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Fedora 30 Linux Distro Is Here (betanews.com) 128

Fedora 30, the newest release of the venerable Linux distribution that serves (in part) as the staging environment for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, was released Tuesday, bringing with it a number of improvements and performance optimizations. From a report: he most exciting aspect, for workstation/desktop users at least, is the update to GNOME 3.32. Of course, that is hardly the only notable update -- the DNF package manager is getting a performance boost, for instance. In other words, this is a significant operating system upgrade that should delight both existing Fedora users and beginners alike. "Fedora 30 brings enhancements to all editions with updates to the common underlying packages, from bug fixes and performance tweaks to new versions. In Fedora 30, base updates include Bash shell 5.0, Fish 3.0, the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) 9 and Ruby 2.6. Fedora 30 also now uses the zchunk format for data compression within the DNF repository. When metadata is compressed using zchunk DNF will only download the differences between earlier copies of metadata and the current versions, saving on resources and increasing efficiency," says The Fedora Project.
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  • wow (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @04:11PM (#58518378)

    Who cares. Seriously. I had just installed 29 in a VM. It did an upgrade on itself, or tried to, and did not reboot. This is out of the box, fresh off the boat, never touched by me, just installed maybe 3 days prior. I turn it on, it updates, *poof*, it shot itself in the head.

    I'm telling you, gnome is absolute rubbish. It's a total piece of shit that should die forever. You don't even have to scratch the surface of its source code more than 3 seconds before you see this. And that Qt-based KDE shit isn't that far behind it in the race to the bottom. They're both just shit piled on top of more shit. It's shit all the way down. One big ball of shit.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Sadly we only can agree.
      - the people who used Linux destops from the early 2000's

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I think we have gotten to the point where desktop Linux needs a fresh start. Everything but the kernel needs to be thrown out. This is like what Android did, but we need to target real desktop and laptop users instead of tiny cell phones.

      The first thing to do is to go back to Linux's Unix roots. But since C is now an outdated language, we should build the userland software using Rust. The first thing to rebuild is the shell. We can build it using Rust, and instead of using the archaic sh inspired language o

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Are you a developer of Rust?

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Who cares. Seriously. I had just installed 29 in a VM. It did an upgrade on itself, or tried to, and did not reboot. This is out of the box, fresh off the boat, never touched by me, just installed maybe 3 days prior. I turn it on, it updates, *poof*, it shot itself in the head.

      I'm telling you, gnome is absolute rubbish. It's a total piece of shit that should die forever. You don't even have to scratch the surface of its source code more than 3 seconds before you see this. And that Qt-based KDE shit isn't that far behind it in the race to the bottom. They're both just shit piled on top of more shit. It's shit all the way down. One big ball of shit.

      I installed Mint 19.0 on a new machine over the weekend and it updated itself to current patch level. Then I had the update program do an update to the Mint 19.1 release and the whole thing just worked. Out of the box fully updated in no time.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Nothing like that has happened to me, using Fedora. Though I am not running it in a virtual machine.

      And I am using the KDE spin. I don't understand the hate for KDE. I DO understand the hate for systemd, though I think it is unjustified.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I normally use Slackware but occasionally venture elsewhere for shits and giggles. Fedora is less of a piece of shit than Mint, and some others I've used. From what I can see, with the systemd crap, even the window manager is broken. I installed OpenBox (Fluxbox and Blackbox have been fundamentally broken for years now), and its behaviour is all screwy because everything is linked to all sorts of crap that has nothing to do with the WM. I'm trying to like Systemd, but it is fundamentally a piece if shit

      • Pulseaudio breaks a lot of fundamental things - I can't "su" to another user and get sound to work without all sorts of BS because pulseaudio is built with a single user mindset.

        The reason pulse runs as a user is security. You CAN run pulse in system mode but it is less secure. That shouldn't matter for most desktop use though.

        https://www.freedesktop.org/wi... [freedesktop.org]

    • Mhhh given that its been a while, but last time I had a look at the kde sourcecode it was absolutely cleanly structured and one of the best OO C++ code I have ever seen.
      Things might have changed with KDE 3 though. As for Gnome I had a look at the same time and back then KDE sort of was a copy of the already dreadful Win32 api things might have changed there as well and probably not for the worse.

    • by pnutjam ( 523990 )
      KDE works great in OpenSuse
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Gnome became the single button mouse of the GNU/Linux desktops. Please try to avoid single function bloatware solutions and prefer green computing with really optimized and smart solutions. Thank you.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Do Not Fuck?

    It's a serious question. I'm not a nerd.

    • You don't need to know the answer to this for a long, long, long time. Start by learning how to Google at a 5th graders level. From there learn the difference between hardware and software and applications versus operating systems.
    • It is your "APP Store" in Fedora, kinda, but you need to know how to use a terminal. Non nerds can click of the "Software" icon.

      • You just contradicted yourself, getting it right the second time. There is no need to use a *shell* (not a "terminal") ... you can if you want to, but you can get along just fine using the GUI tools.
        • You're being pedantic in a rather aspie-ish way. The "shell" runs in a "terminal", and most people just use the verbal shorthand "terminal" when discussing the "shell" in the "terminal"

          And don't go even further amounts of aspie on me and say that "terminal" only refers to a VT100 over a serial line or something. People use "terminal" as shorthand for "virtual terminal"

          For example, someone might say "to alter your DIRCOLORS" open up a terminal and edit both /etc/DIR_COLORS and /etc/DIR_COLORS.256color as ne

          • The shell does not need to attack to a try for interactive use. It can open a file, thus allowing scripting. I'm not being "pedantic". I'm being factually accurate so you can learn. If I had said anything about VT100 only that would have been absurd.
            • Your "accuracy" is still being overly aspie and pedantic. I don't need to "learn", I KNOW the shell is interactive capable, but most people use it via a terminal and use that terminology.

              Let me say this again. The common terminology is TERMINAL. When someone hits the button to pop up rxvt or xfce-terminal they don't call it "starting up a shell in a terminal" they just say "opening a terminal" VERBAL SHORTHAND, do you understand it? It's the same reason people say "Linux" rathern than "Gnu/Linux" or a

    • I must be really old - I first thought Duke Nukem Forever.
  • by swm ( 171547 ) <swmcd@world.std.com> on Tuesday April 30, 2019 @07:19PM (#58519166) Homepage

    Do I get my desktop icons back?

    • If you want them, yes. You don't have to use a desktop environment without them. You have choices.

    • There is a gnome plugin which reenables the desktop. It used to be a hidden setting in nautilus, but now it is an official plugin.

    • Fedora does support other desktop environments besides Gnome. Download one of the others.
  • by jon3k ( 691256 ) on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @07:48AM (#58521182)
    Reading the comments on Slashdot these days is really sad. It's just trolls and people arguing with the trolls. The best part of Slashdot used to be the comments. For what it's worth, as a long time Fedora user I'm looking forward to the new version. Fedora 29 has been a great, stable release for me and I'm excited to upgrade. Ten years ago I wouldn't consider attempting an upgrade (if it was even available? I can't remember back that far) but the dnf distro upgrades have worked really well for me, although I don't know if they are "officially supported" by Fedora yet. So here's to looking forward to this weekend for some nice weather, a cold beer and a successful upgrade (after a backup).
    • by Seq ( 653613 )

      > Reading the comments on Slashdot these days is really sad. It's just trolls and people arguing with the trolls.

      This really is a larger trend on the Internet as a whole, unfortunately. Slashdot is amongst the worst (to be fair, it has always had trolls). I've been visiting for almost two decades, but it is mostly out of habit at this point. I don't expect to find informative editorials *or* useful comments.

      At the time I'm writing this, there are 100 comments on this thread. Of those, 4 are expanded, and

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