
Debian 2.1 'Slink' Release Postponed 111
Anonymous Coward writes "Slink's release has been delayed one week due to a problem with dpkg. Dpkg can fail when the locale is set to a non-default setting. Here's the news release. " Those nice guys over at Debian are actually right next to us in Boothland. Anyway, they're saying that they just want to be sure about upgrading, and working with folks with laptops. Alright, all of you who keep e-mailing me-I know this was annouced before. But I figured we'd do something for the Debian guys, and assure everyone it's not a big deal, and the reasons.
Why should I use Debian... (Score:1)
Finnaly (Score:1)
to "market" full of bugs...
Kick ass (Score:1)
Natas
I think my next distro to try out will be Debian (Score:1)
Is Debian's packager better in these respect?
Why should I use Debian... (Score:1)
got too pissed at rpm & redhat's wierd way of installing things.
(where's xdm?)
i know they have thier reasons, but it's just a matter of taste, really.
I think my next distro to try out will be Debian (Score:1)
Daniel
no sh$# sherlock (Score:1)
I think my next distro to try out will be Debian (Score:1)
I hope so, because that's the primary reason I'm trying it out. The fact that it's easy to separate free from non-free software also appeals.
I'm also encouraged to see this release put back: remember Red Hat 5.1? I certainly remember the bloody thing.
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Why should I use Debian... (Score:1)
I think my next distro to try out will be Debian (Score:1)
dpkg is to rpm as a rolls royce is to a ford pinto.
I have used both, and dpkg's are much more configurable. they rarely (if ever)need to be forced, and WILL NOT conflict with installed packages. The package install will also tell you what other packages you need to install.
deb's rule.
rpm's rot.
Install then be owned (Score:1)
Read www.insecure.org and make some quick statistics. See why Slackware is still the number 1 active installaction and Debian is no 2.
I think my next distro to try out will be Debian (Score:1)
Sorta. It does automatically install depended-on packages, so you don't have to worry about finding all of the libraries for a particular program. Relatedly, it uninstalls apps when libraries they depend on are uninstalled. So you won't end up with broken apps.
They haven't (yet) solved the problem of programs and libraries that were installed from source (i.e., not using dpkg). So it may not recognize libraries that you compiled yourself. The dpkg people hint that they're working on this.
On the other hand, because of the open development, I have yet to find a library that wasn't packaged already. So, at least in my experience, the problem isn't that bad.
Install then be owned (Score:1)
If one is to run a system that is current WRT securty, RedHat and Debian are the best bets.
Wrong point. Not updates - Releases!!! (Score:1)
Not Just R00tH4t. You forgot Windows... (Score:1)
Why should I use RedHat.... (Score:1)
Seriously though, it's a preference. I happen to like Killian's....maybe you like Guiness. Taste. Preference. Room for all.
Debian: same problems (Score:1)
Multiple distributions bad for newbies. (Score:1)
Go ahead and give Debian a try...it has some good tools for setting up masquerading. (I installed the appropriate packages and everything was configured right for my multi-subnetted network!) Debian support is easy to find via IRC as well!
Bring on the slink. (Score:1)
Why should I use Debian... (Score:1)
http://www.debian.org/~jules/e-cvs/debs [debian.org]
Daniel
Congratulations (Score:1)
Daniel
Just use RPM and quit this STUPIDITY! get a clue (Score:1)
See this package format comparison [kitenet.net]
So what good are the HOW-TOs? (Score:1)
As for forcing the distrubtion guys to do stuff, there is the Filesystem standard and what not. OTOH, part of the point is freedom. Each group tweaks its own system like it wants to, for whatever reason it wants to. That's part of the freedom everyone talks about; freedom to innovate, freedom to design and freedom to change.
Debian should help Red Hat's efforts (Score:1)
And debian is built on volunteers, just like the kernel is. If you actually had a clue you would know this.
Multiple distributions bad for newbies. (Score:1)
you should care about your freedom.
Debian should help Red Hat's efforts (Score:1)
Debian should help Red Hat's efforts (Score:1)
Redhat's pkg management is adequate, yes. But Debian's is superb. How do you update your system? Do you watch redhat's site? Or freshmeat? Debian users don't have to do either of these. 'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade' and a few moments later, your system is refreshed. One of debian's major points is in-field upgradability, which redhat doesn't offer. Yes, you can upgrade rpms, but you have to fetch all the rpms yourself.
Can you become part of redhat? You can become part of Debian. Debian has hundreds of developers, scattered around the world, all with varying degrees of responsibility and skills. Yet, we all consider each other as equals. From the youngest, a 14 year old, to the oldest, in his 60's. We have people on every continet, yet, we still manage to put together the most kick ass distribution, with hardly any disagreements.
You have no idea how redhat does things, because they are a closed system. Debian has been open since the start, and our Debian Free Software Guidelines was one of the major things to convince Netscape to try moving toward Free Software.
Other people/companies go with redhat, because they are always used to following the biggest rat in a pack. They don't know any better. A rat is still a rat.
So, join Debian, where you can give back to the community.
well maybe not (Score:1)
but you obciously havent used debian before have you?
contrary to what you may believe, redhat is not the end-all be-all of linux, if it is then we are in serious trouble
I think my next distro to try out will be Debian (Score:1)
# dpkg --force-i-have-backups-and-know-what-im-doing --install libreadlineg2-*.deb
HTH!
Red Hat == Linux, Debian == EGO (Score:1)
Personally you sound like a cluebie who is new to Linux knows very little and believes that because you use one distro everyone should. So I suggest that until you know what you are talking about you don't post.
Red Hat == Wannabe, Debian == Quality (Score:1)
At least debian doesn't release buggy products like some others i know of. *cough*redhat*cough*
Corel used Red Hat FIRST (Score:1)
Poor you...=( (Score:1)
You are crazy (Score:1)
Thanks Hemos! (Score:1)
Install it, I dare you... (Score:1)
Alright distro wars! (Score:1)
Debian should help Red Hat's efforts (Score:1)
Priority: extra
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 89
Maintainer: Joey Hess
Personal friend of mine from highschool. I remember when he wrote this thing. He had to ask me about slackware packages...
Debian should help Red Hat's efforts (Score:1)
What about the profits? (Score:1)
Congrats! You just took the grand prize for "most dorky comment from an AC"!
Well done.
Linux needs *1* distribution (Score:1)
Redhat is for cloobies like yourself so i can see why you like it. But within a few more months you will come crawling to debian once you realize its superiority.
So what good are the HOW-TOs? (Score:1)
I hope this helps. Each distribution attempts to simplify installation and maintenance of the system in it's own way. Redhat goes for the graphical approach. Slackware goes for a barebones type of approach. Debian tends to be halfway between these two extremes. So, before looking at the differences, take a look at what is similar between the distributions. Yes, there are always people who argue about which is better, but the vast majority choose the distribution they prefer for their own reasons, and while they may not like another distribution, they will USUALLY not care what other people use(until that person who went with Redhat starts asking their Debian or Slackware using friends for help).
My own bias is toward Debian, since there is generally a larger online user base who is available for help than the other distributions, and there is more a feeling of wanting to help other Linux users than the commercial distribution users.
rpm created for political reasons? (Score:1)
Did you read Bob Young's essay just recently posted here? Redhat wants brand loyalty, and you certainly can't have that using someone elses package manager. Makes you wonder...
I really mean hardware detection... (Score:1)
Alright distro wars! (Score:1)
I did the same for PINE (then I packaged it... http://ompages.com/debian/pkgs/pine/pine.html). No, I'm not committed to debian because of some irrational exhuberance for any old distro. I spend a long time evaluating and deciding what was better. Debian is definitely and unequivocably(sp?), the best. Try debian, try it right. If you have any troubled go to irc.us.debian.org #debian and debian-user-request@lists.debian.org and get help fast (like real time support folks). Don't be afraid, you can do it.
Stallman uses debian. (Score:1)
Congratulations (Score:1)
r00th4t is r00th4t. A system to be possessed by every idiot passing by...
Outdated? (Score:1)
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I think my next distro to try out will be Debian (Score:1)
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rpm created for political reasons? (Score:1)
Well.. Duh! (Score:1)
because nothing works at all. Linux 2.2 postponed
because it wasn't solid enough on every machine. (Still isn't 100% solid, but better then most everything else out there.) Debian postpones for a pretty minor dpkg issue. I'd say it is definatly good form. (And it is only being sliped a few days...)
I'm glad debian doesn't get as much press as redhat and some of the others. Keeps it cleaner of that media/commercial influence.
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Quality!! dpkg DOES NOT WORK :-D (Score:1)
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Debian should help Red Hat's efforts (Score:1)
Regardless of who is better then who though, it is important that we not get the frame of mind that "This distribution is the most used, so it must be the best, and all other distributions should go away and support it." Choice is the very thing that makes linux so powerful. When we give of that choice, we are destined only to become another microsoft.
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One word: Po Ta To... (Score:1)
3 Months? Just a drop in the bucket (Score:1)
I have used both RedHat and debian for about 6 months each. I probably will not change from debian. However, I still have a tendency to recommend RedHat to people that are just getting started with linux. When the xwindows configuration and initial installation overall is nicer, I will likely stop recommending RedHat altogether.
RedHat is *NOT* linux. RedHat is a distribution. RedHat has done a lot of good for the community, however, commercial motivation is overall a bad thing. Debian can delay shipping without worrying about stockholders or investors getting upset. Delaying shipment because of bugs is a *GOOD* thing.
You don't see multiple distributions of windows 98. You also don't see one good one. Linux has multiple *good* distibutions and one excelent one: Debian
Choice makes linux what it is.
FYI: I don't think RMS would be interested in taking over RedHat. Remember, Stallman is for OpenSource and Free Software. RedHat ships commercial stuff (be it only demoware). Stallman wouldn't allow that.
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Linux needs *1* distribution (Score:1)
Slink hasn't been *that* stable (Score:1)
Maybe it's the particular days I upgraded slink, but this became once or twice a month, and I had to downgrade back to hamm.
Don't get me wrong; debian is wonderful, and as of a year or so ago, easier to install than RH. But slink hasn't been nearly as reliable as preceding unstable variants.
And my bloodpressure's been better since I discovered I could edit
hawk, who will put FreeBSD utilities on his once he gets a few hours to spare.
RedHat as evil and capitalist as Micro$oft. (Score:1)
They have a lot of money.
They buy programmers. They buy you.
They seek power. They seek control.
They charge you for what is not theirs.
They sell softwares that are free.
They lie. They steal. They cheat.
They stab in the back.
And RedHat is worst. They fool you programmer. They make profit from the free software you make - and they do not pay you.
They enslave programmers.
So, next time, think better before spending your money on this dirty company. Think well. Remember that you do not want another company to monopolize software - this time FREE software.
Support Debian.
Alright distro wars! (Score:1)