Mandrake 9.0 for AMD 64-bit Technology 181
Wister285 writes "Mandrake Linux has released a version of their operating system that is compatible with AMD's 64-bit x86 architecture. This version is based upon Mandrake 9.0. In addition to this, Mandrake announced Corporate Server 2.1 for AMD64 to be released in April 2003 and MandrakeClustering for Opteron in June 2003. Although they say that you can download the operating system now, I cannot find any FTP servers. The press release is located on Mandrake's website."
MMmmkay (Score:2)
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Re:MMmmkay (Score:4, Funny)
Interesting, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Is anyone really running Mandrake on a business server? I thought their target market was educational users and the desktop...
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:2)
Are people at companies with more than a few machines actually still *doing* traditional installs at companies, instead of doing single installs, then duping the drives, or using something like Ghost ? If time is money, then time spent doing an install is a huge waste.
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:1)
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:2)
One of them wouldn't be Mandrakesoft, would it?
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:2)
As their French I am supprised they are actually *fighting* to stay in buisness, god one would think they would have ran up the white flag along time ago..
Les Français sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.
Odd. My French is pretty rusty, but it seems your French is much better than your English.
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:2)
Well, I reckon he used some translation engine to translate "the French are cheese-eating surrender-monkeys".
I'd like to know which one...The Babelfish does a bad job on this phrase, giving:
"les Français fromage-mangent des rendre-singes"
This brings up an interesting point about Babelfish: you get a better translation if you tweak the English wording to suit the target language.
"The French are surrender monkeys who eat cheese"
"Les Français sont des singes de reddition qui mangent du fromag
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:3, Funny)
Afloat? (Score:2, Informative)
Motherboards, Blades and even a peek at Win64 at CeBit [theinquirer.net]
A lot of business servers (Score:2)
I thought their target market was educational users and the desktop...
Think again
A lot of business servers actually (Score:4, Interesting)
According to Netcraft [netcraft.com], there are almost 100,000 web servers running Mandrake (look for Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer).
I thought their target market was educational users and the desktop...
Think again
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:2)
I also noticed today this interesting story at DesktopLinux.com - a guy working in a professional sound-production studio, for radio-broadcast, who has switched all the system from Windows to Mandrake Linux 9.0 and Ogg. He noticed that he had all his hardware working perfectly, and also noticed the quality of the MandrakeSoft support answers. This is a very interestin
Re:Interesting, but... (Score:2)
On a related note, Mandrake contribs for current Cooker (and thus for 9.1) has a multimedia-enhanced kernel (low-latency and pre-emptible patches applied to 2.4). One of the major focuses for 9.1 seems to be in audio workstations...
Awesome! (Score:1)
AMD & Linux-Mandrake
What is: "How do you make a flaming Hammer"?
Re:Awesome! (Score:5, Funny)
Silly...it's ManHamDrakServSetupConfig.
*sheesh*
Blade servers that compete with the big boys? (Score:1)
x86_64 (Score:5, Informative)
ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/mandrake/Mandrake/
Re:x86_64 (Score:1)
This file:
http://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/mandrake/Mandra
lists the last change as Feb. 26, 2003, so it is a *little* bit newer.
Since I'm at rutgers, I could download this thing really really fast.
Re:x86_64 (Score:2)
February 12th 2003. What about it?
In all fairness (Score:2, Informative)
Re:In all fairness (Score:3, Informative)
That's what urpmi / urpmf are for, and of course there's rpmdrake.
Apt. Feh.
Re:In all fairness (Score:2)
Re:In all fairness (Score:1)
In truth, if you like apt, use deb. If you like urpmi, use Mandrake.
Re:In all fairness (Score:2)
Re:In all fairness (Score:2)
Re:In all fairness (Score:2)
Mandrake may (if I have anything to say about it... I'm going to write the patches myself) get dependency-checked automatic source recompilation (with the ability to use precompiled packages where you don't want to build from source) in 9.2.
Re:In all fairness (Score:2)
Re:In all fairness (Score:2)
Re:In all fairness (Score:1)
Re:In all fairness (Score:1, Funny)
Pear-shaped linux geek:
"Why would you use Apt4RPM? You just need AKRN compiled with KRKS with scripting disabled. Either that or use QQKRHJKSIMABIGDUMMY. If that doesn't work, a simple shell script will update your dependencies. Its so simple."
Windows User:
"Click on Setup.exe. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go make out with my girlfriend."
Re:In all fairness (Score:2, Funny)
Yuck... (Score:2)
Re:In all fairness (Score:1)
Of course they may have imploved since Windows 98, but I would not know. Mandrake lets me do what I want for right now and Gentoo does not have enough configuration utilities for me right now.
Which would you prefer? (Score:2)
Great! (Score:1)
memory on my default distro...
What I wonder... (Score:1)
Is whether the Fritz chip will be on AMD motherboards? If so, Mandrake may be in a corner.
http://www.notcpa.org/members.html?PHPSESSID=8641e 28acdce91511fd69a42ffdb05a7
http://antitcpa.alsherok.net/phpnuke/html/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF -8&q=AMD+%22Fritz+chip%22&btnG=Google+Sear ch
That means AMD users will be in a corner as well.
embed those links! (Score:1)
notcpa [notcpa.org]
Fritz Google search [google.com]
Embed those links! (Score:1)
My bad, sorry :)
Once beaten, twice shy. :D
where's Hammer? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:where's Hammer? (Score:1)
I think the Opteron (server chip) comes out in May... it's the Athlon64 that's been pushed back to September
Re:where's Hammer? (Score:3, Informative)
It's critical for AMD to clobber the Intel Xeon. Opteron can do that. Without the fat margins from overpriced Xeons, Intel's ability to engage in desktop/mobile CPU price wars without gushing red ink will
Popular Distros (Score:5, Interesting)
But I came to find later that the ntfs.o module was no where to be found and I couldn't write (ro) my win2k partiiton. Which was a must. I tried compiling the included source but someone got all these errors just for the ntfs module. Very odd - I've been compiling my own kernels since 1.2.13 and never found these errors before (don't remember what they said now).
Finally, though my harddisk had DMA successfully enabled, I just couldn't convince RH8 to use DMA on my DVD drive - the absence of which made everything choppy. hdparm just told me that was not possible.
So I'm back with Mandrake 9.0. Which I'm generally happy with SAVE FOR ONE BIG HEADACHE. I installed the "dev workstation" setup. But I still find I must keep installing -devel.rpm's left and right. O.k., this isn't a real problem, but I've found that these -devel.rpm's and their dependencies are quite equally distributed across ALL 3 DARN CDs!! I normally have to put in 2 of the CDs if not 3 to install any one devel package. This is infuriating!! Why?
Re:Popular Distros (Score:2)
I was annoyed with this too. My solution was to mount
Re:Popular Distros (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Popular Distros (Score:2)
Why not just ftp over to a mirror, mget *-devel*.rpm, then rpm -i *-devel*.rpm ??
Re:Popular Distros (Score:2)
Or, even better: urpmi.addmedia [name] [mirror]
urpmi *-devel
Re:Popular Distros (Score:2)
Re:Popular Distros (Score:2)
So you're saying you can install redhat 8.0 to a reiserfs root without the biggest mid-install hacks??
FTP Location (Score:1, Informative)
Wrong! (Score:2)
Try research in the future.
Try reading the hole page
Wrong dates (Score:1, Insightful)
AMD64 == June
Hammer... No Ftp... Only one thing left to say... (Score:4, Funny)
im sorry. i had to.
Darn (Score:1)
Re:Darn (Score:2)
Re:Darn (Score:2)
Re:Darn (Score:3, Interesting)
On Friday, the first 9.1 CDs will be burned by Warly and the gang for internal testing over the weekend. The plan is to release to Club members on Monday. Free ISOs will not be available until after the boxes are in stores.
Of course it's compatible! (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Of course it's compatible! (Score:1)
It's like the transition from the 286 to the 386. Backward compatible, not forward compatible.
Re:Of course it's compatible! (Score:1)
Re:Of course it's compatible! (Score:2, Interesting)
x86-64 ia a logical step. It allows us to be 100% compatible with the hundreds of thousands of software packages that exist today, as well as 64-bit software.
As technologies progress, and the Mhz keep on getting pumped up, the performance hit by staying compatible becomes less of an issue. Obviously the Athlon64/Opteron is not
i just saw a hammer presentation (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:i just saw a hammer presentation (Score:2)
Re:i just saw a hammer presentation (Score:2)
Re:i just saw a hammer presentation (Score:2)
How so? Opteron has 128bit memory-bus with DDR333 RAM. Intel will soon have 128bit memory-bus with DDR400. Athlon64 only has 64bit memory-bus.
NetBSD was running on x86 more than a year ago (Score:1, Redundant)
Some perspective please? (Score:1)
Re:Not ftp's (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Not ftp's (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Not ftp's (Score:2)
Admittedly, I bought RH way back in the day, but I've downloaded it now, and I just download updates whenever I want.
And I use yum instead of the icky up2date or the better but still not ideal apt-get.
Re:Hammer! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Hammer! (Score:1)
Re:Hammer! (Score:4, Interesting)
Pro-MS, Pro-Linux, it doesn't matter - putting a slant of this kind on this is pretty silly. Somebody has to announce support first.
Re:Hammer! (Score:1, Informative)
You AMD fanboys are too busy cleaning up your own drool to take a look at the big picture.
linux is a slut! (Score:2)
whoer.
Re:Hammer! (Score:1)
You think AMD is betting the future of its company on linux?
Re:Hammer! (Score:2)
Bullshit. Cite one, single news item or press release that states this please.
Re:Hammer! (Score:2, Informative)
If MSFT wasnt going to support Hammer, they wouldnt have developed it.
The company names their flagship CPU line "Athlon XP" and you dont think they have very close ties inside Microsoft?
heres a link for you anyways [com.com] From april of 2002. I'll even read the opening line for you.
"AMD confirmed Wednesday that it will collaborate with Microsoft to tune Windows to run on its upcoming family of Hammer chips. "
A google of
Re:Hammer! (Score:1)
Re:Hammer! (Score:2)
Re:Hammer! (Score:1, Interesting)
And yes, Intel plans to ride out the Itanium...they see no value in a 64-bit x86 processor
Itanium, Shmitanium. (Score:5, Insightful)
With so much and so many on board with the x86-64 platform, it's fascinating that the industry leader [Intel] has all but written it all of as so much hype. Intel's line has never been that the Itanium is in the same league, which they consider to be nothing more than an extension of the 32 bit market. Intel's position on that is clear. Faster P4/Xeon, more cache, that's all anyone needs. (please resist the urge to throw in the old 640k quote) Itaniums are for bigger servers.
The irony is that IBM once, rather cavalierly, dismissed the PC, they learned the hard way, Intel seems bent on making a similar choice.
Do you need a 64 bit AMD? Well, hell yes, if your budget can afford it. Even /. drools a trough over the latest hi-tech toys and you know once the 64 bit systems hit shelves in the <$2000 range the floodgates will be open. Intel's best bet was/(may still be) Yamhill, but their pride would take a bruising following their little brother.
Re:Itanium, Shmitanium. (Score:1, Interesting)
Not really the same situation. IBM thought something like "People will never want their own computer- they're for businesses need to crunch lots of numbers". They dismissed a whole market segment, because they didn't believe it would catch on.
Intel is thinking something more like "Software companies aren't going to be realising much 64 bit software for PC users, so it
Re:Hammer! (Score:5, Insightful)
Which explains perfectly why Linux runs on the following architectures yet Windows does not, and I can say with a large degree of certainty, never will:
Alpha
ARM
IA64
M68K
MIPS
MIPS-64
PA-RISC
IBM S/390
SH (a.k.a Hitachi H8)
SPARC
SPARC64
Re:Hammer! (Score:1, Insightful)
Do I want the 6 foot high HP 3000 in the server room sitting on my desk? Nah, let it sit back there running MPE, or HP-UX.
Windows CE runs on some of those architectures as well.
Re:Hammer! (Score:2)
Re:Hammer! (Score:1)
(Best Bones impression): Dear God, man!
1) Windows is not just a desktop OS. Go drink some coffee. Windows 2000 Server ring a bell? =) IIS ring a bell? Whether it's a good server is another thread. Anyway, there are surely people who would like to put Windows up as a server on an old UNIX server running some archaic architecture. And using some old, beefy-in-their-day serv
Re:Hammer! (Score:2, Interesting)
IA64
Um, at least until recently MS supported Windows on Alpha, but since Alpha looks like a dying processor (market-wise), it doesn't make sense for Windows to continue to support it. And Windows will run on IA64 (Itanium, right?). Guaranteed. I think it already DOES run on that. Also, Windows used to run on PPC so it could conceivably do so again, if the processor market changed somewhat (doubtful).
Re:Hammer! (Score:2)
Which explains perfectly why Linux runs on the following architectures yet Windows does not, and I can say with a large degree of certainty, never will:
Well duh. Who would take the time to write the 5cr1p7-k1dd33 assembly priviledge escalation code for Windows on each of those processors?
Re:Hammer! (Score:1, Interesting)
Insightful my ass. (Score:5, Insightful)
Granted that the MIPS and PPC versions of NT were effectively footnotes, but there they were.
Re:Insightful my ass. (Score:2)
If Itanium does not take off, and it very well might bomb, then Microsoft is not going to touch it. I wouldn't bet large sums of money on it, but I might lay down $20 bucks.
Re:Insightful my ass. (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, certainly not Alpha, since that's officially a dead architecture.
MIPS and PPC...well, probably not, but the history of the previous ports of NT to those architectures suggests that MS will be happy to update those ports the moment someone shows them the money for it. This isn't as far-fetched as it might sound: remember that they're also pitching "Embedded NT" along with WinCE, and th
Ahem my ass (Score:2)
Re:Insightful my ass. (Score:2)
The Microsoft Windows Advanced Server, Limited Edition operating system is a full-featured, production-ready operating system designed specifically for the Intel Itanium 64-bit chip.
I didn't realize there was a limited edition as well
Re:Hammer! (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:1)