Ubuntu Beware: Installing Debian with Anaconda 43
Chris writes "Progeny Linux does Debian one step better. If you like Ubuntu you'll love Progeny. A slick GNOME desktop, a solid Debian core, and the Anaconda installer have made Progeny my new desktop of choice. Progeny has also recently become part of the Linux Core Consortium (LCC) to implement Linux Standard Base (LSB) 2.0. Watch your back Ubuntu for Progeny's new 'Progeny Debian 2.0 Developer Edition RC1' release. At OSDir we just had to install this distro, and take some screenshots. Our screenshot tour will take you from boot, through the installation, to the desktop. Then we'll have a look at the taskbar, menus, system configuration, and a few of the newly added features of this great distro."
Re:Easy install Debian? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Easy install Debian? (Score:1)
Surely this must be some sort of a hack.
Gentoo is installed via commandline.
Re:Easy install Debian? (Score:2)
Gentoo underneath, easy installation on top (not that typing stuff verbatim from the web site isn't easy, but you get what I mean).
pleasures of OSS (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:pleasures of OSS (Score:1)
Re:pleasures of OSS (Score:1)
Re:pleasures of OSS (Score:2)
Did you even read the article headline?
Re:pleasures of OSS (Score:3, Informative)
Re:pleasures of OSS (Score:1)
Difference much? (Score:4, Informative)
Pardon me but I don't see much of a difference here . .
1) Debian
2) Gnome
3) Easy installation
4) Profit?
So it's got LSB standardization - Yay. With an hour of work I bet you could turn either into the other. Why the hard sell? I'm not a fanboy of either but bickering about distros does nothing but fragment the userbase at large.
In other news, by the time I'm done writing this someone will probably have posted why gentoo is superior to both of these.
Re:Difference much? (Score:5, Informative)
The fact is, these new Debian/Gnome distros (UserLinux too) are all working together. Any extra engineering and quality assurance that these distributions all provide should be appreciated by all the parties involved.
From Ian Murdock (Score:1, Interesting)
Not necessarily relevant, but, I find it interesting that Progeny was founded by the creator of Debian: Ian Murdock.
Their web site: http://www.progeny.com/ [progeny.com]
Re: rc1 ISO images (Score:3, Informative)
ISOs
http://archive.progeny.com/progeny/linux/iso-i386
I'll stick with Ubuntu, thanks. (Score:2, Insightful)
Progeny's site (btw, a link in the article would have been nice, it's Progeny [progeny.com]) calls themselves "the linux platform company" and has a very conservative, professional (in a business sense) look. That's not for me. Ubuntu, on the other hand, is very human oriented. Looking at their site (Ubuntu [ubuntulinux.org]), the first thing they do is explain the name as, ""Ubuntu" is an ancient Africa
Feeling Warm and Fuzzy? (Score:5, Informative)
Geez, I bet you feel so warm and fuzzy all over. Remind me never to hire you.
Get a clue: Ubuntu is a product of the Canonical Corporation, as in "Corporation". It is backed by South African Mark Shuttlesworth, a rather wealthy guy you may have heard about when he bought a $20 million joyride to orbit. I have no reason to doubt his sincerity about all this "ubuntu philosophy" stuff, but it is a common advertising hook in South Africa.
Linux distributions should be judged on their technical and aesthetic merits, not on the pseudo-philosophical image they project for PR purposes. (You do understand that Progeny's site is designed to appeal to the market they want to sell to, and that Ubuntu's site is designed to appeal to people like you? You're being manipulated in either case.)
Feeling like you don't understand? (Score:2)
Yes, I do feel "warm and fuzzy all over". Most of my personal use of computers is because I *ENJOY* it, not because it's some tool that I *must* use.
As for hiring me, don't worry about it, if you're such an asshole, I'd quickly correct any such mistake if it were ever to occur.
Get a clue: Ubuntu is a product of the Canonical Corporation, as in "Corporation". It is backed by South African Mark Shuttlesworth, a rather wealthy gu
Re:Feeling like you don't understand? (Score:2)
Most people use computers for the same reason they use cars and refrigerators: as a means to an end, i.e., a tool.
>> (Ubuntu) is designed and run in a human-centered fashion. I don't care if it's backed by a corporation as long as that corporation is run by people who want first and foremost to change the world for the better, and only secondarily want to bilk that world
Ignoring
Re:Feeling like you don't understand? (Score:2)
So? My post didn't tell others what to pick, it stated what *I* pick.
Ignoring the fact that a phrase like "human-centered fashion" is devoid of meaning,
That you don't understand it, does not make it devoid of meaning. A "human-centered fashion" is one where, when a choice is presented, one would ask, "how does our choice benefit people?" instead of "how does our choice benefit [something o
Re:Feeling like you don't understand? (Score:2)
Profits benefit people. That's why we want to make a profit. The only alternative is loss.
>> also have a distro which has choices made that are things a person (namely, me) wants, instead of the types of choices a business wants.
Fine. Although I've been using Ubuntu and don't see any of their choices leap out as significantly different than any other Debian-based distribution. Be
Re:Feeling like you don't understand? (Score:2)
I never said profits are bad. In fact, I've already said they are good. Profits, however, are not the always best thing for people, which is what your simple Ayn Randian notion implies.
Some profits are not good to take. Ford, for example, should have either taken a complete loss on the Pinto (and not released it), or taken *less* profits (there goes your premise) and fixed the exploding gas tank problem.
Please tell
Re:Feeling Warm and Fuzzy? (Score:2)
And Ubuntu has many good technical merits to stand on. Its a wonderful mix of Fedora (easy to install, gnome based) and Debian (many packages that work, fast). If its not your thing, fine, but don't bite off someone's head for it.
You do understand that Progeny's site is designed to appeal to the market they want to sell to, and that Ubuntu's site is designed t
Re:Netcraft confirms it - Debian is Dead (Score:2)
dude, are you serious? Debian is the Choice of a New Generation. There seem to be a plethora of Debian-spawn springing up all over the place. Exciting to see. Starting with Mandrake and moving to Gentoo, I discovered how much better a package manager is when it's tied to a repository (Portage, in Gentoo's case). That's why, when I went looking for a new distro (hard drive crashed, didn't want to spend days compiling X, GNOME, and friends), I went to a Debian-based system. (I coulda gone with Fedora instead,
Benefit (Score:1)
torrent anyone? (Score:2)
Re:torrent anyone? (Score:2)
not a bad thing, just sayin''
release notes here [progeny.com]
features ? (Score:3, Interesting)
does it have nice "control panels" like mandrake,
suse and mepis have to setup various hardware and service options ?
selinux ? support options ? apt-get and debian source compatibility ?
visit the site right? already there. I'll let you know what I find..
how is this an ubuntu competitor ?? (Score:3, Interesting)
"aims to provide an unmatched "out of the box" environment for software
developers building applications for the Java, Mono/.NET and LAMP platforms."
This isn't needed anymroe... (Score:2)
No WAY would I give up the power of the new debian-installer to get the feel of anaconda.
a slight missed chance (Score:1)
With the new debian installer constantly being updated, i am starting to think progeny has missed it's chance. the new installer is far better than the old installer.
though debian does not have a good graphcal wizard based installer like anaconda, it is rapidly improveing, with a gtk+ based installer underway. making
Yegads (Score:2)
With all the griping about Debian's installer, I wonder how many times one actually installs a new distro on bare metal.
I have the same debian installation going for the past three years. Sure, I've upgraded the distribution to the latest stable release, but it didn't require a reinstallation, only an apt-get dist-upgrade.
The debian installer may not be the easiest installer around, but it works on all the platforms out there, and the main objection -- dselect -- isn't difficult if you RTFM [debian.org]
Re:Yegads (Score:1)
If you are installing it for home, you might find (like you) you don't have to wipe your workstation so often but I have a spare PC for just this reason, installing new stuff, tinkering around. So I instal
Re:Yegads (Score:2)
Depends. If you are working as IT technician in a company, you might find yourself installing something on a box reasonably frequently. On the other hand you would be installing it "for a reason" so you probably will end up with SuSE/Redhat for Oracle or (insert commercial product here). Same for desktops.
For debian servers in an IT environment, my impression is that most people skip dselect and install what they want through apt-get. Its trivial to make a quick list of packages you want on every ser
A little more info (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's their actual download page for the ISOs, [componentizedlinux.org] and the distro description page [componentizedlinux.org]. It mentions a bit more about what you're getting -- for one, this is RC-1 (not the release yet). More detail: I'm probably going to try it out (I'm a Java and LAMP developer..); I might wait for the release, though.
Vs. Ubuntu (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't see mention of anything like this for Progeny yet. So its less attractive then Ubuntu to me right now.