

      by devinoni ( 13244 ) on Sunday February 06, 2005 @05:26PM (#11592366)
      The system running the Intel Linux and Windows is an i5 520, that's not the same system as an OpenPower 710. iSeries servers have optional integrated Intel servers http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/integ ratedxseries/ [ibm.com]

    • Re:Did they say windows???? (Score:4, Informative)

      by rve ( 4436 ) on Sunday February 06, 2005 @05:29PM (#11592384)
      There's a xeon server on a plugin card in the machine.
    • The "i" in "iSeries" stands for integration. On that one box, you can run i5/OS (OS/400) (a truly remarkable OS, the core architecture was developed in the 70s and has features that are still ahead of Linux and Windows), Linux POWER, and AIX in dynamic partitions. If you add an Intel card, you can also run Windows and Linux x86. There is a serious TCO case to be made by putting all the hardware in one reliable box.
      • Okay I was thinking that we might be seeing a PPC version of Windows again. I know the new XBox will run one so I was wondering if IBM had gotten it and put it on a server.
        As for OS/400. I used it on the System 38. Hated it. It took from 12 am until 11 am just to run end of night on it. I left before they replaced it with an AS/400. Friends told me it was a lot faster and end of night finished around 4am.
        The big question is why would you run Linux x86 when you have AIX and Power Linux?
        • Support.

          Would you beleive there is a certain "one world" of HR software by an IBM business partner out there whose applications are java and run on websphere, but insist that they will only run on RedHat linux on x86 or Win2K/2003?

          (sigh.)

          Other than our iSeries, [1] we are a Netware [2] shop. So for us, it makes sense (because of licencing, etc.) that we go to SuSE Linux as we upgrade/migrate machines. What really irritates me though, is that [6] there are still vendors out there who insist their product
          • "Would you believe there is a certain "one world" of HR software by an IBM business partner out there whose applications are java and run on websphere, but insist that they will only run on RedHat linux on x86 or Win2K/2003?"

            Actually yes I can. The only reason I think of is support. Each Linux distro is just a little bit different. I can imagine trying to support a commercial product under Linux has it's challenges.
            What distro, kernel, and patches are you running?
            If you have never seen that combination bef
        • The System38 was god-awful slow, I'll give you that. Throughout it's entire CISC existence, it was pretty slow. Once they went RISC, things started improving, but the POWER4 finally made it usable for compute-intensive workloads like most Java stuff (we run Websphere on a POWER4 and it hums). The POWER5 puts it out on the leading edge.

  • i5 520 Linux (Score:3, Insightful)

    by af_robot ( 553885 ) on Sunday February 06, 2005 @05:35PM (#11592414)
    To run Intel Linux / Windows on i5 (ex AS400/iseries) you need to purpose either card with intel cpu/memory (like blade) or special kit which can be used to connect i5 box to the intel (xseries) server. The main benefit of running intel apps on i5 is single-level storage. [ibm.com]
    Anyway it is a great box - i'm happy having one near my desk for two weeks. It is black, heavy, and rather quiet (for server) :)
    • > The main benefit of running intel apps on i5 is single-level storage.

      How is this insightful?

      And how is this different from running virtual servers in VMware ESX on a quad AMD64 box (lots of memory and cheaper than AIX)?

      Single-level storage is nothing but virtualized storage which means there's an I/O bottleneck in this sytem, which in turn makes those virtual servers suitable for CPU and RAM intensive Win/Lin apps (and a very expensive virtualization platform).

      (And the fact that the stupid /. edit
      • First, OS/400 != AIX but the price tag still hurts.

        I think the GP has a few wires crossed, but from what I have seen, one of the big benefits is that you can tap into the big-arsed IO pool of the iSeries.

        "how is this different..." you ask? Well, the iSeries is basically one giant transaction engine. It does not have the time to deal with pithy little issues like disk IO, so _all_ the IO tasks are delegated to IO processors. Not just stuff like "calculate parity on these blocks written to disk", but higher

  • First-hand experience with OpenPower (Score:3, Interesting)

    by winmonster ( 515415 ) on Sunday February 06, 2005 @09:59PM (#11593746)
    I just read this entire thing at -1, and there hasn't been one post that indicates anyone has even seen an OpenPower box. We purchased an OpenPower 720 box a few months ago. 2x 1.65 GHz procs, 4 GB RAM, 2 73 GB drives, 6 146 GB drives for about $22,000. We run SLES 9 on it, and use it for ITSM. I chose it opver and x86 box for one reason: I/O, which is pretty much where all big-iron architectures trounce x86. There have definitely been growing pains, though. I had to work with SUSE on a fix for installation onto an IBM RAID array. Also, I cannot utilize all of the disk space that was purchased. Both of those issues are results of IBM controllers requiring you to format a drive with 522 byte sectors. The results are workable and perform well, but not quite the "certified" solution I was expecting. Anyways, my 2 cents. I still think I made a good choice, considering management wouldn't go for a PSeries/AIX box.
    • "I chose it opver and x86 box"

      Oops, my brain temporarily shut down. You can probably deduce that I meant to say, "I chose it over an x86 box".
    • >I chose it opver and x86 box for one reason: I/O, which is pretty much where all big-iron architectures trounce x86.

      Used to be that way - now you can use cluster file systems to run I/O intensive workloads on x86 servers (Google does it 24 x 7).
      For example, you can parallelize Oracle databases using Oracle RAC, you can do the same for file and Web servers using a parallel file system like PolyServe Matrix Server, and most application servers have built-in clustering support.
      It is a bit more management-
    • Question, do you have the machine LPAR'd or are you using it stand alone?

      Guessing by the price, I wouldn't think you have an HMC, but I am interested nonetheless.

      Thanks
      John
      • It's stand-alone. We will be moving to an LPAR configuration in the future as continue to grow. That's one of the great things about this box. Add another processor card, an I/O drawer with some drives, some more memory, and a HMC and we have another identical logical server.
  • One of the really fascinating features of this server is that uses IBM DLAR (Dynamic logical partitioning). This means that new instances of any of the supported OS's can be instantiated or removed as needed.

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