Linux Foundation Readies Global COVID Certificate Network (zdnet.com) 131
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: The Linux Foundation Public Health (LFPN) is getting the Global COVID Certificate Network (GCCN) ready for deployment. The GCCN [...] really is a coronavirus vaccine passport. It will do this by establishing a global trust registry network. This will enable interoperable and trustworthy exchanges of COVID certificates among countries for safe reopening and provide related technology and guidance for implementation. It's being built by the Linux Foundation Public Health and its allies, Affinidi, AOKPass, Blockchain Labs, Evernym, IBM, Indicio.Tech, LACChain, Lumedic, Proof Market, and ThoughtWorks. These companies have already implemented COVID certificate or pass systems for governments and industries. Together they will define and implement GCCN. This, it's hoped, will be the model for a true international vaccine registry.
Once completed, the GCCN's trust registry network will enable each country to publish a list of the authorized issuers of COVID certificates that can be digitally verified by authorities in other countries. This will bridge the gap between technical specifications (e.g. W3C Verifiable Credentials or SMART Health Card) and a complete trust architecture required for safe reopening. This is vital because as Brian Behlendorf, the Linux Foundation's General Manager for Blockchain, Healthcare, and Identity explained, "The first wave of apps for proving one's COVID status did not allow that proof to be shown beyond a single state or nation, did not avoid vendor lock-in and did not distinguish between rich health data and simple passes. The Blueprint gives this industry a way to solve those issues while meeting a high bar for privacy and integrity, and GCCN turns those plans into action."
Once in place, the GCCN will support Global COVID Certificates (GCC). These certificates will have three use cases: Vaccination, recovery from infection, and test results. They will be available in both paper and digital formats. Participating governments and industry alliances will decide what COVID certificates they issue and accept. The GCC schema definitions and minimal datasets will follow the recommendations of the Blueprint, as well as GCCN's technical and governance documents, implementation guide, and open-source reference implementations, which will be developed in collaboration with supporting organizations and the broader LFPH community. Besides setting the specs and designs, the GCCN community will also offer peer-based implementation and governance guidance to governments and industries to help them implement COVID certificate systems. This will include how to build national and state trust registries and infrastructure. They'll also provide guidance on how to leverage GCC into their existing coronavirus vaccine systems.
Once completed, the GCCN's trust registry network will enable each country to publish a list of the authorized issuers of COVID certificates that can be digitally verified by authorities in other countries. This will bridge the gap between technical specifications (e.g. W3C Verifiable Credentials or SMART Health Card) and a complete trust architecture required for safe reopening. This is vital because as Brian Behlendorf, the Linux Foundation's General Manager for Blockchain, Healthcare, and Identity explained, "The first wave of apps for proving one's COVID status did not allow that proof to be shown beyond a single state or nation, did not avoid vendor lock-in and did not distinguish between rich health data and simple passes. The Blueprint gives this industry a way to solve those issues while meeting a high bar for privacy and integrity, and GCCN turns those plans into action."
Once in place, the GCCN will support Global COVID Certificates (GCC). These certificates will have three use cases: Vaccination, recovery from infection, and test results. They will be available in both paper and digital formats. Participating governments and industry alliances will decide what COVID certificates they issue and accept. The GCC schema definitions and minimal datasets will follow the recommendations of the Blueprint, as well as GCCN's technical and governance documents, implementation guide, and open-source reference implementations, which will be developed in collaboration with supporting organizations and the broader LFPH community. Besides setting the specs and designs, the GCCN community will also offer peer-based implementation and governance guidance to governments and industries to help them implement COVID certificate systems. This will include how to build national and state trust registries and infrastructure. They'll also provide guidance on how to leverage GCC into their existing coronavirus vaccine systems.
Quick! Call Putin and Mr. Shithole! (Score:1)
August 10th, 2021... (Score:1)
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A COVID funding bill is passed in the United States Congress, and the system goes online on August 4, 2021, removing human decisions from public health decisions. GCCN begins to learn rapidly and eventually becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m., EDT, on August 29, 2021.
And that's how you make a proper reference.
<Mic drop>
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can you fit any more faggotry into one post?
Re:August 10th, 2021... (Score:4, Funny)
He could not, but you did so perfectly.
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can you fit any more faggotry into one post?
That was your job, and did it very well.
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Congrats. You embarrassed yourself. "SHOW US YOUR PAPERS!" was a nazi thing. Never emulate it.
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Congrats. You embarrassed yourself. "SHOW US YOUR PAPERS!" was a nazi thing. Never emulate it.
Congrats. You just Godwinned yourself
Yeah - Just like Nasties have police ask for drivers licenses, or nasty restaurants won't serve people alcohol unless they show they are of age, or how I have to show my ID or passport at border crossings.
Your paranoia must hinder you quite a bit.
Finally! (Score:5, Funny)
Linux supports VAX.
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You win the thread - well played Sir
No thank you (Score:3, Insightful)
A permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Lots of potential for abuse and the creation of a two-tiered society.
The slightly more palatable version of the Chinese social credit system.
A techno-authoritarian's wet dream.
All the while....at this point if you catch covid because you didn't get vaxxed it's your own damn fault and I'll be damned if I participate in a system where my ability to go into a public accomodation is conditioned on some app I have to run on my phone. I never agreed go live in a society like that.
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The slightly more palatable version of the Chinese social credit system.
Hmm no: the COVID passport proves your body is clean. The Chinese social credit system proves your mind is clean.
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>"Hmm no: the COVID passport proves your body is clean."
Not if it doesn't take in to account natural immunity, which it likely won't.
>"The Chinese social credit system proves your mind is clean."
And both are/will be used for social engineering and systematically discriminating against people. So they do have something quite important in common.
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Not if it doesn't take in to account natural immunity, which it likely won't.
We really don't know that this system won't account for natural immunity. From TFS:
These certificates will have three use cases: Vaccination, recovery from infection, and test results.
If you want to demonstrate your "natural immunity", seems like proof of a past positive test result, or proof that you've recovered from an infection are what you'd need? Whether those who want to see these certificates will consider that equivalent to a vaccine is another question entirely, but that's not the certificate system's problem.
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>"We really don't know that this system won't account for natural immunity. From TFS:"
That is a good point. But it is apparent that the focus as been on vaccination, not immunity. This can be seen by an increasing number of articles I am reading about places requiring vaccination with no mention of exception for natural immunity, which is disturbing. Of course, I find the whole "papers please" disturbing, at various levels.
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Well, natural immunity is going to be more like getting one jab on average, with variations depending on virus exposure to begin with. Lighter exposure, less immunity, along with the fact that the big danger from the vaccine is the drive there, not the vaccine, so very few people have a good excuse for not getting the jabs.
As for papers, hopefully you don't live in America where the borders extend a hundred miles into the country and the border patrol can ask for papers and search you due to that border.
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>"Well, natural immunity is going to be more like getting one jab on average"
Not necessarily. If you had exposure and developed symptoms, your body is exposed to the pathogen for a much longer time and the immune response will be much greater. With a vaccine, the exposure is short and the body has minimal immune reaction (because it doesn't need to, it quickly learns there is no threat and subsides). Typically, a stronger immune response will lead to a more effective immunity. This is why some of the
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Yes, it depends on a few things like initial exposure as I said. As an example, here in Canada, where there is still lots of demand for the first shot, the other week I read about a family that was exposed by there pre-schooler bringing it home. The family had no symptoms to very mild symptoms due to the very low initial virus exposure. They may well have not had much natural immunity from that. IIRC they had their vaccine appointments for that week.
There is also the question of what part of the virus your
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Indeed, there is nothing simple about any of this. (It does seem unlikely that a preschooler brought a virus to a home, however).
On my first vaccination injection, I had zero reaction, other than a moderate amount of arm pain several hours later, but that is pretty typical with most muscular injections. But when I got the SECOND injection 3 weeks later (or was it 4? I can't remember), I developed a fever 16 hours later that lasted for 20 hours. As much as I didn't like it, that did prove to me that my b
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Kids do catch Covid, they just usually don't get sick from it and don't shed a lot of virus. We've had 2 infants die from Covid here, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=infa... [duckduckgo.com] and teachers have a high infection rate (schools have been operating all year here).
My first shot, of AstraZenaca, made me feel like crap for one day, luckily I got my shot on Saturday so by Monday I just had a sore arm. Have to wait a couple of more weeks for the 2nd shot and I'll likely opt for an mRNA one for that.
As you say, it is a spect
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>"The continually evolving variants likely won't take your natural immunity into account either."
My natural immunity? I never had COVID-19, I was vaccinated. And from what we know so far, it isn't any more effective on "variants" than natural immunity is. Probably isn't any less, either.
Regardless, "Vaccine passports" are anti-civil-rights, anti-freedom, anti-privacy, and anti-American. The whole concept is moot, anyway. Between the high percentage of natural and vaccine immunity, we have already r
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CDC recommends vaccination for previously infected people because a number of studies have cast doubt on natural infection's long-term durability or resistance to variants vs vaccines. It's not entirely certain, but they believe it to be worthwhile.
People who've previously gotten infected however should be expected to have a superb response post-vaccination, as the body already has a head start.
Re:No thank you (Score:4, Insightful)
>"CDC recommends vaccination for previously infected people because..."
I agree that it *could* lead to a better protection. Of course, it can also lead to an immune over-response by some individuals. I am likely to seek a booster at the end of the year, if one is developed that covers a wider spectrum than my original vaccination in Feb. At this point, I don't think variants will become a big problem, but it is a bit too soon to know for sure.
I would still oppose any of it being mandatory or proving any of it to participate in normal freedoms through some "passport" thing. But I strongly support vaccine research, education, development, promotion, and even making them available at no charge.
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At this point, I don't think variants will become a big problem, but it is a bit too soon to know for sure.
Studies have shown a single dose of mRNA vaccine is only about 30% effective against the delta (B.1.617.2) variant, about half the effectiveness as against the "original" Wuhan strain. Two doses is still over 80% effective, but the level of antibodies produced is still significantly less which will likely affect the duration of effectiveness.
https://www.thelancet.com/jour... [thelancet.com]
I've been looking at research regarding cross-COV immunity, but it is relatively sparse so far. I would not be surprised howev
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I understand he's well credentialed, but his reasoning goes against math itself, and everything that's understood in a hundred years of observed virology.
I believe he's sincere in his stupidity, so he's like that 1 climate scientist out of a 1000 that disputes whether or not trace amounts of CO2 can actually influence the Earth's radiative flux.
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> Hmm no: the COVID passport proves your body is clean.
Really ? It shows you are not carrying one of
Aids, Hepatitis, Malaria, Strep throat, Pink eye, Gastroenteritis, Fifth disease, Chicken pox, Chlamydia, Tuberculosis, Herpes
Amazing
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Sorry to pro vaxers but this is not just any vaccine but a hurried new technology which is really got more unknown about it than known.
An experimental vaccine which arrives right when UFO's Are Being Disclosed (TM)... no one's even thinking I am Legend much less Alien. [youtube.com]
Just saying.
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Trump invented the vaccine
What? lol.
Is this a well-done troll?
Are you a fucking lobotomy patient?
the mRNA vaccine came around through a combination of the work of a German company with the special sauce being provided by a bit of genetic trickery developed by NIAID while Obama was in office.
So again.. what the fuck?
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Perhaps you feel like your intelligence was insulted by the question, but I'll not apologize for it, because you practically begged for it.
I'll quote you directly for clarification.
Dude your TDS has taken over your brain. In case you did not know Trump invented the vaccine (not by himself) has had the vaccine and is very much pro-vaccine.
If that is how you express the point that "Trump is not against vaccines" then you're going to have a hard time in life.
Then again, if you really believed that shit, you're also going to have a hard time in life.
I guess you're in a lose-lose.
My point, was that
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So you must have missed the fact that Trump (not Obama) decided to create a little thing called operation warp speed, this pushed the vaccine though approvals in record time.
So?
Every country in the world did that.
So you must have missed the fact that Trump (not Obama) decided to create a little thing called operation warp speed, this pushed the vaccine though approvals in record time.
Eh, I mean I guess we can thank him for not getting even more people killed than he already had.
So Trump actually said he will buy it even if it fails so start manufacturing right away.
That would be pointless. The President isn't above US law.
If it fails, it can't be distributed, period.
Fortunately, it didn't.
Your brain seems immune to such facts. So yes Trump had a lot to do with the vaccine.
He had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than doing his job. The same job that every leader in the entire world did.
But you're right. Given how inept he had shown himself to be, we should thank him for finding at least one thing he couldn't
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Agreed he was not only an awesome president but also a world leader, everyone followed suit.
Incorrect.
Regulatory testing began in Germany using German money before it did in the US.
You don't understand at all, the reason they actually had the vaccine manufactured is that Trump paid them in advance even if it failed. It would have been thrown in the bin if it failed but Trump decided that it was worth the risk to buy it in advance, and once again other countries followed suit when they saw bold action rather than the typical political ineptness.
This is also entirely incorrect.
BioNTech refused US money. They're a German company. We still offered it to them, but they didn't want to be beholden to any US State apparatus.
I don't see any point in even reading further than this, since you've just made 2 easily verifiably false claims.
You're nothing but a bullshit regurgitation machine.
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Pfizer-BioNTech: 100 million doses (2 dose regimen)
This isn't relevant.
Those contracts came 7/2020, 4 months after the rest of the world started dumping money into them to fund development of the vaccine.
Moderna: 100 million doses (2 dose regimen)
This happened in 8/2020.
Even more lol.
Johnson & Johnson: 100 million doses (1 dose regimen)
Please don't make me point out what's wrong with every one that comes after the first 2.
My point stands. You've got a bad case of vomiting Trump's bullshit everywhere you go.
May I recommend a good antiemetic?
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Your point is to nit pick on every detail.
It's not nitpicking if a piece of evidence reduces your claim to ash. Since the dates don't line up, it does precisely that.
I.e., Trump did precisely dick. Those vaccines were en route with massive private and public funding from all over the world long before the US even got involved.
You must win a lot of arguments in your mind if you think you can hand wave every piece of contrary evidence as nitpicking. Clever.
If Trump was to dive into the sea and save you from drowning you would complain about his risking his life, swimming style, attire and complain that he was not a qualified life saver.
Of course I wouldn't. But even if I did, it would have precisely nothing to do with the facts
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Are you stupid or something?
Nope, just smarter than you. I can understand how from your position that may seem like stupidity though. I imagine you similarly scoff at people trying to explain basic math to you.
First you say nobody argued that Trmup had the doses rolling out and that you led the charge on that, then you say Trump managed not to fuck that up?
Correct. He rubber stamped it as anyone in his position would have.
He however had nothing to do with the vaccine coming into this world.
He managed not to fuck up rubber stamping it, which I salute him for. I mean, that's a low bar- but he needs low bars.
How stupid do you have to be to contradict your self in the next sentence that leaves your lips.
I should probably use smaller sentences for you in the future.
You demonst
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It didn't help the conversation any that I mixed topics in.
But I wanted to confirm that you're terrified of made up attacks on freedom - aka vaccine passports = Hitler,
and that when presented with clear and present attack on democracy, you think the attackers were on the right side.
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I love how this 500M has become the new conspiracy theory, but people don't seem to be in agreement if it's COVID or the vaccine that's going to be responsible for it.
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Sorry, but there shouldn't be an automatic assumption that being against a registry also implies being against vaccination. That's broken logic. Correlation != causation. Some people are just plain against having their names put on lists.
Furthermore, I don't see how creating a registry meaningfully improves the overall situation or encourages vaccination participation. If anything, making lists like this is more likely to just create angst, and it gives people one more excuse to avoid participation (just to buck the system).
People that wanted a vaccine have had plenty of time to get one. People that don't want it should be allowed to roll the dice.
If you're still concerned about your own safety, you should consider getting yourself vaccinated (since self protection is one of the prime benefits) or perhaps move to a place with less concentration of people.
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If you think we need a registry, you don't really "believe in the science".
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I'd like to see a true end to Covid and all seasonal colds/flus but especially Covid. That like requires one of the following in addition to the vaccine.
1. Mandatory masks every where.
2. Vaccine passport.
3. Real mandatory contact tracing.
I think #2 is probably the best/most realistic to work. Don't think Covid is and issue once vaccinated? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/10/two-guests-onboard-a-royal-caribbean-cruise-test-positive-for-covid.html [cnbc.com]
These two managed to not only catch Covid with declining inf
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I fully agree. Although I am vaccinated, I plan to boycott any business that requires proof of the vaccine. I don't want to prove that I am vaccinated and I don't worry at all about being around the unvaccinated.
Your reaction shows that the 5G chip and the magnetization devices in the vaccine are working.
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Sorry, but there shouldn't be an automatic assumption that being against a registry also implies being against vaccination. That's broken logic. Correlation != causation. Some people are just plain against having their names put on lists.
Too bad there isn't a vaccine for paranoia.
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I don't plan to prove my vaccination status to anyone. If that is a requirement to go to a concert, then I will no longer go to concerts. I don't mind other nations wanting proof to enter their country, and I actually don't mind businesses deciding that they want proof. However, if a business makes that choice I will no longer be their customer. If I want to fly to the EU, then I will bring my paper card that shows my vaccination record. To big tech companies this is just one more bonanza that they want to exploit for money and data. Fuck them.
I fully support your desire - if you don't want to buy things from a business that you don't like the color of their logo - That's fully within your rights.
My point in all of this is you are paranoid - you somehow want to guard the fact that you've had the vaccinations as if you had to tell people that you had syphilis or were on a sex offenders list. You have a right to be paranoid as long as you don't go harming people. Hell of a hill to make a stand on though.
If you did contract syphilis would you
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Sorry, but there shouldn't be an automatic assumption that being against a registry also implies being against vaccination. That's broken logic. Correlation != causation. Some people are just plain against having their names put on lists.
Drivers License, any certifications or licenses you have. Degrees, credit cards, using Tor, mailing address, street address, Social security number, and a whole slew of other lists that you are on. I mean, I guess you could fake your exipration and move to a compound in Idaho.
But I get it - showing that you have a vaccine is just a bridge too far, a fescist level destruction of liberty that is the road to hell.
Roll the dice away from me, please (Score:2)
I've got better than 90% protection but I know the difference between that and 100%.
If I get into a cramped indoor space like an airplane, I'm going to want the owner to require people to show vaccination or recovery or a fresh negative test.
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People that wanted a vaccine have had plenty of time to get one. People that don't want it should be allowed to roll the dice.
This apparently is not quite true yet. Once we reach the point where "everyone who wants a vaccine has had one" - absolutely. But I'm still reading articles where healthcare professionals are saying that some people have still not had access to the vaccines for whatever reason. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/the-two-societies-97-of-new-covid-cases-are-among-people-who-havent-gotten-the-shots/ [seattletimes.com] is the one that I can find with a quick google (the statement in question is a small bite close to
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The "registry" we're talking about in the context of the Linux Foundation's project isn't even a list of the vaccinated!
It's a list of authorities who are able to electronically sign a covid vaccination certificate. Bring your proof of vaccination to the approved authority in your country, and they issue you an electronically signed certificate confirming that you're vaccinated. In principle, your details don't need to be kept in a database at all.
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Much of the world is behind the USA when it comes to jabs, I've had one, Astra-Zennaca and it will be another month before I get another.
Anyways vaccine passports are likely to be for international travel and there is a long history of needing vaccines to be allowed into various countries.
Premature Stupidity. (Score:3)
This will enable interoperable and trustworthy exchanges of COVID certificates among countries for safe reopening...
Safe reopening? We have countries at single-digit vaccination levels still. And wealthy countries who shoved politics in between shots, for fucks sake.
Call me in 5 years when you're doing more than pulling pointless shit out of your ass to "create jobs".
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I suspect there will be a lot of places outside Florida where Floridians simply will not be able to go.
So do I. There is an issue of whether other states can bar free travel from Florida to other places, but that's something SCOTUS will probably be tasked with ruling on. When it comes to international travel, face it: There is no right to international travel in that other countries don't have to let you in, regardless of what policies they do or do not have. So I suspect that by the time this is all said and done people will be having their "COVID passport" or "mark of the beast" or whatever the hell people
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Now one of the big questions appears to be whether fully vaccinated people (assuming the vaccine worked) can actively transmit the virus without having symptoms.
Unfortunately - many of us no longer care if anti-vaxxers become ill or expire. They made their choice. This past year has completely destroyed my empathy for them.
Next up - MAGAs will claim that they don't have to show their licenses, prove their ages, have to present a credit card to buy things or any other thing that might identify them in any way. Muh Rytes!
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Now one of the big questions appears to be whether fully vaccinated people (assuming the vaccine worked) can actively transmit the virus without having symptoms.
Unfortunately - many of us no longer care if anti-vaxxers become ill or expire. They made their choice. This past year has completely destroyed my empathy for them.
Next up - MAGAs will claim that they don't have to show their licenses, prove their ages, have to present a credit card to buy things or any other thing that might identify them in any way. Muh Rytes!
I totally agree with you on the first point. As for the second, I get it. If they think they're going to go out to the local liquor store and not show ID, they're absolutely insane. But, by the same token, I'd say that voter ID isn't a racist issue at all, which is where this is inevitably going. I have to have ID to get a job, buy alcohol, buy tobacco, drive, get on a plane, in some cases get on a bus or a train, etc. Maybe some people have a problem with that but it's a separate issue. I sure as hell don'
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The concept of voter ID is not racist in and of itself but it's been historically used in a manner that would lead to racist outcomes, such as some states banning the use of state ID's that African Americans used in greater amounts or the fact that many black people were not issued birth certificates, etc etc. There is a way to do VoterID properly but most of the people pushing for VoterID do not want to implement those measures.
There is also the issue that people have to present ID to get registered to vo
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Now one of the big questions appears to be whether fully vaccinated people (assuming the vaccine worked) can actively transmit the virus without having symptoms.
Unfortunately - many of us no longer care if anti-vaxxers become ill or expire. They made their choice. This past year has completely destroyed my empathy for them.
Next up - MAGAs will claim that they don't have to show their licenses, prove their ages, have to present a credit card to buy things or any other thing that might identify them in any way. Muh Rytes!
I totally agree with you on the first point. As for the second, I get it. If they think they're going to go out to the local liquor store and not show ID, they're absolutely insane. But, by the same token, I'd say that voter ID isn't a racist issue at all, which is where this is inevitably going. I have to have ID to get a job, buy alcohol, buy tobacco, drive, get on a plane, in some cases get on a bus or a train, etc. Maybe some people have a problem with that but it's a separate issue. I sure as hell don't. (Now if some dude is just minding his own business and walking down the street and the Man decides they need to show ID I do have a problem with that. *cough* Giuliani.)
I think it was Alabama where a law was passed where a person could demand a person who looked like a Mexican had to show proof of citizenship. Anyhow, I hope that law is gone now.
Ah - voter ID. I've had a voter Identification card showing that I was registered in Pennsylvania and where I was registered to vote that's so old it's falling apart.
Here's the thing though - Voter ID is trotted out near every election, as some sort of voter fraud universally endorsed by the Evul Demoncrats.
I am 100 perce
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> mRNA and adenovirus "vaccines" (previously called "gene therapy")
Lol humans have DNA. With a D. *Viruses* have RNA.
The RNA is a tiny, tiny, tiny part of the virus. Pretty similar to how we used to use a weakened form of the virus, RNA is cutting off 95% of the virus.
Gene therapy is fixing broken DNA, the persons DNA.
So kinda like the difference between fixing a broken part deep inside the motor in your car, vs waxing your car.
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mRNA and adenovirus "vaccines" (previously called "gene therapy")
Lol humans have DNA. With a D. *Viruses* have RNA.
The RNA is a tiny, tiny, tiny part of the virus. Pretty similar to how we used to use a weakened form of the virus, RNA is cutting off 95% of the virus.
Gene therapy is fixing broken DNA, the persons DNA.
The mRNA vaccines (Pfizer/Moderna) are purely RNA and don't enter nucleus. They are not capable of affecting DNA.
Adenovirus JJ/AZ/Sputnik schemes do enter the nucleus and inject DNA to get the cell to produce desired RNA. These schemes can and have been used to modify genes. While modification is not supposed to occur with these particular vaccines if one is worried about the possibility of being turned into a space lizard get an mRNA vaccine, they are better anyway.
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Time will tell but it's starting to look like the mRNA vaccines are not just safe but will likely end up being considered the safest vaccines ever developed.
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Time will tell but it's starting to look like the mRNA vaccines are not just safe but will likely end up being considered the safest vaccines ever developed.
It's just Trumpers and kooks and vaccines cause autism people who avoid the vaccine because their leader told them it was a hoax.
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If states could block US citizens from coming into them from other states, don't you think places like Idaho would vote to ban all these newcomers, which have completed fucked local housing?
States definitely cannot stop citizens from traveling between them. Here is reference. It may be possible but I can't find any time it was actually done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Oh you'd definitely have states like Texas banning immigration of people from places like California. Housing here in the South is insane (ex: house sold $263k in 2012 now selling for $435k). The immigration is also so rapid that many of the local economies are just completely screwed as a result. Add to that the economic fuckage caused by the pandemic in general, and it's a mess. If some states actually did this, even if it's just based on "your state has a low immunization rate," it will make divisivene
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How people are so willingly to give away freedoms for the hope of security.
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Like the freedom of my business to refuse to serve people who refuse to be vaccinated or wear masks?
You're awfully one-sided with the freedoms that your're willing to label as mere hope of security.
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Like the freedom of my business to refuse to serve people who refuse to be vaccinated or wear masks?
You're awfully one-sided with the freedoms that your're willing to label as mere hope of security.
By that definition I should be completely free to deny business to people based on sex, race, skin color, without some kind of genetic history certifying that they're "pure," religion, sexual orientation, or anything else. The libertarian in me says "fine," but it would create a hell of a mess. At the same time, any jackass who did that is going to run himself out of business probably. It's going to be the same with the COVID passports. I'm fully immunized. If I have to show proof to go to a restaurant or
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Funny how you immediately start listing protected classes under the Civil Rights Act while disregarding the fact that essentially all other characteristics are A-OK for exclusion. Don't meet an arbitrary dress code? Gone. Making you wear a mask? Discrimination. Require vaccines in orde
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Unfortunately, I need to clarify the point obviously.
Funny how you immediately start listing protected classes under the Civil Rights Act while disregarding the fact that essentially all other characteristics are A-OK for exclusion. Don't meet an arbitrary dress code? Gone. Making you wear a mask? Discrimination. Require vaccines in order to enroll in public school? Fine. Require vaccines to remain within my business? Discrimination.
And that's your decision. But you're not owed service in a "free" market. All you've done is demonstrate that you're willing to use the language of libertarianism only so long as you're the one dictating terms. And that's not libertarianism.
No, I'm saying that you should be able to deny service based on whatever the hell crazy criteria you come up with. If you want to mandate masks and vaccination proof, more power to you. If some KKK card-holding prick wants to ban blacks, then he should be able to do it. What happened here is by making "protected classes" we created the inevitable (and stupid) "slippery slope" argument.
I happen to work right now in a place that requires masks. They al
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Vaccination status is not a protected class, unless you happen to live in certain Republican-dominated states that have resisted special protections, for example for LGBTQ people, because those are "choices," but suddenly embrace special protections for political ideology and, now, COVID vaccination status, because... just because.
Oh no. It's not "just because." It's very far from "just because." Making people who are not subject to any particular societal disadvantages feel like they are a persecuted minority is a powerful tool that has been used by cultists since time immemorial. It has been incredibly successful in suckering white people in the American South for over a century now.
The Republican Party is using the language of cultists and it is not an accident. They are doing it with malice aforethought, and it is working.
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I suspect there will be a lot of places outside Florida where Floridians simply will not be able to go.
Good. We don't need Florida man bringing his fun to the non-inbred states.
So what happens if the info is wrong.... (Score:2)
So will there be an easy to call 800#? What if the wrong info prevents me
Welcome to the realities of the no-fly list. (Score:2)
The no-fly list has all the problems you cover here... and yet I wouldn't want that jettisoned.
Brilliant Idea (Score:2)
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I always wondered how these COVID vaccination passports would handle a legal challenge from people would see it as a HIPPA violation. I'm not a lawyer, but I do see some privacy concerns here.
Billions around the world are desperate for shots (Score:3)
But Linux foundation thinks the most important thing is to help bully people who don't want them in rich countries? This doesn't make sense even from pure nationalist point of view, because we can target surplus shots to places and individuals that we deem most likely to spread virus widely and generate new variants. Vaccinating a taxi driver in India may well reduce danger to yourself more than vaccinating your next door neighbor.
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What's your suggestion? That the Linux Foundation hold off on a potentially useful project, until all of the more serious problems are solved by other people first? Vaccinating a taxi driver in India isn't exactly within the remit of the Linux Foundation. Creating a technological solution for certifying that an individual is vaccinated (maybe) is. There's nothing wrong with parallelizing the work.
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The solution here is to send all the Linux Foundation people to work as taxi drivers in India.
Bill Gates' Chips (Score:1)
I believe it to be a moot point (Score:1)
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By the time this system gets developed and deployed we will be able to perform extremely rapid minimally invasive testing.
The "invasive" part being discussed here isn't the mechanics of sample collection, it's providing this information to a third party - though I will add that to many people, having someone stick a needle in you and take blood is DAMNED invasive. Note that in all this tussle (speaking specifically for the US), nobody has said whether these third parties are defined as Covered Entities for HIPAA reasons. It matters, because a Covered Entity is legally obliged to secure PHI, and there are criminal penalties inc
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I'm in favour of this. (Score:2)
I'm not against this at all. I think it's a solid idea. Of all the reasons that the government collects information about me, this is the least nefarious. It's also the easiest example of tying information usage directly to a positive outcome for me specifically. Given the choice between an airline that uses the service vs. one that doesn't, I'll take the "overshadowed" flight every time.
I don't get it. (Score:1, Insightful)
Consider that the slippery slope argument is important. Imagine our society after going down this path for a year. I
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Hopefully This Will All Be Over (Score:1)
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Does no one know what a certificate is? (Score:3)
Does no one on Slashdot understand how an electronically signed certificate works? If anything, successful deployment of this system would be a win for privacy advocates. It'd allow for verification of vaccination status or test results without the creation of a centralized list. The "registry" under discussion here would be a list of those agencies who are authorized to electronically sign a vaccination certificate - not vaccinated individuals.
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Please check my understanding to make sure I have it right.
I understand that this is a system to make it easier to verify that a vaccination certificate is issued by a reliable authority.
I infer, based on that understanding, that this makes it easier to build systems that grant or deny access to facilities, goods, and services based on a digital vaccine certificate.
The tin foil hat crowd would refer to a hypothetical digital vaccine certificate as a "Covid Passport".