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Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Ready For Download 336

joestar writes "The new Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community has just showed up on Mandrake's FTP mirrors and through Bittorrent. MandrakeClub Members benefit from extra CDs downloads and even a DVD ISO for Corporate Memberships! Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days." Update: 03/11 06:23 GMT by T : Cheap ISOs are also available from merchants like and CheapBytes.
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  • by Stevyn ( 691306 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:34PM (#8526010)
    This is good and all, but when's longhorn comming out? And more importantly, who's going to have the torrent for it?
    • by ekstasy ( 761064 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @07:04PM (#8526339)
      Personally, I'm a fan of SCO... but maybe thats just me.
    • More importantly, what does "Community" mean in this Mandrake release? Is this a pre 10.0 release of some sort - made available to everyone for testing? Will there be a new 10.0 final after this made available only to club members for the first X number of weeks (like 9.2 was). I remember seeing that 10.0 Community as available only to club members just last week.
      • by homer_ca ( 144738 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @07:40PM (#8526701)
        This [] should explain it:

        What follows is the development process for our next major release, Mandrake Linux 10.0:

        1) After the traditional debugging of several Beta and Release Candidates, the final version of "Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community" will be released in February/March. This version will be available for download and as a DVD-set through e-Commerce.

        2) Then a Mandrake Linux 10.0 Stable branch will be opened, based on Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community. Security updates and bug fixes will be applied to this tree and will be publicly available in real time.

        3) Two or three months later, in April/May, "Mandrake Linux 10.0 Official" will be created from the Mandrake 10.0 Stable branch. It will then be packaged for several products such as the Mandrake Linux PowerPack. Mandrake 10.0 Official ISO images will also be available for all contributors and Club Members; then, after a short delay, Mandrake Linux 10.0 Official Download Edition will be made available on public FTP mirrors.
  • To quote LL Cool J (Score:3, Insightful)

    by LittleLebowskiUrbanA ( 619114 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:35PM (#8526022) Homepage Journal
    Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.
    • Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.

      Well, and as long as you're quoting that particular song, you should quote the line that applies to the many fun times I had trying to get Mandrake to properly recognize my Thinkpad's wireless network card and video adapter:

      Makin the tears rain down like a monsoon
      • And now that Mandrake correctly detects my sound card on install, we can just continue right onto the next line:
        Listen to the bass go BOOM!

        /me is not ashamed of having accidentally memorized LL Cool J songs :-)
  • Thank you (Score:5, Funny)

    by Professor Cool Linux ( 759581 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:37PM (#8526041) Homepage
    My Torrent is SOOO much faster

    kids, this is a Great example of the good side of the /. effect
  • KDE 3.2! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:37PM (#8526047)
    It has KDE 3.2, which is worth an upgrade all in itself! KDE 3.2 is a worth while upgrade, for any distro, not just Mandrake. I have it on Gentoo, and it sure kicks the crap out of XP on the dark side of my pc.
    • I wonder if it has a patched 3.2 kde with the kmail fixes kde mentioned a few days after the release. kde 3.2.1 has TONS of fixes
      • Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:5, Informative)

        by leviramsey ( 248057 ) * on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:56PM (#8526257) Journal

        It does... Even though it's tagged as "3.2.0" it's really 3.2.1 (all the fixes from CVS have been integrated).

      • The fixes are in cooker (the development version, but frozzen at this time; so, basically, a 10.0 with bugfixes being tested).

        The mail:

        Re: [Cooker] what about updates ? ...SNIP...
        On Wednesday 10 March 2004 13:16,
        > > Here we go. kde 3.2.1 is out. Lots of fixes. Packages on the way ?
        Cooker is frozen.
        so we can't upload kde3.2.1.
        But I added all critical fix into kde3.2.0 p ackage for cooker (look at all
    • it sure kicks the crap out of XP on the dark side of my pc.

      Can you elaborate on this, please ? In what way does it beat XP ? speed , responsive ness , look and feel , usability ?

      I use KDE too, but I don't use XP, So I can't compare, but I would sure like to know more, than a mere blanket statement like , "KDE kicks crap out of so&so"

      • Having used both, I'd say the answer to you're question is "yes."

        (i.e., all of the above)
      • Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:4, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:51PM (#8526206)
        Speed, KDE 3.2 is a lot faster in this release. Windows XP is not as fast. Responsiveness too, look and feel is KDEs biggest strength, with over 11 different styles to choose from. unlike the kludge of Windows XP theming, which dosen't work a lot of the time. Certainly usabillity. Windows XP has made a lot of mistakes, I prefer KDE because it is better than 98/2000 but without errors of XP. KDE's best kept secret of course is the Control Center, you can make KDE do almost anything with it.
      • Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:5, Funny)

        by prockcore ( 543967 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:53PM (#8526220)
        I would sure like to know more, than a mere blanket statement like , "KDE kicks crap out of so&so"

        I think he means that KDE is a bully, always beating up other OSes. It's rude, unfriendly, and difficult to control.

        Aparently, KDE's parents didn't give it enough attention when it was young.
      • Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:5, Interesting)

        by naelurec ( 552384 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @07:22PM (#8526503) Homepage
        Well I'll give it a go..

        Pros for KDE -->

        - Wallet - makes storing passwords for KDE apps & websites secure and easy to manage.
        - Konquerer - has tabbed browsing and other modern browser features, IE does not have these.
        - Juk - great playlist based music player -- What does XP come with? Media Player? no thanks.
        - Windows can be "shaded", "always on top", borders removed, made to fill the entire screen, etc.. kinda nice IMHO..
        - Advanced keybindings
        - KDE-wide spell check .. very nice when typing in browser windows, etc..
        - Advanced, built in editors such as Quanta, Kate, etc..
        - Great multi-client IM (Kopete)
        - OpenPGP encryption integration -- works great with Kopete, Kontact, etc..etc..
        - Virtual desktops, fine-tuning over multi-monitor setups, etc..
        - IMHO, great print subsystem (kprinter/cups) -- certains aspects of W2k/XP seemed umm.. hacked on (ie usb printer setups)
        - Nice to look at Window decoration & widgets (plastik)
        - User-level font management control -- I don't think XP has this (only global fonts)
        - flexible sized panels (kicker/taskbar) -- make as many as you want, have them wherever you want, what size you want, etc...
        - kioslaves -- use of fish:/ is awesome -- utilize remote servers via SSH as if they were local file systems..
        - General responsiveness and speed seems better than XP -- XP seems to umm.. delay quite a bit for no apparent reason (ie 10-15 seconds or more at a time)

        Of course, these are just some of the things I like about KDE over XP .. But since you sound like a KDE user, you probably already utilize most of these features. Just be glad your using KDE :)
        • Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:3, Informative)

          by pingveno ( 708857 )

          - IMHO, great print subsystem (kprinter/cups) -- certains aspects of W2k/XP seemed umm.. hacked on (ie usb printer setups)

          I beg to differ. I've been having problems with my printer lately on Mandrake. Unlike in XP, where a printer icon waits in the tray, I had to go through. Cups is great - if you're on a network with print services with a Linux guru available. I'd like it if there was one program I could go to to access all the print configuration. Next version?

          Still, the print system is excellent -

    • Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:4, Informative)

      by joestar ( 225875 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:59PM (#8526285) Homepage
      Actually, Mandrakelinux 10.0 provides KDE 3.2 plus many patches that make it a KDE 3.2.1. Just for your information.
  • Huh? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Misch ( 158807 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:37PM (#8526049) Homepage
    "...Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days."

    What in sam hell is he saying? timothy, could you do your job as editor and edit some correct grammar into this fragment of a sentence?
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Mdk 10 is here but will miss these:

    kernel 2.6.4 out soon (not as big a deal)
    Gnome 2.6 out soon
    OpenOffice 1.1.1 out soon
    KDE 3.2.1 out now
    Gimp 2.0 out soon

    etc, etc, etc.

    It's hard to make a "splash" when the code is so old!

    • by Stevyn ( 691306 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:44PM (#8526134)
      This could go on forever though. Including gimp and openoffice makes it even worse. Companies that put these out don't just wake up one morning and decide to compile and release their projects. It takes companies like mandrake a lot of time to put these together and test them. To make a negative about this release that it won't have bleeding edge releases of other software is kind of petty. Besides, most of their users won't care and the ones that do will update their software once the new 3rd party apps come out.
      • I can'tsay about OpenOffice, but for sure I can for Gimp.

        I don't know anyone that still uses Gimp 1.2, and Gimp2 is probably one of the most tested pieces of software out there.

        I use it flawlesly now for almost half year. Ok, there were flaws but all I could find it is already patched now.

        Companies mostly don't test software, at least in OSS comunity. And there is a fact that Mandrake always used experimental kernel patches. So I can't see Mandrake as company as you mentioned
    • by straponego ( 521991 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:44PM (#8526135)
      Yeah, they should hold off on releasing the distribution until the final releases of all the packages are out!
    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:45PM (#8526147)
      Yes, but just remember that it already has made several radical upgrades, such as KDE 3.2, Kernel 2.6, Glibc with NPTL, Community Release process. Its far too much to do that all in one go.

      If you would like all that stuff, then there are other distros coming out soon, such as Fedora core 2, SuSE 9.1, Slackware 10, and don't forget constantly updated distros such as Gentoo.

      The Open Source Community is always rapidly changing, if Mandrake had waited for those packages to be released, then some other software would be around the corner and you would complain about that instead.
    • It's hard to make a "splash" when the code is so old!
      Bleeding edge code -- especially in large distros -- can be buggy because companies like Mandrake have to modify code to fit everything together. Many people like the stability assosciated with a distro, and those that don't can always compile everything themselves from scratch.
    • Kernel 2.6.3 (unless you use kernel-linus) in Mandrake includes many of the patches that will be in 2.6.4 (if you use Thomas Backlund's kernels, you'll get even more of those, along with pre-emption).

      KDE "3.2.0" in Mandrake has the 3.2.1 fixes included, despite being tagged as 3.2.0.

      Gimp 2.0 (or something similar) is in contribs and has been for a long time.

      • by RedBear ( 207369 ) <redbear@red b e a r n e> on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @11:12PM (#8528446) Homepage
        (Reiterating parent and replying to grandparent)

        Indeed, Mandrake patches almost everything up the yin-yang so that what you get when they make a release really is about the latest-and-greatest you could have gotten. Granted, GNOME 2.6 looks pretty awesome, to the point where this KDE-only user wants to try it out for a while to see whether it still makes me feel like I'm trapped in a box. (Anybody else feel that way about GNOME? It's the best analogy I can come up with for why I always reverted back to KDE. Nothing personal, just my perception of my past experiences with it.)

        But the main thing I would like to point out and have everyone else re-point-out, is that the Official release doesn't actually come out for a couple of months! At which point it will most likely contain KDE 3.2.2, GNOME 2.6.1, kernel 2.6.5, GIMP 2.0.x and whatever else has come out in the meantime, plus a whole bunch of bug-fixes, etc.

        But all that aside, I betcha you can't find another distro release that includes half of what Mandrake has managed to stuff into 10.0. It's gotten a pretty good run-through by the community already through all the beta and RC releases. I'll feel perfectly confident putting this on my day-to-day machine, and I'll be renewing my Silver membership shortly to help support a decent Linux company that puts out an outstanding product.

        That's right, I'll be "putting my money where my mouth is". Anyone who wants the next release of their favorite distro to be better should do the same instead of whining that a two-week-old release of a hugely complicated product doesn't contain software that was released two days ago.
    • Oh, crap. This is probably a gentoo troll because he mentions "traditional distros". Well, I have gentoo and right now everything is pretty updated because I just installed 2004.0 from the binary sources. But am I going to reinstall everything to keep up to date?

      No. I will update software only when it adds functionality or removes vulnerabilities. What is the difference between KDE 3.2.1 and 3.2.0? Not enough to effect me, I guess. But if you are updating from KDE 2.2, then you are making a large jump up.
    • That's what contrib is for
  • Is posting a .torrent of it, by someone who got it legal?
    I mean, great most of Linux is GNU but doesn't Mandrake include some proprietary pieces that would make distributing it to us random hackers illegal, or is the restriction just caused by bandwidth considerations?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:40PM (#8526084)
    I definitely prefer that to an increase of -10.00%!
  • Err... (Score:4, Funny)

    by mhlandrydotnet ( 677863 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:40PM (#8526085)
    Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days.

    I presume this means something along the lines of: more good news for the Mandrake community is that this new release has caused Mandrakesoft's stock to resume trading and is up 10% in three days.

    Could the editors at least make sure the posts are readible?

    • Re:Err... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Espectr0 ( 577637 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:42PM (#8526109) Journal
      Could the editors at least make sure the posts are readible?

      How about readable? :P
    • sorry it's my fault : I should have written " announce from Mandrakesoft that the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of 10.00% in three days.", or something like that...
  • Great (Score:5, Insightful)

    by iantri ( 687643 ) <> on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:41PM (#8526093) Homepage
    I'm glad Mandrake switched their release system to this -- a general, maybe a bit buggy, Community release, and then an official release a few months later with the bugs worked out.

    What Mandrake does is great; they produce a very nice desktop distribution, but it's no secret that their product tends to be incredibly buggy out of the box.

    Let's hope this helps them improve the quality of their releases!

    • and buggy it is. I upgraded from 9.2 to 10.0 and I have to say that while 10.0 is more visually stunning than 9.2, it has some annoying bugs. One is the mouse bug. The mouse bug basically occurs in the install, where it fails to detect your mouse. If you configure your mouse yourself, then the configuration tool won't work. While not a major bug (if you know to use draktools), its very annoying for those who are noobs to linux. Do I dislike mandrake? no. Even with bugs mandrake is great for those who want t
  • apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
  • by An-Unnecessarily-Lon ( 761026 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:43PM (#8526120) Journal
    I am waiting on a non-numberd version. I almos bit with OS-X. But at the last second I realized it was a roman # 10. Close.
  • by Wokan ( 14062 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:43PM (#8526122) Journal
    I've been a big fan of Mandrake since 5.3. I stuck with them through a few x.0 fiascos and rarely been affected by whatever mistakes people have discovered. That being said, what Mandrake's done with 10.0 and the idea of the community release is to shorten the beta and RC cycle down, releasing a distro that's "mostly ready" so the final bugs can be worked out before the "official" version. I translate that to the community release being just another release candidate and have no plans to install it on my regular use home system (as opposed to the beta testing system I normally leave on Cooker) until they get the rest of the kinks worked out.

    In the meantime, that former Cooker system is compiling the kernel for a LiveCD / i686 Stage 3 Gentoo 2004.0 install. I look forward to seeing just how different these 2 distros are to use on a daily basis. (Save any stage 1 for real performance comments. I did that back when 1.4 was released and didn't want to sit around so long again.)
  • 2.6.3 (Score:3, Informative)

    by moberry ( 756963 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:44PM (#8526125)
    Mandrakelinux 10.0 is based on Linux kernel 2.6.3

    Based on 2.6.3, I think that this is the first distro to use the 2.6 series by defult. I could be mistaken though. Debian has had sid packages for 2.6 for a while.

  • mmm...Money (Score:2, Insightful)

    While I use Fedora, and previously RedHat, I do love to see someone mking money (or at least loosing less) on a Linux Marketshare.
    The more money linux makes, the more money will get poured into it. So long as Linus doesn't sell out this is a good thing, and I like it.

    Maybey its time to give Mandrake a try, hows the support (ie, is there an up2date style thing thats free like in fedora?)?
  • by StevenMaurer ( 115071 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @06:59PM (#8526286) Homepage
    I'd prefer a better increase of +10.00000000000%

  • As a reminder (Score:4, Informative)

    by dacarr ( 562277 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @07:04PM (#8526345) Homepage Journal
    Remember that the 10.0 community is subject to updates. Go down past the FTP mirror list and read the blurb just above the straight directory trees. So what you see here is not necessarily what ou are going to get when 10.0 public comes out.

    In short, this is a final beta.

  • by 0mni ( 734493 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @07:12PM (#8526413)
    When I read this I wanted to skip the rest of class for the day so I could rush home and get Mandrake 10.0. Honestly I'm a die hard Linux supporter but out of laziness I'm still only a newbie, Mandrake is easy for me to set everything I need to, the Internet connection sharing makes my tiny home network a breeze to run and I feel much more secure with the knowledge that I am impervious to script kiddies.

    IMO Mandrake is going to become the desktop solution for windows migrators who need to have ease of use as much as anything else.

    If Mandrake 10.0 has been advanced as much as 9.2 did from 9.1 then this dist should be getting damn near perfect for what I want. Not that 9.2 is all that far from it.
    Sigh....if only I had a hill close enough by for me to shout from.
    • >>When I read this I wanted to skip the rest of class...

      Son, I think you and I need to have a little talk about your grades tonight.
      Your Dad

      Seriously, though, if you're reading & posting to /. DURING CLASS you might as well not be there.
  • Linux alone has so many distros to try on, while I welcome such variety and swift updates, I also find myself grasping for breath after a couple of such releases.

    Yes, unlike most people, I'm still on a 56K dial-up connection.

    so sometimes I find myself waiting for so-and-so releases to be available on a magazine CD before I do the 'upgrades', and we're talking about weeks if not months.

    I'm wondering if there are others who are in the similar 56K boat like myself, and feel that another group is slowly pull
    • Or even browse eBay. That's how I got SuSE 8.1 and 8.2 when they came out. It's how I'd get Debian or Slackware if I wanted all 7 discs. It only costs a couple bucks and you don't need to spend hours downloading. No need to feel separated from the broadband folks :)
    • I can buy the 3 download cds for 3 euros, the update cd is at 2.6 euros, and another 3euros for the 3 source cd if i need them.
      The mail is around 1 euro, same for taxes.
      Don't you have such a service in your country? That makes it a little less expensive than the magasine but much faster. And the service I use give back to the fsf.
  • I got impatient and installed 9.2 last night.
  • 10.0 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DrugCheese ( 266151 ) on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @07:31PM (#8526572)
    Wow maybe I'm just not a fan of Mandrake, the first time someone gave me a CD to help them install it I literally thought it was a prank someone was playing. I laugh at AOL commercials who have 9.0 version out with 'hundreds of new features' and just now realized how quickly linux versions jump numbers. Looked at an old Slackware disc I got from cheapbytes think it was 3.6 and now they're up to 9.0+ now, and have to ask myself have there really been that many huge changes to their distrobution to have it be a major release each time? I'm a big SuSE advocate and even with them wonder why it's 9.0 all of a sudden. Many of my machines are still running SuSE 7.2 and upgraded to that from 5.3 and 6.3.

    10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?

    I guess numbers mean squat to me anymore.

    • Free upgrades. At least with Mandrake, why not release frequently? The upgrade is free and generally does include nice new features (and fancy KDE updates and such). This one inculdes the new kernel. If you like Mandrake and didn't wan't to do the full disk download I'd suggest doing an internet *upgrade* (ie point in to an active mirror and let it download only the updated files). If you'd like your system to simply do package updates try Mandrake cooker, bleeding edge with new software packages released c
      • Windows XP (is that a numeral?)

        We've been over this before []

        XP is the first two letters of the Greek word Christos (Chi rho iota sigma tau omicon sigma)

        There are two interpretations, depending on your opinion of Windows:

        1. XP is the Savior of Windows
        2. Using it is like being brutally tortured to death by an Evil Empire that considers you a disruptive influence and threat to its power.
    • You're right, it is ridiculous.

      Debian is at 2.2 (IIRC), a more reasonable number, although a little on the low side.

      Slackware jumped becasue Volkerding decided that his distro couldn't compete against the others when they started artificially bumping up the numbers, so he jumped his from 4 to 7.

      Since then, distro's seem to inflate their numbers to stay ahead of the competition, I guess since people don't understand that Libranet 2.1 is not older than Mandrake 10. (Notice the number of references to "L

    • Redhat, for instance, ups the X.0 every time it breaks compatability. So that is why they jump from 8.0-> 9.0, for example. Whatever critical package(X Server or something) that breaks compat. with the old version get a whole new X.0 version.

      "10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?"
      Yes, and debian will still be on kernel v. 2.4.x!"

      (i'm mostly kidding...)
    • Re:10.0 (Score:3, Funny)

      by Cro Magnon ( 467622 )
      10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?

      Bah! Gentoo is already up to 2004!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 10, 2004 @07:49PM (#8526808)
    I'm presently a Fedora user. I used to be a Mandrake user. I look at Mandrake as a distro that strives to be simple enough for a newbie/former-Windows user, but seems to lack good QA processes. I've followed Mandrake's releases enthusiastically for years (I think version 5(?) was the first one I tried) until I found that version 9 *still* took forever to automount data CDs. I'd put in a data CD, and Konqueror would freeze for several seconds (30+) when I would try to access it. And you know what this equates to for the average computer user? "Linux is slow," that's what. And that doesn't help anyone. Heck, I even gave Mandrake Move a try, and the problem's STILL there! Knoppix doesn't do it, so what gives?

    Don't get me wrong; my whole world doesn't revolve around automount; it's just a good example of Mandrake's operations. I'm of the mind that if you're going to put a convenience feature in the software, for God's sake make it work right, or just leave it out! Like it or not, if you're trying to get Windows users to switch, you'll need a working automount for CDs--forcing them to learn to use mount on the command-line when they shouldn't have to is not an option if you're serious about user-friendliness.

    Oh, and another thing that bugged me--they included this autorun program on the CD that would supposedly allow one to begin the Mandrake installation from Windows, but clicking the "install" button never did anything. Good way to persuade Windows users to use your product! Why even include it? Typical Mandrake. I posted this to the bug tracker (and found I wasn't the first), but even as of version 9--and I think 9.1--they still didn't fix it. So I never joined the Mandrake Club (I came close), and just stopped using Mandrake altogether, because it seemed to me they would probably never get their act together completely. Maybe now that they're trying to emulate Red Hat's business model they will be able to limp along a while longer. Right now I've got a Fedora Core 1 install that works great, and Mandrake is just something I'd rather forget.

    I'm sorry if this info is of no use to anyone; mod me down as you see fit. Who knows, maybe all the stuff I mentioned is fixed in this new Community release? Maybe, but given Mandrake's track record, I doubt it.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I just signed up last week after the announcement
    of 10.0 being available to club members. So
    I signed up and they charged my credit card
    and haven't sent me my account/password. They
    are also ignoring my emails. The FAQ states
    they will send a login and password within
    an hour if order via credit card. Am I missing
    something here? Their site is horrible IMHO, to
    difficult to find anything useful.
  • by glMatrixMode ( 631669 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @02:52AM (#8529626)
    I used to be a faithful user of Mandrake, and even bought them 3 powerpacks (7.1, 9.1 and 9.2) just to support them. But I've just dropped them in favor of Slackware (which, by the way, I now consider to be a much better distro except for beginners).

    Why ?

    Because Mandrakesoft is running a more and more weird policy to force us to suscribe to their "club" - for which we'd have to pay $5 or $10 a month - and to systematically buy their product rather than downloading it.

    For example, the new "release scheme" they're running for 10.0 is just a PR-disguise of something that actually amounts to :
    1) First, Community=Beta=Buggy version available in stores (only for brain-dead fanboys)
    2) Then, Community=Beta=Buggy version available on BT/FTP
    3) Then, Official=Stable version available in stores
    4) Then, Download Edition = Castrated Edition on BT/FTP (but will you really want that ?)

    Moreover, don't forget that *even* if you buy it, you don't get access to the upgrades. For this, you *have* to join the "club". Now this is getting more and more difficult to work around. I mean, as Mandrake adds more and more layers between the user and plain old UNIX, it's being more and more difficult to upgrade important pieces of software for a Mandrake system. If you want to update your kernel or your qt+kde system or (when the licences issues will be over...) your X server, unless you're very skilled, you'll have more and more problems to do it directly from the plain sources. Joining the club tends to be necessary. So here's an algorithm to help you choose your distro :

    if (Level <= Beginner
    && OkToPayPerMonth >= 5 * __DOLLARS__
    && CareAboutIdeology == false
    && WantToReallyLearn (UNIX) == false)
    {... //Don't want to start a religion war here.
  • by Jugalator ( 259273 ) on Thursday March 11, 2004 @08:51AM (#8530706) Journal
    How well does Linux 2.6.3, which distro builds on, support Serial ATA drives?

    I'm using a Maxtor DiamondMax 9 Plus @ 160 GB. The mainboard is a Abit IS7 and I *think* the SATA controller is from SiliconImage.

    When I recently tried out Knoppix, the entire OS (or at least the GUI) froze whenever I tried to access the auto-detected hard drive. However, it's based on 2.4.x and I have a feeling it was due to my SATA drive and lack of controller support.

    I'm relatively new to Linux after a longish break, but was thinking about picking up on it again. But I don't really want to start by messing around with SATA drivers, as it seems to be both a rather complex task for a newbie and a risky task too, as I'm dealing with low-level stuff that I fear could corrupt data if done wrong.

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