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Knoppix 3.3 Update, 3.4 C't Edition Are Out 269

hkfczrqj writes "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't edition is out (torrent here). It is supposed to have kernel 2.6!" And it does. If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way -- but note that the ct edition Knoppix boots into German (Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us") and kernel 2.4; you'll need to type "knoppix26" at startup to boot the new kernel. (You may find the excellent forums at helpful, too.) Update: 02/10 01:03 GMT by T : Note that the XFree version is really 4.3, not 3.4.
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Knoppix 3.3 Update, 3.4 C't Edition Are Out

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  • by beh ( 4759 ) * on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:08PM (#8232439)

    The download mirrors still have a packages-dvd.txt file listing all the packages of the DVD version. But is this version available for download somewhere (with DVD burners becoming more and more common, I would assume, that this image should appear somewhere as well... ;-)

    Alas - the packages-dvd.txt is pretty old - does that mean, the DVD doesn't get updated any more? (Again - I think it would be a shame - it would be really great to have a really filled up live system that could be used to REALLY show off linux some more... ;-)
  • XFree 3.4? (Score:4, Funny)

    by whenyouargue ( 649638 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:09PM (#8232446)
    that's quite a step back ;)

    it has 4.3
  • Great tool (Score:3, Interesting)

    by drcagn ( 715012 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:10PM (#8232458) Homepage
    It seems like other distributions have been following in the way of Knoppix... I tried MandrakeMove but Knoppix really blows it away. Can't wait to see what Gentoo's catalyst bootCD maker turns out like... :)
    • Gentoo could be interesting. The main thing keeping me back from Knoppix on my laptop is that it doesn't (or didn't before, I haven't checked these two new releases) include the prism54 driver, so I'd be networkless, and it looks like its moderately painful to customize.
      • Re:Great tool (Score:4, Informative)

        by MRoharr ( 243317 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:48PM (#8232814)
        from the changelog, take a look at the second to last option

        * V3.3-2004-02-09 (Updates)
        - Kernel 2.4.24-xfs
        - KDE 3.1.5 from Debian/unstable
        - mozilla 1.6 from Debian/unstable
        - fixed Knoppix-Terminalserver problem with new libacl
        - XFree 3.4 from Debian/experimental
        - removed prelink (caused memory leaks under certain conditions)
        - removed for space reasons: kjots, kcoloredit
        - added drivers for wireless cards
        - the usual apt-get upgrade
    • Go try Mepis. It blows Knoppix away.... Tons faster.
    • Yes but remember the first live gui CD ... Disk 2 of Slackware. First had it running in 1999.

  • other 2.6 distros (Score:5, Informative)

    by another misanthrope ( 688068 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:10PM (#8232464)
    Distrowatch weekly [] has a list of distros that contain the 2.6 kernel:

    # Fedora Core, development branch (2.6.1)
    # Mandrake Linux 10.0-beta2 (2.6.2rc3)
    # Debian unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.0)
    # Gentoo unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
    # Arch Linux 0.6 (development), not the default kernel (2.6.2)
    # Sorcerer, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
    # Conectiva Linux 10-TP2 (2.6.1)
    # Magic Linux 1.2pre5, a Chinese desktop distribution (2.6.0)
    # Berry Linux 0.36, a Japanese live CD (2.6.2rc3)
    # Bluewall Linux 1.0, a minimalist distribution (2.6.0)
    # JoLinux 1.0, a Slackware-based Brazilian desktop distribution (2.6.0)
    # knoppiXMAME 1.2, a bootable arcade machine emulator (2.6.1)
    # LinuxNetwosix 1.0, a specialist live CD for security operations (2.6.1)
    # Shark Linux 1.06-beta2, a minimalist distribution for AMD-64, in early development (2.6.1)
    • # Gentoo unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
      This is true for gentoo-sources or vanilla-sources, but mm-sources, which is 2.6 kernel maintainer Andrew Morton's patch, is marked as stable in Gentoo on x86 for 2.6.2-rc1.
    • SUSE as well (Score:3, Informative)

      by jmt(tm) ( 197664 )
      SUSE 9.0 can also be used with 2.6. It is packaged on the install media, but not the default, and you have to install the rpm from the CLI. Everybody who wants to use it should be able to figure out how to do that;-)
      • What is this CLI you speak of? I am interested, I am a proud owner of SUSE 9.0. I currently use apt-get for most of my updates, including kde 3.2 which rocks, get it, it is so much faster. Anyway.. I did some preliminary googling and came up with nothing so a link, anything would be appreciated.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:12PM (#8232487)
  • lang=not_us (Score:3, Funny)

    by Deraj DeZine ( 726641 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:14PM (#8232503)
    Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us"

    Shouldn't shift and 0 yield a right parenthesis with lang=us? Because of this, I'm guessing that Knoppix actually boots into lang=not_us.

    • Re:lang=not_us (Score:5, Informative)

      by glassesmonkey ( 684291 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:22PM (#8232578) Homepage Journal
      If you've ever used the Knoppix ISO then you'd know the en ISO has correct US keyboard and the de ISO has the german keyboard.

      So when you boot this c't version up, you'll see a prompt and when you try and type "knoppix lang=us" you'll need to used the Shift-0
    • Re:lang=not_us (Score:3, Informative)

      by Verteiron ( 224042 ) *
      'lang=us' is what you type at the boot prompt to get US keyboard support in the OS. On the English versions of Knoppix, typing this at the boot prompt isn't a problem. On a German-booting version, typing 'lang=us' could present problems unless you know how to get the = sign.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:14PM (#8232504)
    I thought I knew geek speek, but the line "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't",

    with its oddly placed apostrophes, version numbers with more than one dot, *ix variation, and references to kids and corn even threw ME for a loop!
    • ...more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't

      Remember that before you get download happy with the c't version, it is a special version that does not have all the regular programs (and stability from what I hear; it's a testing version). It being in German rather than English is not the only difference. 3.4 is going to offically be released at Cebit, which is March 18-24 this year (2004). So we've got about a month to wait for the official release.

  • Upgrade HD-Install? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by saberworks ( 267163 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:17PM (#8232539)
    Anyone know how to upgrade a hard drive install to the latest kernel/features? I'm most concerned about the kernel.
    • by adrianbaugh ( 696007 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:36PM (#8232716) Homepage Journal
      For everything except the kernel apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade should work fine. For the kernel you can use pre-built packages but you'll be better off to get the source for the version you want, untar it and cd into the source directory, optionally do a make menuconfig to set up all your options, then do make-kpkg binary. Then cd out of the source directory and dpkg -i the kernel-image and kernel-headers packages.
    • Apt-get (Score:5, Informative)

      by FreeLinux ( 555387 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @09:02PM (#8232917)
      It's Debian. Use Apt-get. You can find sources here:

      # Kernel 2.6.0 nel-ima ge-2.6-686

      deb stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
      deb-src stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
      deb stable kernel-source-2.6.0
      deb-src stable kernel-source-2.6.0

      To answer your question directly, I do not believe that upgrade functionality exists in the Knoppix distribution.
  • by MichaelCrawford ( 610140 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:22PM (#8232587) Homepage Journal
    I'm interested to try 2.6 out on my PowerPC Macintosh, which I presently run Debian testing on.

    But the Mac is a production machine for me, it would be bad to have something like filesystem corruption happen. It would be great if I could test it with a distro like Knoppix, but I would need it to have all powerpc binaries.

    Is there such a beast?

  • Used to think linux would be a pain in the ass to use then I tried knoppix. I like it alot. realy simple to use. I still need to finish building my linux box thu.
  • by phoxix ( 161744 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:29PM (#8232660)

    On Klaus Knopper's visit to New York City. He made a special edition of the distro just for New York's LUG []. You will have to find a link of it on your own (being that it will cost some poor LUGer money for the bandwidth, heh)

    What a man! He really is a nice guy! We sure were thrilled and happy

    Sunny Dubey
  • Bahh... (Score:5, Funny)

    by 0x12d3 ( 623370 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:31PM (#8232682)
    (Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us")

    In my day, we had to write our bootable Linux cd's by hand... with only a hex editor --in German.
  • Kernel 2.6 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Jondo ( 693238 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:40PM (#8232751)
    If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way..

    I don't understand how afraid people can be to try out new kernels..

    1. Download the source from 2. make menuconfig and set up your kernel (It only takes about 2 minutes if you are on friendly terms with lspci)
    2. make (yes, this is all you need to do for 2.6 kernels)
    3. copy bzImage into /boot, and make install_modules
    4. update-grub

    Reboot, boot your new kernel, and you're done!

    If it doesnt work, its not the end of the world. Look at the output, see where it's failing, and go back and change your config.

    • Re:Kernel 2.6 (Score:5, Informative)

      by SharpFang ( 651121 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:53PM (#8232858) Homepage Journal

      1.2 Install updated modutils, binutils etc, which are incompatibile with old ones, so there's no easy way of return.
      2.2 Go back to config and remove any modules that cause compile errors (I don't know about 2.6 but in 2.3 it was a real bane, every second kernel I tried was broken in this or that way. It took YEARS to get Amiga Fast File System fixed.)

      If it doesn't work and i.e. panics on boot-up, go, get some liveCD to boot the system, because you're screwed (No old kernel - new binutils, remember?) and work out slowly what causes the error. May take several hours, sometimes including messing in the sources. Compile, install, reboot, liveCD, repair, compile, reboot... And finally start looking for old binutils to get your old kernel back to work.

      Yeah, installing new kernel is an interesting and often pleasant experience. But that's not a morning coffee type task. It CAN go SERIOUSLY wrong.
    • by MichaelCrawford ( 610140 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @09:06PM (#8232946) Homepage Journal
      One reason to be afraid to try out a new kernel is that a bug in any of the kernel code can result in a corrupt filesystem.

      While I'm sure you can see how buggy filesystem code might cause this, perhaps you don't see how this could happen from any code in the kernel at all.

      Well, one way is for a pointer error in, say, a network driver to overwrite some disk data buffers with random garbage. Then the data gets saved to disk.

      I've read of this happening on the linux-kernel list.

      Even journaling filesystems won't help for this. While journals can protect against power loss or crashes, the filesystems do make the assumption that any metadata committed to disk is correct.

    • I personally had no problem getting 2.6 to work.. However, of the two friends of mine that use Linux exclusively, both are having problems getting 2.6 to boot correctly. They were able to do 2.4 compiles no problem.
  • For Christ's sake. It's version 3.3 and I still can't figure out how to install this thing on my computer.
  • by hbmartin ( 579860 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:51PM (#8232834)
  • iswraid (Score:3, Interesting)

    by lwells-au ( 548448 ) <lwells AT bigpond DOT net DOT au> on Monday February 09, 2004 @08:54PM (#8232862)
    Does anyone know if either 3.3 or 3.4 c/t have had the iswraid [] patched against their kernel so one can access raid arrays created by the Intel ICH5-R?

    I would check but their forums are kind of slow right now for some reason ;-)

  • What About.... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DanthemaninVA1 ( 750886 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @09:25PM (#8233093)
    What about a distro that makes dual booting with Windows easy, for those of us who like what we see on the live cds but like to play games, or aren't quite willing to switch over completely for some other reason?
  • by darnok ( 650458 ) on Monday February 09, 2004 @09:43PM (#8233230)
    This looks nice. I'll download it when the heat dies down a bit.

    Now we've got the following live CDs:
    - Knoppix; perfect geek distro, just about every geek tool in one place. The Swiss Army knife distro
    - Mepis; excellent end-user distro, exactly the Linux distro for mum and dad
    - Morphix; customisable distro, put whatever you want on it

    IMHO, the missing one is the "live server" CD. You boot from this and you get Linux servers, not workstation tools. It should have the following features:
    - stable/testing versions of all common servers (e.g. Apache, Postgres, MySQL, Zope, iptables, sshd, Postfix, courier-pop, Samba, ...)
    - support for all the server-class hardware out there (e.g. RAID cards, SCSI/SATA discs, etc.)
    - when booted from CD, all servers are enabled but discs aren't mounted by default. You can have a play around with it, but you have to go out of your way to hurt yourself
    - when booted from disc, all servers are disabled but all discs are mounted. Login for the first time as root and you get asked "Which of the following services would you like to enable?"...
    - best-of-class GUI config tools for the servers for both Windows and Linux. Once you've installed the server, you then use the tools on the CD on a workstation to configure it
    - tools to migrate existing data from proprietary solutions (e.g. email and mailing lists from MS Exchange, ). These could run on client workstations rather than on the server, if required; obviously they wouldn't automate the migration, but anything that could reduce the workload would be worth considering
    - support for reading/writing configurations to USB key. Installs can run unattended using configs stored on the USB key. This would allow you to install fleets of identical servers (e.g. Web farm) quickly

    I'm sure there's other requirements you could come up with, but this would let you quickly put an entire data centre together. MS in particular would find it hard to compete with this.
    • Oh wait, you'd rather just whine from the sidelines! I see, well, enjoy Longhorn when it comes out!
      • Not true. There's more than one way to contribute.

        I'm happy to pay for these distros unless/until I've got time to contribute to their creation. Provided my parents like it, Mepis will be getting some funds from me after I install it for them this weekend to replace their continually broken Windows system. A few dollars out of my pocket is well worth it to give them a system that works for more than a few weeks without encountering new problems.

        I'll also happily test these distros on server-class syste
    • The trouble with a live server CD is that sooner or later one of those services is going to have a remote exploit (and if you're shipping with everything enabled, the chance of this is significantly increased.) And once an exploit is available, you're only a hop, skip, and a jump away from anyone who tests the CD having the contents of their hard drive trashed (or worse.)
      • That's why I'm suggesting disabling the servers if you've booted from hard disc. Disabling the servers means exploits won't be effective.

        Debian seems to have the best mechanism for distributing security updates; it's free (both of cost and painful licencing conditions), simple and appears to work very well.

        Maybe there should be a step in there "Do you wish to download the latest security updates?" at install time.
    • >IMHO, the missing one is the "live server" CD. You boot from this and you get Linux servers, not workstation tools.

      I'm doing this right now. I'm basing it off knoppix , just because that's what I've done before. Its a pain in certain areas, because /etc is read only , and stuff like ifup wants the /etc/network directory to be read-write. So I had no choice but to make a tmpfs filesystem , copy the /etc/files onto it , and use "mount --bind /newetcdir /etc" to trick knoppix into using it. (thanks to
    • (To mix a metaphor ;))

      "This looks nice. I'll download it when the heat dies down a bit."

      If you're getting a torrent, you'll probably grab it faster while a lot of others are getting it, too.

      Yesterday I finally joined the bittorent fad, found it worked well (that was using the OS X bittorrent client, which was dead easy to install and use :))

      The live-server idea is great.

    • KNOPPIX already has sshd, Apache, ftpd, tfptd, nfsd and dhcpd at the very least. Sure, they don't fire up automatically at boot, but I suspect that's for the reasons osmethnee mentions above [].

      The KNOPPIX terminal server feature fires up dhcpd, tftpd and nfsd with a setup wizard, although it's set up for remote booting KNOPPIX.

      To fire up the others, use the Debian-style init scripts like /etc/init.d/sshd start. But with sshd and some of the others you have to delete /etc/hosts.allow and/or /etc/hosts.deny a
      • You're right that configuring servers is achievable from Knoppix; it's just that you wind up with a machine full of unwanted stuff (e.g. OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc.) that you don't want lying around on a server.

        You need some sort of script to remove that stuff, but there's (from memory) about 1000 packages that get written to disc when you install Knoppix from a CD, and it seems a bit silly to install that many then delete 90% of them. The risks of screwing up somewhere would be too high.

        Responding to my o
        • Okay, I think I see what you're saying now: You want a Live CD that can run Apache, db's, Samba, etc. and also be able to install them permanently, and it will all be wizard/q&a based (with scrpting option) rather than all-ports-open by default.

          The first time I read your post I went into security paranoia mode thinking about a Debian/testing flavor of KNOPPIX with all services running on startup. I also couldn't figure out why someone would really need a LiveCD server daemon.

          But your idea is a tool fo
  • Mozilla vs Firefox (Score:2, Insightful)

    by sofakingl ( 690140 )
    Mozilla 1.6 isn't bad, but I'd rather see Mozilla Firefox added to Knoppix. That's the one of the few must-have programs that Knoppix is missing right now, and would increase the value of this distro if it was included.
  • by bakreule ( 95098 ) <> on Tuesday February 10, 2004 @06:34AM (#8235786) Homepage
    If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way

    This isn't a troll (and perhaps a little off-topic), but I really don't see the fuss with upgrading to 2.6. The APIs are the same, the only thing that I can see that is different is module loading, but there's a tool that takes care of it automagically.

    Is it just not trusting a new kernel until it's been fully hammered out in the field?

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