SuSE Sales up Significantly 118
Lost in the Corporate Maze writes "SUSE rides the Linux Cash Cow!. I guess someone asked SUSE to "Show me the money!". What's the breakdown between US and World sales? Where is this revenue coming from? Enquring minds want to know. "
We mentioned this before, but its interesting seeing to appear in a major pub.
Amusing step in the rivalry between the major distributions.
This is getting fun, but its also further proof that Linux
is getting bigger.
you mean... arrogant? (Score:1)
Re:Better than .*? (Score:1)
However, I'm confused on how Enlightentment DR0.15 worked for you. I had to upgrade the libjpeg and some other libs (I think libungif) as well. I was trying 15.5, but maybe you tried an earlier one?
Yes, WindowMaker came with 6.1, but I couldn't find any dock apps. Now, RH6.0 only came with the most common ones (wmmon, wmtime, wmitime,etc.) but at least they had the most common ones.
KDE, I don't know (or care) about. I do agree that they shouldn't be non-standard, but I haven't personally had any problems 'cause I don't use it. That was another problem with SuSE 6.1; it installed the base KDE stuff even though I unselected it from installation. Why?
I agree that RH5.2 had some buggy software (gnome-linuxconf for a big one), but some of the design issues in SuSE were just as bad. How do you set up a PPP connection with DHCP, for example? I can't find any way to do that without writing my own PAP or CHAP script. I certainly could do that, but why? I is automated in netcfg, so why bother?
Recent GNOME was distributed with 6.1, but when you install it, none of the default $PATH variables have
Well, I didn't want this to turn into some sort of distro flame war, but I just happen to not have problems with RH6.0, while I had HUGE problems with SuSE6.1. Sounds like you had somewhat the opposite view. Oh, well. I guess we're both happy with what we have now....
The only things that need to be downloaded (Score:1)
The only problem with SuSE that I've found is that they have their own version of the kernel with extra drivers and stuff. This caused some problem for me when I tried to apply a kernel patch. I've since started installing the "standard" linux kernel sources from their CD so I can apply patches regularly when they are released.
Re:SuSE is cheaper, after all... (Score:1)
SuSE showed me the money... (Score:1)
What should greet my eyes: RH6.0 is ONLY $79.99. Huh? I didn't pay that much for Windows NT f'cryin' out loud!
And what's next to that $79 RH6.0 package on the shelf? SuSE 6.1 for $29.95. Next stoopid question?
I don't know what is the RH strategy here, but they lost a potentially loyal buyer of 5.0 and 5.2. I just didn't want to start all over again with a different distribution. Well, I did, and it was a relatively simple transition. New ppp & TCP issues resolved easily. Lotz of new toys, etc.
And now I don't even need no steenkin' distribution!!
yast license/you _CAN_ copy the cd set (Score:1)
Yes, you cannot redistribute the entire cd set.
But no, once you remove yast and derived works, you can redistribute it.
I've been doing admin work for SuSE systems since years and have never used yast. You really don't need it, if you aren't a clueless newbie.
Re:ivan_13013 is being unfair for a Linux user!!! (Score:1)
In particular, I will not purchase a distribution which consists of freely donated software with one program that is not freely donated but instead is licensed in such a way as to discourage free distribution of the composite product. You are free to do as you choose and I support your right to agree to whatever licensing terms you enjoy. You can be Bill Gates' towel boy for 12 months after opening Win2k shrink wrap, for all I care. (see Dilbert archives..)
Re:HP-UX (Score:2)
Not that Red Hat is totally free of such idiocy. For example, print configuration information is stored in little files in
-- Eric
Re:SuSE is being unethical for a Linux distributor (Score:1)
SuSE makes their money because of the other contributors to GNU, Linux and the many many other apps they sell -- these people encouraged free distribution of their Linux-related works. SuSE does not encourage free distribution of their Linux related work (the distribution). However, SuSE does make contributions to XFree86 (XFree) and Linux (GPL) which we can all benefit from. They are not "bad" but their product is not free in the DFSG sense.
All that said, I apologize again for calling SuSE leeches, which is clearly not true.
(puts on dunce cap)
Re:SuSE is being unethical for a Linux distributor (Score:1)
I found out today that SuSE did make significant contributions to XFree and the kernel which offset that asymmetry to some extent, but do not really make up for it. It does have the effect of making me look like an idiot for calling them leeches, though..
Re:SuSE is being unethical for a Linux distributor (Score:1)
from what I understand (correct me please if I am wrong) is that the cultural context of linux in the US and the rest of the world is quite different. it seems that the *free* and *non-free* concerns are lessor in countries other than our own. I have heard that the concerns in other countries than our own are more based on technical merit of the distro rather than whether they comply with *free* or *non-free* status.
If this is the case, maybe we should harken back to basic anthropology classes to remember which lense we use to view linux phenomena outside of our own (may I say *narrow* viewpoint)
SuSE and FSSTD (Score:1)
What are you talking about? I've had 5.2,5.3,6.0, and 6.1 and I've always found XF86Config in
chris
Re:I've recommended it to quite a few people (Score:1)
B) There will always be downloading for the newest version of something, noteably the kernel.
II) I have a pet chameleon (not really, but that'd be neat).
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Reveal your Source, Unleash the Power. (tm)
Thanks!! (Score:1)
Re:Better than .*? (Score:1)
Re:Debian install complexity (Score:1)
Also, in case you couldn't tell from the previous statement, I'm a fan of trees (real and electronic), and of heirarchical organizations withing my computer. Subdirectories are a good thing. I much prefer RedHat's organization of having all the init stuff in
As far as package management after the install, I could give a flying rat's a$$. I haven't used RPM since I installed linux (and that was a first time install for me). I have downloaded a few gigs (yes, GB) of sources in
Re:'Alternative' systems in Europe (Score:2)
Bought SuSE 6.1 at Best Buy $29.99 (Score:1)
I can never just walk on by.
Re:Can you download it? (Score:1)
Thanks, ./'ers! (Score:1)
I asked and received. Glory of glories, I got pleasant, rational answers to my original question.
It's sincerely appreciated.
SuSE is being unethical for a Linux distributor (Score:2)
What I *do* have a problem with is that they are essentially a proprietary company. They distribute a non-free Linux distribution, and stop just short of entirely refusing to acknowledge GNU and the GPL (not a mention of GNU on the package). More than 90 percent of what they are selling on that CD was contributed for free by the community. But they don't have the decency to contribute their utilities back, such as YAST.
SuSE is not helping Linux by trying to turn it proprietary. RedHat, on the other hand, isn't perfect either. But RH contributes their improvements and so is a member of the community instead of a leech -- like SuSE.
Read the Licence!!! (Score:1)
3. Dissemination
It is forbidden to reproduce or distribute data carriers which have
been reproduced without authorisation for payment without the prior
written consent of SuSE GmbH or SuSE Linux. Distribution of the
YaST programme, its sources, whether amended or unamended in full or
in part thereof, and the works derived thereof for a charge require
the prior written consent of SuSE GmbH.
All programmes derived from YaST, and all works derived thereof as a
whole or parts thereof may only be disseminated with the amended
sources and this licence in accordance with 2b). Making YaST or
works derived thereof available free of charge together with SuSE
Linux on FTP Servers and mailboxes is permitted if the licences on
the software are observed.
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The major difference to GPL that I see is that you can't sell anything derived from YAST. In that sense it is %100 free (as in beer) and free with restrictions (as in speech), as well as having the same 'infection' property which GPL does (including requiring that the source be available). Ummm, are we nitpicking?
chris
Re:SuSE is being unethical for a Linux distributor (Score:1)
The often-mentioned mixing of free and non-free software is IMHO mainly to ease installation (make it more transparent for every user).
And, seriously, would you want YaST for any other distro? I'm happy with Debian apt-get (and vim) and will never use something like YaST.
Sebastian
Addendum... (Score:1)
This licence means you can make as many copies as you want to give away, just not to sell it. That also means a company can buy one copy and make a bunch of copies to install everywhere.
As far as I can see, you could literally make a distro identical to SuSe except for YAST, sell it for gobs of money (well, you could try
chris
SuSE vs. Debian (Score:1)
These were my first steps with linux but i was frustrated i didn't manage to
Yast messed up most configuration files...
In school we had installed a proxy using Linux.
We had to wait two weeks for a new version of squid we really needed urgently... and it was broken. We had to compile it ourselves.
Then a friend of mine (the one who showed me linux) gave me Debian and i was really happy:
Although the WindowMaker was quite old, the sources I downloaded
And the best thing i know is APT.
I read in freshmeat about a software package which sounded interesting.
"apt-get install softwaretitle"
and it was running on my box.
This was just a great.
If you don't want to use bleeding-edge, you can choose the Stable tree, for guys who like to play around with the newest things there's a seperate unstable tree. (updates usually appear within 2 days in unstable)
"apt-get update"
"apt-get upgrade"
and your system is up-to-date
So i just love Debian whereas i didn't like SuSE very much.
SuSE does use RPMs (Score:1)
ivan_13013 is being unfair for a Linux user!!! (Score:1)
Even though SuSE doesn't make all of their utilities free, they have (as the above poster pointed out) made significant hardware support contributions to XFree86 and the kernel. I suppose I should have checked that out first before being so harsh, so I'm sorry. (But I'm still not going to pay them for a non-free software package)
Re:Better than .*? (Score:1)
esp. I installed GNOME (then new) rpms on suse5 from here. Quite useful site to remember. -a
Re:SuSE is cheaper, after all... (Score:1)
Now, I'd really be content if I could purchase Civ Call to Power and other Linux games from the rack.
Re:SuSE is being unethical for a Linux distributor (Score:1)
As far as they not contributing to the community, you might not be aware that SuSE has developed quite a few of the card specific X servers distributed with XFree.
You talk about them not contributing code, what about Red Hat, are the Printtool, LinuxConf or the sndconfig licensed under the GPL?
This my friend is what distinguishes distributions from each other, giving us a choice.
Frunkster
Re:Susie, the chameleon! (Score:1)
Re:you can resell SuSE (Score:1)
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Re:Susie, the chameleon! (Score:1)
Darn it. How about if I say lizards are better than birds? =)
Better than .*? (Score:1)
This is not meant to start a flame war, but what's the appeal of SuSe over, say, RedHat or Debian?
Pronunciation [OffTopic] (Score:1)
(.au file with thick German accent: "Hello, my name ist Marc Torres und I pronounce 'SuSE' as . .
Nitpick (Score:1)
The Amiga hardly bombed in the US. Everyone who could afford one pretty much went out and bought one. Everyone who couldn't afford one got an ST or stuck with their C64.
The Ami may never have achieved, in the US, the same phenomenal success it had in Europe, but it was by nobody's measure a bomb. The ST, now that was a bomb -- well, maybe a dud. =)
Re:Better than .*? (Score:1)
So basically it's a complete distro... extremely up to date.
HTH,
joliveir @ hartford dot ee dee you
Can you download it? (Score:1)
Why SuSe's Linux version... (Score:3)
The distributions I tried (well, some years ago) were well suited for beginners, but not for the more advanced user, with "hacker" documentation and optional modules missing there and where (or in
SuSe was the first distribution easily available on CD in Germany - and the first company offering professional support since Linux 0.99.x. See, my first linux CD was a SuSe with kernel 1.0.9
In case someone asks: now I use (and prefer) Debian, but I intend to try OpenBSD soon.
'Alternative' systems in Europe (Score:2)
Interesting. I have lived in Germany now for almost six years, and not long after I arrived I heard about Linux for the first time (1994) via Usenet. It wasn't too long after that SuSE started pushing SuSE Linux, which took root pretty fast. Every company I've worked for or with (six of 'em) have used SuSE Linux in some capacity; my current company uses it for all servers, both intra- and Internet, for ourselves and our clients (we do web design, sometimes also setting up the server as well).
I didn't hear about Red Hat until much later. Odd. Even then I basically heard of it through my interest in MkLinux DR2.
It's also interesting that Linux took root so fast in Germany. Lots of Debian developers, for example, are German (or at least European). By the same token, other 'alternative' OSes were big in Europe but bombed in the US: Atari and above all Amiga (let's hope that they don't set a precedent for Linux).
So in many ways it's not a surprise to see that SuSE is doing so well, in contrast to Red Hat or Caldera--they've been bigger longer. But as the article states, SuSE's and Red Hat's growth curves are about the same--just Red Hat is a step behind. I wish 'em both luck...
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner [surf.to]
Re:Nitpick (Score:1)
Ah, well. I guess you could take that view, but the sad part is that the Amiga is barely hanging on for life. Sad, really--I remember a friend's 500 with surround sound, 3D and so on, while I was clunking with a Mac IIcx (circa 1991). Hardly to be compared... :-/
Just goes to show that you should never trust Commodore with anything. At least not for very long. :P
Re:Pronunciation [OffTopic] (Score:1)
zoo -zah
At least that's the German pronunciation. I'm sure you can get away with calling it "Susie", since that's what the name means in German anyway (Suse is a nickname for "Susanne").
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner [surf.to]
Re:Pronunciation [OffTopic] (Score:1)
"Zoo-za" ("zoo" like the animal exhibition, "a" like in "bad", but short).
Greetings from Germany!
Cliche Overload! Ack! (Score:2)
Page 2 Heading: "R-E-S-P-E-C-T"
Holy moly, can you get any more WORN OUT than that? Someone fax these guys some originality, please.
I propose a new law be passed giving citizens the right to legally smack silly anyone who says, "show me the money."
Re:Pronunciation [OffTopic] (Score:1)
Simple. Pronounce it like this:
zoo- zah
At least that's how it's done in German. You can also say "Susie", if you want, since "Suse" is just a German nickname for "Susanne" (that's the literal translation of the name).
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner [surf.to]
Debian install complexity (Score:1)
I beg to differ. Debian is only marginally more complex to install than, say, Red Hat. It's just wildly more complex to maintain. Part of that comes from the very strong dependancy model the package system is using. Another part of it comes from the fact that the Debian folks seem to have modified the hell out of every piece of software they package, and that the packages themselves are more fragile -- they break reasonably often with even simple apt-get operations.
[Note that I'm talking about potato here, slink isn't quite so painful, as it is quite stable now.]
Using Debian, I do miss being able to rpm --rebuild a package, and have that just plain work. Unfortunately dpkg-buildpackage seems to have a terrifyingly high failure rate in potato. (Or am I the only one who can't rebuild apache or pam?)
I don't debate your point about freeness, though. I like that it takes only a glance to see if a package is non-free with Debian.
Re:Can you download it? (Score:1)
North American mirror (VA Research, SuSE 6.0)
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/6.1/ [suse.com]
SuSE's FTP server in Germany (SuSE 6.1)
Otherwise look at http://www.suse.de/e/ftp.html [www.suse.de] for mirrors, etc.
Enjoy. :-)
Ye Olde Webdesigner [surf.to]
Re:SuSE proprietary (Score:1)
So what? Think about it. Most people outside of the Linux world (and outside of Europe) have pretty much only heard of Red Hat. SuSE isn't too well known outside of Europe, where it already has a strong presence. If anything, I think it's pretty clever on their part--steal some thunder from RH. I don't think that they are trying to deliberately harm RH's IPO, just trying to make it known that there are viable (semi-)commercial alternatives.
In a way, it's pretty ironic (no, not in the Alanis Morrisette sense) to hear people moaning about RH getting slammed by SuSE. It wasn't too long ago that everyone slammed RH for being the "Microsoft of Linux"...
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner [surf.to]
I've recommended it to quite a few people (Score:1)
SuSE is cheaper, after all... (Score:1)
I went to Fry's a couple of days ago, and when I went looking to see if they had BeOS 4.5 upgrades (they didn't have any Be at all =( ) I was surprised to find SuSE 6.1 on sale for $30. I thought I'd gottten a good deal at $40 a month ago. I'm sure the price has dropped considerably at other places, as well. With its shelf-neighbor Red Hat 6.0 selling for $80 at the same time, it's no wonder that more people are turning to SuSE...
Re:What's the story on YAST ???? (Score:2)
And yes, the source _IS_ included on the CDROM. You can hack at it to your heart's content, and you can even freely distribute it - AS LONG AS it is NOT FOR PROFIT. You cannot make money off of their setup/install tool.
It seems to me that they are literally one step ahead of redhat - with the new distro being pretty much based off it and all.
Re:'Alternative' systems in Europe (Score:1)
I'd say it's fascinating to look at variance in OS use, period. Look at Macs, for example: they have something like 30%-40% of the market in Switzerland still, but are clinging to their position in Germany and Austria (something like 2%-3% of the markets there). Go figure.
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner [surf.to]
thanks.. (Score:1)
I didn't mean that they hate free software, but the thing is, they have a CD full of almost all freely copyable software, but I can't copy the CD legally because SuSE has made it non-free. They also rarely mention GNU/GPL/FSF in their advertising literature, although I was unaware the GNU Manifesto was printed in their manual.
All that aside, they are not leeches and have done some great work to advance XFree86 development which I should have looked into before disrespecting the company.
-=Ivan
Re:HP-UX (Score:1)
IMHO this doesn't make such a great difference. I admin several SysV-ish systems where the scripts are in
Re:The only things that need to be downloaded (Score:1)
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Re:thanks.. (Score:1)
Oh, you can. You can copy it a thousand times if you want it. AFAIK the only thing you must not do is take YaST and make you own commercial linux distro. But I might be wrong.
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i think their good news helps everyone. (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1)
SuSE larger than RedHat (Score:1)
Seriously, the size of SuSE is good news for everybody. Should RedHat, in contradiction of sanity, start doing those things people were worried about, businesses have another large company to call for a Linux distro & hand-holding. If SuSE is "in their heart of hearts a services" company, I'd expect them to do very well in the (corporate) support aspect of things, which is where the money is. Having big corporations use Windows is why Windows is still around, so it's rather important for Linux World Domination (oddly enough, not a registerd trademark of Linus Torvalds).
Off-Topic: Microsoft's applications are what's keeping Windows on the desktop. There's no doubt in my mind that companies would prefer a free, reliable, easier-to-remotely-admininster o/s like Linux *if* it ran Microsoft Office. Combine this with WINE, and I see trouble for the model that Microsoft depends on for its revenue. Solution? Stop wasting time and money on Win2000/NT 5 and go ahead and finish WINE. According to my reading of the WINE license, they can fork the project and close-source the remainder of WINE. This is a classic embrace & extend manuever, and has three benefits for MS. First, it allows them to continue to sell at least a chunk of the O/S (i.e. DirectX 6/7, other API implementations); second, it saves them the enourmous R&D costs of developing a real O/S (i.e. Linux, FreeBSD, or Solaris) and immediately gains them all the benefits thereof; third, it maintains the APIs that Office depends on in the face of the Linux threat, and hence protects their hegemony. It's the same calculation they made porting Office to Macintosh, but even easier: Linux has a larger installed base (and/or more publicitly), and you get the added bonuses of selling something in addition to Office *and* "subverting" a competitor.
-_Quinn
Slackware 4.0: because the penguin is never sleeping.
Re:Pronunciation [OffTopic] (Score:1)
bEcoz itz reel kewl d00d. :-)
Seriously, it's an abbreviation. Stands for "Gesellschaft für Software- und Systementwicklung mbH", which means "Company for Software and Systems Developemt, Inc." or something like that.
cya
Ye Olde Webdesigner [surf.to]
Re:Why SuSe's Linux version... (Score:3)
Regarding OpenBSD -- very nice. Very clean. Very "transparent", meaning that even the install is just a shell script that can be interrupted and examined if you want to see what's going on or do things by hand. Unfortunately, there's not a lot of software for it pre-packaged or in 'ports', and driver support is not great. After fiddling around trying to get apsfilter to run so that I could get decent printouts, I caved and installed FreeBSD.
FreeBSD looks good so far, but it appears they have "Linux Symdrome" -- i.e., putting "user-friendly" front-ends on the install and config tool that are not "transparent" in nature (everything is acting on a text file, but you have to do some digging around to figure out WHICH text file -- shades of Red Hat's 'printtool'!). Still, it has a ton of 'ports', lots of 'packages', and drivers for all of my hardware (though I had to swap out the ES1371-based sound card I had in my machine for an old AWE-64 Value that was in my Windows box). My only real problem is getting a real office suite working on it. So far I've had no luck getting Applix to work (even though I used 'brandelf' to brand all its binaries as Linux). Next I'll try WordPerfect, which will at least import all of my old Applix documents, but I use Applix Graphics to develop the headers on my web pages and stuff (very easy, lots of clip-art, point'n'click), and that'd be hard to replace.
-E
Re:non-free software in SuSE (Score:1)
Can you resell it?
Actually, you can't. The license of Yast, a core component of SuSE has this clause:
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Re:Can you download it? (Score:1)
There are a number of ways to install. Here's what I do:
- In the disks directory, download eide01 and dd it or rawrite it to a floppy
- Insert disk and reboot
- Select my net card (load modules)
- start the FTP installation (I use IP 195.176.255.9, directory
- Install only the basic setup (select 'load configuration' and pick the last one)
- Start install
- When it's done I can reboot and use it while Yast downloads everything else I want to install (the distribution is 5 CDs)
Of course, I'd only recommend this one if you have cable, xDSL, etc.
You can also do it from an existing DOS partition (which I don't usually have) by downloading certain directories and disksets (ala Slack). The SuSE manual describes this in detail, you'll find the
Of course you can get the distribution (I'm thinking of buying the official one because I've been using it for a while, I'm quite impressed, and it comes with a ~500 page manual, IIRC. It was also originally based on Slack (which I haven't completely dumped)).
The coolest thing, IMO is the update. I had a SuSE 6.0 server and wanted to upgrade it to 6.1. Insert either 6.0 or 6.1 eide01 disk, select 'Update system' and it updates everything you have on your system that has changed from FTP, reboot, done.
I also like their support DB, component DB, massive amount of documentation, and the instant PHP/MySQL functionality (if you wish).
Have fun!
Re:Can you download it? (Score:1)
Re:Better than .*? (Score:2)
* glibc 2.0
* enlightenment DR0.14
* Non-standard rpm names - not only cause problems finding the RPMs I wanted, but also in fulfilling dependancies, so when there were other packages I wanted to install I couldn't.
The thing is, Linux software moves on very quickly, and I have yet to find SuSE specific RPMs for most things that I use (GNOME, Enlightenment, Window Maker apps, etc.). Yes, I therefore turn to the source RPMS, but then they may be set up with RedHat directory structures in mind (which IMHO is also incorrect; they should be distro independant) and not work properly anyways. If I can't flexibly install new software on the system, then the system doesn't work for me.
So, after 3 weeks of frustration, I net installed RedHat 6.0, and have been happy ever since. Great install, great apps (ALL up to date) and after about 4 hours of setup (vs. 3 weeks and still never solving any of the issues) I have networking, ppp, printing and X all set up PERFECTLY out-of-the-box (or net, for that matter). AND, it didn't cost me a thin dime.
SO, please don't flame me, but I have to say that RH is still my favorite.
Re:Can you download it? (Score:1)
this is also a FreeBSD mirror
you can resell SuSE (Score:1)
Linux FSSTD (Score:1)
why announcement (Score:1)
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Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/ [tu-chemnitz.de]
Susie, the chameleon! (Score:1)
1) chameleons have big tongues
2) chameleons can't get their feathers ruffled
3) chameleons are masters of energy conservation, and, just like programmers, most people think they are lazy
4) chameleons are better engineered to adapt to surroundings
5) Quincy! (www.foxtrot.com - Jason's pet)
x) penguins are for bird-brains
Re:SuSE larger than RedHat (Score:1)
Re:Debian install complexity (Score:1)
Read a little more closely. I said that Debian is harder to maintain.
Maybe the newest version is better but up to now it has been hard to install for many of us.
potato (the "new version," still in unstable development) is no harder to install than slink (Debian 2.1, what you get if you grab a Debian CD). I was griping about the problems with the current development version.
Grab a copy of slink, and you'll find it's not much more difficult to install than, say, Red Hat. The fact that the installation procedure drops you into dselect is a little intimidating for the first-time user, but is really no more difficult than the package-selector during Red Hat's installtion. (In fact, I find it easier: the Red Hat selector has a very tedious, though colorful, interface that makes it difficult to trim away crud from the default installation.)
It's a true statement that Debian's installation procedure is "less pretty" than Red Hat's, and that it takes about twice as long because of package silliness, but it's not more difficult.
Personally, I rather like the BeOS installer: there are almost no options and basically one button to push. It's convenient if not powerful at all.
And I think we can all agree that any of the above are easier than an NT install!
Standard Pronunciation via the IPA (Score:2)
Using that system, the pronunciation I'm most familiar with as spoken by anglophones would be /'su z@/, although folks from Germany of course say something that seems more to the English ear to be /'zu z@/ or even /'zu zE/ instead.
Re:Nitpick (Score:1)
By many accounts, it's dead. It certainly isn't breathing, although the heart may beat on.
I remember a friend's 500 with surround sound, 3D and so on...
I still have my A500 in service. Mostly I play games with it, as after 10 years I finally have a PC with equivalent capabilities. =)
I'd probably even use it more often if the Enter key weren't so busted -- something's wrong with the keyboard membrane connector just above the arrows and I have to whack on it a few times before some of the keys work. It's getting increasingly difficult to find a working mouse or joystick, too.
And maybe at some point I'll get PLIP working to the gateway router...
Just goes to show that you should never trust Commodore with anything.
Amen.
Re: (Score:1)