Intel Invests 12 Million Euro in SuSE 107
Bartmoss writes "Intel and the venture capital firm Apax are investing 12 million Euro in SuSE. Read the press release online. Looks like they want to open up new offices in parts of Europe, start moving into the Asian markets, and do the fashionable IPO thing. "
The Value of the Euro.. (Score:2)
Go SuSe! (Score:2)
More good new: 6.3 will be out in stores December first.
Err... (Score:1)
Re:The Value of the Euro.. (Score:1)
It is good to hear that Intel is involved. (Score:3)
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interesting (Score:3)
This could spell doom for the Wintel alliance (Score:5)
If SuSE and Red Hat can get together and do strategic spending (no need for them to duplicate each other's staff & skill lists), then we could see some staggering strides towards the desktop.
On the other hand, if SuSE and Red Hat prefer bloody battle between each other, we could end up seeing a vicious fight indeed, with these kinds of resources available.
I guess we shall see.
SuSE v Red Hat (Score:3)
Now SuSE are trying to expand in the same way - this money is to expand their marketing.
They still have to take the step of 'going public' (an IPO) - this is not a good time to go that way in Germany.
Re:The Value of the Euro.. (Score:3)
12,000,000 * 1.019300 = 12,231,599.81
DON'T FORGET THE 'TEL'in 'WINTEL' (Score:4)
Hey guys don't forget that Intel has a vested
interest in the wintel hegemony.
They may be giving Redhat, VA research and Suse money. but do you really want to replace windows
with Pentium?
Look at VA linux they have stopped selling or
developing for any system but INTEL.
NO Alpha,
NO PPC,
NO AMD,
NO Nothing, except INTEL from VA Research.
They even have started spouting INTEL FUD about
how merced will take over the world.
When these linux companies get bought by big
companies with vested interests they will begin
to change.
We just don't want software choice we also
want hardware choice. don't forget that.
So VA Research, and all those companies that are
making it rich on linux. remember where it all
came from. And support linux on all hardware possible.
Typical Intel (Score:2)
I was surprised when talking to friends in competing companies that intel had done the same with them. It seems they like to get their hands in everything.
Re:interesting (Score:2)
Excellant. Competition between Linux vendors. Just makes that product ROCK that much more.
SuSE and RedHat (Score:3)
The battle's going to be over who converts the most new users to Linux. That's where most packages are sold, I'd wager, and also over market share in the business support area. That's where the money lies with Linux.
I'd also like to point out that SuSE is a general distributor of (Linux) software and even hardware.. For example, I bought Civ:CTP from them.
I'd say RH is firmly entrenched in the US, while SuSE holds much of the EU. SuSE is now doing the sensible thing - instead of trying to compete overly much with RH, they're grabbing market shares in other, more "linux virgin" markets.
We'll see what happens... I'd also like to see how well SuSE stock performs at an IPO - Certainly not as spectacular as redhat, but I'd predict growth nonetheless... Afterall SuSE does make profits in addition to beingon the top of the Linux wave
Re:Go SuSe! (Score:1)
Okay so it's great if you want a no frills out of the box version of linux with no up to date packages and nothing to compile non packaged code with, but otherwise it's USELESS!!!
We have used it at work for near on 2 years now, and it's finally got to breaking point. It just doesn't work if you want to do anything non-standard with it.
Even when you compile -nodeps it still barfs because nothing follows a logical path.
*yuck*
Debian rules, FreeBSD is cool... SuSE, no thanks.
Good And Bad (Score:4)
I use SuSE pretty much exclusively, and I love it. When the Athlon first came out, the SuSE boot disk wouldn't work with it. SuSE very quickly posted an Athlon-compatible boot disk on their web site. Do you think Intel's investment will prod SuSE to ignore AMD? I think Intel makes fine products, but if these investments are just their way of discouraging software support for their competitors' products... well, they will have to be stopped. They've proven beyond any doubt this year that they no longer hold their #1 Chip Company position by superior products; strongarm tactics and (semi-)empty threats are their new modus operandi. I'm buying an Athlon soon because I want the best for my next x86 PC, and if SuSE backs down on support for it I'll be cancelling my subscription and going back to Slackware...
I'm not so sure (Score:4)
Mind you, that was also before Linux was generally considered a serious threat to Windows.
Dana
Re:This could spell doom for the Wintel alliance (Score:3)
But more importantly, it's pretty obvious that Intel is looking out for themselves... Why have all of your eggs in Microsoft's basket?
Re:DON'T FORGET THE 'TEL'in 'WINTEL' (Score:1)
If you want a multi-architecture OS, go with NetBSD.
Re:Go SuSe! (Score:1)
SuSE IPO ? (Score:2)
AG = Aktien Gesellschaft and Aktie = Stock
However I can't find them listed on the German stock exchanges. Is it possible to be an AG but not being publicly traded ?
The website still refers to the company as SuSE GmbH (corporation with limited liability).
Re: (Score:1)
Choaking the market? (Score:2)
But, my question is, are they doing more harm than good? They want the intel seed sewn pretty much everywhere there's installed desktop, regardless of OS. But, if the average consumer is faced with a dozen Linux variants and a handful of other alternative operating system... They're going to run to what they know. And that puts us back into obscurity.
Betting on everyone never really wins big.
Re:Good And Bad (Score:1)
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Re:DON'T FORGET THE 'TEL'in 'WINTEL' (Score:2)
Re:This could spell doom for the Wintel alliance (Score:1)
And no, I kant spel (Score:1)
My bad.
Re:SuSE IPO ? (Score:1)
Yes. You can be an AG and have only one of shareholder.
Re:SuSE IPO ? (Score:3)
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Read your own comments! (Score:2)
Your point is that Intel wants to sell more Intel chips, right? Duh!
The don't really care if Windows or anything else runs on it.
They fact is that Linux on Intel runs very well, thankyou very much!
Sure, AMD is making big improvements, but they don't have a great choice in motherboards yet, and they aren't that much cheaper than Intel at the same performace level - and Intel can do better multiprocessing (because of the motherboard situation) at the moment.
Maybe one day that IBM PowerPC standard will make an impact, but until then for Price/Performance Intel kicks butt.
Mercard will be nice, too - when it arrives. It will be cheap because of the huge number that will be produced, and Intel needs Linux to run on it quickly so they can get a lot of early adopters to use (and test!) it.
Even Colbolt is leaving MIPS to move to Intel because of the better performance for the money.
Sure, we want hardware choice, but don't get mad at Intel for making pretty good products and trying to sell them. (PIII serial number excluded, of course)
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Re:Read your own comments! (Score:1)
at the same performace level - and Intel can do better multiprocessing (because of the motherboard situation) at the moment."
Why do you think there aren't motherboards available in quantities, for AMD? Have you heared of some Taiwanese manufacturers that got sued by Intel for making such mobos? And do you know why Gateway decided not to use AMD chips? Because there is an agreement (value 80 to 100 $) between Intel and Gateway.
Intel wets its pants (Score:1)
Only my 0.02, don't sue me if you disagree.
Re:Read your own comments! (Score:2)
Maybe you are right, but I'd like to see the source - otherwise I might suspect you are just making this up.
Anyway, Intel sued MB manufactures for making multiprocessing MB? One word Why? You can't just sue someone, you know - you do need a reason.
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Re:DON'T FORGET THE 'TEL'in 'WINTEL' (Score:1)
If Intel funds Linux/*BSD development to improve their performance on Intels, why complain? Your Intels will run faster. If you want non-Intel hardware to run faster too, get the manufacturers of those chips to pony up some $$ as well.
Or leave that to the hobbyists (not necessarily a bad choice!).
In a free-software world, there's little point in complaining about someone investing $$ to improve software, even if it's for just one platform.
It's not the money that'll hurt the community, it's the poor-quality, non-portable software that might result from that investment. But if the community doesn't defend itself against that, it's going to hurt itself anyway, whether for $$ or to pursue the latest "in" platform.
hihi (Score:2)
vs.
SuSE will use the investments to set up new sales and support offices worldwide.
and "worldwide" in this case probably doesn't mean europe :)
Re:This could spell doom for the Wintel alliance (Score:3)
The Microsoft fallout is probably threatening them a little, especially with AMD's resurging competition. Since Intel was almost completely "kept" by Microsoft, they had one advantage -- they could direct a lot more of their time and energy on development (albeit almost solely for Microsoft's purposes...) and the focus the Wintel alliance gave them is being eroded by new competitors and alternative OSes.
Maybe we'll see a Lintel alliance? Perhaps. But I think also perhaps Intel would like to simply promote their architecture for every OS out there. And after Microsoft, they'd probably be a little gunshy about official "alliances" with any one particular OS in the future...
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Re:mha, what about AMD? (Score:1)
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Re:This could spell doom for the Wintel alliance (Score:2)
That's 12 million EURO. Which leads me to ask, what's the exchange rate of a euro to dollars?
Oh, and how the hell do I generate a euro with this sun keyboard? it's printed on the '4' key, but no combination of hitting/mashing 4, shift, compose, alt graph, anything will actually generate it. What a lose.
Re:DON'T FORGET THE 'TEL'in 'WINTEL' (Score:1)
not mean it is an x86 only project.
talk to linus if you doubt this.
Second linux Alpha has done a lot of good for
linux x86, one by making linux 64 bit clean.
now when you drop in your new x86-64 bit chip
things will work out much better.
Thats the power of linux.
Third AMD also makes x86 chips.
Re:SuSE and RedHat (Score:2)
i just looked in the redhat-sollution-db for ISDN: 2 hits, the best was from 9/14/99, lots of URLs where to find help on the net.
ISDN-setup is in SUSEs YAST for years. nearly every german company has ISDN, most linux-users are "power-users" => have ISDN at home. (it's just lots more common here than in the US )
Re:SuSE v Red Hat (Score:2)
years now 8)
Re:DON'T FORGET THE 'TEL'in 'WINTEL' (Score:2)
SuSE, consider spending some $$$ on tech support (Score:2)
After installation I was confronted by a bug in their kppp implementation and after a quick look at newsgroups didn't offer any solutions at the time I decided to take advantage of their free 60-day tech support and dropped them an email. After several days I received an automated reply saying they'd be getting back to me soon. That 60 days is distant history and the only thing I've received from SuSE since my support enquiry has been a promotional leaflet that arrived by snail-mail.
I could have made an effort trying to figure out the solution to my problem by myself and then helping others struggling with the same bug but I was counting on SuSE to follow through with their promised support feedback. Meanwhile I kept booting to another fully functional Linux distro, got another upgrade to that and eventually realized SuSE 6.1 wasn't worth the space it was occupying any more.
I'm sure many people received the tech support from SuSE that they paid for so I'd appreciate hearing some success stories from satisfied SuSE users. Does their email support work or did you have to fax or phone them to get an answer?
Personally I would have been satisfied with any kind of non-automated reply but getting totally ignored left a little sour taste in my mouth. As Linux moves closer to attracting Windows users and even absolute newbies the question of tech support will become an issue of vital importance. While I know how to navigate the Linux documentation sites and newsgroups I want to be able to recommend a well-supported distribution to anyone interested in trying out Linux. Every company selling Linux packages with support should keep their end of the bargain or we'll see lots of disgruntled newbies turning their backs to our platform for good. I'm afraid we might even see the MS-friendly press making a big issue of shortcomings in Linux' tech support and to many readers any Linux is Linux is Linux.
Re:DON'T FORGET THE 'TEL'in 'WINTEL' (Score:2)
Yes, because Intel hardware is relatively fast, mature, and inexpensive. I haven't been able to make any variation of Red Hat work on my Athlon 500 system, and I still like AMD.
The Gateway/Intel deal seems to be dead. Once again today, I must point out this article [theregister.co.uk] at The Register [theregister.co.uk] to illustrate my point.
And to be redundant, yes this is probably less than a complete coincidence. Consider that SuSE is German, and the Germans are also turning some screws with the EU on getting an embargo of PIII's.
I maintain that Intel is a bigger 'enemy' than Microsoft...
Suse (and Mandrake) are scared by Corel (Score:2)
Re:DON'T FORGET THE 'TEL'in 'WINTEL' (Score:1)
If you want a multi-architecture OS, go with NetBSD.
...wich basically is a niche project.
Re:SuSE, consider spending some $$$ on tech suppor (Score:1)
Consciousness is not what it thinks it is
Thought exists only as an abstraction
Re:Suse (and Mandrake) are scared by Corel (Score:1)
Intel & VC? (Score:2)
This could get interesting... maybe one big mess?
The timing is empecable, is this really a good thing??
Let's look at WHY they're doing this! (Score:3)
If you don't see the connection, then think about how many hihg-tech jobs would be created if Intel were to open multiple software offices in Europe. These jobs would be filled by Europeans (not tiny green men, against popular belief). Goverments LIKE high-tech jobs because they pay well (more taxes for the government to collect), very low pollution (less for the government to spend), and make people happier as well. SO, how inclined do you think Intel would be to actually open these offices if their own product was unable to be sold in Europe?
They say the world is run by money. They're right. I don't like the PIII serial number. All my systems will not have PIIIs in them - besides, the athlons are proving themselves to be better. And I can't wait till the upgradeable ones come out! To be able to upgrade my own L1 cache - and up to 8MB! Woohoo!
Re:Go SuSe! (Score:1)
I think you're referring to RPMs.
News flash: RPMs are not compatable between distributions. Is this a SuSE problem? Nope. This will apply to any RPM-based distrubution which isn't overtly a Red Hat clone.
The LSB will solve this.
Re:Go SuSe! (Score:1)
No I'm talking about non RPM'ed code - stuff that isn't nicely packaged... you know... the stuff that's actually useful?
SuSE RPM's are great, they work really well, if you don't mind being totally limited to what they offer in RPM format.
Please don't moderate this, it adds, nothing to the discusion, I'm merely replying to someone else.
Re:Suse (and Mandrake) are scared by Corel (Score:1)
Re:SuSE, consider spending some $$$ on tech suppor (Score:1)
In your case RedHat obviously screwed up with their support to you, but apparently they at least tried offering support and your cry for help was answered although the problem wasn't solved (yet). I assume you at least got a "non-automated" reply from RedHat.
One last point I'd like to make is that when using a distro put together by a "fringe" Linux company the user relies more on the tech support simply because there's less information and discussion available about it in the public forums. That's the "Network Effect" at work even within the sprouting Linux market.
Re:mha, what about AMD? (Score:1)
Bootdisks not working on K6? Not sure what you're referring to.
I use a K6 myself, and have installed all versions of Suse since 5.1 on it without trouble.
Looking in the SuSE support database, I see the following two articles: Faulty processor AMD K6-2 with 100Mhz system clock [sdb.suse.de] and AMD K6 with more than 32MB - system hangs [sdb.suse.de].
The former seems to be an acknowledged flaw in the k6 processor which can be replaced under warrantee. The latter is less clear but also seems an acknowledged AMD bug (see the article).
The other issue, of course, was the Athlon, which did not boot with the 6.2 floppy images, as the MTRR support we built into said floppies in this past summer did not work on the Athlons. I'm sure if AMD had sent samples to the SuSE offices, this would not have occured, but a athlon boot floppy image promptly appeared on the FTP site after the problem was described. A simple call to SuSE support would have gotten a floppy mailed to you if you have no way to download it yourself.
Or did I miss the issue you were talking about? SuSE can only fix problems they know about. feedback@suse.de [mailto] is your friend.
Re:SuSE, consider spending some $$$ on tech suppor (Score:1)
Tech support should have undergone a _big_ improvement about halfway through the life-cycle of 6.1. Staff is up, a new problem tracking system is in place, etc.
I'm sorry of course that we failed to answer your question, I certainly tried to answer all the ones I was handed in that time frame, and believe I did an acceptable job at it.
Best of luck with whatever distribution you use.
Re: SuSE's support db once saved the life of a DJ (Score:1)
bet when the search in the READMEs/HOWTOs is
exhausted and even Deja [deja.com] scan didn't resolve the problem.
I'll never forget the moment, when I found a
solution for a problem (ISDN driver didn't
change charge interval) in the SuSE support
database for my Redhat Linux 5.1 setup.
This happened after two days of reading docs
(the 110k isdn README contained the word 'Attention!'
more than incredible 40 times), compiling various
package releases, searching news
groups, searching Red Hat's support database
(official RH ISDN support was non existant at this
time).
The solution was that if a (seemingly unrelated
variable) was not defined in a config file, the
thing didn't work.
To be sure that I hadn't missed the solution,
I later grepped the 110 k docu and the FAQ which
came with that software package for thar variable
name. Nothing.
This adventure may be insignificant for the casual
reader, but for me it was like finding water in
the desert after a two day march. So once the SuSE
support database has saved my (emotional) life.
Thank you SuSE people for your professional
attitude.
And this is the reason I feel happy seeing SuSE
getting even more fuel which will help them to
provide even better support.
Go SuSE, Go Linux!
Re:Read your own comments! (Score:2)
Motherboard availability for AMD is probably simply because Intel architecture has dominated, and manufacturers don't yet see a profitable cost/benefit tradeoff for retooling or expanding to incorporate the AMD stuff (AMD's using what, Slot A stuff? Intel's Slot 1? I forget, but know they're different.)
The lawsuit Intel filed against Via (See story on C|Net [cnet.com]) is about licensing agreement violations and patent infringement, and doesn't actually have anything to do with AMD.
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Re:SuSE, consider spending some $$$ on tech suppor (Score:1)
They tout SuSE Linux' networking capabilities right on the box and I would find it strange if they didn't support basic outta-box ppp connectivity (which "installed" alright but was broken).
Apart from my experience that "SuSE Technical Service" didn't get back to me despite their automated reply said so I don't think that support which doesn't cover getting online by ordinary ppp is adequate for new users.
Re:SuSE, consider spending some $$$ on tech suppor (Score:1)
and user mailing list were very very
helpful to this newbie.
I would definitely recommend SuSE.
I look forward to 6.3!!
Re:Let's look at WHY they're doing this! (Score:1)
Well, your thoughts certainly _sound_ good, but these things really don't happen so quickly. Intel's response on Thursday to a news event post Monday is not that they are investing in a Linux company. Investments just don't happen that fast.
Just a quick reminder............ (Score:2)
The Kulturwehrmacht [onelist.com]
Re:SuSE, consider spending some $$$ on tech suppor (Score:1)
ppp is supported. I've called ISPs with the customer on the line to explain to them what is misconfigured in their routers. Of course, it's usually much more simple than that....
As for kppp the reason you had a problem is this: Some dialer software locks the modem device. Some dialer software expects the ppp daemon to lock the modem device. The former is more "proper"... but the dialer developers probably have their own reasons (cross-platform issues perhaps?).
One solution would be for the dialer to always have the responsibility, and either have to run pppd with the 'lock' option, or lock the device itself. This requires custom patches to many dialers. These patches must be maintained, and are in some cases, messy.
Another solution would be to have more than one ppp configuration file. I'm not even going to discuss how messy this is.
The decision was to leave well enough alone, and let the configuration file /etc/ppp/options be set up to work with the majority of dialer software, and for kppp users to comment out the 'lock' line if they wished to use kppp. You see, kppp isn't even our recommended solution. The manual pretty clearly states wvdial is the recommended way to do it, and includes step-by-step instructions. In 6.2, it's even easier, as there's a straightforward configuration screen in YaST called Configure a PPP Network.
Why do we push people away from kppp? For 2 main reasons.
Depending upon my memory, the other problem you could have been running into was kppp simply failing to work at all periodically. This was a kppp bug, and an update to it was available on the FTP site.
toodles.
Re:Let's look at WHY they're doing this! (Score:1)
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Tried the DIY approach to no avail (Score:1)
Good to see that most replies are positive. According to an AC claiming to belong to SuSE tech support the company apparently boosted their support capabilities some time after I had given up.
Anyway, I wasn't bashing SuSE here but simply trying to point out that support is very important and it'll only become more so as new users begin entering the platform. Perhaps I was afraid that none of the Intel investment was going to address that issue.
Re:Go SuSe! (Score:1)
Now I'm at a loss.
You state:
No I'm talking about non RPM'ed code - stuff that isn't nicely packaged... you know... the stuff that's actually useful?
I think you're suggesting that only source-form programs are useful. SuSE does include all packages on the CD in source form except commercial ones, etc. These source form packages are stored in RPMs.
If you simply mean that you have some useful software which is not included in the distribution, and that this software does not build on SuSE, then I am quite surprised. I have built many many packages on SuSE (megaHal, new versions of vim, new versions of mutt, grip, gcd, in-house Wind River software, irc servers and clients.. etc etc) over a long period of time, all without trouble. There was a point (a long time ago) where libcurses wasn't in an ideal spot, but that's about as far as it goes for any trouble I've encountered.
If you truly are encountering lots of packages which refuse to build on SuSE, take a look at what's breaking. I suspect the package maintainer is making some silly assumptions. Example: some tcl software I acquired which had the following line at the start of the software #!/usr/local/bin/tclsh Obviously, this wasn't working as my tclsh was located in /usr/bin..
In any event, please do send criticisms to feedback@suse.de.
SuSE RPM's are great, they work really well, if you don't mind being totally limited to what they offer in RPM format. Same as above..
Please don't moderate this, it adds, nothing to the discusion, I'm merely replying to someone else.
Well, we're _certainly_ off the topic of IPOs. However, we're spot on the discussion you started about SuSE.
I remain curious, however: what are you feeding -nodeps into? I just issued the following command on my Suse 6.2 box: jrodman@Castrovalva:/usr/man >find . -name "*\.[123456789]\.*" -exec zgrep -l -e "-nodeps" {} \; I do have the allman package installed, so this will find the string -nodeps as part of any man page of any package in SuSE. I also spot-checked about 20 configure scripts, not finding this switch present in these either. The following are my findings: ./man8/rpm.8.gz ./allman/man8/rpm.8.gz
PS. How I wish i knew how to see the processor time used by a process and all its children. This grepping in compressed files would be a lovely thing to compare to NT.
Re:DON'T FORGET THE 'TEL'in 'WINTEL' (Score:2)
First, Linus does most of His work on Alpha AFAIK, and it's a 21264 too! The Alpha port closely follows the x86 code.
Second, all of the non-x86 ports are NOT 'niche' projects. The Alpha, PPC, and SPARC ports have active developers! Each are included in the main kenrel source.
Third, having been on several of the NetBSD lists I would have to say NetBSD is a 'niche' project.
Fourth, I believe He meant VA and the rest of the bunch only have INTEL x86 chips! Have a look, I don't see any AMD, Cryix chips anywhere...
rbf, who is typing this on an Alpha running Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 with Linux 2.2.13.
Re:Go SuSe! (Score:1)
Besides that, SuSE has added many new KDE apps (you can get them in their KDE service downloads) and the X-server support and development is excellent.
Besides that the distro works and I use it every day as both a Samba server and a desktop.
Back to the topic -- I'm glad to see SuSE forming this partnerships and growing so well. I think it is heathly for the entire Linux community.
Re:Suse (and Mandrake) are scared by Corel (Score:1)
SuSE is too strong in the Euro market to dissapear any time soon, much less a year or two. I will admit that the US company falls short in PR and marketing; perhaps the attention from Intel will help them start rolling.
"Nevertheless the summ [sic] is too small in order to build a strong product AND company"
Hey what do ya know! The product is strong, to date, SuSE is the most stable linux distro I have tried. I won't jump on a soapbox and scream it's praises though, after all, it's about having the freedom to choose the OS the suits your preferences.
Any company that wants to throw cash at open source companies is OK by me.
Re:Let's look at WHY they're doing this! (Score:1)
I was thinking Bunny People [adviceforpcs.com] actually.
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Re:This could spell doom for the Wintel alliance (Score:1)
Re:Good And Bad (Score:1)
Keep up the good work!
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Re:Go SuSE! (Score:1)
Sometimes when SuSE gets out some "updated" packages, newer versions of the software exist for months.
(Tcl/Tk, DDD, gcc, apache, xemacs for example).
6.1 and 6.2 were really bad here. 6.3 looks more up to date, and would be worth buying if you like SuSE, 6.2 really wasn't worth the money.
Re:SuSE, consider spending some $$$ on tech suppor (Score:1)
Wintel alliance? (Score:1)
The wintel alliance has been dead for quite some time. Microsoft doesn't much care of Intel, Intel doesn't like Microsoft. In a way, Intel and Microsoft are actually competitors.
If Intel gets a monopoly, the price of CPUs goes up, and PC-sales go down a bit. Allmost every PC comes bundeled with Windows, so Windows sales will also be hurt. That is why Microsoft insisted that Intel licence the MMX-instructions to competing CPU manufacturers. Microsoft wants and needs competion - in every area but their own.
And it also works the other way. If Microsoft gets a monopoly (hmm..), it will hike up prices, PC sales go down a bit and Intel sells less CPUs. That is why Intel is investing in competing operating systems.
Euro symbol (Score:1)
The AltGr+4 key should work: . You might need an update from your vendor for fonts+xwindows. Microsoft people need the latest font patches from microsoft.
Many browsers accept € (). Select 'HTML formatted' from the submit box, and pray that /. does not fubar your submission again...
Re:Euro symbol (Score:2)
Grrr, I hate /. software! The last line should have started:
Many browsers accept € (€).
Whatever you do: don't use 'preview' in submissions with & in them.
Re:SuSE and RedHat (Score:1)
Also, RedHat has always been much more expensive.. What was it, 120 DM or so? versus SuSE's 99 DM (79 for students).
Re:Let's look at WHY they're doing this! (Score:1)
Re:This could spell doom for the Wintel alliance (Score:1)
Re:SuSE Stock (Score:1)
Re:Let's look at WHY they're doing this! (Score:1)
report? (Its in English).
1. Its quite clear that the issue is processor serial numbers in general not Intel in specific.
2. It reccomends that an expert group consider and
that the European parliament the consider these
considerations as a basis for EU legislation on PSN equipped devices.
Since the EU parliament doesn't have the power to initiate legislation of this type the whole thing
can be summarised as a "a load of Hot-air".
The rest is sensationalising...
Andrew
Re:Go SuSe! (Score:1)
In my opinion, SuSE is like slackware with current packages and RPM support - it's pretty easy to turn of all the automation and do everything yourself but you also get the benefits of easy package management. Of all the distribs I've tried (which unfortunately doesn't include debian yet) SuSE has been the easiest to get working initially and the easiest to disable the little automatic pieces in.
I'd be happy to help you with those customizations you were having problems with, sufi, if you drop me an e-mail. :)
--Danny, who needs to try FreeBSD again and Debian for the first time...
Re:Read your own comments! (Score:2)
Sorry for the spelling error.. It was a mistype.
Your point about running IA32 code is good, but invalid here - we have the code, don't forget!
As for Mercad being only for servers - maybe for the first year, but not much after that.
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SuSE PPC (Score:1)