HP Dev One Laptop Running System76's Ubuntu Linux-based Pop!_OS Now Available (betanews.com) 54
An anonymous reader shares a report: Last month, the open source community was abuzz with excitement following a shocking announcement from System76 that HP was planning to release a laptop running the Pop!_OS operating system. This was significant for several reasons, but most importantly, it was a huge win for Linux users as yet another hardware option was becoming available. Best of all, HP employees have been trained by System76 to offer high-quality customer support. If you aren't aware, System76 support is legendary.
At the time of the announcement, details about the hardware were a bit scarce, but I am happy to report we now have full system specifications for the 14-inch HP Dev One laptop. Most interestingly, there is only one configuration to be had. The developer-focused computer is powered by an octa-core AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5850U APU which features integrated Radeon graphics. The notebook comes with 16GB RAM and 1TB of NVMe storage, both of which can be user-upgraded later if you choose. The laptop is priced at $1,099.
At the time of the announcement, details about the hardware were a bit scarce, but I am happy to report we now have full system specifications for the 14-inch HP Dev One laptop. Most interestingly, there is only one configuration to be had. The developer-focused computer is powered by an octa-core AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5850U APU which features integrated Radeon graphics. The notebook comes with 16GB RAM and 1TB of NVMe storage, both of which can be user-upgraded later if you choose. The laptop is priced at $1,099.
Good price, missed opportunity... (Score:1)
... shipping a laptop called the "Dev One" and not making the default install Devuan: tsk tsk.
Well come on (Score:1)
You contrary fucks, tell me the reasons you won't buy this.
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The spec is a bit mediocre for the price. For that much money I'd want a better screen, Thunderbolt, and better build quality than what HP offers. The CPU and RAM are decent but it's still an HP.
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So you inappropriately mod me down and then gloat about it in defense of... Microsoft? How does this prove your point, exactly?
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To me the more interesting question is why buy this over an actual System76 laptop like the Galago or Pangolin models which seem comparably specced and priced.
I imagine this would mainly be an option for enterprises who already have exclusive supply contracts with HP. Does HP offer anything else better than System76?
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To me the more interesting question is why buy this over an actual System76 laptop like the Galago or Pangolin models which seem comparably specced and priced.
Because they're not similarly specced and priced. The Galago is their cheapest laptop, specced with the same amount of ram and SSD, and costs $150 more. Further, the Galago would be with an Intel i5-1135G7 vs AMD 5850U.
Re:Well come on (Score:5, Informative)
You contrary fucks, tell me the reasons you won't buy this.
From TFA, no wired NIC, only WiFi 5 (802.11ac) so you'll have to use a USB (A or C) dongle for wired networking.
Seems like an oversight for a "Dev" system ...
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Re: Well come on (Score:3)
Would be a 10000Mb oversight for my LAN. No 10gig NICs come in USB form factor that I know of. There are Thunderbolt NICs. Not sure if that system supports it.
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There are Thunderbolt NICs. Not sure if that system supports it.
According to TFA, no Thunderbolt -- it's an AMD system.
The HP Dev One laptop has two USB-A ports and dual USB-C ports. Sadly, there is no Thunderbolt to be found, but TB should not be expected with an AMD-powered notebook. You also get a full-sized HDMI port and 3.5mm audio jack, but there is no SD card reader -- for that you will need a dongle (such as this). Wi-Fi is limited to 802.11ac (Wi-Fi 5) and not the newer Wi-Fi 6 or 6E.
Re: Well come on (Score:2)
Yeah. I use AMD onto desktop also, and the Thunderbolt situation is sad.
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Does anyone know whether this can be made up by connecting a USB-C dock, and if so, will the USB-C dock be able to power the laptop as well?
Because in that case, I can forgive a lot of shortcomings related to laptop ports. I've used a MacBook and for years, just plunked down the laptop and hooked it up with a single Thunderbolt 3 cable to a dock. The dock supplied power, network, display, printer, mouse, keyboard and even speakers.
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The only issue I can see is that it doesn't have TB, and USB-C only docks are a little limited in some of the video features offered due to lack of bandwidth. But that was my thought as well, I use a dock when I need to be fixed to a location with the laptop, it isn't like I carry it around wired. Also, wireless has become faster than 1Gbit, and 10Gbit is still pretty rare and poorly supported in laptop form factors.
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This is why Apple's physical Stores were so important for the Mac's comeback btw. Apple Stores put MacOS X back on the ma
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Cuz I got a S76 Lemur Pro a couple years ago and it still works great. How many laptops does a person need?
'POP OS' is a marketing tool (Score:2)
What happens if/when S76 decides they don't want to support POP OS anymore? Does it have an actual community that will keep it going, or are all of the devs S76 employees?
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Two S76 employees make up 95% of the commits. No thanks.
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Pop OS is a modified version of Ubuntu, they also sell their systems with Ubuntu preinstalled.
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No security advisories for POP OS, or apparently any security framework at all. No indication that there are any security-focused people involved with the project. They're adding new binaries and declaring them safe because they're written in rust.
This OS is just shit.
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What happens if/when S76 decides they don't want to support POP OS anymore?
Errr.. you install another distro?
Whatever you may think about HP (Score:3)
It's good to see another system with Linux already installed.
Have we reached peak Windows?
I dont know (Score:2)
There's a very similarly spec'd 16 inch laptop for the same price on their website, its got an intel chip (which though I prefer AMD in the mobile market it doesnt make much difference) and a 512 gig nvme drive with windows
If I were in the market for a 1099.99$ laptop I would probably go with the bigger screen and take the windows license, if for no other reason but for it would be easier to resell later on ... its really not hard to install linux of your choice
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If it were 10 years ago in the BIOS days, I'd agree wholeheartedly with you. Lately, though, with UEFI - not so much.
There's some newer Acer laptops out there that will maintain your battery's charge only, but won't let you charge on Linux (until the machine is powered off). It'll even charge while Linux is loading up, but once Linux is running steady state - charging is disabled. Also, your built in and/or discrete video card(s) is/are watt-limited (aka Max-Q v Max-P or whatever the equivalent AMD terms
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I have not dealt with linux on the bleeding edge since 2018, and 99% of my hardware problems comes from machines made in the late vista - early windows 7 era machines where a committee decides a 200kb realtek driver is obsolete... with 2 notes
1) not counting printer, some 5:4 screen resolutions, or sound support, that's a 20 year old shit show
2) wasn't an issue till everyone and their mother needed a remote PC 2 years ago
Given the options of a AMD APU or an Intel iris iGPU in the example above I seriously d
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Are all drivers avaialable for all variants of that system? Will you get actual support from POP_OS devs/HP for the hardware setup you're suggesting?
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why would I use POP OS when about a billion other better options exist
smells a little like shilling ... OMG what modern linux distro supports intel and realtek GASP
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why would I use POP OS when about a billion other better options exist
Because it has flatpak and you can't get that on Ubuntu...oh wait...um...because PopOS! developers support it and Ubuntu is closed source so they can't support that...err...hang on, I've got it: since hardware drivers don't live almost exclusively in the kernel you need to make a new Linux-based OS to offer support for you hardware, yes I think that must be the reason!
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I have no idea what your babbling about, and I when I do use linux ... its not ubuntu
I mean driver support? for fucking what? option A in the article is a bone stock AMD APU gear, my option B is a bog standard intel setup
Legendary? Or imaginary? (Score:2)
If you aren't aware, System76 support is legendary.
My problem isn't with System76 support. It's with other companies supporting Pop!OS. Valve won't. Aspyr won't. If I can't have application support then what good will system support do me? What's most irritating is that all that Pop! really has that Ubuntu doesn't is a different shitty system for lazy packagers (flatpak instead of snap) and a shitty dock for GNOME, plus a couple packages to improve power management. It would better be replaced with a PPA.
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am sticking with Ubuntu without the weird skin over it
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Valve won't. Aspyr won't
What? I can easily tell you that I've got a PopOS install here and Civ6 runs buttery smooth on it. Additionally, Aspyr was kind enough to indicate how to get a libc conflict fixed for Ubuntu distros, which PopOS still follows really fscking close to. For the most part, if they support Ubuntu, they support PopOS. It's just basically Ubuntu minus Snaps and a couple of nice things they added to GNOME.
One day their system76-power or their custom task scheduler might put them outside that support, but at the
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What? I can easily tell you that I've got a PopOS install here and Civ6 runs buttery smooth on it.
I can tell you that Civ6 ran great on my PopOS install (or at least, as well as it does on Windows on my potato) until one day it crashed and wouldn't restart evermore, instead choosing to segfault. I complained to Aspyr, sent in my diagnostic info, and they told me that they wouldn't support me on literally anything but vanilla Ubuntu (I think they may have said also Kubuntu and Lubuntu.)
Okay, I says to myself, I've seen a whole bunch of posts from people who gave up on the Linux version, and run the Windo
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It's just basically Ubuntu minus Snaps and a couple of nice things they added to GNOME.
But in true Linux tradition let's give in to the NIH syndrome and create a whole new Linux distribution! Nevermind that you can just sudo apt install flatpak on Ubuntu.
Nice to see supported Linux but misses mark (Score:1)
It is nice to see supported Linux notebooks but they need to revisit the platform in a big way. The AMD CPUs are great.
I won't be buying why?: USA only, cannot customize order, only 16GB of RAM fully populating slots, no wired NIC, Realtek Wifi etc.
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why that distro? (Score:2)
HP has had various models of laptop sold with Linux for 18 years.. so, you knew they'd run LInux.
Not seeing why I'd want pop! Linux support means finding the answer on the internet, valid strategy for decades.
Judging from the spec and comments (Score:2)
It appears to be too little, too late.
They could have made a big bold statement, which could imply that so-and-so was first at the gate but there should be serious competition in this space
but even a half-hearted attempt is welcome.
"Time for the big boys to check their rearview mirrors"
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Fairly Impressive (Score:2)
For $1100, this is a pretty impressive machine. My Dell work laptop, with an 8C/16T Intel CPU, 32GiB RAM, and 1TB nVME cost twice as much. The lack of a wired Ethernet NIC is disappointing, but most laptop makers are dropping the 8P8C connector in favor of USB->Ethernet adapters (and yes, they're awful).
The only unknowns I can see are the quality of the keyboard (for which HP has a very uneven history), and HP isn't saying what kind of LCD panel it is. 1000(!) nits seems impressive, but if it's a TN
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My $300 HP Ryzen 3 laptop (14-dk1022wm) has a GigE port even though it's one of these Apple-style super-slim designs, except shittier of course since it's an HP. It's got a hinged jaw that opens up to make the side of the case big enough to fit an RJ45. I've used it several times. Dongles suck.
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" but if it's a TN or VA panel"
I have a 2560x1440 VA (maybe MVA) 32" panel on my desktop. It's not significantly worse than any other display I've seen, and it's better than most. It suffers when sunlit with only some 300 nits, but the 4000:1 contrast is glorious, the colors seem accurate enough, and I don't see any purple fringing.
The display is about 3-4 years old.