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LinuxOne Releases a Product 96

Posted by CmdrTaco from the you-gotta-be-kidding dept.
Andrew G. Feinberg noted that Linux Today has a bit about LinuxOne releasing something. They are no longer vaporware: 'Linux Lite' is a distribution, and its selling point is that it coexists with windows and doesn't require any partitioning. Definitely nice for the novice, but there sure is a lot of hype in that press release for what seems to amount to using umsdos and a bootloader that loads the kernel from under windows?
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  • One would have thought that the transmeta page announcing itself as Y2K complient would have made slashdot... Did I miss it?
  • Well, Slack has done this as far back as I can remember (I think) and that's 2.2 -- I dunno what all the Big Whoop (TM) is about. I loved Slackware and that's how I got used to it. Only problem I ever had was that it was too slow that way. A novice, I suppose, might have difficulties. I didn't realize there had been novice umsdos distros before, though.
  • Supposedly the guys at LinuxOne are just scamming folks. There is a good article [theregister.co.uk] that talks LinuxOne and why you should avoid these guys. According to the article, the only Exec to own stock is the CEO, and the company expects to generate $73 million with the IPO- this from a company whose income is $0 and whose expenses are $17,000. Also (according to the above-mentioned article), the CEO is in the business of spamming (read more [deja.com]).

    Finally, this company plans on changing the source to Linux. I quote from their web page:

    The Company's extensions to the Linux software kernel will rapidly distinguish its products from all other available Linux software.

    Taken from http://www.linuxone.net/companyinfo/ about.html [linuxone.net]

    So what is LinuxOne out to do? Raise money and flee the country, would be my bet. Their CEO, Dr. Wun C. Chiou, Sr., has connections in China. Don't expect him to stay around in the states after he "goes public," because his "investors" are going to be fuming.

  • I can't believe they ever shipped a product. It looked like they were just running a scam to get a big IPO (and maybe they still are). At least now they've cleaned up the webpage a little and have an actual distro. I wonder what it's based around? Anyone?

    I thought it was mostly Red Hat, but that might have been another so-called product of theirs.

    -Brent
    --
  • I know this is taboo, but how about running Linux under VMware for NT? I tried Linux for the first time this way a couple of weeks ago, and it works well, slowly but still entirely usable (my computer is a humble P200 though).

    The virtual machine is completely isolated from the rest of the computer, so there's no fear of screwing up your computer as you learn to install and configure Linux. The fact that you can switch back to NT and scour the web for help as you grapple with the installation is a *very* big plus (setting up the network was the thing that took the most time to figure out).

    I learned a lot from the experience -- if I do choose to install Linux for real, I'll be able to do so with much more confidence and experience than I did before.

  • Is it just me or does Linux Lite sound like salad dressing?

    .{redmist}.
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  • No, salad dressing actually has its uses.

    You can fool some of the people some of the time, and you can even fool Zontar The Mindless from time to time -- but these guys ain't fooling me one bit.

    Somebody please roto-root these spammers/scammers into last week.

    Thank you.

    Zontar The Mindless,

  • Where's the source code? Where's the message telling us how to get the source code, required by the GPL if they don't distribute the source code with the product?

    And what is this system of theirs? It seems to be a Red Hat system that they installed on a hard disk using UMSDOS and LOADLIN, and then they copied the hard disk into a folder.

    Folks, we need to get the message out that these are not responsible business people.

    Bruce

  • The guy is a spammer. You think he's gonna take up *honest* work?
  • Bruce, check this out (from http://www.linuxone.net/news/press/p ress5.html [linuxone.net]):

    "LinuxOne, Inc. announced today that it has entered into a Software License Agreement with SRINET, Inc., a leading software distributor in Japan. The Agreement grants SRINET a non-exclusive right to use, sell, reproduce and distribute the Japanese and Chinese versions of "LinuxOne OS", LinuxOne's premier software product, in Japan and China."

    Gee, they gave them a license to distribute a *GPLed* product. Heck, that was nice of them...

    ..although Dr Chiou, the CEO stated,
    "LinuxOne prefers to offer an open source, secure option for workstations and servers known for its performance, stability, and security characteristics to the user community."
    (same URL as above, but press2.html [linuxone.net]).

    Have Mandrake said anything about this yet, given that they are supposed to have a "strategic partnership" with these people??
  • This goes back to the original problem, they've got Win98 and don't want to change that. Adding NT would require partitioning, and once we have that we might as well just install Linux.
  • Here (Southampton UK) they used to give people Slack, then later Red Hat, and now they don't include a Linux distro on the undegrad CD...
    ... because undergrads prefer to write the latest distros from FTP using the CDR machine.
    There's even an icon "Write latest Red Hat CD" on the desktop of that machine

    Unfortunately, the CDR machine still runs WinNT, but you can't have everything (yet)
  • I've run some checks on it - LinuxONE *is* Mandrake 6.0, with the 2.2.9 kernel updated to 2.2.10 and mandrake-release replaced with linuxone-release, mandrake-desk replaced with linuxone-desk.
    The Windoze thing they're talking about has been in Mandrake for quite a while, as well.
    And no, it's not UMSDOS, it's a loopback device-driven ext2 filesystem within a FAT file.
  • Going to the ftp site, it looks very similiar to the mandrake dist, having mdk in ALL the rpm files. Couldn't find the source files. Wouldn't that be a violation of the GPL?
  • Given the history of scams among the founders of this gem, you might just want to watch that credit card, see if any "unexpected expenses" start turning up on it...

    HTH,
    Ben
  • Well... I haven't tried it. I'm not going to download it and replace my current ad-hoc set up of RH 6.0 + kernel 2.2.13 & all updated libraries and what-not @ home here.

    Yet, I think that LinuxOne may just very well prove that if you're aiming on making a quick buck (LinuxOne wants to file for an IPO based on this, with no underwriters according to sources) on an open source product without actually committing to the open source community, you'll fail. Well, I hope that happens. From what the posts on linuxtoday state as well as from the Register's article, LinuxOne has done little or nothing apart from scratch out Red Hat's name and put in their own.

    I don't dig that. I don't think the open source community digs that either. I don't think anyone will invest, and I hope that LinuxOne realizes that and either does something to benefit the community, or back out. I feel they're trying to make a marketing move, not a move to benefit the community. I'll admit, I haven't really benefitted the open source community myself all that much, I'm no hacker. Sysadmin, yes, hacker, no. Open source OSes, all the way. But at least I promote open source solutions at work to no end. While Red Hat's stuff is all open source, I don't believe it benefits the community if some company just takes those apps and re-packages them without doing anything for the community.

    So, all I can hope for is that LinuxOne sets a precedent here. I hope they fail in their endeavor to make a quick buck simply because they haven't done anything for the community. I'm all for these IPOs. I'd like to see Red Hat do well. Same with the other companies like Caldera. Unfortunately, we can't survive without money, and the more people who make money doing what they love to do, the better. It doesn't have to be millions or billions, I sure as hell don't make that kind of cash, but at least I get to work in an environment I enjoy. I don't see anyting on LinuxOne's site that directly benefits the community, and I hope Wall Street and those other financial bally-wigs notice it too. If LinuxOne doesn't do something for Linux, why should they benefit from it?

    sorry for the rant... too much whisky this evening...

  • Most of the folks in this intro to programing are not in the least CS people... Most take it as a part of general education requirements.

    If they were all CS people, of course they should have no excuse not to be able to partition their own junk.
  • Wow, I'm dumb. That link should be WinLinux [winlinux.net]

    That should learn me to let someone else hit the submit button.

  • Whoa, TWO products! (Score:3)

    by mcc ( 14761 ) <amcclure@purdue.edu> on Tuesday November 02, 1999 @06:09PM (#1568286) Homepage
    look, they also have something called "linuxmac"
    http://www.linuxone.net/products/products.html#L inuxMac

    it looks kinda, um, dodgy. apparently will let you transfer files off a mac hard drive from linux. Wow!! They call it the "original solution in file transfer between Macintosh and Linux", which is a truly amazing statement to make since linux has supported HFS (and for that matter appletalk) for a long time. although it seems that the "linuxmac" thing is an actual program that moves files between drives within the program, kinda like the already-existing "linuxdisks" tool for mac, or the ancient pc->mac file converter way back in system 6 for that matter.. On the other hand, there are the already-existing linux HFS drivers where you can simply mount the mac cd/floppies as normal drives.. And which linuxone doesn't go to the bother of mentioning, although i'll bet they raided code from them.

    Of course, it's possible that this linuxmac also does HFS+ drives (which would be a complete Godsend) but i seriously doubt it.

    Considering the extreme lies-through-omission on this one small product, i doubt anything else linuxone says can be taken seriously..
  • Ease of use doesn't make them crap. Putting out a distro without having done any work by themselves (it's an almost exact copy of Mandrake 6.0) does.
  • Our LINUX-ZERO is SO ADVANCE, it exists EVERYWHERE and yet it requires NOTHING to run on, and it produces ABSOLUTELY NO SIDE EFFECT !!!
    Hmm. Sounds like this distribution could target the Zen Buddhist segment of the Linux market. Perhaps it's be popular in Asia, or among students searching for meaning in their lives.
  • Not a violation. GPL says that the source files should be available on request.
    Not that they have to be supplied with the product

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    What would the Children Look Like?
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  • Well, having "connections in China" obviously makes you dodgy.

    The relevance of that is what, exactly?
  • UMSDOS is older then VFAT, it was designed when DOS5.0/Win3.1 were the standard config...
  • When I first started playing with Linux (6 or 7 years ago... I can't remember) This was the way I installed it. Slackware (at that time) had this as a way of installing.

    Why is it that this company feels the need to drudge up old technology and publish it as though it was new technology?

    (and why does there web page have a .net extension... and why does the .com address indicate there is no web page here? And why are they claiming on their web page to have a Mac driver, as if it is the only way to read a Mac disk from linux, and Why are they claiming ADSL etc. as something that only their LinuxOne OS does?)

    Buyer Beware.
  • Try this...

    From the root console (Konsole?) type

    netcfg &

    FIll in all the appropriate info for your ISP.Then go and type

    usernet &

    and click on the [ppp0] button. You could also highlight ppp0 in the netcfg window and hit [activate], but I like usernet cause of the pretty traffic-light feel.

    This is assuming you have the modem set up alright. If you haven't already then type

    modemtool &

    at the prompt and set your com port for it there. Mind you this is all from memory and originally set up on a RH6 system, later upgraded to mandrake packages from the same mag you got...your mileage may vary. If there's an easier/better/more correct way feel free and correct me.




    mcrandello@my-deja.com
    rschaar{at}pegasus.cc.ucf.edu if it's important.
  • this has done before, no? Although i guess i shouldn't say anything until i've actually heard anything about the quality of the distribution instead of a vague press release.

    see also LinuxPPC Live, which does the same thing only for the mac (boots off same partition as mac OS). http://www.linuxppc.org/. Ha!

  • Check out MiniLinux (Score:3)

    by Freedent ( 84485 ) on Tuesday November 02, 1999 @04:45PM (#1568299)
    There is a fairly old "distro" called MiniLinux.

    I think it's still mirrored at cdrom.com, does pretty much the same thing, fits on four floppies, IRRC. My first install for Linux, didn't know much at the time.

    Still, I thought it was pretty cool.

  • I've checked out a few other Linux-without-killing-your-drive distros before, like the ones previously featured on Slashdot (the names excape me as current...no, wait, one of them was winlinux [slashdot.org]). They didn't work very well, cruddy vidio, non-functional networking, etc... As a sysadmin for a Linux lab here at Drake University, the folks in our intro to programming course would really like to have Linux on their Wintel boxes simply to be able to telnet and have X and have it actually work, yet seem reluctant to repartition their entire drive to achive this.

    Mayhaps this one might actually be decent enough to recommend to people.

  • Wow! (Score:2)

    by Foogle ( 35117 )
    I can't believe they ever shipped a product. It looked like they were just running a scam to get a big IPO (and maybe they still are). At least now they've cleaned up the webpage a little and have an actual distro. I wonder what it's based around? Anyone?

    -----------

    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."

  • Sounds like Armed Linux to me!
  • Yet another Linux dist, has anybody been counting how many different types of Linux there are? I went to linux.org and it looked like they were missing a few. Is there a better site out there?
  • although something deep inside me shudders at the thought of all these uber-newbie dists, it seems as though they are indeed helping people slowly along the road to linux.

    i know a bunch of people who, after hearing me scream religiously about linux for months on end, want to try linux, but fear it a little and don't want to mess up their nice shiny windows machines. i can think of about a dozen people offhand that i know who are using the winlinux-ish thinghies as a "safe" method of testing the waters of linux without going through a full blown install/partition/mess-up/reinstall/etc. :P

    i'm still not entirely sure if this is a Good Thing (tm) or not, but i don't think it'll be too harmful as long as we keep assuring those we know that it's not quite the real thing and not nearly as exciting as doing a "real" install ;)


    -dk
  • This may strike others as obvious, but why one earth would you want to run a fully functional OS under another OS?

    This strikes me as.... overkill.

    Partitioning isn't terrificly difficult, however, the process could be made easier... maybe that would be a better product focus.... decent, easy to use, no-fault safe cross-platform open source partioning/defragging software, and a nice x86 graphical replacement for LILO... or at least front end or patch for it. I remember partition-it w/boot-it...
    I tried to use it again recently. Apparantly, it supports linux 3.0. (WHAT IS THAT?) and refused to boot the linux partitions that it did find. Oh well. LILO is amazing as is...

  • ... Presenting... LinuxNULL(tm) (Score:4)

    by Signal 11 ( 7608 ) on Tuesday November 02, 1999 @04:44PM (#1568307)

    Have you ever wanted a linux distribution so simple you didn't even need to use a mouse? A linux distribution so simple even a lobotomized flatworm could understand it's installation instructions? Presenting.... LinuxNULL(tm)(r)(c)!

    Package includes a CD packed using our patented ReMark technology. Now you can have 100% file compression /without/ the wait! Also includes 1 year of free support courtesy of the Benevolent Operators For Helplines. If you act now we'll also include a special-edition doll of Richard Stallman, creator of "that other movement"! No longer do you need to step your l^Husers through a long and tedious install - with our patented RM technology you'll wipe out all the problems those other operating systems have.



    --

  • Vapourware. (Score:4)

    by Matt2000 ( 29624 ) on Tuesday November 02, 1999 @04:51PM (#1568308) Homepage
    This is actually their second product release from what I can see, their first being the somewhat unpopular xclock2000.

    From the press release: "Xclock2000 shows our committment to the Linux community by providing the clock necessary to finally bring Linux to the desktop. Features such as 7 independant clock arms, multi-threading and expanded support for the times 2:30 and 7:15 finally bring the concept of clock to the 21st century."

    The Linuxone IPO, scheduled for next week, is expected to bring in over $75 to the company. Money the company says will be used to expand their product line in the area of "weed, cocaine or something like that."

    Hotnutz.com [hotnutz.com]

  • Re:... Presenting... LinuxNULL(tm) (Score:3)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 02, 1999 @04:55PM (#1568309)
    luser: I can't compile my program!
    bofh: try 'make'
    luser: I did that, but it didn't work!
    bofh: oh, you want to re-make everything, then: try rm *
    ...
    bofh: and if you're in a hurry, then use the 'really fast' option: -rf
  • But they do give credit to the original page designers provided you look in the right place. (hint: secret messages)
    quick link [linuxone.com]
    -------------

  • Hissssssss. (Score:4)

    by Stonehand ( 71085 ) on Tuesday November 02, 1999 @06:17PM (#1568313) Homepage
    Frankly, I'm appalled, and hope this company lurches painfully to bankruptcy, leaving its owners to panhandle while struggling to control untreatable, horribly *slow* disorders of their connective tissue... and may ten thousand camels run rampant through their houses, as well.

    But then, I'm an obnoxious opinonated, vindictive b*stard at times. {evil grin}

    As others have noted, there's a remarkably informative "Register" article, with perhaps the one oddity that instead of mooching directly off of RedHat, the *few* *all-binary* packages that they've made available for FTP all bear tell-tale "mdk.i586.rpm" extensions, as far as I can tell.

    "The Company's extensions to the Linux software kernel will rapidly distinguish its products from all other available Linux software"... well, er, it's GPLed. If it's good, the patches can be used by others. If it's not... needing an eye-patch or a dialysis machine is distinctive, too.

    There's also no mention of the licensing on their FTP site, as far as I can tell -- which, according to Netcraft, runs RH.

    Their documents on the web site are badly-written and inconsistent. Parts glorify (?!) the ability to work w/o partitioning, while the latter stage figures prominently in their installation instructions... Perhaps that's their "full" LinuxOne OS, and not "Lite", 'tho.

    Their web site *strongly* implies that most of the features are *their* features, and not common to most distros.

    "Most useful and complete"? Um, no; not unless you're shipping a multiple-CD collection.

    "No lost data, no confusion, and no chance for a disk drive disaster"? How, precisely, does *sharing* an existing partition with an OS that is not designed to coexist, and thus can manipulate the filesystem at will, promote stability? Argh. If you want stability, you *isolate* things. Not funky multi-function boards; not strange combos of OSes and filesystems; and so forth. If it dies one day, who's to blame -- Windows file corruption? LinuxOne? The foibles of a novice?

    "Simply type 'reboot'" -- are they dropping people into a root shell, without any mention of normal user accounts?

    ...and, for the Mac...

    "All functions available through the computer's mouse."

    Right. So, write a Perl5 module for parsing and comparing Bayes Nets, using a single-button mouse.

    'cuse me while I go chortling hideously into the night...
  • check the linux weekly news
    http://www.lwn.net

    they keep a running tally, with links to all the known (to them) distrobutions.

  • The world isn't full of us nerds... (Score:3)

    by J.J. ( 27067 ) on Tuesday November 02, 1999 @06:26PM (#1568316)
    ...so the "ease of use" tack that LinuxOne is taking just might the the key that makes them cash.

    So, having said that, I'm confused. First off, let me say that I am (gasp) not a Linux user. Sorry. I'm too enmeshed in the Windows world to put up with the trouble of dual booting all the time.

    All I've seen here is folks bashing LinuxOne. I've been reading Slashdot for about 2 years now, and have always seen the /. community get pumped about Linux growing and becoming more accepted. It appears that LinuxOne is doing their part to help Linux make it further on the desktop level.

    We all know that the vast majority of computer users are somewhat intimidated by Linux. Installation reviews that appear are contradictory - some installs go smoothly and easily, and some seem to go poorly. A person who is considering installing Linux, just to "see what all the hype is about" just might do that, simply because of the spin that LinuxOne is putting on their distro. Granted, it's nothing new, but hell folks - what in this world is new? Look around and see what new and fancy items that appear are just the same old thing with a new little twist.

    Tech businesses today have a difficult job - the world is full of niches, and the easiest to fill are those that complement a larger niche. Riding the wave of success of another product is far easier than creating a whole new "next big thing". LinuxOne is attempting to do that. They may have a history of vaporware in the past, but there's a distro now, and it looks to me like it could really help Linux at the desktop level. It might not be anything "new", but success is largely marketing and spin, and LinuxOne seems to have that under control.

    This LinuxLite may just be the next big thing - who, at this point, can really tell?
  • Wouldn't it be great to an awesome trippy clock that plays pink floyd music? I would run it in the root window, so it would be a beautiful background to my malevolent slash dotting.
  • From Netcraft:
    www.linuxone.net is running Apache/1.3.6 (Unix)(Red Hat/Linux) on Linux

    From snooping around:
    nylon66@milton --> telnet www.linuxone.net
    Trying 216.101.248.91...
    Connected to rinoa.LinuxOne.NET.
    Escape character is '^]'.

    Welcome to LinuxOne! This is rinoa.
    Red Hat Linux release 6.0 (Hedwig)
    Kernel 2.2.5-15 on an i686
    login:

    A great development effort that is so unlike Red Hat [redhat.com], it nonetheless uses Red Hat's distro.
    Seamonster says "cheese."

  • According to the article posted by The Register [theregister.co.uk], they've left the nast-ay RH
    admin tools available via HTTP. Yikes.
  • Ahhhh... the XClock2000.. yes... I remember all of the controversy. I actually used the GNU/XClock2000, it had a much better license.

    Does anybody remeber the horrible mess when Mindcraft did a benchmarking with the XClock200 against all of the other popular clocks. I still think if the XClock2000 was mulit-threaded it would have outperformed those XClock wannabes..but alas..
  • Um, perhaps instead of reading "sophisticated proprietary (device drivers)" you should read "sophisticated (proprietary device)" drivers? Changes the meaning substantially.

    This can be interpreted three ways:

    • They have drivers for "proprietary" devices like SoundBlaster(tm) cards,
    • They have proprietary drivers for SoundBlaster cards, or
    • A marketroid wrote it.

    In case one, they're just using drivers out of the community and/or sourcing drivers back to the community. In case three, all bets are off because market-speak and reality don't have to correlate. In case two, they're keeping driver source to themselves, which may be for one of two reasons: either they're stupid, or they're using technology licensed to them under an NDA and they're trying to make the most of an otherwise crummy situation. In that case, I'll just go ahead and be glad the driver is there at all and work on opening it up/reverse engineering it later.

    --

  • FWIW, Linus has blessed closed-source kernel modules.
    That's a bit misleading, actually. Linus allows closed-source modules, but has definately not blessed them. In fact, he has specifically indicated that NO consideration will be given to binary compatibility for such modules... in other words, any kernel update has the potential to break them, and it's entirely up to the vendor to ensure that they're kept up to date.
    ---
  • If someone said, "I live next door to my investors," I would feel more comfortable investing with them (since if something goes wrong, I can expect them to have to answer) than investing with someone who might retreat to a country that is already infamous for piracy and intellectual property violations.

    That, and I'm racist. (grin)

  • I've seen xservers available for NT that allow you to connect to an actual unix/linux box running X and run stuff on it. (all processing is done by the nix box and display comes up on the NT box)

    I've used these before and it really works well, u can pretty much alt-tab between windows and linux (in appearance) of course you still dont get happy linux stability if your windows host goes away. :)

    One that I've seen was called Exceed by Hummingbird software and it worked well. I've tried to use others but with my minimal effort/interest in them, I didnt get them to work.

    BTW, Exceed is commercial software from what I recall.
  • First off, let me say that I am (gasp) not a Linux user. Sorry. I'm too enmeshed in the Windows world to put up with the trouble of dual booting all the time.

    No problem. Get VMware [vmware.com] and run Linux under NT (or run WinXX under Linux, as I do).

    This LinuxLite may just be the next big thing - who, at this point, can really tell?

    It's more than obvious that LinuxOne is, well, dubious at best. There are already a number of very good distros for the WinXX crowd. This one really does look like a "get ritch quick" scheme.


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  • They run their company out of a condo? ::smirk:: Oh well, guess even Microsoft had to start somewhere...didn't they start in a barn or something? And I guess running your company out of a condo isn't as bad as running it out of a garage, eh, Steve? hehe
    If enough newbies buy this product, I'm sure they'll move. Although I'm still preaching Slackware on an extra hard drive/partition [to the beginners].

    miyax
  • We can't do that :(

    I know one of the honours students has a debian mirror on his machine, and theres a local redhat disssstricution with isos, so most of us get someone in college to burn it for us.
  • I've got a copy of their beta, and it is based on a Mandrake distro (in turn based on Redhat 6.0). Having not tried Mandrake personally, I can't say what the difference is. The install is just the same as installing Redhat 6.0/5.2. BTW, anyone been able to get that new installer working for Redhat 6.1. I downloaded the entire CD, and then the installler wouldn't work. I ended up using the old installer, but with the new packages
  • But the LinuxOne page isn't Y2K complaint!

    Hehehehe..
  • Sydney Uni's CS department has its first year students use a teaching language called Blue.
    Theres a sunos version (for the uni servers) and a linux version.

    All CS students get given a CD containing the full version of RedHat, plus an installer for a UMSDOS partiaion of linux. The CD also has stuff like Java, Mesa, an updated python and a few other things for 2nd and third year students.

    If you run install, it uncompresses from a self extracting zip file ionto c:\linnx, and puts an icon onto the desktop. The first time you run it, It runs a command line mouse/cd inerface (this was before redaht had mouseconfig/linuxconf). Only a few packages are installed, but you can easily install any others from the CD.

    It hasn't been updated for a while, so its currently RedHat 5.0 + some updates + a CD you can borrow from the Dept with updated XServers, but I believe that it will be 6.1 next year.
  • thought....
    It'd be nice to have a linux distro that ran as
    an application on windows that wouldn't require you to re-boot to get back to windoze...
    but wait... that would suck as your stable linux
    would now be prone to windoze faults...

    then again.. (if you have the resources) there's
    VMware and the like....

    Still this does seem the way to go for some folks...
    I've a few friends myself that are trying out linux
    using the umsdos loadlin method... *shrug*

    I figure when they get confident enough they'll switch
    to a REAL distro...
    It's not their fault they were MS-netized a long time ago.. :/


  • while i'm sure that someone will eventually come up with a good one, i'm afraid this company won't be the one.

    i suppose i shouldn't flame their product before it even comes out. nothing they've done has convinced me that they are anything more than a bunch of jackals trying to ride the linux IPO tidal wave of money, though. hell, i wouldn't be surprised if they _never_ release a product.



  • Unlike LinuxONE, which requires WINDOZE, our new and MUCH IMPROVED LINUX-ZERO requires NOTHING !!

    Yeah, you read it right, NOTHING.

    Our LINUX-ZERO is SO ADVANCE, it exists EVERYWHERE and yet it requires NOTHING to run on, and it produces ABSOLUTELY NO SIDE EFFECT !!!

    Want to test drive our NEW AND IMPROVED LINUX-ZERO?

    Here is the way you do it: Look around, and then smile.

    Yeah, SMILE, DAMMIT !!

    That will sure bring our LINUX-ZERO out. Because our LINUX-ZERO is made for one thing in mind - to BRING HAPPINESS TO ALL !

    By the next millennium, we will bring out our LINUX-MINUS-ONE, which will be EVEN MORE FANTASTIC !!!

    Just wait and see. :)


  • Gee, now I can run a solid, robust operating system on top of a bug-ridden, slow and unreliable operating system.

    Wow! Why didn't anyone ever think of this before?

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  • This is the worst kind of joke! The one that isn't a joke.

    This page has been around for quite some time (I remember seeing it months ago) and they really have no products. They have a couple of repackaged distributions, none of which are doing anything new or inovative. They claim to be a 'leading-edge developer of Linux software' but no one has ever heard of them.

    This seems to be a total ploy to cash in on unsuspecting people, both users and people who would buy stock.

    The Register reported that they reported to the SEC that they had $17,000 in expenses and no income last quarter. What kind of business is even CONSIDERING an IPO with no revenue AT ALL?

    This is a ridiculous scam . . .
  • Unfortunately it was licensed under the YA*L (Yet Another F* License), creating a storm of controversy on slashdot and several hundred hatemails being sent to linuxone for not being truely "open sores".

    As a result, XClock2000 never gained acceptance in the linux community... especially after Rasterman made EClock, an enlightened clock with psychadellic mode and groovy mode for telling you the time (it may be alittle distorted - that's not a bug though, it's a feature).



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  • Head over to Slackware [slackware.com] and check out ZipSlack and BigSlack. Both linux distros for the UMSDOS filesystem only requiring winzip and a simple edit of a batch file to install. ZipSlack is bare bones (~80meg) and BigSlack is bigger with KDE and X. This LinuxOne stuff is a total joke. I wish the SEC would stop this IPO since it is obviously a bunch of garbage. I thought that a company had to have 4 million in assets before going public. I would be surprised if these jokers did.

  • Re:The world isn't full of us nerds... (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    What you're missing, I think, is that many /.ers fear that LinuxOne may represent the extreme of the scammers that will attempt to exploit the commercialization of Linux.

    Mindless copying without credit. Claims of being first with a product when that is obviously false. Claims of being a market leader when you just (or haven't quite yet) entered a market.

    These things happen in all industries, of course. Sometimes they even work. We don't want it in our industry (or community), and we certainly don't want it to succeed!

    So, I think many agree with your points, but LinuxOne is not the product to look at in the new user space. Certainly not today, and probably not tomorrow. Look at WinLinux, Mandrake, ZipSlack, etc. for better, more mature versions of this concept. (Others can be found on download.com, apparently!)

    Also, read the article in The Register that was referenced earlier in this thread.

    HTH,
    Jeff

  • from their products webpage:

    "A key feature of LinuxOne OS is its ability to run on the most advanced PC workstations with devices that increase communication bandwidth, such as ADSL and cable modem. LinuxOne OS will support these new technologies with its sophisticated proprietary device drivers (software that provides an interface between an operating environment and its associated hardware)."

    Don't you just love proprietary device drivers. I know that's what I look for in a product. (I also need what a device driver is explained to me).
  • ok i dont condone such activity but i just KNOW some skr1pt kiddi3s out there are going to root linuxone.net
  • It seems everyone and their uncle is trying to make their own linux distro "specifically tailored for novices". End result: confusion and a thinning of the linux support market.
  • ...so the "ease of use" tack that LinuxOne is taking just might the the key that makes them cash.

    Strange, Caldera and Red Hat have been going head-to-head over ease-of-install for a while. Corel's about to jump into the game. Two projects are underway to create a more-or-less "standard" GUI for Linux. But hey, it's who can pump out more press releases, eh?

    It appears that LinuxOne is doing their part to help Linux make it further on the desktop level.

    By swiping Red Hat's distro and doing a mass replace of "Red Hat" with "LinuxOne"?

    They may have a history of vaporware in the past, but there's a distro now...

    Yes, either Red Hat's or Mandrake's (itself a modification of Red Hat, but at least they made some actual changes and improvements).

    It might not be anything "new", but success is largely marketing and spin, and LinuxOne seems to have that under control.

    That's a very Gatesian/MS way of thinking; success = marketing. Yet, Linux has rocketed to prominence this year on little more than a reputation and one company with an actual unique product going public. A lot of the spin pumped out by LinuxOne could easily do more to hurt the Open Source movement than help it. Since they seem to be doing nothing but swiping other distros, it's anyone's guess what kind of tech support the company will provide, if any. I'm also willing to bet the company will put out some horrid license that contravenes the GPL. Red Hat has a reputation of good products and tech support. LinuxOne has a reputation of vapourware and marketing hype. I have serious fears that this fly-by-night opportunist could do lasting damage to Linux and the Open Source movement by making a mockery of the whole thing in the news media.
  • Straight from

    http://www.linuxone.net/products/products.html


    "A key feature of LinuxOne OS is its ability to run on the most advanced PC workstations with devices that increase communication bandwidth, such as ADSL and cable modem. LinuxOne OS will support these new technologies with its sophisticated proprietary device drivers (software that provides an interface between an operating environment and its associated hardware)."




    Okay I don't mean to flame... but wtf? proprietary??? These people must definitely not be into contributing to the community as they falsely say in their press release on linuxtoday.
  • LinuxOne is showing the results of public investment far more quickly than other lesser enterprises.

    In order for RHAT to start talking about developing further software, they had to get hundreds of millions of dollars invested, and waste considerable time planning.

    In contrast, LinuxOne has moved rapidly to deploy the results of the $250 that they raised.

    They have clearly achieved their goal of unchallenged availability of applications and platform support, which no other IP has been able to accomplish.

  • I don't get it. LinuxLite uses (crappy?) UMSDOS and all that. It's not new as far as I know. What do all the other Windows/Linux distros use that make this so special.
    There PhatLinux, WinLinux 2000, Armed Linux and a coupla others besides. So LinuxLite is a wee way down the list.

    Speaking of PhatLinux, don't be too quick to dismiss it. Last time I looked it was number 1 over at download.com's [cnet.com] linux section.
  • having pored throught their web page, I don't believe linuxone runs _under_ windows at all. It's not a VMware-like thing at all. They just are installing into c:\linux, or some such, and using loadlin to boot linux from there... slackware has been doing this forever. Also I know someone who has one of their disks, and It's apparently a repackaged redhat, with the name linuxone replacing redhat where ever it shows up....

    a bunch of poop
  • heh, try going to linuxone.net, where the company's page is.

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