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Linux 2.4.3 Released 206

Posted by CmdrTaco from the well-isn't-that-special dept.
Joel Rowbottom writes "Kernel 2.4.3 is out, time to thrash those mirrors kids!" Download, Compile, Reboot, Repeat. If anyone has linkage to changelogs or something, please post them in the comments. I've been reliably running 2.4.x on a few boxes and loving it. Both X and my DVD drive both thank the kernel hackers.
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  • Re:Well.. (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Windows NT/2000/XP is a microkernel architecture.

  • Re:Scyld 2.2 kernel USB code not in 2.4? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Rumor has it that Linus and Becker had a falling out over implementation of PCI devices. Specifically network devices.

    However I would guess that there was something more. I would say that it was because the original beowulf distribution was done on the 2.2 kernel. I believe that Becker is fighting to maintain Linux as a High performance computing platform and doesn't want to see it pushed onto the desktop. Much of the development work for 2.4 was in the multimedia areas.

    Still... with larger disk and file sizes and bigger memory capacities being supported in the 2.4 kernel you would think that Becker would support the advances. He just prefered to Patch them rather than upgrade the entire kernel. The patch work in the Scyld distribution is pretty interesting.

  • Re:How complete is changelog? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    notice the repeated "Alan Cox: continued merging"? plenty of documented megaraid updates from alan's changelog:

    http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001- 03 -29-005-04-NW-KN

  • Re:Scyld 2.2 kernel USB code not in 2.4? (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I recall some bickering on linux-kernel quite some time ago between Donald and Linus (among others). I think Linus was asserting that there were a number of problems with his contributions, and that if he was more open with his code during development, instead of having mass releases, that the final result would likely turn out better.

    Donald got rubbed up the wrong way, and got in a right strop. Whether that concluded his efforts on linux-kernel or not, I don't know.

    Scottie

  • take off every 'grammar' (Score:3)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 30, 2001 @07:22AM (#327169)
    Both X and my DVD drive both thank the kernel hackers.
    All your English are belong to us?
  • dude, I am getting 486K/s

    not kpbs, actual K.

    -Davidu
  • What do you think this is, a #trax reunion? =)
  • The one problem with the moderation system is that people will moderate not based on what they know but on what they THINK the meta-moderators will do.

    So if they think that meta-moderators won't get the joke, they will moderate you down.

    This probably wasn't the case with the original post (probably someone didn't get it) but was almost certainly the case in your reply.

    The joke is on them, though, because the bottom line is that karma is useless, capped, and overrated.

  • Re:MIRROR (Score:1)

    by Alan ( 347 )
    Dont' forget that it's a .nu addresss.... I wouldn't expect huge transfer rates if you are in bumsville idaho :) Course, if you're a .nu-er, then it outta fly!

    (Vancouver, BC, Canada, nowhere near idaho, getting 113Kb/s over Telus DSL)
  • Actually I had a similar problem getting all my stuff onto rfs partitions. Don't remember if it was a panic or just a freeze, but I ended up going to do it in single user mode with *nothing* else going on. All is fine now, and rfs has been rock solid since, but yea, the initial problems made me re-think things a bit.
  • 2.4.2 is rock solid with Slackware-current. What's the diff? Pat et al have at least given us the ability to upgrade by recompiling kernels and not worrying about having to upgrade modutils and pppd. (It's already done).

    --
    WolfSkunks for a better Linux Kernel
    $Stalag99{"URL"}="http://stalag99.keenspace.com";

  • Re:Automatic Stanford Checker? (Score:5)

    by Stormie ( 708 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:35AM (#327176) Homepage

    Does anybody know what the Automatic Stanford Checker is?

    Seems that some guys at Stanford wrote some programs to scan the kernel source for various potential bugs, so that the maintainers could check them out. Here [mail-archive.com] are [mail-archive.com] some [mail-archive.com] examples [mail-archive.com] from Junfeng Yang and Dawson Engler. If you search the LKML archives [mail-archive.com] for "CHECKER", you'll surely find more.

  • I was able to fetch it at 1.06 MB/s using wget on a t3. Nice.
    --
  • What exactly does "Jens Axboe: more loop cleanups and fixes" cover, for example?

    Maybe cleanups and fixes for the loop block device driver? Naaah, that couldn't possibly be it...

    </sarcasm>
    _____

  • Its Different From Linus's Perspective (Score:3)

    by On Lawn ( 1073 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @10:50AM (#327179) Journal
    Linus has repeatedly said one of his favorite parts of linux is that it is how he wants it to be. No commitee, no voting, etc...

    I think that if there was a CVS, Linus would still run a kernel based on how he liked it and wanted it, and incorporate from the CVS if he wanted to.

    Think of it from his position, he wrote it and people have been helping him this whole time. Even big corporations submit patches to him. Its the ultimate life, the valhala of programming.

    Nevertheless, Linus is actualy a nice guy. Even though he never admits it, and goes out of his way to disprove it, he actualy likes helping people. He's happy to see his operating system be of such great service to so many people around the world. So we usualy wind up getting what we want. In fact, its his ability to please 95% of the Linux users that has kept us from any forks.

    A few distributed managed based forks have started here and there, especialy for such special interests as PPC. It would be interesting if a CVS fork of linux would ever take off.


    ~^~~^~^^~~^
  • I started downloading this. Then, I realised that I don't know who I'm getting it from, or what could have been changed in the source tree. Sorry Diclophis, next time sign the archive with GPG [gnupg.org] so people like myself can download it.

  • Pat and the gang have stated over and over and over again that it won't go into the distro until it hits 2.4.6 or so.

    We have?

  • This assumes you have a life, which considering the audience is ... optimistic :)

    ... said a member of the audience, without a shred of irony.

  • I must have read it a thousand times in the development forum, and that's not bad considering there are only 6000 or so posts.

    If you can find such a post, made by one of the Slackware developers, please let me know. I don't recall making any such statement myself, or reading any such from one of the other guys.

  • >I understand that for some people it is handy to have source code around, but why are kernels always distributed as source:

    Quiet simply to allow people to configure the kernel so they only compile + link what they need for thier hardware, etc

    I personally rarly use the generic kernels that come with distros.
  • What's scary is that they're already talking about kicking off 2.5! What's scary about this? Odd-numbered series are for new development, experiments, and Kernels Guaranteed To Mess With Newbie Heads(tm). Even-numbered releases are "supposed" to be stable; that's what the two development branches take care of. 2.4.x kernel releases now will (supposedly) only fix bugs or make very incremental improvements, not introduce big hairy new bits. :) If things are broken in 2.4, they'll get fixed. Have patience. Just don't scream for new features in an even-numbered series; while I know there have been exceptions, the "norm" is not to include them.
  • You don't need to download the whole source. Just get patches. The source is around 20MB now IIRC, but patches are usually only a few hundred KB.

    If you want a binary of a kernel, check to see if your distribution has an updated binary.

    As for figuring out which modules you need... Don't worry about that. Once you have one kernel made, there's a ".config" file that you can keep re-using. Simply copy the .config file into your new kernel source tree and do a "make oldconfig". This will keep all of your old kernel settings, and prompt you if you want to add any of the few new features. Then you just compile as usual.

    If you don't have the time or patience to figure out what modules you need, then it's most likely that you don't need to recompile anyway. If you want to "play", you should be willing to put in the time. :-)

    Cheers,
    Vic
  • bleah, i only got 132.23KB/sec. too slow.

    just for some contrast, i got 712.57KB/s from zeus.kernel.org. and i'm guessing that's just because it's overloaded right now; i can usually pull >1MB/sec from fast systems. that's one megabyte, not one megabit.

    ok, now that i'm done with the ego-stroking, time to get back to work... :)
  • >At least I don't have to compile Windows

    You loss man.
    ********************************************
  • Generally speaking, the more intelligent your comments, the more whiny, intellectually challenged trolls you are likely to receive. Don't feed them, they revel in your attention. Ignore them, and watch years of their life get chewed away by their impotent rage ... a favor in that it shortens their empty, meaningless existence.

    I for one thank you for your mirror. While the download to work (256k link) wasn't lightning fast, I did log into my home machine (21st Century) and do a wget that got the whole thing in less than 2 minutes. Hot Damn! :-)

  • More precisely (Score:3)

    by FreeUser ( 11483 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @07:55AM (#327190)
    You are correct, and I was a little fast and loose with my terminology. The MPAA is in a strategic alliance with the DVD Forum. Both are engaged in legal thuggary against the Free Software community, with the DVD Forum leading the charge.

    While the Japanese Anime studios are not, in and of themselves, members of the MPAA (the MPAA is, after all, a consortium of American companies), they do pay royalties and fees to the DVD Forum to publish their material in that format, which fees do play a large part in financing the DVD Forum's attack on Free Software dvd players for Linux and other alternative OSes (including the arrest and detainment of a 15-year old Norwegian programmer).

    I cannot comment on what, if any, Japanese media consortia Anime producers may be a part of, or what, if any, stance they take on Free Software, but I can unequivocably say that, every time you purchase a DVD with any kind of motion picture content on it you are in fact helping to finance a large and very potent attack against the Free Software community.

    If you cannot forgo the immediate gratification of purchasing DVDs and similar consumer products despite the knowledge that doing so harms the very community you believe yourself to be a part of that is your perogative. However, it is disingenuous to use semantics to imply that purchasing a particular product (e.g. Anime DVDs) is not harmful to a particular movement (e.g. the Free Software movement), when in fact the opposite is true.

  • On the other hand (Score:5)

    by FreeUser ( 11483 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @07:00AM (#327191)
    ... if it is a slow news day I'd much rather have kernel 0.0.x releases announced than read some review of the latest anime release on DVD, the former which holds little interest for me and the latter which I have been actively boycotting for more than a year now (and I must say in light of the MPAA's implacable attack on Free Software authors and users over the last year, I find it profoundly depressing that a site which claims to be a forum for Free Software news and advocacy will, in effect, promote the products which help to finance such attacks, but that is a rant for another day).

    Which just goes to show there are numerous tastes and interests among slashdot readers, some of whome wait breathlessly for the next point release of any software.

    More seriously, these announcements are I think more relevant early on in the new kernel cycle as more fundamental fixes are typically included ... I would hope such stories would diminish about the time 2.4.11 is being released.
  • It's still to buggy for the next version of slack.

    It may be true for some hardware configurations, but I've been running 2.4.x on several different slackware boxes, including one old laptop (Toshiba P-120 "Satellite Pro"), with no problems whatsoever (except for the glitches in loopback mounting, which I hear should be fixed in this release) for months now. Just download the source and go - why wait for an official .tgz?

    I just wish Mosix [mosix.org] would get updated for 2.4.x support - I've been itching to set it up at home again.


    ---
    "They have strategic air commands, nuclear submarines, and John Wayne. We have this"

  • Expect to see 2.4.4 sooner rather than later. 2.4.3 won't compile on an Alpha processor. The poor thing doesn't make it past 'init/main.c' with an error about conflicting types for 'pte_alloc' and 'pmd_alloc'.

    My continuing battle to get a DEC AlphaStation working with a USB Quickcam and Zip drive will have to wait for another day.

  • Ah, I am overrated cause the mod didna get the joke, *sigh* Should have figured.

  • Moral of the story: AC Moderators and the like need to

    A) Learn to take a joke

    B) Learn to be open to views that may diametrically oppose thiers

    C) Realize that this is an open forum. Yes, we have a moderation to point out posts that may be of particualr interest. Yes, the original joke that was posted was somewhat narrowly targeted (Towards people that have heard of/Listen to the Industrial band Front 242), but, IMHO, Just because one does not get a joke, that is hardly any reason to mod it down.

    My $0.02

    Mod me down for posterities sake, or just to hide my opinion, anyone that has been on this forum for as long as I have either doesn't read it anymore or they browse comments at -1 anyhow.

  • Damn (Score:4)

    by Ravenscall ( 12240 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:09AM (#327196)
    And I just got 2.4.2 running

    That, and Kernel 2.4.2 was just so industrial.

    Back to the noise.

  • ATTENTION CMDRTACO! (Score:4)

    by Black Perl ( 12686 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:06AM (#327197)
    From now on, when you post a "new Kernel release" story, please include a link to the changelog [kernel.org]. It's always a link on the homepage of kernel.org [kernel.org]. Do not encourage karma whores.

    Thank you.

  • Damn, I can't find that '-1, Ego boost' in my moderation selection list ;-)

    You lucky basterd! My theoretical topspeed is just 3.4 mbit, however in practice @home never has a good day...
  • Please mod this up as funny. I've lost my right to moderate replying to another comment...
  • Is there much of a performance increase between 2.2.x and 2.4.x? I'm a very large advocate of not fixing things that aren't broke...but if I would get a performance boost of upgrading from 2.2.17mdk, I might consider it.

    Otherwise, I'll wait for my favorite distro to jump on.

  • Re:Query to the 2.4.x users... (Score:3)

    by Kludge ( 13653 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @09:24AM (#327201)
    Depends on what you're doing. On our server, 2.4 NFS is about twice as fast as 2.2 and our SCSI RAID disks are about 3 times as fast.
  • Becker started his work on one of the bsds but the maintainers were so unreceptive and to 1337, they ignored his work and he gave up on them.

  • I know adaptec has taken over this driver, but what kind of improvements are in this kernel?

  • changelog (Score:4)

    by robinjo ( 15698 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @05:57AM (#327204)
    -final:
    - Kai Germaschewski: Makefile dependency fixes. ISDN update
    - Chris Mason: another reiserfs tail writing fix
    - unify pte/pmd allocation
    - undo some VIA PCI fixups - conflicting behaviour

    -pre8:
    - Paul Mackerras: PPC update for thread-safe page table handling
    - Ingo Molnar: x86 PAE update for thread-safe page table handling
    - Jeff Garzik: network driver updates, i810 rng driver, and
    "alloc_etherdev()" network driver insert race condition fix.
    - David Miller: UltraSparcIII update, network locking fixes
    - Al Viro: fix fs counts on mount failure

    -pre7:
    - more bugs found by the automatic stanford checker, yay!
    - Andrew Morton: fix SAK locking bugs by moving it into a process context
    - Johannes Erdfelt: USB updates
    - Jeff Garzik: merge Hermes driver by David Gibson
    - Jens Axboe: cdrom merges, ll_rw_blk proper accounting

    -pre6:
    - Jeff Garzik: network driver merge
    - Andrew Morton: fix missed page_table_lock unlock
    - David Miller: Qlogic,FC bufix, page allocation order problem.

    -pre5:
    - Rik van Riel and others: mm rw-semaphore (ps/top ok when swapping)
    - IDE: 256 sectors at a time is legal, but apparently confuses some
    drives. Max out at 255 sectors instead.
    - Petko Manolov: USB pegasus driver update
    - make the boottime memory map printout at least almost readable.
    - USB driver updates
    - pte_alloc()/pmd_alloc() need page_table_lock.

    -pre4:
    - Petr Vandrovec, Al Viro: dentry revalidation fixes
    - Stephen Tweedie / Manfred Spraul: kswapd and ptrace race
    - Neil Brown: nfsd/rpc/raid cleanups and fixes

    -pre3:
    - Alan Cox: continued merging
    - Urban Widmark: smbfs fix (d_add on already hashed dentry - no-no).
    - Andrew Morton: 3c59x update
    - Jeff Garzik: network driver cleanups and fixes
    - Gérard Roudier: sym-ncr drivers update
    - Jens Axboe: more loop cleanups and fixes
    - David Miller: sparc update, some networking fixes

    -pre2:
    - Jens Axboe: fix loop device deadlocks
    - Greg KH: USB updates
    - Alan Cox: continued merging
    - Tim Waugh: parport and documentation updates
    - Cort Dougan: PowerPC merge
    - Jeff Garzik: network driver updates
    - Justin Gibbs: new and much improved aic7xxx driver 6.1.5

    -pre1:
    - Chris Mason: reiserfs, another null bytes bug
    - Andrea Arkangeli: make SMP Athlon build
    - Alexander Zarochentcev: reiserfs directory fsync SMP locking fix
    - Jeff Garzik: PCI network driver updates
    - Alan Cox: continue merging
    - Ingo Molnar: fix RAID AUTORUN ioctl, scheduling improvements
  • Well, lets see. I've got a few reasons. Lets start with the small ones first.

    I did about 2 1/2 years worth of "volunteer work" growing themes.org and its children. Even got asked to head up the site a couple times... Quite an honor, but I declined it. McCombs turned around and sold themes.org to VA Linux Systems when he signed on..Sold what basically amounted to our work, our builds, our code, our maintenance, not his. Yeah, he came up with it, but had very little to do with maintaining it. Thats #1.

    #2 is even better---How VA treats people. I hate VA for what they did to people I respected greatly--Here's a fun story for you to think about: I knew and worked with a guy named David Coulson, aka Techn0ir..He lives in England. VA promised him employment over here in America, contingent upon delivery of themes.org's V2 code & backend. So, David, thinking this was his golden opportunity to stake his claim in the new dot com boom, dropped out of school, laid down like $1500 on a new setup and new gear, and busted his ass overtime for WEEKS to come up with something elegant, beautiful and useful. He worked as hard as he could, and did a better job than anyone could have imagined..And delivered on his promise. When it came time to hold out his hand, VA did nothing. Absolutely nothing. So, since David had dropped out of school, he now needed to wait another 6 months to re-enroll. Worse than that, he was screwed out of a job and $1500 poorer while VA generates banner sales 24 hours a day directly off his work. Thats your wonderful community-friendly company, bud. Funny thing is, i've heard about that same basic story happening to at least 3 other people doing work for VA. Spot a trend here?

    Third is even more fun -- They're a corrupt company at the core. Hell, what more proof do you need? No less than nineteen separate class-action lawsuits alleging securities fraud have been filed against this company! They're under investigating by the SEC, for Christ's sake! This doesn't happen by accident! Theres enough proof out there that VA knowingly dicked their investors (hah, and people called me nuts for NOT investing my money in them, believe it or not) that they're all going to court to sue whatever few pennies the company has left to operate on. Yeah, VA is innocent -- And OJ wasn't guilty either, right?

    Last, and finally, is my personal vendetta against them for what Biles, McCombs and Guntharp did to us. Us, meaning myself and the 11 other people who made up System 12. Caitlen, M0par, John, Ashp, all of us got royally screwed off the map by Trae McCombs who took what we believed were private conversatons regarding our development, and funneled them to Guntharp, a full-time VA employee and McCombs "best friend", at least according to McCombs. When it became clear that VA was going to buy Andover last year, Guntharp was ordered to stop production on ColdStorage, the Freshmeat clone (why waste effort replicating what you're eventually going to own in a matter of weeks?) So, Guntharp did the only thing he knew how to do - Rip off the work of others. An unwitting patsy who had no idea where the ideas were coming from. SourceForge is the result of that, namely, the result of conversations McCombs and I had during the summer of '99. Hell, we even came up with the fucking name, let alone the concept, and we were actively engadged in developing it by the time we got nailed.

    Put that in your damn "I (heart) VA!" pipe and suck it down. Ignore it all you want -- Your supporting a company that has fundementally screwed the Linux community. Wait for them to go bankrupt, then the real dirt will come out. The 150-some-odd employees they laid off last month are already starting to talk.

    Want more?


    Bowie J. Poag
  • very nice... 145kbps from here, and my network sux ass!
  • can you export your ReiserFS over NFS yet?

  • Scyld 2.2 kernel USB code not in 2.4? (Score:5)

    by leperjuice ( 18261 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @07:29AM (#327208)
    I'm confused as to why Donald Becker's [scyld.com] (creator of Beowulf and maintainer of a good number of the linux NIC drivers) USB code [scyld.com] which was back-ported from 2.3 to 2.2 had not been "forward-ported" to 2.4.

    I ask this because one of the USB ethernet devices he supports (the CATC device) is not, as far as I can tell, included in the 2.4 kernel (although the pegasus USB-ethernet device is, but I'm not sure if that's his or not). Does anyone know why there is this split?

    See above for my obligatory Beowulf reference...

  • I understand that for some people it is handy to have source code around, but why are kernels always distributed as source:
    - they're huge downloads
    - all you do with them is compiling (and hope you don't screw up somewhere)
    - most configuration takes place after compilation (inserting modules and that sort of stuff).

    I'd love to play with this new kernel release, however I don't have the time nor the patience to build the thing and figure out which modules I need.
  • You linux people begin to sound like government officials: not my job! go fuck yourself!

    Just kidding :-), but seriously. Binaries are acceptable for just about anything but the kernel. It is good enough for me that the source code is available. I have no wish to have it on my hard drive though. I (and I'm pretty sure the majority of linux users) have no intention of editing a single line of it (and again, if we do we are capable of finding the ftp site). The compilation process is time consuming and not something for newbies. In addition it seems to consist mainly of choosing what to compile and what not to compile. Yet it is the only way to get important security updates and other important stuff.

    What is it that puts the kernel aside from other software packages?

    To answer a few concerns you point out:

    "Should it support athlon? P-III? 386? All?"

    Who owns a 386 these days anyway? The majority of users would be happy to use a 586 build (Mandrake gets their whole revenue from 586 builds!).

    "Compiling a binary for each separate hardware is not the task of the kernel.org-people"

    Assuming they run tests before they release, they should have some builds readily available (at least for commonly used platforms like i586). If not, I'm sure some linux distributers would be quite capable of compiling (I hope).

    "Which is why you probably use mandrake, redhat or suse or similar and are happy with it."

    I run debian. I must admit I like apt-get. But the install procedure is naive at best (debian developers are completely unaware of the concept of usability if you ask me).
  • md5sum linux-2.4.3.tar.gz

    I get:

    4675f8378b669436462f4297d03344c3

    for both the above mirrored kernel (jbardin), and the one I downloaded from www.kernel.org (at ~5 MB/s, btw; Thanks VA Linux!)
  • If you haven't already deleted your old source tree, copy /usr/src/linux-old.version.number/.config into /usr/src/linux-new.version.number and run make oldconfig.

  • Re:Automatic Stanford Checker? (Score:5)

    by cowbutt ( 21077 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:33AM (#327213) Journal
    It's a set of extensions to gcc (g++, actually) which can be programmed to look for semantic, rather than syntactic flaws in code, automatically. The theory is that if a class of bug turns up once, it'll probably occur throughout a given codebase. More details at http://hands.stanford.edu/ [stanford.edu].
  • Both X and my DVD drive both thank the kernel hackers

    This message brought to you in part by the Department of Repetition Department.
  • ftp://ftp.in-span.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.kernel.org/p ub/linux/kernel/ or http://ftp.in-span.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.kernel.org/ pub/linux/kernel/ have at it...
  • Much as I hate to admit it, you also need to include a number of the Japanese companies, for their inclusion in the DVD-CCA (Copy Control Association), which I believe most of the major media manufacturers are involved in, and which has been involved in a number of the cases in the U.S.
  • I've got 2.4.0 running just fine on my x86...is there anything that is signficantly better about 2.4.3? I've been taking "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude lately...
    --------------------------
  • Would this be a case for having the kernel on CVS? One could easily browse the changelog...

    And why does Linus not use CVS? If the entire "more eyes, less bugs" theory holds true, Linux should improve even faster if the most bleeding edge code is seen...
    --------------------------

  • For those still using 2.2.X (Score:4)

    by hardaker ( 32597 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:52AM (#327222) Homepage
    It should be noted that 2.2.19 was also just released a few days ago.

  • Anime Companies are not MPAA Members (Score:3)

    by Valdrax ( 32670 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @07:30AM (#327224)
    The MPAA is composed of all the major American movie studios. Japanese companies and the American companies that distribute anime (such as ADV Films, AnimEigo, etc.) are not members of the MPAA as far as I can tell.

    From http://www.mpaa.org/Press/DVD_FAQ.htm [mpaa.org]:

    What is the MPAA and who are the members?
    The MPAA is the trade association for the motion picture industry. The members of the MPAA are: Buena Vista Pictures Distribution, Inc. (The Walt Disney Co., Hollywood Pictures, Touchstone Pictures, Miramax Films Corp.); Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. (Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures, United Artists Pictures, Orion Pictures); Paramount Pictures Corporation; Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc. (Columbia Pictures, TriStar Pictures); Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation; Universal Studios, Inc.; and Warner Bros., a division of Time Warner Entertainment Company, L.P.

    I don't see a single company that makes or distributes anime in there, unless you count Disney for "Princess Mononoke." If your real beef is with the DVD case, then buy your anime on VHS and be done with it. Don't go casting aspersions on the industry, though.

    I'm the president of an anime club at my college, and the commercial companies have been very, very nice to us about letting us show anime to people in our local theatre. Normally, to do a public showing for a movie, you don't contact the studio. They'll blow you off and send you to the distribution houses, such as SWANK or Critereon. Instead, you those distributors $50-200 for a copy of the movie licensed for public showing. Most commercial anime companies, however, are nice enough to grant permission to show their stuff for free. They realize that without fans, they wouldn't have jobs and will treat people right. These guys are the good guys. They aren't in a position to stick it to their customers and will attempt to please them as much as possible.

  • Will this improve the stability of the reiserfs under heavy update load over 2.4.2?

    I was licking my chops in anticipation of a stable reiserfs, but when I actually installed it, it caused a panic when I was cpio'ing the data from my old ext2 partitions. Maybe this was only a problem when doing massive updates, but it soured me on reiserfs for production use.

    I'm thinking maybe I'll wait for xfs or ext3.

  • At least I don't have to compile Windows

    Yep, you get ALL the features that Redmond dictates that you should have implemented as a giant bucket of interdependent DLLs.

  • Hooray, Linux kernel x.x.x is released so why the big uproar?

    What uproar? As they say, YMMV; if you're happy with 2.4.2, then fine, it ain't news. If you have some of the problems fixed in 2.4.3, it's important news.

    I understand about promoting something you enjoy shit I do it all the time, but its not as if every time Linux releases a newer kernel that it has done something that requires such groundbreaking news, or even more than a minutes worth of overlooking

    Looking over the changelog, it's not earth shaking, but there are few tidbits of interest to me. Maybe there's nothing interesting to you, but that's news for you. If 2.0.36 works for you, or if you're one of the remaining Linux uptime hobbyists, then just skip the story for chrissakes. Things could be worse you know -- you could be a BSD advocate.

  • It's still to buggy for the next version of slack. Pat and the gang have stated over and over and over again that it won't go into the distro until it hits 2.4.6 or so. Which means a rock solid slack release some time in may, with the 2.2.19 kernel.
  • Thanks for the thought. Someone modded me down though so my thanks to the kernel team actually hurt my karma.

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  • To those that contributed... (Score:3)

    by macdaddy ( 38372 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:19AM (#327234) Homepage Journal
    ...thanks. Many people get overlooked in the process of contributing to such a grand project, so let's not neglect to commend them for their efforts. All of us appreicate your what you do!

    No, I'm not whoring (karma whoring).

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  • ReiserFS is the main thing you get. It's just too groovy when my laptop runs out of power when I squeeze every last drop of juice from the battery and unlike windows, it pops up at pretty much the same speed when I recharge it (no fsck!). ReiserFS is also a rather fast filesystem and there are no tools to resize such a filesystem, etc.

  • Oh My God (Score:5)

    by skware ( 78429 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:06AM (#327246) Homepage
    now they are actively merging Alan Cox in to the kernel, so now we'll have one kernel with multiple personality disorder, instead of two with a singular personality disorder

  • Re:Kernel Hackers (Score:5)

    by StorminNorman ( 83059 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:49AM (#327247)
    I know he isn't a kernel hacker, but i use KDE as my primary desktop so...

    The other day, the games-sig of my local LUG (The Linux Gamers League [luv.asn.au]) held a LAN here in Melbourne. One of the people that turned up, to my surprise at least, was Sirtaj Singh Khan, aka Taj, one of the KDE developers (he wrote KView, along with contributing code to various other parts of the KDE Project).

    I took the opportunity there and then to walk up to him, and to thank him for providing me with what (IMHO) is a better desktop system than some of the more commercial efforts out there. (and yes, i know that KDE has it's fair share of bugs, but i don't care. It works for me). He had a lot of interesting things to say about the future of KDE and where he thought that Linux should be going. I could quite happily have given up all the gaming that day, just for the 15-20 minutes that i got to speak with him.

    So, yes, if you ever get the opportunity to meet an author of the open source software you use, then say thank you, especially because these guys aren't getting paid to write this stuff.
  • Next after what? If you mean "the next one after fisher" then ->
    ncftp /pub/redhat/beta > ls -l
    drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb 21 07:18 wolverine
    It's been around for a couple[1] of days or so.
    If you mean "the next one after wolverine" then I suspect that there won't be one, look for -final RSN[2].
    -Mith
    [1] for large values of 'couple'
    [2] Real Soon Now
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  • Currently I'm being affected by issues resolved by the 'x86 PAE update for thread-safe page table handling' mentioned under -pre8, the 'new and much improved aic7xxx driver 6.1.5', and the loopback problems (which I've patched to fix until 2.4.3). Many people are using 2.2 or 2.4.3, and many of them are indeed just fine. I've been waiting for this release, though, and was happy to see the announcement.
  • Is there an encryption patch so I can use a loopback fs to make an encrypted partion. I'm doing this in my 2.2 kernel and I don't want to upgrade if I can't patch it for this?

  • Automatic Stanford Checker? (Score:3)

    by Tom7 ( 102298 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:23AM (#327263) Homepage Journal
    Does anybody know what the Automatic Stanford Checker is (mentioned in pre7)? Sounds intriguing..
  • freenet:KSK@linux/kernel/v2.4/patch-2.4.3.bz2 [localhost]
    freenet:KSK@linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.3.tar.bz2 [localhost]

    Just try slashdotting that!

    Check out freenet at http://freenet.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

  • If the Linux you're running is happy and stable and does what you want, just nod and move on with your life.

    Rich

  • Ok, now I'm forced to plug my kernel rebuild procedure:
    http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/kernel.html

    I just installed 2.4.3 on RedHat 6.2 using these procedures.

  • I hope you DID check the PGP signature?
  • What concerns me is that the changelog [kernel.org] is clearly incomplete.

    I only discovered know this because there's been a bug in drivers/scsi/megaraid.c since 2.4.0. Based on a kernel dev message [dynhost.com], I've made the one-character patch locally, and all is well. I've checked 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 hoping that the patch would get into the standard distro.

    So today, even though there's no mention of megaraid.c in the changelog, I check a diff between my patched megaraid.c and the new one, and find that it might as well have been rewritten. Diffs galore, but there's no mention in the changelog.

    Maybe the changes are mentioned, but because I don't know who does what, I can't recognize them. What exactly does "Jens Axboe: more loop cleanups and fixes" cover, for example?

    I wonder how many other changes are in there that aren't mentioned in changelog?
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  • And even better is using <LINUXSRCDIR>/scripts/patch-kernel!
    Just change into your patch directory and issue:

    # <LINUXSRCDIR>/scripts/patch-kernel <LINUXSRCDIR>

  • Re:Adaptec's going to bury Linux support (Score:3)

    by shlong ( 121504 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @07:59AM (#327277) Homepage
    You silly, silly person. I know that you're a troll, but I hate to see misinformation spread around.

    http://linux.adaptec.com [adaptec.com]

  • Re:aic7xxx: what's so good? (Score:4)

    by shlong ( 121504 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @07:28AM (#327278) Homepage
    I know adaptec has taken over this driver, but what kind of improvements are in this kernel?

    1. Active maintainership by the vendor. The author of the previous driver is no longer maintaining it.
    2. More robust. This is not meant as a sleight again Doug. This driver has more bugs fixed. That's the one of the advantages of the previous point.
    3. True U160 support. The old driver only worked with some U160 configurations, and didn't support U160 transfers.
    4. Shared codebase with FreeBSD. This shouldn't surprise anyone, as Justin is a FreeBSD developer. And before you get your panties in a bunch, please remember that the old driver was a port of Justin's work.
  • here's the Changelog [kernel.org], as requested...
  • Thanks,

    The downloaded managed to max out my cable connection, and I'm in Australia.

    You are one well connected son-of-a-bitch ;)

  • The above troll is dying (Score:5)

    by CptnHarlock ( 136449 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @07:53AM (#327286) Homepage
    There may be no future at all for the "??? is dying" troll because the "??? is dying" troll is dying. Things are looking very bad for "??? is dying" troll. As many of us are already aware, the "??? is dying" troll continues to lose market share; red ink flows like a river of blood.
    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    Troll leader Anonymous Coward states that there are 7000 users of "BSD is dying troll". How many users of "Red Hat is dying" are there? Let's see. The number of "BSD is dying" versus "Red Hat is dying" posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 "Red Hat is dying" trolls. "Mandrake is dying" troll on Usenet are about half of the volume of "Red Hat is dying" trolls. Therefore there are about 700 users of "Mandrake is dying" troll. A recent article put "Debian is dying" troll at about 80 percent of the Linux market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 "Debian is dying" trolls. This is consistent with the number of "Debian is dying" Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of www.hotgrits.org, abysmal sales and so on, "Debian is dying" troll went out of business and was taken over by "Mandrake is dying" troll who sell another troubled troll.

    Major marketing surveys show that "??? is dying" troll has steadily declined in market share. "??? is dying" troll is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux is to survive at all it will be among troll hobbyists and dilettantes. "??? is dying" troll continue to falter. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all intents and purposes, "??? is dying" troll is dead.


    Get it through you thick head you boring troll!.. It's not funny nor is it fooling anyone.

    Cheers...
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    $HOME is where the .*shrc is

  • Buslogic driver in 2.4.x (x 3) is messed up (Score:3)

    by martinde ( 137088 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @07:29AM (#327287) Homepage
    If you've got a Buslogic BT948 or BT958, you want to update to kernel 2.4.3. It has fixes for a problem that have caused ext2fs problems for myself and others. I don't see this listed in the changelogs so I thought I would mention it.
  • 2.4 isn't supposed to go into /usr/src/

    From the README file:

    Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! This area has a (usually incomplete) set of kernel headers that are used by the library header files. They should match the library, and not get messed up by whatever the kernel-du-jour happens to be.

  • It's about as fast as it can go on my rather slow 512kbp/s cable modem. Very nice.
  • I'm sure you would have to compile Windows if you had a zip file full of the source and nothing else. That's why we have distros, so that those of us that don't care about being bleeding edge don't have to be.
  • Most-to-all of the changes between 2.4.0 and 2.4.3 should be bug fixes (include an ext2 corruption bug, IIRC) and minor updates. Feature-wise, it should be mostly the same.

  • Kernel Hackers (Score:3)

    by tomknight ( 190939 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:24AM (#327309) Journal
    It just hit me, looking at the changelog (that soooo many people have thoughtfully posted here) how fantastic this whole open source actually is. How many of you guys and gals have every stiopped to think about that shitty bug that's always annoyed you, then been fixed. It's due to the hard work and effort of people working on the problem because they want to.

    Step back. Think about the effort that's gone into this product. Find some way to say thank you.

    Tom.

  • two drives using software raid5 on four partitions? Dude, that is crazy. Use RAID0 or mirroring. In your setup everything is slower because the disk is having to write the same data on different areas of the same disk. That negates on of the major advantages of RAID, which is to take advantage of the interface speed by combining disks to rw in parallel.

    In addition, because you are only using two disks, on RAID5, you are not fault tolerant at all.

    In addition to all that, reiser had serious problems with (software) RAID 1 or RAID5.

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  • With each version, everything gets better

    That of course depends on your definition of "better". After many years in software development .. I know all about "better".

  • Re:MIRROR (Score:3)

    by Diclophis ( 203740 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:22AM (#327318) Homepage
    Is this all your girlies can hit me with COME ONNNNN I want to test my connection here... lets see this 'slashdot' effect allready...

  • MIRROR (Score:5)

    by Diclophis ( 203740 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @05:57AM (#327319) Homepage
    http://sig.mine.nu/~jbardin/linux-2.4.3.tar.gz [sig.mine.nu] Just try and slashdot me ;)
  • Sorry, how is this different from getting a pre-compiled distro, and using a pre-compiled module?

    No current version of Windows uses a microkernel architecture, which is I think what you're getting confused about.

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  • Actually, please don't post that link. It will only serve to provide the slashdot effect on the poor kernel.org servers even further, just put it in the post please. :P -bbh
  • you great big dirty karma whore! :)

  • Yay! (Score:4)

    by TWX_the_Linux_Zealot ( 227666 ) on Friday March 30, 2001 @06:02AM (#327332) Journal
    Now I can download a whole new kernel, go through the mess of installing it with weird hardware, and get no new features for what I'm running!

    Not to sound too cynical, but excitement over 0.0.1 upgrades is a little silly, considering that lots of people are still happily chugging away with 2.2, and 2.4 won't really help them.

    "Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
  • Remember that if you allready have 2.4.0, 2.4.1, or 2.4.2 source, you don't need to download the full tarball, just the patches. Apply in order until your at the current version.

    cd /usr/src
    gzip -cd patchXX.gz | patch -p0
    or
    cd /usr/src
    bzip2 -dc patchXX.bz2 | patch -p0


    Oh, and access via http [kernel.org] seems to be working better than ftp.
  • At least I don't have to compile Windows, thanks to a proper object-oriented driver model. Of course, BeOS with its completely modular component-based systems is even more preferable. But unfortunately it lacks the marketing hype of Microsoft and the ease of use of Linux.
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  • yet no news is posted when Windows releases a patch.

    Because Windows doesn't release patches often if at all. Hmm - still waiting for WIn2K SP2 - It'll be out in a few weeks - called WinXP. Cost you a hundred bucks :)

    The only patches I ever see publicized on Micro$oft are the IE security fixes. Otherwise WIndowsUpdate takes, IMHO, a very nice tool, and renders it worthless for lack of content. Why not offer WIndowsupdate options to include hotfixes, and other platform dependant fixes?

    I'm glad the kernel gets updated regularly - I'd rather read through the Changelog once or twice a week then sit in wonder when Microsoft will grace us with the fixes we want/need.

    Yes Microsoft has hotfixes and such, but its a nightmare finding them and there is no running log of what's changed, been released, etc.

    Running 2.4.3 as of 7AM this morning and loving it. 2.4.3pre8 was just getting too old. LOL.

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  • Hooray, Linux kernel x.x.x is released so why the big uproar? No this is not to start a flame war or troll about, but think about this for a second, Linux is releasing kernel revisions daily, yet Linux users complain about Windows fallacies on this subject and on that one, yet its Linux coming out with constant revisions and patches (which to me are equivalent to MS service packs or updates) yet no news is posted when Windows releases a patch.

    Now for the majority of Linux users here, do you guys honestly buy that much hardware, that you have to download every single kernel rev that comes out? I've used Linux for years now and have went on letting kernel patches go up without download 20mb of the latest beta kernels, and had my systems running just fine, without incidents, proving that a kernel rev is nothing newsworthy.

    I understand about promoting something you enjoy shit I do it all the time, but its not as if every time Linux releases a newer kernel that it has done something that requires such groundbreaking news, or even more than a minutes worth of overlooking

    Anyways I'll see this -2 soon by Linux advocates, I think a slew of people just download the latest to try to look cool... uname -a (wow)

  • Yeah, whatever. He does have a fat pipe, I already downloaded it from him.

    Thanx Diclophis.

    - dave f.
  • Unlike you, I don't post to get modded up.

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