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Google Eliminates Gizmo5 Client For Linux 176

Posted by kdawson
from the poor-relation dept.
cuttheredwire writes "Evidence on the Gizmo5 forum (login required) confirms that since Google's takeover of Gizmo5, only the Windows, Mac, and iPhone clients are available for download from the official Web page. The Linux download link no longer works. This is a potential problem for happy Linux users with paid-up credit in their Gizmo5 accounts if they need to reinstall the software. A back-door download is still available, although it is speculated on the forums that it will go away soon. Does this mean that (as with other Google projects such as Google Talk) Linux will be the poor relation for Google Voice also?"
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Google Eliminates Gizmo5 Client For Linux

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  • Protest this. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Zombie Ryushu (803103) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @09:13AM (#30260804)

    Do not allow Linux users to be silenced

    • Re:Protest this. (Score:5, Informative)

      by gabebear (251933) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @12:07PM (#30261800) Homepage Journal
      I'm very confused... I've been using Gizmo for years and there has never been an official iPhone client, and the best thing about Gizmo is that it uses REAL SIP, so it works with any standard SIP client(unlike Skype).
    • Get the distros to encourage it. I am thinking of the strides that Apple made with Safari by encouraging users to tell them when a website failed, and then QUIETLY called the businesses to work with them to do the right things. It has helped Safari have better penetration through the market @ a relatively quick clip.
    • by tyler_larson (558763) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @04:28PM (#30263560) Homepage
      Gizmo uses SIP, and there's no shortage of SIP clients for Linux that are better maintained and more consistently compatible with Linux's ever-changing audio interface. Don't be silenced, but don't riot either.
      • by jmorris42 (1458) *

        > there's no shortage of SIP clients for Linux

        Care to name one? I have looked for one that will talk to an asterisk PBX and came up dry. Fedora 11+ packaged preferred but I'd build it from source if I had to. I found some that almost worked but something was wrong enough with each one that I uninstalled it.

        • Ekiga (default with ubuntu if I recall correctly)

        • by Svartalf (2997)

          Let's see now...

          Ekiga
          Twinkle
          Linphone

          There's a few others...and, yes, they apear to work fine as I've used all of them against an Asterisk server, along with several different SIP ATA's and SIP-phones against the server. I had more issues with the hardware SIP devices than I did with Ekiga when I last tried it all. Once you got the SIP client config done up right and picked a sane codec, it just simply worked with the lot of them.

          Main complaint I had with Asterisk is that it didn't handle multiple differin

  • Chrome OS? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 29, 2009 @09:16AM (#30260818)
    Since Google is busy on its own linux-based Chrome OS, I would be surprised if they weren't planning on providing a linux client anytime soon. My guess would be that they're making a linux client to ship with ChromeOS that is kickass, compared to the Gizmo5 builds of windows/mac.
    • Re:Chrome OS? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by johnsie (1158363) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @09:57AM (#30261026)
      ChromeOS is the ultimate spyware
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by MrNaz (730548) *

        Redundant? More like insightful. Forget malware installing itself on your OS and sending back information about your data and activities, ChromeOS just sends all of your data itself to servers somewhere where it can be picked through and analyzed in detail, and ensures that all of your activities are actually performed on those servers so that you can't actually do anything without them.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by selven (1556643)

          Chrome OS probably won't spy on you itself, it doesn't need to. It's the web applications which Chrome OS encourages you to use that spy on you. That privacy-intruding experience is available on every browser and every operating system, it's which web app you use that matters.

      • Re:Chrome OS? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Runaway1956 (1322357) * on Sunday November 29, 2009 @01:13PM (#30262254) Homepage Journal

        Modded troll. Hmmm. Fanbois bite.

        The fact is, I like Google. I use a good bit of their stuff. But, another fact is, they make tons of money. They also answer to investors. Could ChromeOS be the ultimate spyware? Yes, it COULD!! Do I expect it to be? Not really. But, all the same, why don't we wait and see just how much spying it does in it's final version? I know for a fact that Google has a ton of spy crap watching us on the web. This is why I have AdBlock Plus - I don't like Google Analytics analyzing every move I make on the web.

        Come on, children, let's stop being fanbois, and do our own analysis. And, someone mod Johnsie back up to at least a zero.

        • I know for a fact that Google has a ton of spy crap watching us on the web.

          And all Chrome OS does is the web. It runs all your Google Apps, on your Google Browser, on your Google OS, in your Google Life (beta!). They're never going to make features like JavaScript or cookies able to be turned off, or add any real ability to run adblocking (there goes the revenue stream). If they intend to subsidise the OS or the netbooks that are likely to run it, expect to see the hardware locked down so you can't reflash it with a custom image, and expect to see advertising embedded everywhere,

          • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

            by Haymaker (1664103)
            I find it funny that so many people are paranoid of Google having your information, and the only purpose they've shown for having it is to target advertising (which imo is better than CLICK HERE TO MELT THE ICE AND FREE THE WOMAN). If you're truly worried about your privacy, you're a little too late for that [slashdot.org], and it seems it's not Google you need to be worried about.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Dhalka226 (559740)
          What do you call maligning a product that doesn't yet exist over claims about what it is going to do that you don't even try to substantiate, other than trolling? The mods got it right. They will have gotten it right even if it turns out to be exactly the truth.
      • by erroneus (253617)

        I TOO would be skeptical of ChromeOS, but only because it is from a company that makes its money through advertising revenue.

        So far, Google is "...no evil" but there are still some questions about that since Google has managed to stir up trouble in various parts of the world that simply do not agree with Google legally and/or politically. But in the end, they make their money selling ads. The Android phone platform is agreeable to most mobile carriers because Google is willing to share ad revenue with the

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Like the kickass version of Chrome for Linux? Oh, right, there isn't one...

      • That would be Chromium, which I'm posting this from.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Nerdfest (867930)
          You can actually run Chrome in Linux now if you use the unstable repositories. I've been running both Chrome and Chromium for the past few weeks, and Chrome seems fine.
          • Is there a reason to run Chrome over Chromium?
            • by jeffstar (134407)

              the chrome-unstable seems to update every 2 weeks or so whereas the only chromium releases I have found are the nightlies from the PPA.

              about 1/5 of the chrome-unstable releases have an annoying bug (selects don't show options, form auto-complete box renders but doesn't show options, random crash, etc) and if I get hit with one of those I normally switch to a chromium nightly until chrome-unstable updates.

            • You may also want to have a look at SRWare Iron, a Chromium build with the Google tracking crap removed. It also includes things such as adblocking (not finished in the Linux version, nor is Flash support)

              Linux version is in alpha, but works very well for me.

              http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php [srware.net]

              This is will almost certainly be the /.ers choice for a Chromium-based browser in the long run.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by chabotc (22496)

        Heh your comment reads like a FOX headline.

        Sure there's no stable release of Chrome for Linux yet, however you can download the current dev version from http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel [chromium.org]

        It's being worked on, and if anything ChromeOS (which is linux+chrome) should tell you they're taking it quite seriously

      • I've been using it, and it suites my needs just fine. I haven't had much trouble out of it.
      • by shentino (1139071)

        Actually there is, it's just not officially sanctioned.

        I use it myself and for an "unstable" product it's performed remarkably well.

        They even added plugin support recently. I got my youtube back.

        Abandoning the windows market is suicide. I'm actually proud of google for not leaving linux completely in the dust.

    • Re:Chrome OS? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Nerdfest (867930) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @10:32AM (#30261224)
      Perhaps, but they recently dropped support for the Linux version of Picasa as well. The Linux version was actually just a Wine install anyway, but the nicely wrapped installer was convenient. I'm disappointed that tay have so much infrastructure running on it and have been letting the (desktop, admittedly) community down a bit lately. I hope Chrome changes this, but it really sounds like it's not going to.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by tepples (727027)

        I'm disappointed that [Google] have so much infrastructure running on [Linux] and have been letting the (desktop, admittedly) community down a bit lately.

        Likewise, I'm disappointed that Nintendo have so much infrastructure, such as devkits, running on PCs and have been letting the (PC gaming, admittedly) community down a bit lately.

        My point is that a lot of companies that use Linux in the server room think Linux is for servers and Windows is for GUI apps.

      • Google's Windows-centric attitude goes beyond their apparent antipathy towards Linux. Development of Mac versions of their software is also sluggish. Given that other software houses with incomparably smaller resources to allocate manage to produce creditable multi-platform versions of their software, one can only assume Google's tardiness in this regard is a matter of policy.

        Well, I have news for Google. They are not yet a total monopoly, and while some of their products are actually quite useful, they d
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          As a Googler, I can only say that this is misleading.

          Google has no antipathy for Linux, but unless someone internally steps up and says "I'll make it for Linux!".. well, there is a lack of linux support.

          I have yet to meet a windows-using technical person at Google. I'm rather amazed that we tend to pump out windows-only software.

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by WindBourne (631190)
            Yes, but that may be a serious mistake for Google. MS is looking to take on Google by using their monopoly. They have nearly 40 years of showing that they have NO ISSUE with doing illegal and immoral actions to win to destroy another company (I would NOT be surprised to find out that those 2 bozos have had ppl murdered). The only way to win long term with ANY monopoly like this is to the fight out of their backyard. That is what happened to us @ IBM when I worked there. Basically, Google should be make a c
            • by Yfrwlf (998822)
              I guess the problem is Google is concerned about the Internet, which means browsers, and couldn't care less about a specific OS. Focusing on programming for web standards means you're programming for all OSes. It's more of a side swipe than a direct attack against M$. Besides, a lot of the software for Linux competes against Google, like being able to run OpenOffice on Chrome OS instead of having to use Google Docs. Not that OOo would run on a netbook super well but you get the point. So while Google c
          • by Jerry (6400)

            "Google has no antipathy for Linux, but unless someone internally steps up and says "I'll make it for Linux!".. well, there is a lack of linux support.

            I have yet to meet a windows-using technical person at Google. I'm rather amazed that we tend to pump out windows-only software."

            Your "amazed"? You haven't met a "windows-using technical person at Google", so everyone is using either Linux or Mac, yet Windows & Mac are supported but Linux is not.

            You have actually proved the contention of posters who say

        • by chabotc (22496)

          Or perhaps Google is just more Web focused?

          Oh and as many other people pointed out, you can use any standard SIP client with Gizmo5, so there are valid alternatives out there

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by nurb432 (527695)

      And tied to it in some way, so if you run 'generic linux', you have to switch.

    • by chabotc (22496)

      The whole goal of ChromeOS is to have *no native apps*, it's all web baby, so a conspiracy theories about native ChromeOS Gizmo5 app might have to be re-thought.

    • Sketch?
      Gtalk client?
      etc, etc, etc
    • There are lots of them, this is not a Google issue, they don't need to provide, but you can google for a SIP clients and pick one of six/seven. So this is all nonsense and FUD.

      To make it clearer, there is NO lock in, you pick your Client, then use any SIP server of your choice.
  • by daveb1 (1678608) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @09:17AM (#30260826)
    Personally, i am no interested in any voip solution that isn't a standard (sip etc.). If i can't connect my ATA up to it, im not interested.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 29, 2009 @09:22AM (#30260844)

      Gizmo does use SIP. I have an Asterisk box for my home phone that registers to their SIP server.

    • by natehoy (1608657) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @09:25AM (#30260864) Journal

      I have Gizmo5 working just fine with my Linksys ATA. There are even instructions on the Gizmo home page on how to set it up.

      Gizmo5 + my ATA + Google Voice means I now have a spare phone line that allows me free unlimited calling on a normal telephone (though I do have to initiate calls from my web browser). My primary phone is my Blackberry, but it's nice having a spare line with unlimited minutes.

      • If you uses Asterisk, you could probably configure the dialplan to use the Google Voice API so that when you dialed with the ATA device, Asterisk would kick off the webservice call to initiate the call, negating the need for using the web browser. Just a thought.
        • by natehoy (1608657)

          Probably could, and that's an excellent point, but I make most of my calls on my cell phone anyway. I have about 4,000 rollover minutes by now, so it's not a huge deal. :)

          I tend to answer the Gizmo line on incoming GV calls.

  • really just linux? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Youngbull (1569599)
    I don't know about you, but I can't seem to find any downloads unless I go to the specific site where they have it, you can't even get new membership it seems... Seems to me that google has packed up the product and is looking to move it elsewhere, maybe incorporate it in their own software perhaps? and the fact that you can't download linux version from http://www.gizmo5.com/download.php [gizmo5.com] , seems to me to be more of a bug then a "kill the penguins" act, although I guess most of the posts here is going to a
  • by cybereal (621599) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @09:28AM (#30260880) Homepage

    Gizmo, entirely unlike Skype, is based on standard SIP interfaces. You don't need their proprietary client to use the service.

    Just pick your favorite SIP client, preferably with a lot of codecs and STUN support, and get on with your day.

    Panic over!

  • It strikes me that any Linux user is the least likely to delete an install file after running it. So what's the problem ? Certainly not availability of the app to the users quoted as being vulnerable, those with existing credit. It may show a lack of desire to allow linux users in the future, but until that comes about, it's all hot air.
  • Are you sure? (Score:4, Informative)

    by akcpe (1438869) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @09:50AM (#30260994)
    Um, i checked the gizmo5 site this morning and the Linux client is still on the download page with the OS X and Windows versions.
  • It has issues, but is has serious development team behind. It supports lot of codecs, including industrial standards and commercial ones.

  • Non-story (Score:3, Informative)

    by dlgeek (1065796) on Sunday November 29, 2009 @11:05AM (#30261450)
    If at their download page(http://www.gizmo5.com/download.php [gizmo5.com]) it lists Linux perfectly prominently, the link is just broken (pointing at a page which seems to have vanished). As the summary pointed out, the files are still there. Since gizmo5.com redirects to a page on google.com, I think a much better summary would be "Google accidentally breaks link while moving website of recently acquired company"
  • The summary says there is still and iPhone version. As far as I know, there is not. If you want to make Gizmo5 work with iPhone, you have to use fring (there may be other apps that work too, but fring does work) If there is an iPhone Gizom5 app I don't know about, please let me know, I'd love to have it. Google has disabled new Gizom5 signups, and Google Voice is invite only, but if you already have both, you can make Google Voice ring to your Gizmo5 for free. I can make free incoming and outgoing calls t

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