Debian 11 'Bullseye' Released As Stable (debian.org) 40
"One of the oldest and most renowned distributions of Linux has been released!" âwrites Slashdot reader Washuu2.
Phoronix reports it took "just over two years in development."
Debian 11 brings many new features as outlined this morning with the big upgrade to Linux 5.10 LTS, exFAT file-system support, control groups v2, yescrypt for password hashing, and a plethora of updated packages. GNOME 3.38, KDE Plasma 5.20, and Xfce 4.16 are among the desktop options for Debian 11.
Debian.org adds: Do you want to celebrate the release? We provide some bullseye artwork that you can share or use as base for your own creations. Follow the conversation about bullseye in social media via the #ReleasingDebianBullseye and #Debian11Bullseye hashtags...
Around the world, there were even several in-person and online release parties — with a few more upcoming!
Debian.org adds: Do you want to celebrate the release? We provide some bullseye artwork that you can share or use as base for your own creations. Follow the conversation about bullseye in social media via the #ReleasingDebianBullseye and #Debian11Bullseye hashtags...
Around the world, there were even several in-person and online release parties — with a few more upcoming!
Great, smashing, super (Score:2, Funny)
You can't beat a bit of bully. Apparently Debian are giving away a caravan or a speedboat to the top contributors.
(non-UK contributors are unlikely to grok this post)
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Nothing [wikipedia.org] is obscure on the Internet.
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for non-UK people [fandom.com]
Bullseye was the long-running British game show of darts & trivia.
"Bully's Star Prize" ("bully" meaning "excellent") was usually a holiday, a car, a caravan (camping trailer) or a speedboat.
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Was about to post much the same. For anyone who is really interested, here's a full episode of "Bullseye". The "exciting bit" starts at 21:15:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Impressive numbers (Score:2)
So what does Mr Debian do with the income from all those CD sales?
Re:Impressive numbers (Score:4, Informative)
The Ian in Debian [wikipedia.org] is no longer involved with the project. The Deb in the name was a token of adoration to his then girlfriend and later wife Debra. They divorced in 2008. Teachable moment in naming things.
Re:Impressive numbers (Score:4, Insightful)
Still beats naming your company after your dick.
Re: Impressive numbers (Score:3)
It's small. It's limp. I shall embrace the shame and name it... "Microsoft".
Re:Impressive numbers (Score:4, Informative)
He passed away in 2015.
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> He passed away in 2015.
OK, that's a valid excuse.
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Re:Debian (Score:4)
You mean Red Hat. Or you're just trolling, and therefore posting as AC.
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No he means every distro. Systemd wasn't brought to us by any one. It was brought to us by all of them constantly looking for a way to modernise the init system. Some succeeded (Open RC), some nearly succeeded and then joined the fray (Upstart), and the rest just waited it out and then all adopted systemd.
The fact that Poettering was a Red Hat employees is quite inconsequential. Change was coming and given the children in open source (seriously who makes death threats over a piece of software?) it was going
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No. It was rammed down our throats in an explosion of the kind of authoritarianism commonly associated with Nazis.
"Brought" would imply it was offered on a voluntary basis, and would not be installed without our having to make a conscious choice, and with no penalty for refusing.
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And some moron thinks that's "insightful".
SystemD is quite a good system management system and an absolutely perfect exposer of insanity.
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"Brought" would imply it was offered on a voluntary basis
Did they remove your ability to chose a different distribution?
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It's a good idea.
That is what's in dispute. For some uses cases, it might be. In the general case, however, I don't think it is.
As a software engineer with 30+ years of experience, I've come to cherish a handful of what I consider to be universally applicable software architecture and design principles including loose coupling, tight cohesion, the single-responsibility principle, being liberal in what you accept but conservative in what you produce, the Don't Repeat Yourself principle, and countless
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That is what's in dispute. For some uses cases, it might be. In the general case, however, I don't think it is.
Nope. It wasn't in dispute. A public technical debate was held, and Debian's committee then took a vote on it, and systemd was ultimately adopted purely on technical merits. The fact you don't like it or if it doesn't suit your use *edge* case is completely and utterly irrelevant.
To put it as charitably as I know how, systemd does not follow these principles, and at times, seemingly, goes out of its way to violate them.
What you cherish is a belief, not a technical benefit. There are pros and cons to each approach, and systemd exists to leverage the pros. Nothing is more evident of the fact than you thinking systemd is some singular monolith when
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No. It was rammed down our throats in an explosion of the kind of authoritarianism commonly associated with Nazis.
Not at all. It was a decision made by a product owner for what they thought was best for *their* product. You can chose to not be a customer.
As for Debian, it wasn't authoritarianism. It was a public discussion based on technical merits concluded by a vote from a technical committee which handles all of Debian's major decisions, all public and open. If you think that make them Nazis I invite you to go fuck yourself with a rake.
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I switched to Devuan long ago. No systemd for me.
Kewl! (Score:2)
Hopefully my computing machine will still boot later on tonight. I've had bad experience with this kind of thing, I only just about started trusting the ubuntu dist-upgrade script
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Ubuntu is as bad as Windows anymore. I'll install Ubuntu on a device at work and 5 minutes later apt will complain that something in /var is locked. Do a ps and see that the unattended upgrade service is running without me asking. This service is enabled by default.
Re:Kewl! (Score:4, Interesting)
Ubuntu is as bad as Windows anymore. I'll install Ubuntu on a device at work and 5 minutes later apt will complain that something in /var is locked. Do a ps and see that the unattended upgrade service is running without me asking. This service is enabled by default.
It's been installed by default in debian since stretch (2017). You can configure it via the gui or https://wiki.debian.org/Unatte... [debian.org]
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Ubuntu is as bad as Windows anymore. I'll install Ubuntu on a device at work and 5 minutes later apt will complain that something in /var is locked. Do a ps and see that the unattended upgrade service is running without me asking. This service is enabled by default.
It's been installed by default in debian since stretch (2017). You can configure it via the gui or https://wiki.debian.org/Unatte... [debian.org]
true, unattended upgrade service software is installed bu default.
The part you overlooked is that it is Not Activated. The user has to purposely do that if they so desire.
Afaik it's active by default (it's also what the link I provided says) but I'm perfectly happy with this since I'm running stable. I'd consider not getting automagic security updates in the default install a bug, but to each their own.
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I'll be waiting a week or two to see if it's stable.
Not that I expect anything, but you know, a billion configurations and all it takes is that I have the one they didn't test...
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Debian works differently from other operating systems in that respect - they always have three versions out there simultaneously: stable, testing, and unstable. The 'testing' version frequently has more users than 'stable'.
The only downside of this approach is 'stable' tends to be several years behind, which is why 'testing' frequently ends up with more users.
Until yesterday, Bullseye was 'testing'. Today it is 'stable'. So it's unlikely any issues related to specific configurations are going to come u
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Try in a VM or on an expendable machine if in doubt, or on a spare hard disk.
Re: Kewl! (Score:2)
Sigh. Been there, suffered that. Now I test in a VM first.
A NEW VERSION "has been released" (Score:1)
Do English' speakers check any stories here any more?
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"X has been released", third-person singular in the perfect present tense. Looks correct. What's your objection to this?
Your use of an apostrophe following "English" seems superfluous, however.
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This is confusing: "One of the oldest and most renowned distributions of Linux has been released!" Presumably it means "The latest version of one of the oldest ...."
I do not use debian directly.... (Score:2)
But many of the distros in my toolkit do:
Kali
TAILS
#!++ (CrunchBangPP)
AntiX
So welcome bulleye, hope to see you soon
Devuan Chimaera with runit = ideal Debian (Score:1)