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Andreas writes
"Apple users could be glad to know that YellowDog Linux 4.0 is shipping. As always, Terrasoft, YDL producer, is selling PowerMacs with YDL pre-installed. Soon we could see ISOs available for free downloads, as in the past."
Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:5, Funny)
Soon we could see ISOs
Ahh, the certainty and conviction of your faith in both Terrasoft and the community of Linux enthusiasts using Mac platform is both reassuring and heartwarming.
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm the other way around now, since I need to run applications, I stopped running linux, I just use cygwin. And under OSX I run darwinports/fink. Not always perfect, but sure beats rebooting into another OS or running a vmware window. I use to be hardcore linux, but with OS's and gnu native (or near native), I dont see the need to boot into Linux. If I could just replace AQUA with icewm, I'd
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:3, Interesting)
I use Linux as my primary OS, but everyone seems to go to Mac because they like Aqua, not to mention the millions of Aqua knock-off themes available for almost every window manager.
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:1)
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:4, Interesting)
Basically, I've been using computers for over 20 years, and Apples gui is just different enough, if I dont pay attention it gets me. It doesnt do what I want, key combos, pulldown menus, window orders, cut/paste, just enough to be a little different.
KDE/Gnome/IceWM/*step and Windows are about same on key combos. IceWM is my preferred as I can configure it, and I like the low profile task bar. Icon with text. I dont have to move my mouse over the aqua bar over each icon to figure out which one I want.
I want things to be visual and quick to choose. If I have to slow down or have think about how things work, its annoying. Reflex for using the same key combos for years, change is good, but too much change and you have to re-learn your normal work pattern.
It would be different if I was only using 1 OS at a time, I want things to be a little more standard. One of the reasons I use KDE applications so much under OSX. Konsole is great for a tabbed term program. Now if I could get a Tabbed Putty for XP.
If I had to say the perfect desktop for getting work done, is IceWM with konsole tabbed terms and tabbed mozilla. Quick, fast, and I can dont have to hunt for which terminal window to work on. And a program bar(dock/etc) that doesnt take up much room is exactly what I need.
I wont go into visual, OSX is by far the most nice looking GUI, just not my perfect choice, but then, my list of windows annoyances is large also. (Number 1 with a bullet is Pop up windows while in the middle of typing...)
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:1)
-truth
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:2)
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:3, Interesting)
Keyboard shortcuts. I can't speak for anyone else, but one of the main reasons that I run Linux on my old Powerbook instead of OS X is that I hate using a trackpad, and I prefer to use keyboard shortcuts for as much as possible. Windowmaker is a hell of a lot more amenable to being used that way.
(That and the fact that my Powerbook is a G3/400 -- probably just on the hairy edge of usability for OS X, but nice and quick with Debian.)
--saint
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:1)
you should come see my g3/233 in action... like a slo-mo fall in one of the Rocky movies.
Re:Nice Cautious Optimism (Score:2)
this is not a troll. (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:this is not a troll. (Score:5, Informative)
Also, Yellow Dog Linux is Red Hat based whereas Ubuntu is Debian based. That's important to note.
That's all I can say without having tried Ubuntu. It really depends on what you want to do. Most people I know who use YDL use it on pre-G3 hardware that OS X doesn't support.
Re:this is not a troll. (Score:2)
unfortunately, even ydl seems to be giving up on oldworld (anything beige) macs. so now if a mac can't handle osx, it will probably have a hard time with ydl 4.0 as well.
from their site:
Yellow Dog Linux no longer officially supports OldWorld ROM computers (pre USB G3; ie: beige G3 desktops and towers). While this does not mean this version of Yellow Dog Linux does not function with these systems, the requred BootX b
Re:this is not a troll. (Score:2)
Thats great (Score:1, Interesting)
- thanks from a disgruntled YDL user
ISOs (Score:4, Funny)
The Terrasoft link is borked. (Score:2, Informative)
This might sound negative (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:This might sound negative (Score:1)
NOTE: The guys who do the h/w integration in the YDL tea
The Passion of the Converted. (Score:4, Interesting)
(Both of them, of course, are light years ahead of LinuxPPC, may it rest in peace. Yikes, that one was bad.)
--saint
Re:The Passion of the Converted. (Score:4, Informative)
And this problem is symptomatic; if you're going to run Debian on a Mac, try to get it on a newworld machine so you're not left tooling with BootX or (god forbid) Quik. There's very little documentation for oldworld machines and it seems like most people who went the Linux-on-Mac-hardware route stuck with vanilla distros like Yellowdog. I tried YD but hated yum; and now that everything (finally) works, I'm happy as a pig in shit with my Wallstreet laptop running Debian.
Re:The Passion of the Converted. (Score:3, Interesting)
I wonder... (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:I wonder... (Score:1)
An honest question. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:An honest question. (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you'll find most people run Linux on older macs to revive and get some more use out of older hardware...I wish I hadn't thrown out my 68k-based Mac so I could try NetBSD on it.
I could also see where someone might have a very specific need to run in 64-bit *now*, instead of waiting for Tiger next year; then a G5-specific Linux kernel like YDL 4 would fit the bill.
Re:An honest question. (Score:1)
Re:An honest question. (Score:3, Insightful)
Please dont flame me for this: but why would an OS X user want to install a linux distro?
Free upgrades!
Reply: Virtualization (Score:4, Informative)
Mac OS 9 administration - tools that only work with OS 9. I have a Blue and White G3 on my desk for the three times a month I have to do this. I would rather have a VM and get that ugly thing off my desk.
Mac OS X Server administration - it would be nice to have a VM that is always set up with a constant list of servers in Server Admin, Server Monitor, and Apple Remote Desktop. Today, I don't get this because of...
Application deployment automation - I do on the Mac what many people do with MSI or InstallShield on Windows. I figure out how to get applications onto 60+ Macs without having to visit each one, or even look at the installation procedure. Tools like FileWave, Radmind, and NetOctopus are great for this kind of thing, but in order to test the deployment, I prefer to have a clean machine, rather than one that I rip out the installed components, and maybe miss a few. VMs are wonderful for this.
For these reasons, I have tried almost every PPC Linux distro out there to find one that I don't hate which will make me more efficient in my job, making me happier, and thus raising the quality of life of everyone I work with.
See! Linux does make a positive contribution!
Re:An honest question. (Score:4, Insightful)
The cons of OS X is that as a unix, it's just not as well integrated as Debian. And Fink is neither well integrated in the OS, nor of very high quality. It is apt-get, but, like Yellow Dog, it doesn't do it as well as Debian. The packages are rarely updated, and some are just broken. So personally, I can just as well turn the question around, and ask rhetorically: Why would I reinstall OS X when all it does (for me!), is the same as Debian, but worse?
It's just that OS X, while nice, isn't the best solution for everyone. I'm a competent Debian user, and OS X gives me little that I don't have in Linux. So I guess the answer to your question would have to be: An OS X user would want to install Linux to see if it suits him or her better than OS X.
Re:$135 (Score:1)
Firewire booting anyone? (Score:3, Interesting)
Can anyone verify that this has been completed?
Of course I mean without partitioning the internal disk and setting up some funky bootloader... the ability to plug it in and boot externally from any ole Mac. If it does that I would be willing to pay for it, otherwise... no can do.
-Don.