




Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Ready For Download 336
joestar writes "The new Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community has just showed up on Mandrake's FTP mirrors and through Bittorrent. MandrakeClub Members benefit from extra CDs downloads and even a DVD ISO for Corporate Memberships! Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days." Update: 03/11 06:23 GMT by T : Cheap ISOs are also available from merchants like OSDisc.com and CheapBytes.
But what about longhorn (Score:4, Funny)
Re:But what about longhorn (Score:5, Funny)
Re:But what about longhorn (Score:3, Funny)
It is.
What does "Community" mean? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What does "Community" mean? (Score:5, Informative)
What follows is the development process for our next major release, Mandrake Linux 10.0:
1) After the traditional debugging of several Beta and Release Candidates, the final version of "Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community" will be released in February/March. This version will be available for download and as a DVD-set through e-Commerce.
2) Then a Mandrake Linux 10.0 Stable branch will be opened, based on Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community. Security updates and bug fixes will be applied to this tree and will be publicly available in real time.
3) Two or three months later, in April/May, "Mandrake Linux 10.0 Official" will be created from the Mandrake 10.0 Stable branch. It will then be packaged for several products such as the Mandrake Linux PowerPack. Mandrake 10.0 Official ISO images will also be available for all contributors and Club Members; then, after a short delay, Mandrake Linux 10.0 Official Download Edition will be made available on public FTP mirrors.
Re:Thank you (Score:5, Funny)
And when MS does finally release people complain about forced upgrades.
To quote LL Cool J (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:To quote LL Cool J (Score:3, Funny)
Well, and as long as you're quoting that particular song, you should quote the line that applies to the many fun times I had trying to get Mandrake to properly recognize my Thinkpad's wireless network card and video adapter:
Makin the tears rain down like a monsoon
Re:To quote LL Cool J (Score:3)
Listen to the bass go BOOM!
Re:To quote LL Cool J (Score:2)
Thank you (Score:5, Funny)
THANKYOU
kids, this is a Great example of the good side of the
Re:Thank you (Score:5, Funny)
KDE 3.2! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:2)
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:5, Informative)
It does... Even though it's tagged as "3.2.0" it's really 3.2.1 (all the fixes from CVS have been integrated).
From cooker (Score:2)
The mail:
Re: [Cooker] what about updates ?
On Wednesday 10 March 2004 13:16,
> > Here we go. kde 3.2.1 is out. Lots of fixes. Packages on the way ?
Cooker is frozen.
so we can't upload kde3.2.1.
But I added all critical fix into kde3.2.0 p ackage for cooker (look at all
changelogs)
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:3, Insightful)
Can you elaborate on this, please ? In what way does it beat XP ? speed , responsive ness , look and feel , usability ?
I use KDE too, but I don't use XP, So I can't compare, but I would sure like to know more, than a mere blanket statement like , "KDE kicks crap out of so&so"
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:2)
(i.e., all of the above)
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:2)
[hangs head in shame]
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:5, Funny)
I think he means that KDE is a bully, always beating up other OSes. It's rude, unfriendly, and difficult to control.
Aparently, KDE's parents didn't give it enough attention when it was young.
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:5, Interesting)
Pros for KDE -->
- Wallet - makes storing passwords for KDE apps & websites secure and easy to manage.
- Konquerer - has tabbed browsing and other modern browser features, IE does not have these.
- Juk - great playlist based music player -- What does XP come with? Media Player? no thanks.
- Windows can be "shaded", "always on top", borders removed, made to fill the entire screen, etc.. kinda nice IMHO..
- Advanced keybindings
- KDE-wide spell check
- Advanced, built in editors such as Quanta, Kate, etc..
- Great multi-client IM (Kopete)
- OpenPGP encryption integration -- works great with Kopete, Kontact, etc..etc..
- Virtual desktops, fine-tuning over multi-monitor setups, etc..
- IMHO, great print subsystem (kprinter/cups) -- certains aspects of W2k/XP seemed umm.. hacked on (ie usb printer setups)
- Nice to look at Window decoration & widgets (plastik)
- User-level font management control -- I don't think XP has this (only global fonts)
- flexible sized panels (kicker/taskbar) -- make as many as you want, have them wherever you want, what size you want, etc...
- kioslaves -- use of fish:/ is awesome -- utilize remote servers via SSH as if they were local file systems..
- General responsiveness and speed seems better than XP -- XP seems to umm.. delay quite a bit for no apparent reason (ie 10-15 seconds or more at a time)
Of course, these are just some of the things I like about KDE over XP
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:3, Informative)
- IMHO, great print subsystem (kprinter/cups) -- certains aspects of W2k/XP seemed umm.. hacked on (ie usb printer setups)
I beg to differ. I've been having problems with my printer lately on Mandrake. Unlike in XP, where a printer icon waits in the tray, I had to go through. Cups is great - if you're on a network with print services with a Linux guru available. I'd like it if there was one program I could go to to access all the print configuration. Next version?
Still, the print system is excellent -
Maybe God is trying to tell you something. (Score:2)
Well, if you're certain that all of the hardware you are working with is supposed to be supported, then I guess you just have bad luck. (Or maybe bad karma?)
Sucks to be you.
Re:KDE 3.2! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:KDE 3.2.0 Faster...If you set it up right. (Score:3, Informative)
I can say that on my system at least, it had some significant gains in speed from KDE 3.1.x, aside from speed gains from the new kernel. I'm using Debian and didn't bother updating the kernel to 2.6 for a while, but in the meantime did do the kde 3.2 and experienced a pretty good speed increase. Though there was even more when I finally did update the kernel - in fact I did it after playing with a test release of Mandrake 10. 3.2 plus 2.6 had such a great ef
Huh? (Score:3, Funny)
What in sam hell is he saying? timothy, could you do your job as editor and edit some correct grammar into this fragment of a sentence?
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
All it says is that they're paying off soem debt, and are issuing more shares of stock.
Also, the "nice increase of +10.00% in three days" sentence fragment is confusing. A "." in european terms is similar in meaning to a comma in western terms. Is this just 10%, or is it 1000%
Re:Huh? (Score:3, Insightful)
Trouble with traditional distros (Score:2, Interesting)
kernel 2.6.4 out soon (not as big a deal)
Gnome 2.6 out soon
OpenOffice 1.1.1 out soon
KDE 3.2.1 out now
Gimp 2.0 out soon
etc, etc, etc.
It's hard to make a "splash" when the code is so old!
Re:Trouble with traditional distros (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Trouble with traditional distros (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't know anyone that still uses Gimp 1.2, and Gimp2 is probably one of the most tested pieces of software out there.
I use it flawlesly now for almost half year. Ok, there were flaws but all I could find it is already patched now.
Companies mostly don't test software, at least in OSS comunity. And there is a fact that Mandrake always used experimental kernel patches. So I can't see Mandrake as company as you mentioned
Re:Trouble with traditional distros (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Trouble with traditional distros (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Trouble with traditional distros (Score:5, Insightful)
If you would like all that stuff, then there are other distros coming out soon, such as Fedora core 2, SuSE 9.1, Slackware 10, and don't forget constantly updated distros such as Gentoo.
The Open Source Community is always rapidly changing, if Mandrake had waited for those packages to be released, then some other software would be around the corner and you would complain about that instead.
Re:Trouble with traditional distros (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Trouble with traditional distros (Score:3, Informative)
Kernel 2.6.3 (unless you use kernel-linus) in Mandrake includes many of the patches that will be in 2.6.4 (if you use Thomas Backlund's kernels, you'll get even more of those, along with pre-emption).
KDE "3.2.0" in Mandrake has the 3.2.1 fixes included, despite being tagged as 3.2.0.
Gimp 2.0 (or something similar) is in contribs and has been for a long time.
Re:Trouble with traditional distros (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed, Mandrake patches almost everything up the yin-yang so that what you get when they make a release really is about the latest-and-greatest you could have gotten. Granted, GNOME 2.6 looks pretty awesome, to the point where this KDE-only user wants to try it out for a while to see whether it still makes me feel like I'm trapped in a box. (Anybody else feel that way about GNOME? It's the best analogy I can come up with for why I always reverted back to KDE. Nothing personal, just my perception of my past experiences with it.)
But the main thing I would like to point out and have everyone else re-point-out, is that the Official release doesn't actually come out for a couple of months! At which point it will most likely contain KDE 3.2.2, GNOME 2.6.1, kernel 2.6.5, GIMP 2.0.x and whatever else has come out in the meantime, plus a whole bunch of bug-fixes, etc.
But all that aside, I betcha you can't find another distro release that includes half of what Mandrake has managed to stuff into 10.0. It's gotten a pretty good run-through by the community already through all the beta and RC releases. I'll feel perfectly confident putting this on my day-to-day machine, and I'll be renewing my Silver membership shortly to help support a decent Linux company that puts out an outstanding product.
That's right, I'll be "putting my money where my mouth is". Anyone who wants the next release of their favorite distro to be better should do the same instead of whining that a two-week-old release of a hugely complicated product doesn't contain software that was released two days ago.
Re:Trouble with traditional distros (Score:3, Insightful)
No. I will update software only when it adds functionality or removes vulnerabilities. What is the difference between KDE 3.2.1 and 3.2.0? Not enough to effect me, I guess. But if you are updating from KDE 2.2, then you are making a large jump up.
Good thing about Linux community (Score:2)
What's the legal status of the DVD? (Score:2, Interesting)
I mean, great most of Linux is GNU but doesn't Mandrake include some proprietary pieces that would make distributing it to us random hackers illegal, or is the restriction just caused by bandwidth considerations?
Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/2 3 60 6.html
Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? (Score:2, Insightful)
They don't included SSL support, Apache and OpenSSH?
Re:What's the legal status of the DVD? (Score:5, Informative)
An increase of +10.00%? (Score:5, Funny)
Err... (Score:4, Funny)
I presume this means something along the lines of: more good news for the Mandrake community is that this new release has caused Mandrakesoft's stock to resume trading and is up 10% in three days.
Could the editors at least make sure the posts are readible?
Re:Err... (Score:5, Funny)
How about readable?
Re:I hate replying when my post is a gp but.. (Score:2)
Subscribers get the opportunity to spot warts, but sending an email to editors@slashdot is too time-consuming... 'twould be much better if there was a link in stories From the Mysterious Future to a form where "editorial comments" (additional links of interest, spelling/grammar nits, etc.) could be posted and visible by all editors (and only editors).
I get the distinct impression that large amounts of mail to editors@slashdot gets /dev/null'd immediately.
Re:Err... (Score:2)
Great (Score:5, Insightful)
What Mandrake does is great; they produce a very nice desktop distribution, but it's no secret that their product tends to be incredibly buggy out of the box.
Let's hope this helps them improve the quality of their releases!
Re:Great (Score:2)
Happy packets eating everyone! (Score:2, Funny)
Mandrake XP? (Score:5, Funny)
Mandrake's been great but... (Score:4, Interesting)
In the meantime, that former Cooker system is compiling the kernel for a LiveCD / i686 Stage 3 Gentoo 2004.0 install. I look forward to seeing just how different these 2 distros are to use on a daily basis. (Save any stage 1 for real performance comments. I did that back when 1.4 was released and didn't want to sit around so long again.)
2.6.3 (Score:3, Informative)
Based on 2.6.3, I think that this is the first distro to use the 2.6 series by defult. I could be mistaken though. Debian has had sid packages for 2.6 for a while.
Re:2.6.3 (Score:2)
FC2 uses 2.6
Re:2.6.3 (Score:2)
Re:2.6.3 (Score:2)
Re:2.6.3 (Score:2)
mmm...Money (Score:2, Insightful)
The more money linux makes, the more money will get poured into it. So long as Linus doesn't sell out this is a good thing, and I like it.
Maybey its time to give Mandrake a try, hows the support (ie, is there an up2date style thing thats free like in fedora?)?
A nice increase of +10.00% in three days.? (Score:4, Funny)
As a reminder (Score:4, Informative)
In short, this is a final beta.
I almost wet my pants..... (Score:3, Funny)
IMO Mandrake is going to become the desktop solution for windows migrators who need to have ease of use as much as anything else.
If Mandrake 10.0 has been advanced as much as 9.2 did from 9.1 then this dist should be getting damn near perfect for what I want. Not that 9.2 is all that far from it.
Sigh....if only I had a hill close enough by for me to shout from.
Re:I almost wet my pants..... (Score:2)
Son, I think you and I need to have a little talk about your grades tonight.
---
Your Dad
Seriously, though, if you're reading & posting to
The Open Digital Divide? (Score:2, Interesting)
Yes, unlike most people, I'm still on a 56K dial-up connection.
so sometimes I find myself waiting for so-and-so releases to be available on a magazine CD before I do the 'upgrades', and we're talking about weeks if not months.
I'm wondering if there are others who are in the similar 56K boat like myself, and feel that another group is slowly pull
try almostfreelinux.com (Score:2)
--
Re:The Open Digital Divide? (Score:2)
The mail is around 1 euro, same for taxes.
Don't you have such a service in your country? That makes it a little less expensive than the magasine but much faster. And the service I use give back to the fsf.
Oh darn. (Score:2)
10.0 (Score:3, Interesting)
10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?
I guess numbers mean squat to me anymore.
One word.. (Score:2)
The Name of XP (Score:2)
We've been over this before [slashdot.org]
There are two interpretations, depending on your opinion of Windows:
Re:10.0 (Score:2)
Debian is at 2.2 (IIRC), a more reasonable number, although a little on the low side.
Slackware jumped becasue Volkerding decided that his distro couldn't compete against the others when they started artificially bumping up the numbers, so he jumped his from 4 to 7.
Since then, distro's seem to inflate their numbers to stay ahead of the competition, I guess since people don't understand that Libranet 2.1 is not older than Mandrake 10. (Notice the number of references to "L
Re:10.0 (Score:2)
"10 years from now will we have SuSE 24.2?"
Yes, and debian will still be on kernel v. 2.4.x!"
(i'm mostly kidding...)
Re:10.0 (Score:3, Funny)
Bah! Gentoo is already up to 2004!
I've given up on Mandrake (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong; my whole world doesn't revolve around automount; it's just a good example of Mandrake's operations. I'm of the mind that if you're going to put a convenience feature in the software, for God's sake make it work right, or just leave it out! Like it or not, if you're trying to get Windows users to switch, you'll need a working automount for CDs--forcing them to learn to use mount on the command-line when they shouldn't have to is not an option if you're serious about user-friendliness.
Oh, and another thing that bugged me--they included this autorun program on the CD that would supposedly allow one to begin the Mandrake installation from Windows, but clicking the "install" button never did anything. Good way to persuade Windows users to use your product! Why even include it? Typical Mandrake. I posted this to the bug tracker (and found I wasn't the first), but even as of version 9--and I think 9.1--they still didn't fix it. So I never joined the Mandrake Club (I came close), and just stopped using Mandrake altogether, because it seemed to me they would probably never get their act together completely. Maybe now that they're trying to emulate Red Hat's business model they will be able to limp along a while longer. Right now I've got a Fedora Core 1 install that works great, and Mandrake is just something I'd rather forget.
I'm sorry if this info is of no use to anyone; mod me down as you see fit. Who knows, maybe all the stuff I mentioned is fixed in this new Community release? Maybe, but given Mandrake's track record, I doubt it.
Please explain Mandrake Club! (Score:2, Interesting)
of 10.0 being available to club members. So
I signed up and they charged my credit card
and haven't sent me my account/password. They
are also ignoring my emails. The FAQ states
they will send a login and password within
an hour if order via credit card. Am I missing
something here? Their site is horrible IMHO, to
difficult to find anything useful.
This is where I've dropped Mandrake (Score:3, Insightful)
Why ?
Because Mandrakesoft is running a more and more weird policy to force us to suscribe to their "club" - for which we'd have to pay $5 or $10 a month - and to systematically buy their product rather than downloading it.
For example, the new "release scheme" they're running for 10.0 is just a PR-disguise of something that actually amounts to
1) First, Community=Beta=Buggy version available in stores (only for brain-dead fanboys)
2) Then, Community=Beta=Buggy version available on BT/FTP
3) Then, Official=Stable version available in stores
4) Then, Download Edition = Castrated Edition on BT/FTP (but will you really want that ?)
Moreover, don't forget that *even* if you buy it, you don't get access to the upgrades. For this, you *have* to join the "club". Now this is getting more and more difficult to work around. I mean, as Mandrake adds more and more layers between the user and plain old UNIX, it's being more and more difficult to upgrade important pieces of software for a Mandrake system. If you want to update your kernel or your qt+kde system or (when the licences issues will be over...) your X server, unless you're very skilled, you'll have more and more problems to do it directly from the plain sources. Joining the club tends to be necessary. So here's an algorithm to help you choose your distro
How is the Serial ATA support? (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm using a Maxtor DiamondMax 9 Plus @ 160 GB. The mainboard is a Abit IS7 and I *think* the SATA controller is from SiliconImage.
When I recently tried out Knoppix, the entire OS (or at least the GUI) froze whenever I tried to access the auto-detected hard drive. However, it's based on 2.4.x and I have a feeling it was due to my SATA drive and lack of controller support.
I'm relatively new to Linux after a longish break, but was thinking about picking up on it again. But I don't really want to start by messing around with SATA drivers, as it seems to be both a rather complex task for a newbie and a risky task too, as I'm dealing with low-level stuff that I fear could corrupt data if done wrong.
Re:Does it have Kernel 2.6? (Score:5, Informative)
System overview
Mandrakelinux 10.0 features the following software:
Kernel 2.6.3
XFree86 4.3
Glibc 2.3.3 with Native POSIX Threads Library (NPTL) support
GCC 3.3.2
Apache 2.0.48, Samba 3.0.2, MySQL 4.0.18
ProFTPD 1.2.9, Postfix 2.0.18, OpenSSH 3.6.1p2
KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4.2, IceWM 1.2.13
OpenOffice.org 1.1, KOffice 1.3, Gnumeric 1.2.6
Mozilla 1.6, The GIMP 1.2.5, XMMS 1.2.9
OpenSSH 3.6.1p2 (Score:2)
Perhaps the September 2003 string of 3.7 exploits scared them off.
Re:SuSE Linux (Score:2, Informative)
- Right click on the Panel (bar across the bottom), select "Configure Panel"
- On the window that pops up, click the Menus tab
- Towards the bottom of the pane, see "QuickStart Menu Items" for your options.
- Click OK/Apply.
Re:SuSE Linux (Score:4, Interesting)
> SuSE Linux installs more easily,
That's in the eye of the beholder, but I'm happy with the Mandrake 10.0 install process. The only problem I have with it is the configuration of wireless cards in that it's fairly complicated as compared to others.
> has a few nice mods to KDE (including recently used programs' links, ALA Windows XP style)
IIRC, that's standard in KDE 3.2+. The Mandrake 10.0 distro that I'm running right now has the "Most Used Applications" as well as "Recently Used Programs." I don't think that's a SuSE-only mod.
> and has YaST, a package installer GUI for rpms.
urpmi, and the gui of it, gurpmi, as well as rpmdrake and mandrakeupdate. IMHO, it doesn't get easier than clicking on it through the mandrake control center.
> YaST also functions to easily change configurations for NICs, displays, TV tuner cards, and more.
I've been able to change from my display on my laptop to my tv screen flawlessly. Also, Mandrake appears to be able to handle a change of my hardware without blinking, provided that it is of course, supported. I don't think that it's a distro thing, much more than a kernel/module thing.
Now, I'm not here to play the "My distro can beat up your distro" game, but let's not imply that SuSE can do all of these things, and Mandrake can't
Re:SuSE Linux (Score:2)
No let's not.
Re:ATI Radeon problem? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:ATI Radeon problem? (Score:2)
Re:ATI Radeon problem? (Score:2)
Not sure about a fix, but it's at least something you can check.
Re:ATI Radeon problem? (Score:2)
Go to here [ati.com] to pick up the (binary-only) drivers for your Radeon.
Re:P2P (Score:4, Informative)
No, they torrented the CD (Score:2)
Re:P2P (Score:2, Informative)
This script was able to make a DVD image from the CD images.
It's for Red Hat, but works with Mandrake too.
Re:Any chance of a cd-live version? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:MandrakeClub (Score:5, Insightful)
You pay them money, they give you stuff (software, drivers) that they can't include in the download edition because it's not free.
Unless you're RMS, what's the problem?
Re:MandrakeClub (Score:2)
However I can't blame them for asking for money for a more complete product.
Re:What am I paying for? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:What am I paying for? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Speedtouch modems (Score:2)
Comment removed (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Torrent bah! (Score:2, Informative)
As of right now I'm downloading 102 k/sec. If...and I repeat *IF* you were actually able to connect to one of those slashdotted ftp mirrors, do you really think you'd get downloads of 102 k/sec?
In my book, any file transfer tec