Linux Showdown, Or What Do You Want to Know in Linux? 99
So, little_bird sent in some information about the upcoming LinuxWorldExpo in February, talking about the program but also a "Linux Showdown". It's a feature panel consisting of "leading commercial Linux providers" with questions being field from a panel of experts, the audience and one another about Linux. My question - what would you want to ask these folks? What's on your mind?
BTW, I've also been told that if you register for any conference package by December 4, you're in a drawing to win one of twenty-five autographed copies of the upcoming Jon Katz book, GEEK. How Two Lost Boys Rode the Internet Out of Idaho. But the book is dedicated to Rob and I, so I dunno... *grin*.
Several of my questions (Score:2)
Now that RedHat has funding, why do i see more adds for turbo linux and other unices out there?
When will Java be a part of Linux? Lots of enterprise systems, such as Oracle, Veritas and other programs require JVM's and Java Plugins that don't exist
Again, now that there is money, who is lobbying for core support? Like Java, Hardware and Software drivers?
Who will take the lead on core system? - Don't give me an .1 upgrade because a new kde is out, what underlying technologies push your distribution outside of money?
Vendor Support - What are existing and future plans? Do you offer help to Palm Computer, Handspring and other Handheld devices for integration?
I guess my questions all lead to the same thing, there seems to be lots of money out there, but only enough to pay for what we got.. nothing is being pioneered except a "movement" and well, when things do get pioneered such as KDE 2.0 they get bitched at for vering off from other GUI's when it supposed to be a choice to begin with..
Questions (Score:2)
How do you feel that a technical OS like Linux can compete with the ease of use of MacOS or windows?
-- Moondog
The dangers of pointing out sarcasm (Score:1)
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Pressure Hardware Vendors to Supply Drivers (Score:2)
Now that ATI and 3COM have decided to become Linux-friendly, how about targeting input device vendors, monitor vendors, printer vendors, etc?
MODERATORS - THE ABOVE IS NOT A TROLL!!! (Score:1)
Re:Java, Sysconfig, Testing/LSB (Score:1)
Unfortunately, I wouldn't look to finding a completely unencumbered Java environment anytime soon. The last I saw of the GNU Classpath project, it didn't look like an attempt to do much more than cover the very basics. Stuff like RMI they're not even talking about achieving compatibility with, and Swing is way way too complex (and painfully convoluted.. more and more with each release) to make recreating it in clean-room fashion very feasible, imho. If the free software community had those resources to throw at Swing, I'd imagine they could develop a GUI system that was a bit more fully specified in terms of its behavior and which would sacrifice some of the fancy UI plugging and fancy document model system in favor of reliability and behavioral flexibility.
On the other hand, Java 1.1 with AWT but without Swing is a reasonable target for a completely free re-implementation. Ganymede uses Swing quite a bit, but a lot of the major GUI components are largely Swing-independent, as they were written before Swing. The tree and table widgets used in it are not the Swing ones, for instance.
Anyway, just a digression on Christopher's always incisive comments.
Corporate market issues (Score:4)
* Linux needs a unified and coherent High Availability Solution. The guys at HA-Linux are doing a great job (thanx, Allan!), but this project still lacks a lot of functionality.
A good High Availability Solution involves both software and hardware. As being used mostly on Intel platforms, Linux lacks adequate hardware to do things like disk sharing, and on the software side, it lacks a good journaled file system that also uses a LVM
Any of you guys has a real solution, or at least some effort being put into it, to show us? I am an AIX worker who works a lot with HACMP, the IBM product for High Availability. My company also does some jobs for Linux, too, and it is not uncommon for some customer to be interested in High Availability for Linux. The customer gives up as soon as it sees the obstacles for getting the software and hardware for it.
* Linux Certification. I've heard that IBM will be offering certification in Linux too. Are any of the technical guys in your company certified? If so, which exact certification do they have? The RedHat certification? Or other company's one? How important do you feel being certified is in the Linux market today? Do you also feel the lack of a strong, internationalized, unified Linux certification?
* Lovely distributions vs. Good distributions - As an Unix professional, I feel very sorry for the today distributions. Even the most corporate ones seems to be targeted to the home user and general services, being bloated with several daemons and applications which really aren't necessary or even desirable in most practical situations. This makes all the Linux distributions which I know very slow compared to the real power of the kernel.
A good distribution that could be tuned in installation time would be a gift from the heavens for technical people. Something that doesn't follow the redhat standard (sorry, redhat, but your distribution IS bloated) and don't make dumb mistakes like when you ask it not to install X in the installation menu and it still installs it because it is a prerequisite for most administration applications.
Do you plan for implementing something like that in your company? My boss proposed a while ago that we could make such a distribution, or at least an internal-use only version of it to ease our work.
* Corporate database using.It is fine to see that Oracle, Sybase, Informix, DB2 and so on have versions for Linux, it is nice to see SAP R/3 shipping for Linux too, but has ANYBODY having REAL experience with it? We are willing to work with Linux like we work with AIX, but we don't know anybody who has real experience with Linux in this database world so that we could use this knowledge to help clients to migrate to Linux.
Do you have any experience in Linux using these products in serious, mission-critical environments?
* Drivers, libraries and software issues - One of the shiny points about Linux is the availability of very good open-source software. The bad point of this good point is having to compile almost every application you get. To worse things up, you are on your own if you have trouble with shared libraries -- many software products use libraries in beta stages, and sometimes you can't use one of them because the other requires just the other version of that same library, and you can't have both on the same system. How do you explain that to a customer when you are providing support?
I guess these are my points. Hey, I could use these answers for the real world if I get them!
Thanks in advance,
Cláudio Sampaio (Patola)
Solvo IT
Re:A few questions about attending the expo... (Score:1)
1) can anyone attend? i dont have a job title, im a CS student.
Anyone 12 and over can register to attend the event. You do not need to have a job title. There were many students at previous shows.
2) what is the purpose of registration? is registration a prerequisite to attending the expo?
Everyone who wants to attend the show, must register. You are not allowed onto the expo floor or the conference session without the proper badge. If you register for an Exhibits Only badge before January 4, 2000, it is free. The conference packages cost money. You need to submit payment at the time of registration. The amount depending on what package you want to register for. You can register online before January 4, 2000 or at the Javits Center.
What do they do with the registration information that you submit?
We store it in a database for marketing research.
For more information about registering, visit www.linuxworldexpo.com
Hope this helps!
Kristin DeAngelis
Marketing Manager
LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
I strongly suspect that EEE is really... (Score:1)
Gerald Holmes??
"linux will become baron" Baron Von Linux... I like that!
A few notes to the newbies... Linux cannot use and does not need a 32 MB Rage Fury card. Actually, neither does Windows...
-Hamnrye
"Our graphic artists are complaining that their computers are too slow, we should look in to some of the new 16 MB video cards." -My PHB
Re:Linux Questions (Score:1)
1. Abandonment of technical unix projects in favour of UI stuff with 'popular appeal'
2. Increased insularity of the kernel development list with the 'average user' actively discouraged from knowing about development kernels.
3. `Because it's cool' shall become the primary reason for anybody to use linux.
4. Those that frolic and hop shall detonate with great concussions!
Hmm. All I can suggest is that people should start to keep a /very/ close eye on any sheep in the vicinity.
B>
Re:No argument... (Score:1)
Linux and Multimedia (Score:2)
Is a time foreseen when Linux could become an equal in the multimedia arena?
Where do I start (Score:1)
I wonder when will linux seriously address issues concerning high end graphics cards as a semi priority? I mean come on, we criticize windows but windows recognizes my hardware no problem. But with linux I have to pay some commerical vendor for a custom X-server. Its the same for Sun. To me running at 640X480 8dpp is no pleasure when I know my card and monitor does at least 1152X864.
Also I believe that with Corel and other big name
corporations like Red Hat, the linux industry has grown but what's to stop Linux from becoming a version of windows for the 90's. Don't get me wrong linux sympathizers but what is soon to happen is linux will become consumed by big business and what we all love about linux will become baron. What I wanna know is if Linux is planning to follow Microsoft(more code, more power) or is it dedicated to writing clean, useful code?
Everyone talks about the Desktop. (Score:1)
This is what I would lkike to know. When can we expect out of the box High Availability in linux servers. I know turbolinux has their cluster product, but I want heartbeat failover through serial connection ala F5/PIX.
When do you expect SMP to scale to 32 + processors.
Is there any plans to make Loadbalancing software for linux (ala F5)
how about some of the middleware vendors..
what about Comercial apps like Veritas, checkpoint, etc.. Will we see these kind of things getting with the program in the next year?
These questions need to be answered so I can Make the PHB's Happy
I think we are seing les focus in the area where Linux really Kicks ass. This is where we need to improve and surpass.
On that note. What kind of innovations can we expect to see in the next 2 years. I would think that Linux community should be the trend setter in the server and desktop markets in the next year or so. What is being done as far as R&D spending and or communty support.
granted I love seeing more apps on the desktop.. I love playing games in linux at home, but I wouldn't have all the time to enjoy theses things if my servers wern't runnin smooth..
just my $0.02
YES!!! (Score:1)
If you think you know what the hell is really going on you're probably full of shit.
Java, Sysconfig, Testing/LSB (Score:4)
There seems to have been something of a "trainwreck" with respect to Java. There are lots of "nearly done" Java environments out there, including Kaffe, GCJ, Jikes, "Blackdown," and likely others.
Unfortunately, none are truly useful without some combination of classes (ala GNU Classpath) and some combination of AWT/Swing. And that has been rather less rapidly forthcoming in the "reasonably free form" that is necessary in order for it to be ubiquitous enough for people to really use it to deploy applications, or to use it as a layer on which to build further infrastructure like EJB.
Is anybody near to deploying a complete "libre" Java for Linux?
There's Linuxconf. [solucorp.qc.ca] There's COAS. [coas.org] There's cfengine. [hioslo.no] And Ganymede [utexas.edu] (tho it needs Java; see above...) and bunches of other system config tools [hex.net] one one degree of incompleteness or another.
Big, expensive things like UniCentre are also getting ported, although they're not likely of great interest on the home front.
Is there any intent to try to have some useful protocols to allow intercommunications of some of these systems, or to perhaps pick an existing one rather than recreating the wheel?
There has been some lipservice about Linux Standard Base (LSB), [linuxbase.org] but it is not evident that anyone has either deployed substantially changed systems as a result of attempting to conform to some common guidelines, nor to actually provide ways of conforming systems to standards.
There are lots of tools out there to run systems through automated test suites; that is apparently one of the major tasks of one ACLs for Linux [uni-bremen.de] project. In other contexts, we find ANSI Common LISP Conformance Tests. [cons.org] The folks at Cygnus run EGCS through testing, and provide EGCS Test Suite Results. Greg is being used to validate that GnuStep [gnustep.org] conforms to its documentation.
And then there's the Extreme Programming approach (particularly associated with Smalltalk) where one of the core requirements is of Continuous Integration Tests [c2.com] that are integrated in with the development process.
But it is, often enough, not clear that people are depending in much more than merely the notion that Because it's Open Source, naturally bags of people will want to spend their weekends testing my code.
We badly need to have some regression tests so that some testing takes place as distributions are constructed. Debian [debian.org] does some of this with dpkg-related tools; it is highly unfortunate that similar tools have not cropped up around RPM. [rpm.org]
Question: What are you doing to help contribute to the public body of test suite code?
Re:How are they going to counter Gerald Holmes (Score:1)
Sorry guys, I'm dumping Slashdot. Gerald is da man! C-ya!
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Re:Clueless newbies want to know... (Score:2)
in my experience, its not, but it doesnt document even 1/4 of whats there. So incomplete is a better description.
* Why does Linus still hate the GGI project
He believes that X is good enough, and its his right to think that. He's not actively against GGI, but more against the inclusion of KGI in the mainstream kernel. I doubt the clueless newbies even know about GGI
* Will DOSEMU ever run Windows98
No. Not in its current incarnation. Win98 requires access to protected mode, which isnt availible when you're running an x86 VM.
* Why isnt BERLIN integrated into the kernel
For the same reasons X/Gnome isnt. It'd be daft
Imagine how long a 20meg kernel would take to boot
* If I disassemble a proprietry driver module, is it Open Source(tm)?
No, you'd not have the copyright for that thing, so you wouldnt be allowed to declare it open source.
* When is
Debian has a neat package, called dwww which translates pretty much any documentation into one search engine, running locally. It basically pulls info2html, man2html and
* If I piss off Linus, will Tove kick my ass?
Hmm, dunno, I think its hard to piss off Linus.
PS: apologies for any misquotings of the questions, mozilla's copy/paste isnt currently working.
More-offtopic reply to slightly-less-idiotic idiot (Score:1)
No, the primary purpose behind establishing a free society is that everybody can do whatever s/he damn well pleases, providing that s/he doesn't hurt any children or non-consenting adults in the process. Getting rich is a side-issue at best; it's just one more option that's available if you've got some time on your hands.
Selfishness may be a virtue, depending upon the use of the word, because it promotes life and increases the living standards of everyone it encounters
That's idiotic. That statement may be almost true, if we accept the insane proposition that people are motivated by "rational self-interest". Since they damn near never are, you're just being silly.
Free-market capitalism in a [semi-]democracy is the least broken system we've come up with for organizing and running a modern industrial society. Selfishness helps drive this system, so it's got some value. But don't get all weepy and misty-eyed and start pretending it's a heavenly gift from God or something. It's useful. Leave it at that.
you come here, pretending to describe support for a free society, and then say that people should be judged by their worth to that society, instead of on their own accomplishments as free men?
As usual with Randites and crypto-Randites, you justify "the virtue of selfishness" on utilitarian grounds, and then you go on to sneer at utilitarianism. I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
greed as used here is intended to mean "promotion of self interest at the price of someone else's happiness". Sorry, buddy, you lose. That is never right.
What the hell are you getting at?
First, nothing in his post offered any explicit specifics about his preferred meaning of "greed", but the general context seemed to indicate some kind of Wall Street "greed is good" thing, otherwise known as "rational self-interest", the glories of the Free Market, blah blah blah. Which is exactly what you're contrasting it to. What are you trying to accomplish there?
Second, I'd really love to hear you explain how capitalism is supposed to work if we don't promote "self interest at the price of someone else's happiness". Come on! Have you ever worked in a dead-end job? It ain't "happiness", pal. Most successful companies have people working there who just damn well hate their jobs. It sucks for them, but somebody has to do that kind of work. Somebody has to clean the damn toilets, etc. Hell, read Dilbert. Not all hateful jobs are even menial. So, okay, you pay them a fair wage, and that's the best you can do. Their jobs still suck. Some of them mangage to pull themselves out of that kind of crap, but most don't. You could pay them US$150k/year for those jobs, and they'd probably feel a lot better, but then you'd go out of business soon enough and they'd be on the street. (Probably watching the investors chase you down the sidewalk with a meat cleaver in one hand and a lawyer in the other). Don't kid yourself. There is nothing that can be done about the general problem of people in boring, lame jobs hating their jobs. It's not "wrong", it's just a damn shame, that's all. It's part of the whole system. It's the way things work. Not everybody gets to do something exciting, and not everybody is able to do a good job at something exciting. The known alternatives to this system have turned out to be worse for everybody concerned.
It's perfectly okay to admit the imperfections of something which is, on the whole, worthwhile. In fact, when people refuse to admit that something has any imperfections at all, I tend to write them off as fanatical nitwits.
. . . or you are a miserable left wing sod campaigning to descredit those who think rationally and therefore propound freedom. . . . most liberals aren't that consciously evil.
And you consider yourself less of a loony, mindless ideologue than the troll you flamed? Good luck.
There's more to life than barking slogans at the top of your lungs. Grow up.
You should also consider the one obvious explanation for the post, the point of which you seem to have missed entirely: It looks to me like a satire on the reality of our legal system, and how it is influenced by supposedly irrelevant socio-economic attributes of defendants. If s/he bashed right-wing nuts in the process, it was probably just a target of opportunity: Right-wing nuts are funny. (And just in case you really are living in the profound denial that you claim, a hell of a lot of right-wingers do believe that the poor are inherently inferior; search Google for "The Bell Curve" and see what turns up).
newbies? (Score:1)
What I'd like to ask (Score:2)
How are they going to counter Gerald Holmes (Score:4)
George
Clueless newbies want to know... (Score:3)
A few Q's (Score:3)
question for senator mcarthy (Score:1)
Ode to a Penguin (Score:1)
There once was a Penguin named Tux,
who made a living driving trucks,
until he got an O/S, that beats out MS,
and decided to call it "Linux".
Your processes, threads and sockets,
run in cars, airplanes, rockets,
on a train on its tracks, on PCs and on Macs,
and on the handheld in my pocket.
From humble beginnings in a school,
to the OS for everyone who is cool,
Your source is free, for all to see,
which means you really rule!
Desktop Supremacy! (Score:2)
And do you think these features will come from the OSS movement, or will they be produced by the corporate sector of the Linux community?
Possible question (Score:2)
Even better question... (Score:1)
a) check the grammer on his resume
b) tell him it's not an NT position
c) check his reference from a BillG at Microsoft
d) kick his sorry ass back to PC Weak
e) all of the above
Wrong people to ask IMO (Score:1)
I mean, all due credit to Red Hat and company, they're importand to 'the cause', but as I see it, there only real qualification is they figured out how to make money off something that's free..
Admititly, they have some infulence, but last time I checked, most the the 'guts' where still being written by outsiders, with thses groups working on things like install programs, package managers and general newbification.
What to know the future? Talk to some of those tricky hardware designers out in the pacific or find a kernel geek who can code good english..
Or read freshmeat.
Re:How are they going to counter Gerald Holmes (Score:1)
It is kind of hard to respect someone who doesn't like Linux because there is no Space Cadets game.
What a freak.
Re:You hit the nail right on the head... (Score:1)
You're all a bunch of gibbering idiots. None of you could shell-script your way out of a paper bag. Don't you bunch of fucking clods know anything at all about anything at all? Anyone even slightly in the know would correctly say that TWM is the One, True Window Manager.
Any differing opinions will be considered heresy and disregarded.
Benighted heathens, all of you!
--Corey
Re:My favorite questions... (Score:2)
/* Found in Don Hopkins'
*
* The color situation is a total flying circus. The X approach to
* device independence is to treat everything like a MicroVax framebuffer
* on acid. A truely portable X application is required to act like the
* persistent customer in the Monty Python ``Cheese Shop'' sketch. Even
* the simplest applications must answer many difficult questions, like:
*
* WHAT IS YOUR DISPLAY?
* display = XOpenDisplay("unix:0");
* WHAT IS YOUR ROOT?
* root = RootWindow(display, DefaultScreen(display));
* AND WHAT IS YOUR WINDOW?
* win = XCreateSimpleWindow(display, root, 0, 0, 256, 256, 1,
* BlackPixel(display, DefaultScreen(display)),
* WhitePixel(display, DefaultScreen(display)))
* OH ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN GO ON.
*
* WHAT IS YOUR DISPLAY?
* display = XOpenDisplay("unix:0");
* WHAT IS YOUR COLORMAP?
* cmap = DefaultColormap(display, DefaultScreen(display));
* AND WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE COLOR?
* favorite_color = 0; / * Black. * /
* / * Whoops! No, I mean: * /
* favorite_color = BlackPixel(display, DefaultScreen(display));
* / * AAAYYYYEEEEE!! (client dumps core & falls into the chasm) * /
*
* WHAT IS YOUR DISPLAY?
* display = XOpenDisplay("unix:0");
* WHAT IS YOUR VISUAL?
* struct XVisualInfo vinfo;
* if (XMatchVisualInfo(display, DefaultScreen(display),
* 8, PseudoColor, &vinfo) != 0)
* visual = vinfo.visual;
* AND WHAT IS THE NET SPEED VELOCITY OF AN XConfigureWindow REQUEST?
* / * Is that a SubStructureRedirectMask or a ResizeRedirectMask? * /
* WHAT?! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT?
* AAAAUUUGGGHHH!!!! (server dumps core & falls into the chasm)
*/
Re:Clueless newbies want to know... (Score:1)
Because people who write code generally don't like writing documentation. Software companies usually can deal with this by hiring tech writers to write documentation, although they often can't get sufficient information from the developers to write accurate documentation either. However, since we're talking Open Source here, if you find a man5 page which isn't accurate, you can make the necessary changes and contribute it back to the core project.
> Why does Linus still hate the GGI project?
I haven't seen him say that he hates it, even on the GGI progect web site. I have seen him say that he isn't convinced that it is the right answer. That doesn't mean that he thinks that it is the wrong answer, but he only wants to put interfaces for the right answers in the kernel. That doesn't stop you from using it, and if enough people are using it that it becomes apparent that it is the right (or, at lease, adequate) answer, it will be accepted into the core. Look at the history of the serial console in Linux. I recall a time when Linus was vehemently opposed to putting it in the kernel. It's there now.
> Will DOSEMU ever run Windows98?
Why? If you're wanting to run Windows 98 applications, a better means would be WINE or TWIN. If you actually want to run Windows 98, you can use VMware.
> Why isn't BERLIN integrated in the kernel?
Is it the right answer, or just an answer?
> If I disassemble a proprietary driver module, is it Open Source(tm)?
Hardly. It's quite possible that the act of disassembling it would violate the licence it was provided to you under. Even if it isn't a license violation, it would be a derived work, and be covered under the same proprietary license. The only way to make an Open Source driver from it would be if you could describe the behavior of the driver in enough detail without source, that someone who hasn't seen the source could write a duplicate driver.
> When is
Never? While much of the information in
> If I piss off Linus, will Tove kick my ass?
Is that a concern, or a request?
Re:The dangers of pointing out sarcasm (Score:1)
Questions for the commercial Linux sellers... (Score:1)
- Use a boot floppy/boot CD-ROM which automatically ran FIPS to create space for the new OS
- Give users control over how things are partitioned (expert mode) or do something "sensible" (64M swap, 10% of disk for
/home, rest for /) by default - Give users 3 or 4 preconfigured package install options ("minimal","server","everything") or let the user choose each 'n every package a la SuSE's YAST
- up-to-date documentation...
I include the last because the distro I bought back in May said, "LILO and FIPS won't work with the new FAT32 format!" and they most certainly did. Caused me some unnecessary panic there.Also, how about some standards for where the various config files go? Do I find init.d in /etc or /sbin or what? There is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, but it seems like few people follow that--why not start?
When are they gonna standardize?? (Score:1)
Re:My Questions (Score:1)
what was that question again?
;)
My Questions (Score:1)
2. What needs to be done to bring Linux to the masses? Do you think it is better that Linux is left to more technically saavy users as opposed to the average user? Would mass-marketing Linux poase a threat to its open-source status? If needed, would it be worth it to sacrifice the "do it yourself" nature of Linux in order to make it more friendly and popular to the mainstream pc user?
My favorite questions... (Score:2)
What... is your quest?
What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Re:How are they going to counter Gerald Holmes (Score:1)
Re:My Questions (Score:2)
"Do you think there will/should be any attempts to create a standardized version of Linux in order to solve the issue of potential incompatibility between different distribs?"
I guess preview is my friend after all
Commercial software support. (Score:1)
We've all seen the many and varied claims to following the linux file system standard, but it has fallen short of making things easy to move between distributions. What's going to happen between vendors in the future?
Re:Even better question... (Score:1)
a) check the grammer on his resume
b) tell him it's not an NT position
c) check his reference from a BillG at Microsoft
d) kick his sorry ass back to PC Weak
e) all of the above
I went to my own panel of experts, and here's what they had to say...
Keanu Reeves: Whoah. I'd shoot the hostage. Take him out of the equation.
Yoda: Kick his sorry ass back to PC Week I would. Yes.
Bill Gates: I don't understand the question.
Bill Clinton: In your question, what do you mean by the word "at"?
Dan Quayle: Id chek the gramer on his resuhmay.
Ginger Lynn: I'd tell him I don't do the... I mean... I'd tell him it's not an NT position. Then again I might do all of the above.
Re:Your Nobel Prize is in the mail. (Score:1)
There's no need to be rude about it there, slick. I was simply responding to the /.-er who seem to miss the fact that the guy was being sarcastic.
Re:Wrong people to ask IMO (Score:2)
The people to ask about the future would include a kernel developer, one person from KDE developement, one from Gnome developement, a person from Corel, a person from SGI, a person from VA, a person from Linuxcare, a person with IBM, and a person from at least two of the following hardware vendors: Creative, ATI, Diamond, AMD, Intel, 3COM, Sun (involved in hardware), and Compaq (involved in Alpha).
That's a panel I'd like to see.
Who are you? What do you want? (Score:1)
Cheers,
Rick Kirkland
oops. (Score:1)
silly me.. not checking how to spell my
latin phrases..
Linux Questions (Score:1)
WindowMaker all of the way. (Score:1)
a) Suck at using UNIX, or
b) Have a really over-necessarily powerful computer..
Although, thats my prejudice...
--Evan