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SCO Preparing Linux Licensing Program 508

akorvemaker writes "OSNews is reporting about an article at InfoWorld that SCO's new Linux licensing program 'will allow users of the open-source operating system to run Linux without fear of litigation.'" This seems to be either the best business decision ever, or a nail in their coffin. One would think they'd wait before charging a license fee over what some would call shaky ground,
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  • by 26199 ( 577806 ) * on Saturday July 19, 2003 @11:57AM (#6478837) Homepage

    Up 15% as a result? Yahoo finances [yahoo.com]

    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:16PM (#6478980)
      Well, obviously stocktraders expect a certain percentage of idiots to actually pay license fees for GPLed software. In reality there can only be two situations: If SCO's claims are correct, then there will be a short coding frenzy and SCO is left in the dust with its precious IP. No reason for users to pay them. Or the claims are incorrect (either because the code isn't theirs or because they effectively gave it away with their Linux distribution), then they have no case and there is no reason to pay either.
      • by dbrutus ( 71639 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @03:02PM (#6480086) Homepage
        This is one more case where a loser pays rule would be an improvement on the US legal system. Right now, it makes sense for a company to pay SCO's license fees if they are below the cost of litigation even if the claims are baseless. The shareholders lose less money if you pay the dane geld (or at least that's the way I'm betting SCO priced out its licenses). I would expect a vast disparity between SCO licenses extracted in jurisdiction without loser pay and a vastly smaller number of licensees in loser pays jurisdictions.
    • It's Saturday. The last trade was yesterday.
    • It's also interesting to note that their short interest has risen from 33K to 277K lately.
      • by Joey7F ( 307495 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @01:21PM (#6479343) Homepage Journal
        Short interest, btw, is a measure of traders that are shorting the stock. Shorting a stock is when you borrow a stock and sell it. Then you buy it back at a later time. People use this when they are really confident that a stock will go down, eg SCOX is expensive now (>11 dollars). If you short the stock and it falls to 1 dollar once people realize what kind of crap sco is shoveling, then you buy and you make 10 dollars per share (just as if it had gone to 21 and you bought it with a long position)

        --Joey
      • Ha! My sig is working!

        If enough people short the stock and the short interest goes sky-high, that by itself will take the wind out of SCO's sails. At some point the herd effect kicks in, and nobody will buy at any price. After all, it's sheer insanity to buy a stock that everyone else is shorting, regardless of what you think of the company's future.

        MANY people are looking to short SCO, but most are trying to figure out when the rest of the world realizes there will be no buyout.

        If most of the potent
  • by neodymium ( 411811 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @11:58AM (#6478842) Homepage
    ..with this is that they finally have to tell WHAT the license would be good for.
    • by vsprintf ( 579676 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @03:37PM (#6480336)

      ..with this is that they finally have to tell WHAT the license would be good for.

      It doesn't make any difference what the license is good for. I have to clean the cat's litterbox tomorrow, and I have a large, padded mailing envelope. Monday, my *license fees* will be on the way to Utah.

  • by OwnerOfWhinyCat ( 654476 ) * on Saturday July 19, 2003 @11:58AM (#6478843)
    "Mr. Itguy, Looks like you're running 1500 copies of RH 9.0."
    "Yes, your honor."
    "And you're being sued by SCO for 1.5 million dollars?"
    "Yes, your honor."
    "Did that software come with an EULA?"
    "Yes, the GNU GPL."
    "Does that agreement bind you pay money to SCO?"
    "No, sir."
    "Have you seen the news reports of SCO claiming they have code in Linux?"
    "Yes, sir."
    "Did you know that seeing something on the news creates a binding agreement between you and the plaintiff to pay them whatever amount of money that they ask?"
    "No, sir."
    "Neither did I. Clerk, are there any cases on our agenda today with some merit?"
    • by LMCBoy ( 185365 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:06PM (#6478906) Homepage Journal
      "Did that software come with an EULA?"
      "Yes, the GNU GPL."

      Not to be a stickler, but the GPL is not a EULA, it's a RDLA (Re-Distribution License Agreement). You are not required to agree to anything to use GPL software.

      Thanks.
      • Interesting .. (Score:3, Interesting)

        by AftanGustur ( 7715 )


        You are not required to agree to anything to use GPL software.

        You are probably correct.
        This also means that you can download whatever from the Internet and use it without breaking any laws..
        You just can't redistribute it (from the USA and a few other contries).

        • Re:Interesting .. (Score:3, Interesting)

          by LMCBoy ( 185365 )
          This also means that you can download whatever from the Internet and use it without breaking any laws.

          Well, as long as "whatever" means "software licensed under the GPL" then, yeah, I guess. But then your second sentence doesn't make any sense, so I guess I don't know what you are talking about.
      • by cyberformer ( 257332 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @02:01PM (#6479572)
        This is true according to the intent of the GPL itself, but don't many commercial GPL'd programs treat it as a EULA anyway? They ask users to click through before installing. Maybe they think people are so used to EULAs that clicking through a box of legalese without reading it has become an expected part of every installation procedure, and maybe they're right.

        There's also a bit in the GPL about "disclaimer of warranty". That looks very EULA-like, just because a similar clause is found in many EULAs, and indeed virtually every software license, free and otherwise. Most people regard a warranty as something that applies to their use of a product, not its subsequent redistribution.
        • I do that, and it's mainly because the installation packaging tools I use assume that you want an EULA, and I'm too lazy to look up how to work around that (easier to use existing templates) and just stick the GPL in there. I don't actually care if they read or click on it or not. The default template says you have to agree, and it's too much work to disable it.

          Granted, if I ever got seriously into distributing software, like for money or as a buisness or anything, I'd spend the couple days to package it r

    • Repeat and write 100 times: The GPL is NOT an EULA!!!!

      As End User you are not required to agree with it! (And EULA is the end user license agreement)

      Those programms that let you click-wrap through the GPL, like EULA do, show the programmers have not understood that the GPL is not an EULA, that does NOT needed to be agreed, until you want to redistribute or change the software.
      • But you *are* required to agree to something to use GPL software--you're required to *agree* not to hold the software maker(s)' liable if the program fails to function as advertised. ("not even the implied warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.")

        In fact, even if the program were a Trojan horse type of deal, you'd probably have no legal recourse.
      • Those programms that let you click-wrap through the GPL, like EULA do, show the programmers have not understood that the GPL is not an EULA, that does NOT needed to be agreed, until you want to redistribute or change the software.

        You are not bound by the GPL if you CHANGE the software, only if you distribute it.

        Repeat and write 100 times: The GPL is NOT an EULA!!!!

        Repeat and write 100 times: You are not bound by the GPL if you CHANGE the software, only if you distribute it.
    • by Dark Lord Seth ( 584963 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @01:14PM (#6479306) Journal
      "Neither did I. Clerk, are there any cases on our agenda today with some merit?"

      Well, thinking about how fair, sound and pristine the US legal system is...

      No.

    • Is it not time that someone gets a declaratory judgement to this effect?

      IANAL, but as I understand it, if you feel there is a reasonable probability that you are going to be sued then you can seek a delcaratory judgement against the party likely to sue you. This aleviates the fear & anxiety of waiting to be sued, by the court giving a ruling as to who would win the case were you sued.

      Surely it is in the interest of one, or a group of, companies to fund a preemptive suit for declaratory judgement agai

  • ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I just want to know who'll be suckered into paying this license fee! ROFL!
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @11:59AM (#6478849)
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  • Wait.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Farrell ( 564771 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @11:59AM (#6478852) Homepage
    I'm sorry if I'm misinformed, but isn't the Linux kernel lisenced under the GPL? And isn't the GPL viral? I'm not a lawyer or anything, so please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean SCO CAN'T put out a new lisence on it?
    • Re:Wait.... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      This should be intersting. If SCO does try to sell licenses to Linux, I bet the FSF would have a direct shot at suing SCO and finally legitimizing the GPL in a court of law. I am even willing to bet that IBM lawyers would be willing to help.
    • Re:Wait.... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by the gnat ( 153162 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:17PM (#6478986)
      Don't think of it as a license. Think of it as a pre-emptive out-of-court settlement. Anyway, SCO's claim is that some of the code in Linux never should have been distributed under the GPL anyway because permission was not obtained from all parties with copyrights or other IP protection, i.e. SCO or the former rights holders. This is ignoring the issue of SCO's own distribution of Linux - the people they're going for with this licensing program either won't understand it, or won't trust it as a defense against a suit.
    • Re:Wait.... (Score:2, Insightful)

      by imhotep1 ( 674470 )

      If SCO is right (and they aren't) about SCO IP being in the kernel, the most they could do was collect license fees from infected versions of te kernel. Newer (and SCO IP free versions) of the kernel would be beyond their touch. In effect, they wouldn't be collecting licenses on the GPL'ed kernel, but on the ir IP that was included against their will.

      No matter what happens, SCO will not own the Linux name, or the hearts and minds of the linux community.

      It seems that while businesses are afraid of t

      • Re:Wait.... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Dastardly ( 4204 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @04:18PM (#6480557)
        If SCO is right (and they aren't) about SCO IP being in the kernel, the most they could do was collect license fees from infected versions of te kernel. Newer (and SCO IP free versions) of the kernel would be beyond their touch. In effect, they wouldn't be collecting licenses on the GPL'ed kernel, but on the ir IP that was included against their will.

        They can't charge a license fee. Period. There is only one way to distribute Linux with your own source code as SCO has done. And, that way is to license your code under the GPL. You cannot distribute Linux with your code under a different license because then you have no license for all the other code in Linux.

        SCO has only two choices with regard to their code in Linux. License it under the GPL, and still get a settlement from IBM for including the code in Linux against contract. Or, get an injunction against all kernels with their code making those kernels at least undistributable, and probably unusable. Then, the kernel developers will have to write out the code to get a distributable new kernel.

        Charging a license fee is NOT an option for SCO.

        Dastardly
  • by jmt9581 ( 554192 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:00PM (#6478854) Homepage
    If it's a sign that IBM's lawyers are running them out of money. :)
  • Fee for what? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mocm ( 141920 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:00PM (#6478855)
    If they want to charge a fee they will have to tell us what they are charging for. Then we either see that the stuff belongs to them and remove it from the kernel or see that it doesn`t. In either case no payment necessary.
    • Re:Fee for what? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Jeremi ( 14640 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:07PM (#6478915) Homepage
      If they want to charge a fee they will have to tell us what they are charging for.


      They are charging you for the luxury of not having to worry about being sued by them. Software has nothing to do with it, this is simple extortion.

      • *Start GodFather Voice*

        Extortion?? Come on my good man that's such an heavy word. And lets face it, no one knows what it means, lets break it down, ex (as in not yours anymore) and tortion (as in pressure), so this is just a pressure reliever.

        Let's call a spade a spade here and call it what it is, it's simply insurance that you're with us. I mean you are with us right? The court room is such a cold heartless place, when you're with us you're part of the family, and you know that family is warm and th

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:00PM (#6478859)
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  • by coene ( 554338 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:01PM (#6478862)
    ... deserves to get ripped off, and should probably go back to their proprietary SCO UNIX anyways. Blegh.
  • by k98sven ( 324383 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:01PM (#6478863) Journal
    In other news, SCO is reportedly also selling the following:

    Deed to the Eiffel tower

    Herbalife

    Property on the moon, nicely situated near the Sea of Tranquility

    London Bridge

    Viagra pills

    These REVOLUTIONARY PRODUCTS are to be sold through the REVOLUTION of multi-level-marketing, please contact SCO if you wish to make THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS from YOUR OWN HOME.

  • by tds67 ( 670584 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:01PM (#6478864)
    SCO is "hoping that even if 99 percent of Linux customers laugh in their face, that there will be sufficient large companies who, for what is presumably going to be a relative drop in the bucket of their IT budgets, can potentially eliminate a cloud over their heads," he said.

    99 percent? I think that percentage is a bit low.

  • Listen In (Score:5, Informative)

    by DASHSL0T ( 634167 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:04PM (#6478883) Homepage
    Here's the info for the SCO conference call:

    Where: US: 800-406-5356
    Toll Call: 913-981-5572
    Password: 464644

    When: Monday, July 21, 2003
    Noon EDT
  • I certainly hope it's safe to assume that Linus will be suing the living crap out of them for damage to his trademark.
  • You sir, suck. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by eddy ( 18759 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:05PM (#6478891) Homepage Journal

    Dear Bride et al. Some day I hope the SEC [sec.gov] catches up with you. We all know you're mouthing off in the news to pump the stock so that you can sell and get richer. That's no secret, we can all see it in your trade statements. Your mouth says one thing (all lies), your actions another (the whole truth and nothing but the truth). You use battary and deception to work your shady stockmarket magics, and it will catch up with you. I have a video-capture of the Adelphia directors being led off in hand-cuffs. They thought they'd get away with it too, just like you guys.

    Mark my words, in a week we'll see seven more consecutive SELL filings in the database. They're greedy, and greedy people run the constant risk of taking it that one last step too far...

    That said, I think this SCO news is great for humor. I can't wait till monday!

  • ...the "SCO protection racket."

    Doesn't this sound exactly like a mob racket?

    Mobster: Gee, I wouldn't want anything to happen to your Linux server, would you? (waves his club near the rack)
    Customer: I swear, Tony, I'll get you the money! Don't sue me!

  • The article doesn't say much on price, anyone know how much it's gonna be? I'm sure 99.99% of Linux users aren't gonna pay it, but there's always that one buisiness that would rather write a check than deal with a law suit.
  • nah, too much trouble.
  • Quick, someone buy a license!

    Then all the code in question will be intentionally and unambigously GPLed by SCO. Unless they intened to impinge on the copyrights of the hundreds (?) of copyright holders who have GPLed their kernel code.

    As if any of this matters, since they (presumably) distributed that same code under the GPL as part of their GNU/Linux distribution . . .

    Yawn.

    -Peter
  • Haha. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by AntiOrganic ( 650691 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:07PM (#6478914) Homepage
    I urge everyone to buy one of these anti-litigation licenses, so that we can all file a class action lawsuit when it's proven that they don't have any rights to code within Linux.
  • ... at least according to UnitedLinux [unitedlinux.com].

    Does the new SCO Linux licensing program imply that UnitedLinux customers are not immune to litigation? I would gather that the other partners are not so happy with such a prospect.

  • by jspectre ( 102549 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:08PM (#6478924) Journal
    "While the majority of Linux customers probably would not participate in a SCO licensing program, Haff predicted some companies might be willing to pay SCO for the security of knowing they would not be sued."

    Excuse me, but isn't extortion illegal in the US?

    • Excuse me, but isn't extortion illegal in the US?

      You clearly are bit confused about the term "extortion", so please bear with me for a moment. Only a private citizen may be charged with extortion. When a corporation is doing the same, it's an example proving that competition in a free market is working for the good of us all.

      • Only a private citizen may be charged with extortion. When a corporation is doing the same, it's an example proving that competition in a free market is working for the good of us all.

        Given a large enough corporation,

        s/extortion/theft/
        s/extortion/manslaughter/
        s /extortion/negligence/
        s/extortion/fraud/
        s/exto rtion/bribery/
        s/extortion/conspiracy/
        s/extorti on/endangerment/
        s/extortion/racketeering/
        s/ext ortion/tax evasion/

        Or, as the luminaries of the New World Order say, May God Bless Corporate Democracy.

        S
  • I wonder ... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Daniel Dvorkin ( 106857 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:09PM (#6478928) Homepage Journal
    ... if this is the point where Big Blue is going to stop basically ignoring SCO and start going after them with guns blazing.

    I mean, if SCO are trying to extort money from Linux customers by making them think they have to pay SCO as well as Linux and Linux service vendors (including, of course, IBM) then that's cutting directly into those vendors' business. It goes beyond FUD into a direct financial attack. Seems to me -- just guessing here -- that given how much IBM makes from the Linux aspects of its biz, they might get very upset.

    Of course, Red Hat, SuSE, et al would also have reason to get upset, and at this point they could probably wipe SCO out themselves if they put their minds to it; but it's always nice to have IBM on your side ...
    • Re:I wonder ... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by jellomizer ( 103300 )
      I am sure IBM is call up all their customers and asking them to record any loss this lawsuit made. (Like the 2 hour meeting to see if you should stay with IBM, etc) Then when SCO looses, IBM Will come back with a counter suit. And also sue for everyones else losses. I am sure IBM is staying quite to get their time and build up their forces. Plus if they say the wrong thing they may piss off their customers.
      But The IBM counter suit I beleave will really hurt SCO.
    • by FunWithHeadlines ( 644929 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @02:30PM (#6479847) Homepage
      See the second entry on this page written by a person in the legal field [weblogs.com]. Although IBM's response to SCO seems to have been misunderstood among the Linux community because of a lack of experience with legal-speak, in fact IBM slammed SCO to the ground with their response.

      Furthermore, SCO's claims are bunk as this entry shows [weblogs.com], for what SCO is complaining about is the inclusions of pieces of code in IBM's distro, such as JFS. But a Caldera employee at the time was contributing to this process and they didn't complain at the time!

      SCO is sunk.

  • Shaky ground? More like quicksand.
  • by smiff ( 578693 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:10PM (#6478935)
    SCO is still distributing [sco.com] kernel 2.4.13. Are they licensing this code under the GPL or not?
  • Impossible (Score:5, Interesting)

    by etymxris ( 121288 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:11PM (#6478949)
    You can't license GPL software, even if it contains some of your code. Combing GPL software with commercial software is like combining anti-matter with matter--it goes poof. As soon as GPL software has been "polluted" with commercial software, the GPL has been revoked. This makes it so that there is no license to do anything with the GPLed portions of the code. So it seems logically that SCO cannot possibly license Linux. They can either enforce their copyright, assuming that the kernel contains SCO code improperly, and stop Linux distribution, or they can sit back and do nothing. Collecting money is not a legal option.
  • I never thought.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Comatose51 ( 687974 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:15PM (#6478970) Homepage
    I never thought I would cheer for big corporations but "Go Big Blue!". Come to think of it, Big Blue hasn't really been that evil of all the major computer corporations. They've been dumb at times but I can't think of any instances when they were evil. What would happen if the case was directed at Linux instead of IBM instead? Would we have the resources and coordination to fight it off?
    • were you alive in the late 70's early 80's??
      IBM tried to own the PC architecture, if it weren't for hackers at compaq (very terrible company now, but they had there place then) reverse engineering the PC BIOS we would all be paying taxes to IBM for all of the hardware. IBM tried to do the exact same thing that Microsoft does now, with the hardware, so don't say they've never done anything evil
  • ...as in "Pay up, or we break your windows... err, I mean Linux."

    Too bad the U.S. government lacks the balls to apply organized crime laws against companies like SCO.

  • Several years ago there was a fellow (I think it was a fellow) who wrote in a hi-fi magazine he had noticed coloring the edges of his CDs with a purple marker made them sound better. Then he discovered that just marking one of them had the same effect. So he concluded this must be due to some mysterious energy effect, and then decided to offer the effect for "license." All any audiophile need do to enjoy these benefits was pay him a modest sum evrey year and he would make sure one of the CDs in his collecti
  • It would seem, by SCO's own actions, that anyone with any (or maybe no) code in the affected packages would have grounds to sue SCO for billions of dollars. The FSF in particular could probably claim more money than SCO will ever see.

    Of course, SCO should be glad that congress didn't end up passing a law allowing copyright holders to destroy pirates' systems...
  • Whatever Happens with this case the corporate veil that is allowing these people to knowingly act in a criminal manner needs to be destroyed. Commercial crime is crime. There is no difference between stealing from a million people than there is one, There is no difference in using a knife or a lawyer.

    The more I look at this the more I realize Heinlein was right. Civil penalties need to be accompanied by corporal punishment, and at least minimal jail time.

    Its very obvious that the laws in place have be
  • You don't get it. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Global-Lightning ( 166494 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:20PM (#6479009)
    This announcement isn't aimed at the individual Linux users, it's aimed at the PHB's.

    It's all about risk management. If a company has a sizeable investment in Linux, and that investment is threatened, then competent management will take necessary steps to protect it. For any company, managment has to determine which option will cost less:

    1. Not take any action and await the outcome of IBM vs SCO. Taking this path, one would have to calculate the chance that IBM wins, therefore no new cost, versus SCO wins, and how much would they then have to pay out and/or possibly migrate to another OS.

    2. Buy the SCO license as a hedge against an SCO victory. Furthermore, this may also bring other benefits, such as imdemmifing the company from any future claims against Linux from yet another company.

    This has nothing to do with right or wrong, but with the bottom line.
  • by Alain Williams ( 2972 ) <addw@phcomp.co.uk> on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:21PM (#6479010) Homepage
    At the moment SCO can huff and puff but everyone can ignore then, no one has agreed anything with SCO.

    You want your peace of mind, so you cough up and give SCO $500 -- what else do you give them ? Well, the copy of the contract that they gave you to sign; what do we think that will contain ? Let me guess ... how about an acknowledgement that you will never again use Linux without paying a SCO tax. Hmmmm, from now to forever you will need to pay SCO for what everyone else gets for free.

    A clever way of making money out of someone else's GPLed software.
  • Kind of wipes out the advantage of not using Solaris, AIX HPUX and the like. You're now paying for Linux just like any other commerical code.
  • by mcc ( 14761 ) <amcclure@purdue.edu> on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:25PM (#6479039) Homepage
    Quite simply: is what way is this illegal, and can someone (redhat? linus?) sue SCO for this?

    This seems to me that this is probably either barratry, racketeering, or libel. Mostly the third.

    Going around saying "linux has stolen code" is a simple allegation relating to a lawsuit you've made. However, if you're going around sending letters to redhat customers saying they owe you money because they use redhat.. I can't imagine that being legal. They are stating in a public, commercial context that they own what is rightfully RedHat's. That seems to be deceptive trade practices, at the least, and most likely like I said some sort of libel against Redhat.

    Is this the case? Does this "linux licensing" thing mean that SCO has FINALLY stepped over the line from discussing their lawsuit in public into clear-cut slander, and the FSF/redhat/SUSE/mandrake can jump on them now?
  • I'm very much looking forward to seeing some sort of license agreement I can print out. I fully intend to augment it by doing essentially what I proposed that IBM do in this comment [slashdot.org] a while ago.

    I think I'll add a "P.S. Show me the code, you asshats. I'm not paying unless you show me why I should." to the FAX.
  • by !ramirez ( 106823 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:30PM (#6479064)
    While driving today, I saw a guy with a SCO country sticker on the back of his car (similar to these) [offlinetshirts.com], and the first thing I thought was "god, how could you like an OS/company like that so much that you'd put it on your car?"

    Then, I realized that it was a Scottish flag next to the sticker, along with a simultaneous thought of "wow, I've been reading far too much /."
  • by Esion Modnar ( 632431 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:31PM (#6479067)
    [Deep Brooklyn Accent]

    You see, me and the boys here, we'd hate to see something... unfortunate... happen to your business. After all, running Linux is attractive, but... risky... if you catch my drift.

    Now, for a small, shall we say, licensing fee, we can guarantee that we won't burn down, er, um, (cough) I mean, litigate your business into bankruptcy.

    After all, we're legitimate businessmen.

  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:31PM (#6479072) Homepage
    There's a huge distance between what SCO says formally and what they leak.

    If you listened to their last conference call, you noticed that they explicitly said they weren't making any copyright claims; they just had a contract dispute with IBM. That's something strictly between them and IBM; it can't affect anyone who isn't involved with IBM or their product.

  • Come alone, use small bills, don't contact FSF
    Drop the mony in the brown paper bag you find
    behind the big oak in the east side of the park.

  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:36PM (#6479100) Homepage
    I'd like to suggest the following exercise:
    • Compile as much GPLd software as possible through Microsoft's Visual C++ compiler. Disassemble.
    • Disassemble as much Microsoft product code as posssible.
    • Diff. (More likely, feed sequences into a database program). Look for common instruction sequences of at least 50 instructions or so.
  • In Germany, SCO has been court-orderd not to claim that Linux violates their IP until they start giving proof of this. This licensing could be seen aqs such a claim and therefore, this license might acually *cost* them 250.000 Euros (if I remember the amount correctly) over here.

    Financially, I'd calll this an unwise maneuver...
  • While the majority of Linux customers probably would not participate in a SCO licensing program, Haff predicted some companies might be willing to pay SCO for the security of knowing they would not be sued.

    What freaking idiots. They are simply selling fake insurance. Think about it. "We may or not have code in linux, but if we do, you might be sued by us. So pay us a little money now to avoid the possibility of paying more later." It's almost blackmail. It's disgusting.
  • by agrounds ( 227704 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @12:56PM (#6479213)
    What repurcussions can these schoolyard bullies really throw at you? Seriously. I use slackware at home. What are they going to do if I refuse to pay them one red cent? Throw me in jail? The legal costs of actually suing each and every linux user are cost-prohibitive to the meager licensing fees they can dream up. Even if I choose to represent myself, just to save the money, they still have to pay for legal exepenses as well as flights/hotels/cars/etc for each case. Can you say "not fucking likely"? They're just blowing FUD.

    To paraphrase the NRA (a highly successful, if not a bit misguided group):
    They can have my slackware disks when they pull them out of my incarcerated hand.

    Make them press charges for not paying. The legal costs of attacking end-users would be fucking staggering. Bullies always prey on the small guy to mask their own insecurity. The only way to stop the schoolyard bully is to not be scared of him. To paraphrase another misguided soul "Bring 'em on". Fuck SCO.
  • by eap ( 91469 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @01:03PM (#6479243) Journal
    I am now licensing SCO OpenServer for only $5!

    Please send payment to:

    Happy Dude
    742 Evergreen Terrace
    Springfield

  • by bwt ( 68845 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @01:08PM (#6479265)
    If you cannnot protect what you own, you own nothing. This is true if the law doesn't help you and its true if you don't have the will to act. SCO is exposing the weakness of the GPL: it means nothing if you aren't willing to use the courts to enforce it.

    SCO's attempts to impose additional restrictions on the Linux kernel could not be a more blatent violation of the copyrights of the many kernel developers who have released legitimately GPL'd code into the kernel. There is exactly one way for this idodicy to stop: kernel developers must sue SCO for copyright infringement.

    Even under the rosiest scenario for SCO, the fact that SCO has a contract dispute with IBM, and that perhaps IBM infringed their code does not given them any right to flout the GPL and usurp the work of the kernel developers.
  • by walterbyrd ( 182728 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @01:42PM (#6479469)
    >>The program will be announced "within the next month or so,"

    Last December, scox said they were "planing" a linux licensing programing. Then, about a month ago, scox said they would announce such a plan in July. July is more than half-way over, everybody is wondering what is going on. Now scox is saying they will have a plan "within a month or so." Or so?

    Could it be that scox knows they can not legally implement such a plan? In two months will scox call another such teleconference to anounce their big plan, only to say once again: "we're working on some details to try and create some kind of a licensing program for Linux users to be able to run Linux legally."

    Some details? Haven't they been working on "some details" since December? How complicated could it be.

    Yet another SCOX bluff? Remember scox said they would stop ibm from selling AIX, they haven't. Scox said they would audit AIX users, they haven't. They said they were going sue Linus Torvald, they haven't.

    But it did drive the stock price up another 15% in one day. And you better believe, insiders are selling like mad.

    http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/Holdings.asp?symbol=SC OX &selected=SCOX

  • by Piquan ( 49943 ) on Saturday July 19, 2003 @01:42PM (#6479477)
    My-my-my-my (U can't touch us)
    SCO [sco.com] tries to bill me [infoworld.com] so hard
    Makes me say, "Oh my Lord [crosswalk.com], thank you for blessing me
    With a mind to think [iwethey.org] about the O from SC [sco.com]"
    It feels good
    When you know you're right [findlaw.com]
    A superdope winner [fsf.org] in a court fight [com.com]
    And SCO knows as much [slashdot.org]
    And they'd just get beat-uh!
    U can't touch us

    I told you homeboys [lug-nut.com]
    U can't touch us
    Yeah, that's how we livin' [internetweek.com] and you know
    U can't touch us
    Look in the GPL [gnu.org], man
    U can't touch us
    Yo, let me bust the funky code [sourceforge.net]
    U can't touch us

    Stop! RICO [cornell.edu] time!

    (With some apologies to MC Hammer, but mostly to the people who read this.)

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