Lycoris Build 71 Beckons For Your Desktop 265
PenguinRenegade writes "Lycoris has released a new Beta, Build 71. Lycoris is not a Linux distro for those who already know Linux, but more for the masses, for those who want to migrate from Windows, and don't really want anything to do with the command line. Lycoris Desktop/LX equipped computers are available from Wal-Mart starting at $268.00 (build 46). It's a great OS for the masses, $30 or less, $19.99 from the company if you download your own and just want the Product ID. Registered users get REAL e-mail support and full access to IRIS, an RPM-based click-to-install program base." (There's no cost to download the beta.)
i just hope they cash flow this stand (Score:2, Interesting)
I see double! (Lycoris vs XP) (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I see double! (Lycoris vs XP) (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I see double! (Lycoris vs XP) (Score:2)
Charging for Linux? (Score:2)
Sorry, I choose not to pay the Lycoris tax with any PC I buy. I only drink FREE beer.
Great. (Score:5, Interesting)
I think it's great that people and companies supporting Linux are finally starting to reach the masses with their message. It seems the only things that are really missing from Linux (and other *ixes, for the most part) are games and a few key apps like Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver etc etc. Since I'm not a graphics guy and I don't play games, the switch was pretty easy for me to make on the majority of my PCs.
Personally I prefer FreeBSD + KDE, but I think any market share taken away from Microsoft on the desktop will be good for diversity. Of course, for gamers and graphics nuts, switching over will be more troublesome. Hopefully even that will change as Linux gains more market share and companies start realizing it and diverting more development efforts towards non-MS platforms (ideally cross-platform, although I'd imagine the prospect of supporting too many platforms would be prohibitive for some companies).
Re:Great. (Score:2)
It would be relatively simple for Lycoris to spend some time tweaking WINE and/or WINEX to work with the most well known and played games that work fairly well, though not often by default on newbie distros (e.g. Half-Life), and to provide the binaries/source for ported
Re:Great. (Score:2)
There is also a set of kernel sources tweaked for gaming, which is meant to squeeze out even more performance. I'mt not that bothered, as my performance is acceptable and I don't want to mess anything else up, but for hardcore g
Re:Great. (Score:2, Funny)
Since I'm not a graphics guy and I don't play games, the switch was pretty easy for me
You don't play games?>> Infidel!
Re:Great. (Score:2)
I'm not really sure what I'm missing other than games and viruses by using FreeBSD instead of Windows.
Lycoris dropping the ball with version numbering (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Lycoris dropping the ball with version numberin (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Lycoris dropping the ball with version numberin (Score:2)
If it's being sold on machines in Wal*Mart, it's not a beta.
Re:Lycoris dropping the ball with version numberin (Score:2)
Re:Lycoris dropping the ball with version numberin (Score:2)
Scenario: newbie installs unfinished 1.0. Newbie gets frustrated by a buggy, incomplete product. Newbie thinks that Linux is trash and never installs it again.
Re:Lycoris dropping the ball with version numberin (Score:2, Interesting)
Scenario: newbie installs "finished" winMe. Newbie gets frustrated by blue screens of death. Newbie thinks this is normal, and reboots.
Re:Lycoris dropping the ball with version numberin (Score:3, Insightful)
Windows is the dominant operating system, so there is a double-standard that applies. What is acceptable for Windows is not acceptable for Linux in the eyes of a newbie. Especially if they only installed Linux because they heard how stable it was compared to Windows.
Re:Lycoris dropping the ball with version numberin (Score:2)
Version Numbering (Score:2)
Version 1.0 Build 68
Version 1.0 Build 69
Version 1.0 Build 70
Version 1.0 Build 71
(hopefully, slashdot readers begin to see a pattern forming here)
Now, suppose that Build 72 passes all QA tests and is blessed as a final candidate. After yet more testing, it is blessed as an official release. The engineering or "build group" does not need to rebuild the program for release -- thus introducing the possibility of breaking something. The actual bina
Re:Version Numbering (Score:2)
With the Build numbering system, the "Because I Said So" rule also applies to whether a build is "alpha", "beta" or "release".
Today, version 1.0 Bild 72 is "beta". Tomorrow, we may start shipping it and calling it release. It is same actual binary build -- that is Build 72. It is now the "release" version because I said so. (Really, because the QA dept. said so.)
Linux for the masses... (Score:3, Funny)
Like Windows for the enterprise.
Its just plain Howard Stern style wrong.
Re:Linux for the masses... (Score:4, Insightful)
Its kinda absurd to choose an OS based on personal affection rather than knowing it supports the applications you want to run. I can actually understand why companies run Windows. They like (ms) office, (ms) office runs on windows, they run windows. Quite easy.
Re:Linux for the masses... (Score:4, Funny)
Well, then consider it done! Debian has always provided a nice (n)curses interface to installation!
Linux at work vs. linux on the desktop (Score:5, Insightful)
Linux will not be a home entertainment OS until it becomes used more at work. The way I see it working is like this:
By the time we get to the last step, all the frustrating things for n00bs should be pretty much worked out. I don't think that Linux needs to start by being a home user OS. It will end up that way, if all goes well.
Re:Linux at work vs. linux on the desktop (Score:2)
I am not promising tha
Windows is SysFascist Friendly as well (Score:2)
I think that argument is a red herring. A Windows network with tight mandatory profiles and a strict proxy server can be just as "fascistic". A clued Windows admin can lock down a client every bit as tightly as Unix admins can lock down theirs. I know of school Windows networks that are indeed difficult to "download pr0
Re:Linux for the masses... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Linux for the masses... (Score:3, Insightful)
Or, of course, until it's pre-installed on more than a handful of systems. For most end-users any OS is too difficult to install. I end up having to install/upgrade OSes for my non-techie friends regularly, including Windows.
Personally I haven't found a modern Linux distro that isn't easier to install than Windows, and, while I'm willing to accept that at least part of that may be down to me knowing what I'm doing, I don't think your Mr. Doe is going to have an easier time installing Windows.
Re:Linux for the masses... (Score:2)
Of all the machines in the house, the only one that's running reliably is the Debian firewall/router I set up for them almost 2 years ago now, which I administer remotely via SSH. Usually that means apt-get update once a week or so to keep up
This is exactly what Linux needs. (Score:4, Insightful)
Now Linux is very stable (although not with Gnome, if there are any Gnome developers reading this please make it more stable as the user interface is far better than KDE IMO), it supports OGG, it is incredibly secure and it is lightning fast when compared to the bloat that is windows.
Unfortunately most usrs can't get along with it. The command line is a clunky way of doing things compared to an intuitive GUI and simply a throwback to when computers didn't do graphics. Tweaking things is difficult, sure there are lots of options but I still couldn't figure out an easy way of chjanging the screen resolution.
It lacks style. This isn't such a problem for us geeks as we want something that is clean and functional but mr windows user wants anti aliased fonts and fading effects on the menubar.
The good thing is that the Lycoris guys look they are sloving some of these problems with their no nonsence distribution. If we can give people something that looks like windows but has the stability and speed of Linux we can go a long way to establishing linux as a major player in the OS arena.
Re:This is exactly what Linux needs. (Score:2, Insightful)
This statement alone makes me doubt the rest of what this guy has to say. GUIs are good for simple tasks you don't do very often. The command line and scripting languages have the power to automate and achieve complex tasks.
Ogg Support (Score:2)
Re:This is exactly what Linux needs. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:This is exactly what Linux needs. (Score:5, Insightful)
In my experience, teaching newcomers, the GUI is more intuitive but the command line is more powerful, and many are very grateful for having learnt how to use it. Not everyone likes it, but let's not try to bury it like Windows has. You don't need to use it anyway, so I don't see what the problem is
Tweaking things is difficult, sure there are lots of options but I still couldn't figure out an easy way of chjanging the screen resolution.
This makes me wonder what distribution you're using. Every newbie-orientated one I've ever come across has a really easy to use control center with an obvious option to change the screen resolution. And tweaking things isn't really possible in Windows, so it's a credit to GNU/Linux that you even can
This isn't such a problem for us geeks as we want something that is clean and functional but mr windows user wants anti aliased fonts and fading effects on the menubar.
If you install any of the recent distros (Mandrake 9.1, RedHat 9, SuSE 8.2) you'll fidn both these things there. In fact, they've been there for a while. KDE is now able to look a whole lot more stylish than Windows, and does so by default.
I don't want to sound like another advocate pretending it's all there, but your complaints are mostly outdated or wrong
Re:This is exactly what Linux needs. (Score:2, Insightful)
the *big* difference is - when windows corrupts, you go reinstall, os, all software, etc
when linux corrupts - you can reinstall os, you don't need to reinstall most of the apps, and you can have a friend (or support for your distro) to fix the problem without reinstalling
the only reason why nobody is using commandline on windows is, that it can't do almost anything
GNOME instability (Score:3, Insightful)
GNOME is very stable for me. It (the core components like panel and Nautilus) almost never crash, and if one core component crashes it will just restart and everything else will continue like nothing happened.
If GNOME crashes very often then you should fill a bug report [gnome.org] and telling the developers exactly what crashes, when, and how to reproduce it. Just saying "it's unstable" does
wow, misread THAT one (Score:4, Funny)
I thought it read "IRIX" and the train of thought went something alone the lines of
euphoria: IRIX boxens for $289 from Wal-mart!
dawn of disillusionment: Why would I use a hacked up linux distro if IRIX came with it for free?
total disallusionment: Awww crap it's IRIS, not IRIX.
bitterness and depression: Awww crap it's IRIS based on PRMs.
[goes back to Gentoo, sighing]
Click on... (Score:5, Funny)
Defaults to non-root account (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Defaults to non-root account (Score:2)
Re:Defaults to non-root account (Score:2)
That is a great attitude if a UNIX like operating system was the monopoly. But of course it isn't otherwise there would not be so much hatred for Microsoft.
There is a point in every person's life where they stop learning because they are against change. So by your statement you have given up on the older people in the society because they won't learn it. That is a real shame since the majority of the population in many Western Culture
Mandrake does that too (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Mandrake does that too (Score:2)
OTOH, I do seem to remember that there was some choice of selecting an account to automatically log into. I never used it, but the language seemed to suggest that it would use whichever account you selected. Perhaps root is the default choice for that configuration? But I'm rather sure that the language indica
Re:Mandrake does that too (Score:2)
Re:Defaults to non-root account (Score:2)
Ditto for UNIX. If you don't need to be root, don't log in as root!
I also like the security of XP, so that power users can install software without having to be an administrator.
What makes you think UNIX is excluded from this capability? As a lowly user, I built and installed KDE on my Solaris workstation. How? It's called the home directory. Duh! Other possibilities abound to allow users to install th
Lawsuit pending (Score:2, Interesting)
"Power Flower", it says.
Their XMMS skin looks like iTunes, too...
These guys will face lawsuits both by Microsoft AND Apple... Yay! That's what I call platform oecumenism!
So Linux became Windows XP for the cheap ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, but I guess it will just end like: "Oh, you are using lycoris/linux. Can't you afford Windows?"
Re:So Linux became Windows XP for the cheap ? (Score:2)
What if the answer is "no"?
Re:So Linux became Windows XP for the cheap ? (Score:2)
Re:So Linux became Windows XP for the cheap ? (Score:2)
Who says slashdot has gone down hill? (Score:2, Informative)
This is not "News for Nerds", this is old info which for those people who are interested will ahve already received via email or on other websites.
On the plus side surely it makes it easier for
Beh (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Beh (Score:2, Interesting)
Im a diehard UNIX user; I love Slackware, I love Debian, I love OpenBSD. Unfortunately, like you, Adobe isn't porting Photoshop and Macromedia isn't porting flash to UNIX anytime soon.
So I have XP Professional installed (which runs fine), and I use VMware for all my UNIX needs. I track -current in OpenBSD and I check out any new releases (like Slackware 9.0). The best part, you dont need a new computer or hard drive. Once youre done messing around or testing or whatever, delete the
Re:Beh (Score:2)
Good question.
The advantages Linux has for a desktop user:
Re:Beh (Score:2)
Days?!? Dude, and I'm not exagrating, I have to reboot my XP machine every few hours most days. I hibernate it to take it home at night, but usually still endup rebooting when I bring it out of hibernation in the morning.
This Linux (Gentoo / KDE3.1) box has been running for the better part of a month (I rebooted to test one of Linus' dev kernels).
~~~
If you have two or more machines in the house, and you do
Re:Beh (Score:2)
Dude, what did you do to that poor XP box? Granted, I hate XP's interface and will never use it, but it is based on the NT kernel. My coworker's Win2k box is up to 52 days uptime, and is neck-and-neck with my FreeBSD 5.0 desktop in our uptime battle. I managed to hit 120 days once in Win2k back when I ran it on my desktop -- his record is 97.
I can't imagine XP being that much worse.
Re:Beh (Score:5, Informative)
1) I program. Development tools (especially GCC) are better on the Linux side, and free to boot. I don't like IDE's I prefer a bunch of xterms and VIM. Sure I could do the same thing in Windows, but Cygwin is a little too laggy for my taste (fork() is really slow).
2) My gaming is limited to a few Linux games (NWN, Quake), a few older WINE-able Windows games (CounterStrike, StarCraft), and PSX emulators. They all work fine enough in Linux to suit me. For real gaming, I turn to my Gamecube, which I like better than 99% of PC games anyway
3) I've got a lot of freedom to choose software file formats. My usage of MS Office formats isn't anything that KWord or (in a pinch) OpenOffice can't handle. Usually, all my communication with the outside world is done with standard file formats like PDF, HTML, etc.
4) I run Mathematica and Matlab on occasion, which have (cheap!) Linux student versions.
5) I do 3D modeling, and SideFX has an Apprentice version of Houdini available for Linux.
Other than that, I do the same stuff everyone else does. I listen to MP3s on JuK (a KDE jukebox), I talk with my friends on AIM, send funny pictures over the school network, the usual. Since I'm used to Linux, and not very used to Windows (I stopped using it around when XP came out) my workflow is a lot faster, and the tweekability of KDE allows me to optimize the computer to my work habits much more than I can in Windows.
Re:Beh (Score:2)
If you are not interested in an environment which is more stable, faster, gets the most out of your hardware then why would i put my time into converting you. If you are only interested in using name brand software (Adobe and Macromedia are) then hey, please stay with your current setup.
If you would like to explore new ways, tools and software and if you aren't afraid of investing time into learning new tricks then i would probably invite you to give
Re:Beh (Score:2)
In my experience, quake 3 runs much better under linux than it ever did in windoze. If you aren't willing to learn just a little bit, and understand the reasons for using linux over that other OS, that's too bad for you. I prefer to be productive with my machines, rather than me having to serve them. This is why I use linux, and
Convert you (Score:2, Informative)
I'll answer any questions you might have, too, PERSONALLY.
Re:Beh (Score:2)
1. Security. Linux is much more secure than any Windows OS.
2. Stability. My NT4 box at work crashes several times a week. The old Win95 box crashed several times a DAY! My Linux box at home hasn't crashed in YEARS!
3. Price. Although Windows itself comes with your PC, Windows software does not! I don't remember exactly what Office costs these days, but it's WAY more than Star Office. And Open Office is FREE!
4. Fun. You don't sound like someone who would appriciate the fun par
Re:Beh (Score:2)
A properly configured Windows box is more secure than a badly configured Linux box - it all depends on the user.
Supportless Linux (Score:5, Insightful)
My father runs Linux at home and is as happy as can be. The only reason this situation exists is that I SSH into his machine every week and build/fix/configure/backup whatever is wrong or out of date.
I'm happy he runs Linux. He's happy that his box magically updates without him every seeing or doing anything. This is the kind of hands off tech support I like to get from my plumber, mechanic and company IT department. Why shouldn't the end user enjoy this model as well? I could theoretically fix and update a dozen Linux boxes per day through SSH. A room full of geeks could take care of hundreds a day.
Anyone can run Linux if they have a dedicated geek or live support contract. Currently the clueless have only geeks to turn to. With a company that does everything (I repeat: everything) through live support there can be a Linux box anywhere anytime.
Companies are not leveraging Linux's remote access abilities for the end users. This gives the user a perfect box an a constant stream of cash for the support company. Most will not care if you log into a part of their system and do a weekly fix/backup/upgrade as long as you present it in the right way. The privacy concern is no greater than giving your box to a computer shop for a couple of day.
I doubt that any given mob of customers can be more difficult and demanding than my dad, but I guess we all feel like that sometimes.
The above model is actually taking place right now. How many of you log into another Linux box and fix it every week? All I'm suggesting is to put a bunch of us in the same room while we do it and place a company logo outside the door.
The above idea has some obvious problems with it but I'd like to think that what we all do for our families family could possibly scale.
Re:Supportless Linux (Score:3, Interesting)
I had this problem with one of my customer's. We have a multi-million dollar software package
Re:Supportless Linux (Score:2)
Now, I doubt you really want to perform upgrades without the customers' knowledge. The mysterious nature of that arrangement could lead them to blame anything out of the ordinary on
Re:Supportless Linux (Score:3, Funny)
OMG, imagine the possibilities!
_BOFH_Mode=ON_
SCANNING...
open
+gulp+
"Hmm
Re:Supportless Linux (Score:2, Interesting)
We have a misunderstanding. For the geek "broken" means one thing and for the would be live support client it would mean something else completely. When my father's computer needs fixing it means that he has an rpm dependency problem, wants Sorenson for his Xine or wants new fonts copied into the right directory. These things are very simple to a geek and would not be classified as a fault or instability.
The end user usually can not and should not have to deal with these issues. The automation of these
Re:Supportless Linux (Score:2)
I thought the beauty of Linux was that it _didn't_ need weekly fixen because the registry got messed up.
Beside the obvious troll of the registry comment (since there isn't one), Yea. For the most part, you are exactly right. No one is perfect. There are "oops" things that make it's way into ANY program on ANY platform. We all know who is the leader in that department, however...
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what do you do if the box breaks in su
Re:Supportless Linux (Score:2, Interesting)
The biggest hurdle to the Linux desktop... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The biggest hurdle to the Linux desktop... (Score:2)
Acceptance (Score:5, Insightful)
I like to see thing that will help Linux be accept by the masses but what I would want to make sure that any Linux distro should be able to do the following without me having to open a command window
Open MS Office files
Play games
Surf the net
As much a M$ might be a monopoly they have spent millions on the UI which works for 95% of the people 95% of the time. Why would someone accept anything less even if it a 1/3 or the price? I use Linux all the time and its great, but would my dad? Don't think so
Rus
Re:Acceptance (Score:2)
The Installation Issue. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:The Installation Issue. (Score:2)
Re:The Installation Issue. (Score:2)
copy a bootable image from the CD to the hard
drive, essentially giving you a fully functional
Debian installation. I believe that Knoppix even
comes with instructions on how to do this.
Consider the following (Score:5, Informative)
Why don't they have Linux on their desktops? When we looked at moving folks over, we ran into the following:
Testing the Red Hat, Lycoris, and Lindows desktop offerings we would have to buy a number of additional licenses - while we already have a campus license for MS Windows and Office.
Both Lycoris and Lindows seemed to have trouble recognizing some of our hardware - particularly Firewire and Wireless Networking.
In all three cases trying to use the available options for working with MS Word documents (used by virtually all our clients) showed compatibility problems with any of them that had a large number of tables or that used automatic labelling of Figures.
As a final straw, there is currently no way to sync a PocketPC with appointment and contact data on any of the Linux offerings. .02 worth...
:-)
My point is that no one is going to switch to Linux just to be running Linux to do the same things they do on Windows. The ONLY way that folks are going to be convinced to make the switch is to have a Linux that does something folks can't do easily or cheaply in Windows, and then promote the heck out of that.
Personally, I think that the Gimp is a start in the right direction - and that Lycoris and Lindows isn't.
Just my
Please take a moment and check out some soothing images [ewanphotos.com] if my commentary has stressed you
Re:Consider the following (Score:4, Informative)
huh? even if you bought a copy instead of a downloaded version, you still install it on unlimited machines. methinks you are unaware of the GPL. for hardware compat. try mandrake. yes, there is going to be file problems, but you were talking about programmers for your servers. and what exactly do you mean they have to "X-window into the linux servers..." how else might you do this other than on *nix?
i have used linux as a desktop OS for a few years. the problem is that everyone expects windows. it's like going into a great sushi restaraunt when all you've ever eating is fried catfish.
Re:Consider the following (Score:4, Interesting)
If you stick with Lindows or Lycoris, sure you won't be able to copy it due to the license of software bundled with Linux; however, Redhat does not require a license, although Redhat does sell support contracts.
In regards to hardware 'not working', there is a lot of hardware that works in Linux. You should not simply skip a distribution because IT didn't setup the Cd burner, setup the CD burner yourself.
You could use completely for free: Debian, Gentoo, Mandrake, Slackware, and a horde of others.
I personally recommend Debian because it has APT which allows you to download and install programs via 3 simple words ('apt-get install name-of-program). Gentoo is a great distribution; however, it requires more effort to install and will require you to compile all software from portage (like APT) which you wish to use. You may like Mandrake 9, it sets up a lot of hardware for you (more than any other distribution); however, it uses RPMs like Redhat so it is not as easy to maintain as Debian and Gentoo.
Re:Consider the following (Score:2)
Free (Unsupported) Download (Score:3, Informative)
Linux Needs Distros Like This (Score:4, Insightful)
Not a bad OS at all! (Score:2, Informative)
It has everything that everyone would need in an OS, plus a lot more. That's one thing that I love about Linux. It comes of literally hundreds of applications to get your jobs done quickly and easily.
Now one of the best attributes of this distribution was mentioned in the description of the story; a free online-rpm based installer. Lindows wan
Something about "Lycoris customers" (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Something about "Lycoris customers" (Score:2)
On lycoris being free (Score:2)
That makes it sound like you can't download it for free. AFAIK you have always been able to download it for free. For example the latest beta is available here. Someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/red
Performance? (Score:2)
my experience with lycoris (Score:2)
Re:ENOUGH! (Score:4, Interesting)
There are simply too many different flavours out there and this causes the problem of limited takeup beyond die-hard Linux users and the wider problem of quality.
As someone else on
In any other movement/"industry", there are periods of rapid growth followed by consolidation. Some might say this is when monopolies form - look at the motor industry or telecoms or computing. There used to be dozens of players in each field but this has shrunk down to a handful.
So - what's more important, diversity or quality? Only one of these will lead to greater adoption in the mainstream...
Re:ENOUGH! (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact that Linux can be forked off into a gazillion distro's, freely and willingly, is a *GOOD THING*.
Okay, so the old market forces may not agree with this.
But OS's are fast becoming irrelevant. Linux' dominance in the 'adapt to all environments' arena cannot be stopped: it runs on *EVERYTHING*, practically, whereas Windows only runs on PC's.
("PC's are not the most predominant computer platform. Cell phones are.")
What matters is the document formats.
Re:ENOUGH! (Score:2, Insightful)
Ideally, we'd have an LSB standard to follow and these wouldn't be issues, but unfortunately, there are enough differences between distributions that a software vendor _has_ to make these kinds of decisions. Consolidation,
Meandering thoughts (Score:2)
Forking is BAD for consumer products! (Score:2)
The worst support issues I ever had was with an office with three different versions of MS Windows, Win95, Win98, and WinNT. The minor differences in each OS caused immense ammounts of headaches and problems. Things didn't get any better until we nuked every hard drive in the building and put everyone on Windows 2000. And it wasn't Win2K that actually fixed the problem. It was that every
Re:ENOUGH! (Score:3, Interesting)
There aren't too many flavors of Windows that cause major problems for business' and home users alike?
Let's -- forgetting Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 we now have in the wilds and widely used: Windows 95, Windows 95B, Windows 95C, Windows 98, Windows 98se, Windows 98Bse, Windows NT 4.5x, Windows NT 5.x, Windows Me (how many builds?), Windows 2000 Home Edition, Windows 2000 Professi
Re:ENOUGH! (Score:2)
On the other hand, you compensated for missing releases by making up ones that didn't exist. Windows 200
I wish I was as leet as you! (Score:2)
You don't make Linux look any better when you spell Windows "Windoze", or any dirivative, nor when you spell MicroSoft or Bill Gates with a "$", nor when you call Bill "Billgatus". All you do is make Linux users look like 13-year old nerds sitting in their parents basements impotently thrashing in rage that MicroSoft still owns the desktop.
Re:Linux Lite (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Linux Lite (Score:3, Interesting)
I certainly remember playing the vastly superior variant 'Mined Out' or 'Rescue Bill The Worm From Certain Old Age' back in 1984 or so...
Re:Linux Lite (Score:2, Informative)
Now that brings back some memories. It was the only spectrum game my parents played. They'd stay up late muttering darkly about it while I lurked in the background suggesting Knightlore was infinitely superior, 3d and all.
Were there any earlier variants?
Mined Out [freeserve.co.uk] (link for my parents :-)
History of Minesweeper (Score:2)