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Linux Powered "WebTV" 47

BonesBro writes "Netgem is releasing a new set-top internet appliance (remember WebTV?) with a twist...this baby runs on Linux. Among other things, it claims to support 640x480 resolution with no onscreen deformation. Shipdate is give as Q4, but no price was listed. Check out the press release. "
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  • No... what you read was an opinion peice on a macOpinion (linked here) about the possibility in an attempt to kill windows (and about the adverse effect this could have on the mac... ect ect)

    its a pretty good article and it is available here

    http://www.macopinion.com/fi.cgi?url=/columns/ut opia/
  • Sorry to bust your bubble, but I've been looking for these, and I haven't found a single decent one for under USD$4k.

    If you, or anyone else, knows where I can find one for under USD$1000, email me immediately, you will be rewarded well... :P

    Posted by the Proteus

  • Ah, now before you flame, let me explain...

    There is a decent market of people (the same group that might buy an iWhack) who would be interested in a TV-top web box. Especially if it is very inexpensive. Since this one runs Linux (or is it GNU/Linux? [sorry, couldn't resist]), cheap is a good bet.

    My point? The Linux/OpenSource/FreeSoftware community should, at the very least, send praise the way of this company - this is one good route to getting The Penguin into the hands of the average home user. So, if this markets well, it could set a precedent - not only for more Linux-embedded products, but also for Linux in the hands of the general populace.

    If I were MS, or some other large computer corp, I'd be watching this box carefully. Let's show 'em that something non-"standard" can fly...

    Posted by the Proteus

  • Maybe I'm wrong, but I guess, since they're European, they may be talking about a PAL encoder.
  • Ok, it all looks good to me at first glance, but are they just using a (modified?) Linux kernel, or aligning themselves with a distribution?
  • All but one of the original people at diba have split from Sun. The guy running the Diba division
    is a real idiot. The old building was great. I hear it is on the market.
  • E-mail me privatly an I will give you the names
    you want. Yea the Friday drinking parties were great, Jose rules.
  • At diba we did all our original developlement on
    linux, writing the video and IR drivers on linux, then porting them to the settop when the boards were done. The devices shipped with pSos.
    1. The site seems suspiciously dead to me (front page last updated on Jan 18, press releases are nil in french)
    2. Clear references to Linux are actually hard to find
    3. I'd miss (i.e. won't buy because of the lack of) some kind of Ethernet or ADSL or whatever-non-modem connectivity
    4. The site is Powered By IIS
    5. It's my birthday and no one called me and I'm angry, i.e. your mileage may vary
  • Ooops. They DO have an Ethernet version planned.

    Oh well, at least My Yahoo remembered it was my birthday.
  • Well Linux is free, and it has a bunch of media hype behind it right now. How many of these units do you think they'll sell just because of "linux". The fact that they won't have to pay any royalties will make that deal even sweeter for them. Also, w/ the source to the kernel they can easily remove a lot of the stuff that they don't have any use for.
  • Senior Taco: Although the Slashdotters may scoff at producst like WebTV, they now have 700,000 members signed up! Like it or not, they are a major force in the ISP world. They've gone from 0 to 700k, and have surpassed many other major national ISPs. Check the last couple of issues of Industry Standard for the story.

    However, I'd still love to see a linux-based consumer net-appliance kick some butt. I'd gladly recommend that product to my parents.

    -jason
  • Didn't I read somewhere that AOL/Netscape was thinking of using Linux for a similar project?

  • by sapo ( 28434 )
    If this machine had an IR remote... I'd be really impressed. If not, a friend of mine was using a wireless Wombat keyboard/pointer combo and it worked great with linux. Anybody know what's going to be bundled with this system?
  • I heard that the entire AOL service actually runs on Linux Servers, but the client only runs on Mac/Windows.
  • For the same reason Corel decided not to use QNX on its netwinder PC's. Linux was better, and it got them in the news. (free publicity!)
  • Why would they use a distribution? It seems weird that they use the Linux kernel at all. It must be kinda bloated for a task like this. Why don't they use QNX or a similar kernel?
  • Actually, it looks like there's French involved so it could also be SECAM. :o)
    Hopefully they will use a multi-standard encoder, thus NTSC/PAL and maybe SECAM.
    Anyways, I would like to know which one, to see if their clame's are rite.

    Breace.
  • Ugh... And I'm from Europe... I should know...

    Breace.
  • Anybody an idea what NTSC encoder gives a 640 x 480 resolution (without deformation)?
    They have been trying for years but I've never seen anything decent.

    Breace.
  • "have you ever heard of [WebTV] Crashing? I haven't."

    WebTV settop boxes don't crash, they "fail".
    They either don't connect to the WebTV Server
    or they just don't work, period. My impression
    is that a certain percentage of WebTV settop
    boxes develop problems within a few months.
    The WebTV Plus (Second Generation) boxes have
    been particularly problematic with their WebTV
    controlled hard drives (yes these can "crash").
    The WebTV boxes do not have an operating system
    in the PC sense. The first generation WebTV box
    MUST be connected to the WebTV Server to do
    anything. I'm not sure about the Plus Units since
    they are equiped with TV Tuners that appear to be
    able to work without the unit being connected to
    the server. But the plus, too must be connected to
    the WebTV Server in order to access the
    internet.

    There was some speculation that a Third Generation
    WebTV box would have Windows CE, but no third
    generation box has been introduced yet. It has
    been over a year and a half since the WebTV Plus
    was introduced which came out only a year after
    the original WebTV settop box was first rolled
    out. My own opinion is that Microsoft introduced
    the WebTV Plus in order to counter the
    introduction of the RCA Netchannel Box in late
    1997 which died a merciful early death in 1998.
    Since no serious competition has arisen since,
    Microsoft has not upgraded the service.
    Many of the promised updates to WebTV made
    prior to Microsoft have yet to be
    realized. Personal Java was promised in 1997
    but later dropped. Real Audio was not updated
    after 3.0. The WebTV service is essentially
    unchanged since late 1997. A few video related
    features have been added to the Plus box in 1998
    like sending a video still through Email as well
    as TV related features but enhancements to
    WebTV's internet access have not been made since
    1997.

    The WebTV SYSTEM has crashed on at least two
    occasions. In December, 1997, in what has been
    referred to as the "Christmas crash" and again in
    late June and/or early July 1998. More people
    were attempting to sign up and get connected for
    the first time than the registration server could
    handle and caused the entire system to crash on
    both occasions.


    Oh yes, the WebTV servers run on Solaris according
    to the best information I can get. Microsoft
    evidently did want WebTV to switch to NT, but
    it appears that has not happened yet. Sort of
    like the situation with Hotmail.



  • Subscriber Numbers for WebTV are VERY suspect.
    In early 1997, WebTV's claimed subcriber group
    was MUCH higher than was indicated in their
    filings with the Securities and Exchange
    Commission when Microsoft bought them out.

    Is this 700,000 settop boxes sold or an actual
    700,000 settop boxes connected and set up?
    There is a difference.
  • They're not talking about whether the display on screen is distorted or not compared to a regular computer monitor, but instead that the device supports a resolution that uses square pixels instead of rectangular pixels (which would cause a webpage to be displayed in a weird manner). It seems that many set-top boxes sold in Europa use rectangular-pixel display modes.

    ^D
  • I guess this means that you can hack away on your Linux box while sitting in fromt of the TV. Anyone have any specs on the computer used? It might make a really good, cheap linux box.

    Imagine having your home firewall connected to your TV. :)

    I would love to have a wireless keyboard/mouse with my computer. In fact, I wouldn't mind coupling those with a high-quality projector (computer quality, not TV quality) and working on my wall.

    How much is a good 1024x768 or higher projector? What about quality?

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