Fedora 30 Linux Distro Is Here (betanews.com) 128
Fedora 30, the newest release of the venerable Linux distribution that serves (in part) as the staging environment for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, was released Tuesday, bringing with it a number of improvements and performance optimizations. From a report: he most exciting aspect, for workstation/desktop users at least, is the update to GNOME 3.32. Of course, that is hardly the only notable update -- the DNF package manager is getting a performance boost, for instance. In other words, this is a significant operating system upgrade that should delight both existing Fedora users and beginners alike. "Fedora 30 brings enhancements to all editions with updates to the common underlying packages, from bug fixes and performance tweaks to new versions. In Fedora 30, base updates include Bash shell 5.0, Fish 3.0, the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) 9 and Ruby 2.6. Fedora 30 also now uses the zchunk format for data compression within the DNF repository. When metadata is compressed using zchunk DNF will only download the differences between earlier copies of metadata and the current versions, saving on resources and increasing efficiency," says The Fedora Project.
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I use Slackware and it's wonderful. But given the choice I really do like FreeBSD better.
But it is monolithic (Score:5, Insightful)
If systemd is not monolithic can you utilize bits and pieces of it? Then yeah it's a monolith, take it or leave it. Binary logs are dumb because what was gained for all the work? You now have an entirely new set of log manipulation tools that does the same job as the old tools? I don't get it. Did someone just discover AIX and decide to copy that feature?
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My point was grep and awk no longer function with these new log files. So they had to rewrite new versions to deal with them. So you have these new log files and new tools that function just like the old ones, correct? Again I ask what was the point? You're back where you started from just doing things slightly different.
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Hates monolithic systemd, wants grep and awk to roll more functions into themselves instead of using a single pipe to deal with it. Makes sense.
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>If systemd is not monolithic can you utilize bits and pieces of it?
Yes actually. There's the systemd proper which is the replacement for the init system and just that; all it does is handle what init did before. Logind, machined, imported, locald, and resolved are not strictly needed to get a running system. Just that for different people they have nice advantages.
Journald is the only exception but AFAIK; systemd needs it but you can disable it with some work and revert back to the older syslog system i
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I think it was all a ploy by Redhat to sell more support. Here try this big untested mess of features on your production machines. Oh something isn't working? Sure give me your account number...
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What?? Have you ever had to call RH support for a systemd problem? I've been supporting RHEL/CentOS machines for literally a decade and a half, and used RH for years before that. Systemd has never given me a problem since it was included in RHEL 6.
I have it on my laptop and home servers under arch and ubuntu. Never has it given me a problem.
I've had to write my own start units. Never has it given me a problem.
The only problem I've ever had with systemd is all the change-averse idiots on the internet fucking
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Logs have always been binary ... you clearly have no idea how ASCII works
Wow! You actually uttered this piece of intellectual dishonesty?! I would be ashamed of myself if I were you. Rethink your priorities in life bud. You have wandered too far down the wrong path.
(pause for technical glitch)
After a technical glitch, I was forced to read even more of your comments and I think I see which path you went down that was wrong: You obviously have some sort of "skin in the game" as regards to SystemD. Regardless of whether or not a conclusion could be drawn (good, bad?) you want to be
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Another great example of cluelessness is when people start saying "OMFGzers! It isn't text. You can't use grep, sed and awk with systemd!!!!" That is a sure sign they have read and are repeating what they don't understand because even a marginally competent system admin would know how
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I still can't get used to binary log files when text logs worked so well.
Forwarding to syslog is a systemd configuration option and is usually the default, but isn't on Fedora for some reason.
All you have to do is make a single edit in: /etc/systemd/journald.conf
See this line:
#ForwardToSyslog=no
Change it to:
ForwardToSyslog=yes
I still can't get used to my web browser (Firefox) relying on PulseAudio when Alsa worked so well.
Your web browser uses whatever audio system is your system default. Why wouldn't it use pulse if pulse is the default? And let me tell you Alsa didn't work so well. Don't you remember how when using alsa a single application could essentially monopolize
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Actually to all systemd haters, I had a look at systemd and it really is a very good init system. Is it too big maybe, but it perfectly hit the spot how a modern init system should look like, basically just a set of small independent loose dependencies which can trigger scripts and can be executed dependent on the dependency state in the same time. Also it can react on events to start scripts only on certain states or stop them and also keeps track on the service tree.
I guess the reason why it has become so
Re: Did they finally remove systemd? (Score:2)
Then explain why SystemD randomly stops daemons without writtings a log when it happens? Or why NFS randomly doesn't get mounted? System D is not suitable for production use! We are switching to Windows Server from Linux at work thanks to SystemD.
I do not believe it's possible to get it to work in an Enterprise environment
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I do not believe it's possible to get it to work in an Enterprise environment
You should probably hire a competent administrator.
Re: Did they finally remove systemd? (Score:2)
If systemD is workable than why the hate? The hate I see is it doesn't work or does when it wants to
Re: Did they finally remove systemd? (Score:1, Troll)
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Systemd will be the system.
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Otherwise, no thank you.
That's uncharacteristically polite for an anti-systemd shitpost.
wow (Score:5, Interesting)
Who cares. Seriously. I had just installed 29 in a VM. It did an upgrade on itself, or tried to, and did not reboot. This is out of the box, fresh off the boat, never touched by me, just installed maybe 3 days prior. I turn it on, it updates, *poof*, it shot itself in the head.
I'm telling you, gnome is absolute rubbish. It's a total piece of shit that should die forever. You don't even have to scratch the surface of its source code more than 3 seconds before you see this. And that Qt-based KDE shit isn't that far behind it in the race to the bottom. They're both just shit piled on top of more shit. It's shit all the way down. One big ball of shit.
Re: wow (Score:1)
Sadly we only can agree.
- the people who used Linux destops from the early 2000's
Desktop Linux needs a fresh start. (Score:1)
I think we have gotten to the point where desktop Linux needs a fresh start. Everything but the kernel needs to be thrown out. This is like what Android did, but we need to target real desktop and laptop users instead of tiny cell phones.
The first thing to do is to go back to Linux's Unix roots. But since C is now an outdated language, we should build the userland software using Rust. The first thing to rebuild is the shell. We can build it using Rust, and instead of using the archaic sh inspired language o
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Are you a developer of Rust?
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Who cares. Seriously. I had just installed 29 in a VM. It did an upgrade on itself, or tried to, and did not reboot. This is out of the box, fresh off the boat, never touched by me, just installed maybe 3 days prior. I turn it on, it updates, *poof*, it shot itself in the head.
I'm telling you, gnome is absolute rubbish. It's a total piece of shit that should die forever. You don't even have to scratch the surface of its source code more than 3 seconds before you see this. And that Qt-based KDE shit isn't that far behind it in the race to the bottom. They're both just shit piled on top of more shit. It's shit all the way down. One big ball of shit.
I installed Mint 19.0 on a new machine over the weekend and it updated itself to current patch level. Then I had the update program do an update to the Mint 19.1 release and the whole thing just worked. Out of the box fully updated in no time.
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Nothing like that has happened to me, using Fedora. Though I am not running it in a virtual machine.
And I am using the KDE spin. I don't understand the hate for KDE. I DO understand the hate for systemd, though I think it is unjustified.
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I normally use Slackware but occasionally venture elsewhere for shits and giggles. Fedora is less of a piece of shit than Mint, and some others I've used. From what I can see, with the systemd crap, even the window manager is broken. I installed OpenBox (Fluxbox and Blackbox have been fundamentally broken for years now), and its behaviour is all screwy because everything is linked to all sorts of crap that has nothing to do with the WM. I'm trying to like Systemd, but it is fundamentally a piece if shit
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Pulseaudio breaks a lot of fundamental things - I can't "su" to another user and get sound to work without all sorts of BS because pulseaudio is built with a single user mindset.
The reason pulse runs as a user is security. You CAN run pulse in system mode but it is less secure. That shouldn't matter for most desktop use though.
https://www.freedesktop.org/wi... [freedesktop.org]
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For the most part, it looks like the best option is to just remove pulseaudio completely.
No need to do that, just run pulse in system mode. I've seen a pulse systemd.service module somewhere that'll do that. Basically you'll turn off the standard run-as-user ones, and enable the new one. Which will look something like this:
[code]
[Unit]
Description=PulseAudio system server
[Service]
Type=notify
Exec=pulseaudio --daemonize=no --system --realtime --log-target=journal
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target
[/code]
name it something like pulseaudio-systemwide.service. put it in /etc/systemd/system and set
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Mhhh given that its been a while, but last time I had a look at the kde sourcecode it was absolutely cleanly structured and one of the best OO C++ code I have ever seen.
Things might have changed with KDE 3 though. As for Gnome I had a look at the same time and back then KDE sort of was a copy of the already dreadful Win32 api things might have changed there as well and probably not for the worse.
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Re: DNF repository? Oh! You mean the registry! (Score:3, Insightful)
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Also hopefully the zchunk changes don't turn into the same waste of processor time that the drpm option did; sure the download was quick but recompressing the package locally was noticeably slower than just downloading the whole thing, even on a 4 core processor. Although if it's just applying a diff then it shouldn't be bad at all.
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Although I agree that this whole mess would have been avoided if it were not for the thoughtless, shortsited Millennials with no sense of history accepting anything new and "shiny" -- it's also the Red Hat executives who perpetrated the whole Pulse Audio, Gnome, systemd scam.
Now RH is in bed with Microsoft.
Thankfully, the realm is open source, so some of us have (with some difficulty at first) been able to navigate away from the mess (Devuan, Antix, MX, etc.).
cyclops (Score:1)
Gnome became the single button mouse of the GNU/Linux desktops. Please try to avoid single function bloatware solutions and prefer green computing with really optimized and smart solutions. Thank you.
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Gentoo Linux without systemd (using OpenRC) and without PulseAudio (just straight ALSA) is rock solid stable with no annoying quirks. You can still have a great Linux system. It just takes some setup work.
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I'm a Fedora 29 user, I'll wait a week before updating to 30.
systemd has NEVER given me any trouble at all ever since they first included it. So prone-to-breakage=no.
Pulse has had some issues in the past, that I had to muck around in pulse configuration files to fix, but has been fine since Fedora 17 for me. I recently installed Fedora on a new machine and didn't have to do a thing for pulse to work perfectly.
If pulse gives you silence, it's probably because your application is sending output to an output
DNF? (Score:1)
Do Not Fuck?
It's a serious question. I'm not a nerd.
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It is your "APP Store" in Fedora, kinda, but you need to know how to use a terminal. Non nerds can click of the "Software" icon.
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You're being pedantic in a rather aspie-ish way. The "shell" runs in a "terminal", and most people just use the verbal shorthand "terminal" when discussing the "shell" in the "terminal"
And don't go even further amounts of aspie on me and say that "terminal" only refers to a VT100 over a serial line or something. People use "terminal" as shorthand for "virtual terminal"
For example, someone might say "to alter your DIRCOLORS" open up a terminal and edit both /etc/DIR_COLORS and /etc/DIR_COLORS.256color as ne
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Your "accuracy" is still being overly aspie and pedantic. I don't need to "learn", I KNOW the shell is interactive capable, but most people use it via a terminal and use that terminology.
Let me say this again. The common terminology is TERMINAL. When someone hits the button to pop up rxvt or xfce-terminal they don't call it "starting up a shell in a terminal" they just say "opening a terminal" VERBAL SHORTHAND, do you understand it? It's the same reason people say "Linux" rathern than "Gnu/Linux" or a
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How many years was the Heartbleed SSL bug in the wild for? How many of these open source zealots spouted the many eyes argument all while installing SSL, tons.
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Desktop icons (Score:3)
Do I get my desktop icons back?
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If you want them, yes. You don't have to use a desktop environment without them. You have choices.
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There is a gnome plugin which reenables the desktop. It used to be a hidden setting in nautilus, but now it is an official plugin.
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Hoping for another great release (Score:3)
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> Reading the comments on Slashdot these days is really sad. It's just trolls and people arguing with the trolls.
This really is a larger trend on the Internet as a whole, unfortunately. Slashdot is amongst the worst (to be fair, it has always had trolls). I've been visiting for almost two decades, but it is mostly out of habit at this point. I don't expect to find informative editorials *or* useful comments.
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