Fedora 31 Released (betanews.com) 68
Fedora 31 has just rolled out the door. From a report: Is it an exciting release? No, not really. Sure, enthusiasts will find themselves thrilled withe inclusion of the GNOME 3.34 desktop environment (with Qt Wayland by default), Linux 5.3 kernel, and Mesa 9.2, but otherwise, it is fairly boring. You know what? That's not a bad thing. In 2019, Fedora is simply a mature and stable operating system that only needs to follow an evolutionary path at this time -- not revolutionary. It stands alone as the world's best desktop Linux distribution. "Fedora 31 Workstation provides new tools and features for general users as well as developers with the inclusion of GNOME 3.34. GNOME 3.34 brings significant performance enhancements which will be especially noticeable on lower-powered hardware. Fedora 31 Workstation also expands the default uses of Wayland, including allowing Firefox to run natively on Wayland under GNOME instead of the XWayland backend as with prior releases," says The Fedora Project.
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Why did Redhat do its level best to bury the clearly superior KDE all those years? Rhetorical question, everybody knows the answer: because Redhat wanted to exert control over the desktop much like the control they exert over corporate servers.
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Red Hat's control efforts are really because they can fix thousands of servers from their side, instead of thousands of part time admins doing it on their own, with some doing it wrong.
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Oh thank you for educating me! So Redhat's meddling with community projects in the aid of their own corporate profits was always just purely altruistic!!! Truth!!1!!
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Redhatters have always been the sorts to get together in gangs that go out and mug anybody who criticizes Redhat often scurrilous conduct. You smell like one of those.
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Teehee, you are one of those garden variety unsocialized asses who believes that the toxic sewage they post to the internet is a "beat down". Sucks to be you. Sucks to be anyone who knows you.
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And need I add, you are the sort of person who fits in well at Redhat. Thank goodness Redhat is dead. No tears, not sorry.
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No shit? You don't say? Companies don't use Fedora for Web Servers? It's almost like Red Hat Enterprise Linux and CentOS would be what companies use, but that can't be right. Why would an enterprise prefer the enterprise version of Red Hat's software over the community version? DOH!
Nobody uses RPM except package maintainers idiot. DNF is the wrapper around it that works just as well as any other distributions tools,
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People don't use Fedora for web servers and they don't use Redhat either, 3.9%. So Redhat is dead.
DNF is still RPM.
The fact that Redhatters are going around to social media sites and modding down critical comments, or factual comments like this one just shows what a morally bankrupt company Redhat is, or was, before it got the corporate death penalty for failing to grow. 3.9% share of web servers, goodbye Redhat.
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Rhetorical question, everybody knows the answer: because Redhat wanted to exert control over the desktop much like the control they exert over corporate servers.
That's a silly response. Don't you remember back pre-GNOME2 days, RedHat was KDE by default. It wasn't until 1998 when RedHat released their technical preview of RedHat Linux with GNOME 2.0 preview had them reconsider their primary toolkit API. RedHat, and many others, we're attempting to move away from KDE, which is based on Qt, because of Qt's licensing. It wasn't until 2000 that Qt licensing was changed, but by that point many of the programmers for RedHat were head deep into Gtk 2. In 2002 RedHat h
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Don't you remember back pre-GNOME2 days, RedHat was KDE by default.
I don't remember that because it did not happen. Redhat started the Gnome project just after KDE got started, mainly by Suse, and before that Redhat just had complete crap like TWM.
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You mean like FVWM, IceWM, or WindowMaker. Because I remember those being the options. No one used TWM. Well, except for a few lunatics that is.
Motif was licensed, that is why CDE did not become the standard desktop. Then KDE was made as an alternative to CDE.
But because the Qt license which KDE used was crap, people started GNOME using the GTK libraries used in GIMP.
FWIW I still think Qt sucks as an API even vs GTK, but it does have better cross platform support.
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I still think Qt sucks as an API even vs GTK
You obviously have not done anything beyond toy programs with either. GTK sucks beyond belief. It just does. The UI of every program written with GTK sucks two, I give you the file open dialog as proof positive. You can just tell when GTK is sitting underneath some GUI, e.g., defaults are always wrong, dialogs open in the wrong place or even underneath other windows, crashes if you do anything even a bit unusual, etc. etc. And the source, omigod, the source. Just switch to C++ already, C just can't do GUI i
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Neither one of those claims is remotely close to being correct. Gnome was started [wikipedia.org] by Miguel de Icaza [wikipedia.org] and Frederico Mena, neither of whom were associated with Red Hat, and KDE was started by Matthias Ettrich [wikipedia.org], a student who was not an associate of SuSE. It's time for you to accept that you are claiming to posses knowledge on this subject, but actually posses none. You might also want
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Don't be stupid, who do you think paid Miguel's and Nat's paychecks? Hint: it was never personal donations or profits they made themselves.
Red Hat Joins Industry Vendors as a Founding Member of the GNOME Foundation [gnome.org] Red hat paid the paychecks of Microsoft mole Miguel and Microsoft mole Nat, period, full stop. Both currently resting and vesting at Microsoft by the way, after successfully laying waste to the Linux GUI scene. With you cheering them on, apparently.
As for KDE, Suse supported it heavily. If you de
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Content from the linked article (emphasis added):
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You think Miguel would have started Gnome without first talking to Redhat and lining up that support? If so then you are delusional. A man needs to eat.
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Present evidence to the contrary or shut up.
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What's worse is that he's like Miguel was so in love with Redhat, which was exactly not the case. If anything Redhat and Miguel didn't really see eye to eye on somethings after Miguel ditched Helix Code. Especially with Redhat not wanting to support Mono or .NET on Linux and Miguel being a giant Microsoft supporter. Like I have no idea who person is, but geez they couldn't be more off the mark with how things actually went.
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From Miguel's (snotty little) mouth itself: "There are a few companies shipping GNOME with their operating system distributions (Turbo Linux, Red Hat, SuSE) and they do fund some of the work that goes into GNOME" https://linuxgazette.net/issue... [linuxgazette.net]
Owned.
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That's the very first line of your link.
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
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By the way, I presume that you are a Redhatter. You are a special kind of ugly, so no doubt you fit in perfectly there.
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Ok, we are clear on the special kind of ugly.
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I don't remember that because it did not happen
Well I'm pretty sure you can just head over to Red Hat's archive FTP and take a look yourself if you like.
Redhat started the Gnome project just after KDE got started
LOL. Yeah, I hate to break it to you. Redhat did not start the GNOME project. Why do you think Mandrake Linux defaulted to KDE and had the majority of its tools written in Qt? Why do you think Mandrake Linux was using RPM? Guess whose tree they based it all off of? Gosh are you just trolling?
Don't be stupid, who do you think paid Miguel's and Nat's paychecks? Hint: it was never personal donations or profits they made themselves.
Oh I see, you forgot your tinfoil. I guess you are just trolling.
You think Miguel would have started Gnome without first talking to Redhat and lining up that support? If so then you are delusional. A man needs to eat.
Miguel started Gtk because, like many oth
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You mean bury KDE by having both a KDE Spin [fedoraproject.org] available for those who prefer that as the default and having the complete KDE Suite available for easy install on the standard version with a single command ("sudo dnf -y group install "KDE Plasma Workspaces")
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Thank you for the link, I was not aware of it. However. Only since 2015, long after the main damage was done. Barn, door, horse.
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No damage was done.
Rubbish. If Redhat and it's Microsoft moles Nat and Miguel had not fought bitterly against KDE for many years, Linux would most probably have ten times the market share it has today. Nothing drives tire kickers back to Windows faster than the eye gougingly awkward experience of Gnome 3. The same was also true of Gnome 1 and 2, which is when the real damage happened, however Gnome 3 managed to drive that idiocy further than ever before. After it already didn't matter of course.
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Of course I meant desktop market share. Obviously, Linux rules the universe everywhere else, with a few niche exceptions, and even those are showing signs of cracking. Only the desktop remains in the hands of self serving monopolist Microsoft, and if anybody is to be thanked for that, Nat and Miguel would be top of the list.
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Why is included by default in the biggest distros?
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Why is included by default in the biggest distros?
Because that's where a lot of the developers are in the DE circles. KDE ranks in at second place, but past that third place and down, number of active developers pales in comparison. Shoot, XFCE has been working on getting everything GTK 3 ready since 4.12 days (2015). 4.14 was announced in 2016 and wasn't released until about two months ago this year. There just aren't enough people actively working on anything else but GNOME and KDE. MATE is coming in at incremental updates about once a year and Cinn
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It is a shame GNUstep never picked up because of possible licensing issues with Apple.
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It's been awarded the top award for this year's "Year of the Linux Desktop" contest.
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Is "year of the Linux desktop" one of those sayings like "we'll have practical fusion in 20 years"? :-)
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It's been awarded the top award for this year's "Year of the Linux Desktop" contest.
Oh my god. Can we please have a "Year of the Linux Desktop" contest? That would be amazing.
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Fedora is the open source release that if you pay for support is called Red Hat. That means this is ready for some businesses to experiment with.
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No. CentOS is the open source release that if you pay for support is called Red Hat. Fedora is just the test bed for stuff that if it isn't broken enough or they think it can eventually be fixed enough to be stable may make it into RHEL someday.
Re:Huh? (Score:4, Informative)
Fedora becomes Red Hat with a relativity slow release cycle and paid support.
CentOS is a free community version of Red Hat.
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Fedora is a community driven OS
It was at one time, before Redhat staged a hostile takeover, memorialized in this not entirely humorous spoof piece. [literalbarrage.org] Now Fedora is nothing more than an alpha test site for RHEL, owned and operated by Redhat.
Re: Huh? (Score:1)
As I've preferred the Unix and Linux desktops I've used over windows since day one, I really don't get that.
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Is it an exciting release? No, not really. Sure, enthusiasts will find themselves thrilled withe inclusion of the GNOME 3.34 desktop environment
lololol
It stands alone as the world's best desktop Linux distribution.
LOLOLOL
Who believes this shit?
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Devuan? MX? Even just plain Debian?
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It stands alone as the world's best desktop Linux distribution.
LOLOLOL
Who believes this shit?
Who wrote that shit?
It's not just Fedora (Score:5, Insightful)
At this time, the well known PC operating systems are all mature. To expect revolutionary changes in every release is not at all desirable. In the early days, when you're on the steep end of the curve, sure, but at some point maturity should be an objective.
Trying to have each release be something revolutionary is the kind of thinking that gave us Vista. And Windows 8.
It bears repeating, the OS is not the application. It runs applications.
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It bears repeating, the OS is not the application. It runs applications.
This sounds great but is it reality?
With Linux it seems the only two real world options you have is to compile it yourself (For mortals this is essentially asking the user to go fuck themselves) from source or cross your fingers and hope everything you want is packaged with your favorite distro and not so horribly broken and outdated that it is useless to you.
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It bears repeating, the OS is not the application. It runs applications.
This sounds great but is it reality?
With Linux it seems the only two real world options you have is to compile it yourself (For mortals this is essentially asking the user to go fuck themselves) from source or cross your fingers and hope everything you want is packaged with your favorite distro and not so horribly broken and outdated that it is useless to you.
I disagree. Specialized applications (see below) are still an issue, but these days when most of what most people do is in a browser, and with the huge selection of precompiled packages available for most popular distros, it's not really a problem anymore.
Having to compile code for everything you use is so 1990s. Nowdays, you find the package name, do a "yum install" or "apt-get install" and start using it.
In the rare instance when you have to actually compile something (I get paid to administer Red Hat,
GNOME sucks ass (Score:2)
GNOME is the most unusable worthless interface imaginable. Even worse than Microsoft's metro BS which is quite an achievement.
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So it is fortunate that you can download several spins [bytemark.co.uk], I shall be trying the Mate desktop as I agree that GNOME3 is frustrating, vital feature lacking and hard to use.
No bitmap fonts for you! (Score:3)
Be aware that currently Fedora 31 does not support bitmap fonts (e.g. Terminus) in most graphical apps due to a removal of this feature in Pango 1.44.
A discussion of this issue is ongoing [redhat.com] with no definitive resolution yet proposed.
The easiest workaround if you've already updated, is to downgrade Pango to its version from Fedora 30 and add to to the list of exclusions in dnf.conf:
It's a major cock-up and I wonder why Fedora 31 was greenlit in the presence of this bug.
A pango developer offered users to buy [phoronix.com] hi-dpi monitors not to be affected by this issue. I've got no words.
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