System76 Announces Redesigned 'Pangolin' AMD/Linux Laptop (9to5linux.com) 42
System76 is announcing a "fully redesigned" version of its AMD-only Linux-powered "Pangolin" laptop with an upgraded memory, storage, processor, and display.
9to5Linux reports: It features the AMD Ryzen 7 6800U processor with up to 4.7 GHz clock speeds, 8 cores, 16 threads, and AMD Radeon 680M integrated graphics.... a 15.6-inch 144Hz Full HD (1920 x 1080) display [using 12 integrated Radeon graphics cores] with a matte finish, a sleek magnesium alloy chassis, and promises up to 10 hours of battery life with its 70 Wh Li-Ion battery. It also features a single-color backlit US QWERTY Keyboard and a multitouch clickpad. Under the hood, the Linux-powered laptop boasts 32 GB LPDDR5 6400 MHz of RAM and it can be equipped with up to 16TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD storage. Another cool feature is the hardware camera kill switch for extra privacy....
As with all of System76's Linux-powered laptops, the all-new Pangolin comes pre-installed with System76's in-house built Pop!_OS Linux distribution featuring the GNOME-based COSMIC desktop and full disk-encryption or with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS.
9to5Linux reports: It features the AMD Ryzen 7 6800U processor with up to 4.7 GHz clock speeds, 8 cores, 16 threads, and AMD Radeon 680M integrated graphics.... a 15.6-inch 144Hz Full HD (1920 x 1080) display [using 12 integrated Radeon graphics cores] with a matte finish, a sleek magnesium alloy chassis, and promises up to 10 hours of battery life with its 70 Wh Li-Ion battery. It also features a single-color backlit US QWERTY Keyboard and a multitouch clickpad. Under the hood, the Linux-powered laptop boasts 32 GB LPDDR5 6400 MHz of RAM and it can be equipped with up to 16TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD storage. Another cool feature is the hardware camera kill switch for extra privacy....
As with all of System76's Linux-powered laptops, the all-new Pangolin comes pre-installed with System76's in-house built Pop!_OS Linux distribution featuring the GNOME-based COSMIC desktop and full disk-encryption or with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS.
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I know you cheap contrary fucks will find something to complain about here.
What's battery replacement like? Is it screwed or glued?
Re: Well come on (Score:3)
If it's anything like their old ones, it's a slider release. No glue. No screws.
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OK, where is the release [prismic.io]? TFS says it was "fully redesigned", so there was no reason to assume any part of the laptop would be the same as the outgoing model.
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If it's anything like their old ones, it's a slider release. No glue. No screws.
Better be; since you'll have to be carrying 2 or 3 spares to make it through the day.
Re:Well come on (Score:4, Informative)
If only there were a way to find out, at least for the current version: https://tech-docs.system76.com... [system76.com]. I wouldn't expect the new laptop to be different in this regard.
Linux laptop battery life is not very good (it's not great on Windows either). 10 hours is pretty dismal compared to 20 hours on the M1 and M2.
Re:Well come on (Score:4, Insightful)
10 hours is pretty dismal compared to 20 hours on the M1 and M2.
It's certainly a lot less, but more than a full day's work time? That's hardly dismal. When you consider that it has a lot more sustained oomph than an M1, it's absolutely not dismal. It's called a tradeoff and it's one most people would make. The same people who think that 10 hours of battery is not enough are the people who think 300 miles of EV range is not enough.
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10 hours is pretty dismal compared to 20 hours on the M1 and M2.
It's certainly a lot less, but more than a full day's work time? That's hardly dismal. When you consider that it has a lot more sustained oomph than an M1, it's absolutely not dismal. It's called a tradeoff and it's one most people would make. The same people who think that 10 hours of battery is not enough are the people who think 300 miles of EV range is not enough.
10 hours might be ok; but it is likely to be closer to 6 or 8 hours when doing anything actually useful.
So, the M1 and M2's "doing anything useful" rating of 12-14 hours, plus the ability to have identical performance whether on battery or AC still puts it far out ahead of this POS.
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the M1 and M2's "doing anything useful" rating of 12-14 hours, plus the ability to have identical performance whether on battery or AC still puts it far out ahead of this POS.
If the only thing that matters to you is untethered operation, sure.
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the M1 and M2's "doing anything useful" rating of 12-14 hours, plus the ability to have identical performance whether on battery or AC still puts it far out ahead of this POS.
If the only thing that matters to you is untethered operation, sure.
Wow! That's really the best "comeback" you've got, eh?
If it's Wall-Plug-Bound Computing you want, there sure are plenty of better Luggables you could choose from! This POS has a Shitty, dim display with abysmal 1080p resolution; cramped 32 GB max soldered RAM; no Thunderbolt; no "precious" nVidia GPU, and likely an absolutely unusable "Clickpad".
Or, you could just stay home in your Mom's basement, with your silly desktop with the LED case lights and fans that sound like a vacuum cleaner!
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Wow! That's really the best "comeback" you've got, eh?
Comeback? You can't call it a comeback when I was never gone.
If it's Wall-Plug-Bound Computing you want, there sure are plenty of better Luggables you could choose from!
Since I am not a noob, like you seem to think, I know what a Luggable is. I used to own a Kaypro 4. This is not that. Run along now, kid.
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Wow! That's really the best "comeback" you've got, eh?
Comeback? You can't call it a comeback when I was never gone.
If it's Wall-Plug-Bound Computing you want, there sure are plenty of better Luggables you could choose from!
Since I am not a noob, like you seem to think, I know what a Luggable is. I used to own a Kaypro 4. This is not that. Run along now, kid.
I know what a Luggable is, too.
These days, any laptop that can't make it through a workday doing at least moderate real work (not browsing, emailing, watching videos) is a "luggable".
BTW, I notice you didn't push back on the crappy specs; but rather, just tried to deflect.
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BTW, I notice you didn't push back on the crappy specs
I did that at the top of this thread. When you learn to read, you can see that comment to find out what I have to say about the specs.
Different people different stroke (Score:2)
These days, any laptop that can't make it through a workday doing at least moderate real work (not browsing, emailing, watching videos) is a "luggable".
I work remotely on a giant university HPC cluster (one of Europe major one), you insensitive clod. Browsing/E-mailing/Watching videos actually consume more power locally in my laptop than my usual work (SSH connection, locally only running an editor with a good SFTP plugin like Kate. The lake-boiling stuff happens at the opposite side of the country)
BTW, I notice you didn't push back on the crappy specs; but rather, just tried to deflect.
Okay, let's look at the specs and your complaints of them being "crappy"...
This POS has a Shitty,
Could you please be so kind to "adult" long enough to successfully make a sentence t
Re:Well come on (Score:4, Informative)
You will immediately have minimum 10% more battery life. I think it was closer to 20% for me.
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Found the opposite to be true here. Testing low power modes for embedded systems, we tested Devuan and it was worse than Debian. Power management seems to be a lot more aggressive on systemd and Pi hardware, at least.
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>"10 hours is pretty dismal compared to 20 hours on the M1 and M2."
And when we can have Linux on a non-Apple M1/M2 system, let me know, then maybe it would be an option. Otherwise, don't care :)
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It looks okay, but there is one deal breaker and one disappointment.
Deal breaker - no USB 4/Thunderbolt. Severely limits expansion and desktop replacement capabilities.
Disappointment - max 32GB RAM, soldered in. I can live with soldered RAM, but 64GB would be a nice option.
There are things to like about it, like dual NVMe slots, and generally good reparability. You can get those in a Thinkpad though, plus a USB 4/Thunderbolt port, and RAM sockets.
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>"absolutely crappy seriously obsolete 1920x1080 screen."
Most people won't notice or care that much. Fits nicely with video presentation, at least. Personally, my preference is 1920x1200 but don't want it more square than that. Also don't need more resolution, especially on a small screen- just wastes power.
Specs look good to me, except for lack of USB4. Not fond of soldered RAM, but that is the norm now due to performance limits of SODIMM.
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Yeah, that is why I think 1920x1200 is much better than 1920x1080. Of course, that is only about 11% more vertical space. But it does help. But only if the screen is PHYSICALLY 11% taller, as well.
Otherwise, just make the text smaller. My eyes won't do well with that, though.
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Want. (Score:2)
No CUDA, no go. (Score:5, Interesting)
Without an nvidia card, you cant really do anything serious with AI on it.
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Is OpenCL and Vulkan really not enough? The RX 680M is stupidly good for integrated graphics—it outperforms the MX450 you typically see dropped into laptops solely to be able to advertise CUDA support, and probably uses less power as well.
I don't do much AI work other than playing with things like waifu2x on occasion, but it's worth considering whether you can forego CUDA to have functional Linux drivers. While there's still a few kinks to be ironed out (I have a laptop with a 6800H) there's very func
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There are a few AI toys you can play with fine on AMD, many of them don't work there or don't work well, so it could be a dealbreaker if that's what you want to do. Otherwise I feel like I'd rather have the AMD GPU for a laptop. On my desktop it's nvidia no question, because I am playing with the AI art stuff.
Re:No CUDA, no go (Score:2)
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yes
I have the system76 oryx pro which I bought for that reason and it is possible to use the nvidia board for proof of concept but it doesn't have a lot of oomph.
Increasingly just using a good quality laptop with good screen and performance to vpn into a big box.
I bought the system76 desktop and laptop because it was the first system vendor that realised there was real benefit in making ML easy to set up and maintain. I don't want to spend all my time faffing around looking for the compatible drivers and CU
Could we stop? (Score:5, Interesting)
Could we stop acting like full hd is enough to work these days? With all the new-fangled web UIs I find myself scrolling all the time. And when it's coded like crap, you CAN'T.
Working with vSphere on FullHD in 15 inches is very meh. On13 inches it's a fecking pain.
So where are the productivity laptops with a more square screen, huh?
I can't be the only onw getting too old for this shit...
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> 1920x1080
My laptop is an i7 from 2014 and it has double this number of pixels on an IPS matte panel. I think it was a $1400 unit at the time.
Who does System76 think are its potential buyers?
My only reason to upgrade would be power efficiency but not at half the pixels nine years later - jeeze.
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The form factor is the constraint, not the resolution. Packing more pixels into 15 inches won't help you, just make everything too small to see. Sounds like you've bought into a meaningless spec race.
I think Mary Poppins might have what you need, she's the only one who could cram 3 monitors into a laptop.
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Hey, at least 1080p is standard now. It wasn't all too long ago when laptops had a nasty 1366x768 screen and that was ava
Pangolin? Really? (Score:2, Funny)
They chose the name of an animal which is the most heavily trafficked in the world? 20 tons of Pangolin scales were seized in 2017 alone [africageographic.com].
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Not to mention it's the animal Randy and Mickey Mouse fucked that caused Covid to jump to humans.
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Precise Pangolin was also the code name for Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS. Were you similarly outraged back then?
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They chose the name of an animal which is the most heavily trafficked in the world? 20 tons of Pangolin scales were seized in 2017 alone [africageographic.com].
I consider that a good thing. If nothing else, the use of that name could very well raise awareness of this issue. I, for example, did not know this was a problem until I searched out the name to remind myself what the thing looked like.
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Yeah, I find this kind of thing really interesting.
If they just slightly waived a flag that showed they were in the same tribe as the poster, I'm sure they'd interpret it exactly the opposite way.
All of their laptops are named after African animals. All of their desktops have mountains and wood on them. I don't think their next keyboard is going to be capped in ivory and pangolin scales, you're yelling at your own team so you can be indignant on the internet because . . . a word happened?
Pangolin, unroll, start shufflin' (Score:2)
Pangolin for the win!