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Linux Beer Hike 2000 84

troc writes: Here's the "info on this year's Linux Beer Hike sponsored by SuSE (and others). It's a European event, where Linux users wander around a nice hilly area, drink beer and exercise their minds of an evening doing Linuxy stuff. " I wanted to go last year, but my flabby ass probably shouldn't be goin' on ye old hacker hike ;)
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Linux Beer Hike 2000

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  • No eclipse this year. :-(

    Next year are they gonna head for southern Africa to try to catch the eclipse again?

    I know I'm gonna try to be there for it, but don't particularly want to travel there on my own. So if there's a LBW connected with it I'd consider joining.
  • snip

    The best I've had is Killians Irish Red. It's pretty stout, and fsckin' good.

    Good? It's fabulous! (And what I'm drinking right now!)

  • Corona == beered down water


  • That sounds really, really cool!
    I'd better start saving up now...
  • not after they've drunk beer :-)
  • by morbid ( 4258 )
    It is. It is illegal to buy beer in a pub if you're under 18, illegal to consume it if you're under 18, to buy it for someone who is under 18 or to attempt to buy it if you're under 18 or for someone who is.

    It's best not to try. the fine is 400 pounds, and the pub can loose its license.

    But you're right, they're far less puritanical about alcohol over here than in the USA.
  • Ummm... it _IS_ in England. In the Lake District.
  • I was in Minneapolis and then Philadelphia in
    January and discovered to my delight that Sam Adams seems to be available on tap in lots of bars in the States these days. Speaking as someone who
    takes his beer seriously, I would say that's a good start. I really can't manage to get the Bud/Coors/Schlitz (sp?) stuff down my throat, it's not what I would call a real beer. Can't say I'm a big fan of Corona either, but on a very hot day at a ball game it would be acceptable. Of course over here, we drink the stuff at cellar temperature and I find that beer chilled to US temperatures is already off on a losing streak ....
  • by JAK ( 6169 )
    I don't know if things have changed in the past ten years, but when I was in Germany, beers were typically served at just below room temp...cool at best. And they didn't taste "terrible" at all but quite tasty, as a matter of fact.

    A joke among the Germans is that Americans drink their beers cold in order to hide the taste.

    Personally, I believe there are no bad beers...just some are better than others.

    -john
  • Who is going to carry Cowboy Neal?

  • -PeptoBismol (litres).
    -Notebook w/extra batteries.
    -Linux CD's
    -TUX Tatoo
    -Beer
    -GPS (just for holding something electronic while you hike)
    -Gb's of MP3's (have you ever noted that suddenly there's silence and you hear a guy asking "Did someone bring some music?"
    -Power Adapters (You never got one of them when on the road)
    -Tools (It's frustrating trying to open a notebook with a knife)
    -A signed note from your family were they certify their understanding of what means "Linuxbierwanderung".
  • Why should the Europeans have all the fun? I say
    we have our own!
  • Mmmm!!!
  • We'll get a bunch of Linux people together and wander around in the dirt fields for a while. (Dirt farming really *is* an actual occupation here, seriously)

    Then we'll drink some 3.2 Okie beer, take a whiz, and go home with a headache and a sunburn.

    It's hard to walk for long in a pair of cowboy boots though.

    Someone on this hike drink some Sharps for me and explain in great detail what it tasted like.

    (UK Sharps != US Sharps)

    (...cont...for you UK'ers who don't get that, Sharps here is a non-alky 'beer'....shameful.)

    (ObUK-USBeerStory: When I was over there about 3 years ago, in a pub on Lizard point, some poor sod was drinking *US* Budweiser. Discuss.)
  • If I had moderator points, you would have moderator points. I knew the WWW seemed... lacking, but I did not know where to find what I was missing. Thank You for the link!
  • Mmmmm, cheap wine. I can appreciate a $2.50 bottle of wine with a twist off cap. Especialy when you read the fine print and see that it's not really wine, it's a "fine malt beverage". Of course, good beer still tastes way better, but there's nothing like an evening with some friends where everyone gets a bottle of three of cheap ass wine.

    itachi
  • Dude, Pilsner Urquell is THE pilsner. There is no other pilsner that can compare, the rest are (literally, since Pilsner Urquell was the first pilsner) poor imitations. But good beer can be found in the US, you just have to look harder. Victory makes some good stuff, and Bert Grant's, and in Cleveland there's Great Lakes, and they make a wicked good Dortmunder. Suprisingly, there is good american beer made in bulk - there's a hefe-weissen made by Miller (iirc) that is way good, too. But the best way to go, wherever you are, is local beer, which is why Philly rocks for beer (Victory, Yards, and a few dozen small brew pubs).

    itachi, who could use a nice pint of Mackeson Milk Stout right now...

  • There may be pilsner you like better, but there's a reason that it's called Urquell. It's the first. It literally the pilsner that all of the others are trying to emulate. Though truth be told, pretty much any really good pilsner is good enough for me. Anyone near Philly should try both the Stoudt's and Victory pilsners. Yum.

    itachi
  • Beer in the Czech Republic is as good as Austria, and it's usually about US$0.07 per pint (In touristy area, you'll pay up to 50-cents...)

    Plus the Czechs are hiking maniacs... every trail is marked incredibly well, so that even the most drunken Penguin can find her way from town to town...

    "Just follow the markers, you can't get lost", say the Czech.

    Hmmm... "LinuxPivo Jit Pesky"
  • Dominion Lager New River Pale Ale Mostly available in Virginia, USA
  • Personally, Bemidji is much more scenic. It could also be done at Itasca SP. Hang out at the headwaters of the Mississippi, talk Linux, drink a little and thank god that none of us actually brought snowshoes!

    -Vel

    P.S. Its even closer to the geek compound than England so perhaps CT and Hemos could make it.
  • I'd love to have a Dortmunder Dark right about now...
  • German beer, while better than the piss that Americans apparently enjoy drinking, gets a little samey after a few liters.

    Do you have any suggestions for beer available in the US. What's your favorite? Since I've always lived in the US and American beer is all I know, I don't have much to compare it with. I haven't tried every kind available, but of those I have, I like Corona the best.

  • I've got a great idea -- how about a Linux Snowshoeing Hike in Minnesota? :^)

    It could be a walk along the Minnesota and Mississippi rivers, with a stop for some delicious (better than German) beers at the Summit brewery in St. Paul, or maybe the Town Hall brewpub in Minneapolis?

    --
  • Typical attitude of the folk in St. Paul. No wonder I like living in Minneapolis, the City of Lakes, not St. Paul, the City of Fakes... :^) -jk-

    --
  • Hmm, aside from the pickled egg, it sounds intriguing.

    Dare I be so bold as to say I live in Lowry Hill East, a.k.a. "The Wedge [msp.mn.us]"? The store is actually in Whittier, which is on the wrong side of Lyndale, but maybe I'm being too picky.

    Anyway... I'm game, so if you or anyone else in the Twin Cities metro is seriously interested in kicking back a pint or two in St. Paul, my home email address is champs@visi.com.au [mailto] -- I don't live in Australia, of course, so drop the ".au" to mail me.

    --

  • OK, so since I got 2 responses to this slightly off-topic post, I suppose I should explain myself:
    Heiniken = good beer (green bottle gets plusses) you can drink & get drunk off easily enough
    Corona = good beer for sitting outside bullshitting on a warm sunny day
    Olde English 800 = best in the bullet 40oz bottles. great malt liquor for a roudy-ass drunk. good music to listen to during drinking - rap
    Steel Reserve = great in 36oz cans & 40oz bottles. another great malt liquor as OE 800

    I think for the beer hike, however, something else should be drank. A lighter beer that doesn't weigh down the stomach but gets you fucked up.

    Eruantalon
  • I don't know how you Americans can drink that crap you dare call the same name

    Neither can I, and I'm an American. Most Amer. beer is crap. Guiness, however, tastes like tar. Corona, Heiniken - these are good beers. Of course, nothing can beat hard liquor, Olde English 800, or Steel Reserve. Plus, there's something to be said for having a beer bottle/can that you can use to beat the hell outta someone when it's empty.

    Eruantalon
  • But I *really* like Schlitz. Not the "bull" Schlitz, or the 'ice' variety, but good old fashioned, gold and purple canned beer that made Milwaukee famous, "just the kiss of the hops" Schlitz. For roughly $2.49 a 6 pack I get more flavor and buzz than anything else domestic.

    The only thing I've found close is a German beer that came in a clay jar called "Bock Im Stein"...of course that was $6.00 a jar (also one of those flattened you, guess that's why it's a "bock").

    Anyway, I just thought I'd pop in real quick and plug my favorite unpretentious beer. If you ever have an extra 2 and a half to spend, stop on my the A&P and pick one up.


    ...5 years from now everyone will be running free GNU on their 200 MIPS, 64M SPARCstation-5.
  • -Vel

    Disclaimer: I don't need a Bork translator.

    Ja, shoor, yoo betcha!

    Dis Scandinavian says, "Uff-da, dat Windows shoor sucks, dere."

  • Just curious, if it was cold, how could we taste it? English beer loses so much of the flavour when served cold by bad pubs. Does anyone know what is different about American beer that it has (presumably) flavour when cold? I can only suppose that it tastes awful, so they have to chill it for it to be drinkable (Which is the case with British lager type products IMO). Please enlighten me.

    Also, I have never met _anyone_ who eats baked beans for breakfast, ever. Everyone I know has some combination of cereal, toast, orange juice and/or coffee. Admittedly sometimes I have a bacon sandwich at the weekend.

  • Hey, design a poster and we'll hang it up all over Eugene, OR. Most of my friends and neighbors got gassed in Seattle, and last year during the meeting of the G-7 (or G-7+ or G-8) in an impromptu riot.

    I wonder how long it would take to hitchike to the East Coast.

  • This got offtopic? I thought it was quite funny.
  • Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • I so pleased this is coming to the UK (it means I should be able to go) I really like to things like this that happen in europe (most on the mainland unforutantly) They're a real community thing, and the few I been to have always left me feeling part of a wider community. It's also cool to meet in person some of the people you only contact by mail. Oh, and there's the beer........
  • There was a fire in his apartment
  • It is in England... You're too right about that loverly beer though, I don't know how you Americans can drink that crap you dare call the same name, mind I wouldn't mind going to the Czech republic to try the beer there.
  • Mine's a pint of Pendle Witch's Brew
  • Well, we got through 80 posts before one of the conservative "old school" nerds wasted everyone's time by playing hall-monitor.

    Sorry pal, even your pen protector can't save you now. Neo-geeks, baby... that's where it is.

  • Crap, beat me to it.

  • Doesn't sound...possible. A Linux beer LAN party, yes. A Linux beer poker night, maybe. A Linux beer-keg night complete with strippers wearing Tux panties and a couple of dozen coffeepots for the aftermath, most definitely. But I've never seen a hacker/geek do any more exercise than is neccessary to get around in life, let alone for fun...
  • Corona = Good, but it must have a lime slice in it.

    The best I've had is Killians Irish Red. It's pretty stout, and fsckin' good.
    and now a brief list of beers that suck:

    • Coors (and light)
    • Miller (all)
    • Milwaukees best (this is SHIT)
    • St. Ides (this is beer for poor people)
    • Mostly anything from Sam Adams
    • Most of that shit that Pete makes

      Dennis Leary said it best when he said "Pete's wicked brew...Pete's wicked summer brew. Who the hell is Pete, FUCK PETE."




    Munky_v2
    "Warning: You are logged into reality as root..."
  • beer makes people nice, relaxed and friendly. beer perfectly mixes with linux. feed beer to pinguins!
  • Too bad It's far away.

    Make Seven
  • This isn't supposed to be Extreme Hiking or something, most of the people who are gonna be there will probably be horribly out of shape.
  • I want to go, but I'm an American teenager...
  • There is going to be a BeOS crack hike in downtown L.A. this saturday. Be there and bring your pipes, it'll be fun!
  • The real question about Linux beer is would you be able to GPL it? Imagine having several thousand people tinkering with your recipe for homebrew, multiple variations on on recipe. I almost like the idea *GRIN*
  • that beer and hiking are such a good combo? I mean, sounds fun, but usually for me it starts out beer and hiking, winds up beer and lying on the floor. Maybe it's just me.
  • i normally give ppl lots of leeway in t heir beleifs but all I have to say about this is: F |_| C | RZ like you should be shot into space, with no atmosphere.
  • It far away cuz they don't like us dumb americans, right Europeans? maybe i'll start calling them Europies...i don't know why...go fig... V-a-l-a-r
  • American teenagers can drink in Germany!!!
  • Wait a minute now you're treading into my area of expertise. I may not be the worlds greatest hacker, but I know Czech beer and Pilsner Urquell is not the best Czech beer. Staro Brno is by far the best Czech pilsner.
  • OK, well if there are no real mountains in the Lake District I guess you won't have any trouble getting up this [cumbria.com] then.

    The mountains of the Lake District may be small (although really not much smaller than those of Wales or Scotland) but they are still real mountains - exposed barren rock, extremes of climate and steep and unforgiving terrain - belittle them at your peril.

    Nick

    PS For those who are interested, the route in the piccie is Shadowfax on Scafell, E4 (about 5.11d on the US scale)

  • Here in the Bay Area, my favorites are Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and Anchor Steam beer. Beer that are definitely distinctive in taste and WAY superior to that p*** called Budweiser. ;-)
  • Just what kind of beer were you drinking? If you were in Bavaria, beer has to be fairly cold because the purity laws there results in beer that goes stale pretty quickly at warmer temperatures.

    It depends on what is the yeast used to ferment the beer; if it doesn't ferment on the bottom of the barrel, then it could be served at wine cellar temperatures (10-12 degrees Celsius) without going stale quickly.
  • ...would be Belgium? It's not as hilly, so less strenuous for unfit geeks. Plus they have great beer. Lots of styles, most of them very alcoholic. German beer, while better than the piss that Americans apparently enjoy drinking, gets a little samey after a few liters.

    Or better yet, England. Gentle, rolling hills, and the best beer in the world.

    Disclaimer: I was born in England, but live in Minnesota. Don't anyone suggest a Linux Showshoeing Hike.
  • Bugger.

    See "SuSe" think Germany.

    Plus last year's was in Germany.

    Just my luck to have my post read by someone who read the article, too.
  • OK, have at least one other participant for this.

    Should be using the Auberges, such as Formule1, Balladins, Climat de France, Etap, Ibis, Nuit d'Hotel in addition to other accomodations.

    Will be checking with a number of French friends for people who live along the route. Croissants, cafes, vin. Might start with train visit to Champagne before the biking too (optional).

    Will check with my film friends as to invites for events at Cannes towards end of trip. Need to get schedule for that part.

  • Since I lack tattoos and metal apparati protruding from my body, this event would be probably be out of my social umbrella. I would pay for a stripper to show up just to watch the reaction from a bunch of drunk hackers.

    "I can code a kernel but this bra strap is beyond me".
  • Ja, vell, admittin' dat yur livin in Minnesota vasn't too smart eeder. Now yoo'll hav all dose Scandinavian hackers stoppin by an sayin "Hallo! Ain't Linux great!"

    >;)

    -Vel

    Disclaimer: I don't need a Bork translator.
  • Although Linux-branded beer would be an interesting idea.

    I hate posting the same link twice in one day, but it's Friday so what the hell...

    If they can sell Linux-branded underwear [uni-klu.ac.at], then I'm sure there must be a market for Linux-branded beer. Oh what I wouldn't give to be in Tux's position right now...

    numb
  • Beer sucks in the US! You want some really GOOD beer, go to Austria and try some of the local brews. You'll never want to go back.

    PS: I know there are some reasonably good beers in the US too, I was being melodramatic.

  • Hiking, drinking beer, talking about shit - this sounds like one hell of a way to spend some time. However, I suppose I'd get sick of walking around with people talking in script kiddie speak or about stuff I have no idea about/understand/care about. I'd guess if I went with a few friends, it'd be fun as hell.
    Eruantalon
  • I've gotta come to the defence of Guiness here ;)
    It's not beer, it's Stout,...


    Stout (und thus Guinness) IS a beer. Compare http://beerhunter.com/beerstyles.html [beerhunter.com].
    Of course, the guinness, served here in the US does differentiate in taste from the original guinness quite a lot, I've been told. I don't know about guinness, but Beck's (also a beer, though a Pilsener) for example DOES taste quite different in the US than it does in Germany.

    Unfortunately for me, the americans seem to prefer ale and lager (both beer's as well) to Pilsener, so that beck's had to adjust their beer to the american market.
    Heineken is ok over here, not much better or worse than in the Netherlands and probably the best Pilsener you can get in the US is Pilsener Urquell.

    I find it importantto mention that the *original* Budweiser, a czech Pilsener, is a _delicous_ beer, while the beer commonly known under the name "Budweiser" is HORSEPISS!
  • Hiking?
  • all your favorite linux banner babes can be found here:

    http://www.stileproject.com/lls.html [stileproject.com]

    prepares to be moderated down for daring to link to stile project (yes, it sucks)

  • by pb ( 1020 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @08:47AM (#1145163)
    Drinking and coding is bad news: look what it did to Cox and the Linux kernel! [32bitsonline.com]

    Although the DOS compatibility is a nice side-effect, after kicking back a few... I guess...
    ---
    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [152.7.41.11].
  • by EricWright ( 16803 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @08:37AM (#1145164) Journal
    Read the page. It says you should have an interest in at least one of the following: Beer, Linux, or hiking. I'm sure you qualify for the first two...(definately the second). Besides, who needs hiking when there's a crowd of drunk Linux enthusiasts!

    Eric
  • by WillAffleck ( 42386 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @11:26AM (#1145165)
    I'm thinking of getting together with some people in mid-April 2001 to bike through France. Source book is France By Bike (pub by The Mountaineers), routes 5, 6, 7, and 8. Start in Paris (Versailles), out to the coast (Chinon), down to Burdeaux, across France to end up at Avignon. Time will be about four weeks, basically a segment a week.

    Object: to start with easy biking, get drunk on good wine, visit cafes, cherchez les femmes (et pour les femmes de geek, les hommes), and end up at Cannes ready to enjoy the beach. The last week will be a killer, but if you want an easy ride, the first three segments are easy.

    Laptops encouraged, but de rigeur stops at Cyber Cafes and Hacker Havens.

    If interested, email affleckasch.w.spam@ghc.spam.org but forget the spam. Don't anticipating doing as much Linux as the Beirwanderleung, as we'll be busy chasing French women. Possible side train trip to Barcelona for a couple of days.

  • by hedgehog_uk ( 66749 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @10:33AM (#1145166) Homepage
    From the website:

    Accommodation will be in Hotels, B&B, Youth Hostels or camp sites. You make your own booking at the place of your choice.

    The Lake District is a beautiful place, and therefore is innundated with tourists during the summer. So many people go there that the (very narrow) roads are often jammed and accomodation is hard to come by. So if you're thinking of going, try to book your accomodation NOW (or as soon as possible).

    HH

    Yellow tigers crouched in jungles in her dark eyes.
  • by Greyfox ( 87712 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @09:06AM (#1145167) Homepage Journal
    Will they card you in the UK? They won't in the other European countries I've been to. Admittedly, I've mucked about mostly in eastern Europe, but they're much looser about drinking over there. Comes from not being founded by a bunch of fucking puritans!
  • by Tayknight ( 93940 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @11:51AM (#1145168)
    You know why American beer is like having sex in a canoe? Its fu*king close to water. HA!

    hmmmmmmmm, beer - Homer Simpson
  • Just a clarification, this year's Linuxbierwanderung is in England, not Germany as someone else posted earlier.

    The beer hike is going to be based in the village of Coniston in the Lake District -- this is about halfway up the country on the Western border.

    England is such a perfect place for this event. I hope to attend. We may even be able to catch some soccer -- The European Championships are this summer, and the national team may have a few qualifying matches at home while we are there...

    Also, don't forget the tasty British beer!

    See you there! (I hope) &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp :-)

  • by CUEE ( 114423 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @09:01PM (#1145170)
    Please find me the group of linux users who aren't too fat, too skinny, too cracked out on mountain dew, without problems with their ring fingers(hitting ls too much), not too busy trying to get their chip to 833Mhz instead of 800Mhz, not too busy trying to promote linux as an embedded solutions product when assembly code is 1000x more efficient(has anybody ported linux to the HC11 anyway?), not too busy to do anything else because they are always recompiling their kernel, and also somebody who doesn't talk in run-on sentences like me, and let me know if that group has a number of people above 0. Why do people like me have to take the blame for tech stocks going up and down also? Personally, I hate "dot-coms." Profit from the net will come for business-to-business, not this business-to-whoever-I-can-find. I'm an electrical and computer engineering major and so many times I see people missing the point of the internet for commerce(uh oh, set myself up for a flame here). Does anybody really care about www.watchmecrap.com? Of course not! But so many people are investing in this junk. First in the new economy we need a sense of reality about what Americans need and will buy. Engineers like myself NEED to make products that have SIMPLE user interfaces and don't require a lot of computer science to finish. A window manager on top of linux is just about as bad as windows on top of DOS. Granted, the linux version is much more stable, but can the AVERAGE user figure it out? The problem with Windows is that people don't understand how the registry works. However, the problem with linux is that people don't understand how anything works. We as a computing society need to provide the average user with an interface for linux that works as a GOOD link to the net, a GOOD gaming system, a GREAT application environment for word processing, spreadsheets, and other dumb stuff that I don't use. But anyway, I think that my original point is that many linux people should go out and get some sun because I'm sure that the majority of us are pale and white, the only tan we have is coming from a bunch of flourescent lighting. Yikes, what I just wrote is disorganized and not totally what i mean, but it has some good juicy bits of stuff to debate about. Have fun!
  • by nstrug ( 1741 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @09:56AM (#1145171) Homepage
    So what? The UK has a staggered drinking age: 5 (sic) in private, 16 in a pub or restaurant with a meal (limited to beer, cider and wine) and 18 to buy anything you want. You can drink in public too provided you're over 5 and someone else has done the buying if you're under 18 - it's perfectly OK to take beers or bottles of wine on a picnic. But it's all pretty academic as no-one ever checks IDs anyway - they're just not hung up on it in the way that Americans are. I used to go to the pub for a couple of quiet pints and a game of pool with my dad when I was 15.

    You can get a round trip ticket from the East Coast of the US for under $300 and it will cost you about $12 per night to stay at the youth hostels.

    Nick

  • by ch-chuck ( 9622 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @10:00AM (#1145172) Homepage
    maybe someone could wear a webcam, notebook & cell phone so the rest of us can participate virtually.
  • by RayChuang ( 10181 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @01:42PM (#1145173)
    It depends on the British beer.

    Remember, many British beers uses yeast that ferments at the top of the barrel, so this means the fermenting process can occur at around room temperature (20 degrees Celsius). As a result, you drink British beer at around wine cellar temperature (10-12 degrees Celsius).

    German beer (which most of the world is familiar with) ferments at the bottom of the barrel, so this means the fermenting process has to work at nearly the freezing temperature of water (around 2-4 degrees Celsius). That's why you drink it at refrigerator temperatures, and American beers are that way because the American beer companies were all founded by people of German descent.

    Try the St. Pauli Girl, Spaten or Beck's that is brewed in Germany for European consumption; they have to be served cold or it tastes terrible.
  • by stx23 ( 14942 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @08:44AM (#1145174) Homepage Journal
    England?
    Try Scotland or Wales, they have real mountains there.
    Surely Snowdonia or Ben Nevis would be better suited, considering the Linux crowd has always faced an uphill battle, why not try a real challenge?
    #8^P
  • by ancient-mariner ( 96131 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @08:35AM (#1145175)
    Drunk hackers. Sound like the makins of windows to me.
  • by mechtoad ( 4078 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @09:17AM (#1145176)
    This is what we need.


  • by Signal 11 ( 7608 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @08:30AM (#1145177)
    2A packets of bits in the net, 2A packets of bits.. do a checksum and /dev/null the run, 29 packets of bits on the net....
  • Come one, come all!!

    But bring shatterproof goggles, gas masks, and chemical resistant disposable outerwear.

    Quaff a few pints, get sprayed with mace, get shot at by rubber bullets. Should be a real gas!

    Special guests: The IMF and the World Bank

  • by / ( 33804 ) on Friday April 07, 2000 @08:59AM (#1145179)
    For a second there, I thought someone was hiking the price of beer. It's hard enough with gas prices as high as they are; leave the other precious brown fluid alone, ok?

    Although Linux-branded beer would be an interesting idea. Maybe SuSE and their German compatriots should get cracking on it!

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