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Adobe Resurrects Flash Player On Linux (neowin.net) 153

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Neowin: Four years ago, Adobe made a decision to stop updating the Flash Player package (NPAPI) on Linux, aside from delivering security patches. It has made an about turn on this decision in the last week and has said that it will keep it in sync with the modern release branch going forward. In its announcement, Adobe wrote: "In the past, we communicated that NPAPI Linux releases would stop in 2017. This is no longer the case and once we have performed sufficient testing and received community feedback, we will release both NPAPI and PPAPi Linux builds with their major version numbers in sync and on a regular basis." Although this is great news for Linux users who don't want to struggle to watch Flash content online, there also a few drawbacks. Adobe writes: "Because this change is primarily a security initiative, some features (like GPU 3D acceleration and premium video DRM) will not be fully implemented. If you require this functionality we recommend that you use the PPAPI version of Flash Player." You can download the new NPAPI binaries from the Adobe Labs download page.
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Adobe Resurrects Flash Player On Linux

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  • Brains! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 05, 2016 @04:24PM (#52831003)

    Must feed...

  • Who wants this? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ErikTheRed ( 162431 ) on Monday September 05, 2016 @04:25PM (#52831011) Homepage

    Adobe Flash is pretty much just an ongoing security vulnerability that lets people watch videos on obsolete web sites, occasionally used by companies that have such complete and utter contempt for the security of their customers that they use it as a shoddy shortcut in web development (looking at you, VMWare, ADP, and others).

    • Re:Who wants this? (Score:5, Informative)

      by ZorinLynx ( 31751 ) on Monday September 05, 2016 @04:32PM (#52831037) Homepage

      >occasionally used by companies that have such complete and utter contempt for the security of their customers

      Google is among them. Flash is required for Play Music.

      It's one of those things that made my jaw drop when I noticed. You'd think Google would know better!

      • Re:Who wants this? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Monday September 05, 2016 @04:35PM (#52831047) Homepage Journal

        knowing != caring.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Google is so large and running so many "beta" projects they don't know what's going on outside of search, email, and youtube.

      • Re:Who wants this? (Score:5, Informative)

        by geek ( 5680 ) on Monday September 05, 2016 @05:32PM (#52831231)

        >occasionally used by companies that have such complete and utter contempt for the security of their customers

        Google is among them. Flash is required for Play Music.

        It's one of those things that made my jaw drop when I noticed. You'd think Google would know better!

        Google doesn't have a choice. The music labels require the flash DRM to stream music. Google had an HTML5 option in the settings but its been greyed out for about a year because the labels had a hissy fit.

        • by tepples ( 727027 )

          The music labels require the flash DRM to stream music. Google had an HTML5 option in the settings but its been greyed out for about a year because the labels had a hissy fit.

          Was this hissy fit prior to the availability of the Widevine CDM for HTML5 EME? (Google owns Widevine.)

        • I though it was because they had moved everything to HTML5?

        • by Anonymous Coward

          There must be more to it than that, because HTML5 CDMs are now able to do that job without Flash (and have been for years). Flash is simply not required anymore for anything except legacy content that cannot be easily converted to modern technologies (and that's counting Adobe's own conversion tools, etc).

          This is honestly sounding more like Google and Adobe wanting to make one last push to keep Flash relevant, because Flash is a useful way to upsell Chrome. After all, the NPAPI version of Flash is intention

      • Spotify as well in their web player.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        >occasionally used by companies that have such complete and utter contempt for the security of their customers

        Google is among them. Flash is required for Play Music.

        It's one of those things that made my jaw drop when I noticed. You'd think Google would know better!

        Bull shit. That is one of the major reasons, I use Google Play Music, because it does NOT require flash. *Checks browser* Yup. Flash disabled.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        No it isn't. I use Play Music on my phone and tablet all of the time and neither of them have ever had Flash installed.

      • by olau ( 314197 )

        Google Finance is also using Flash-based charts.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Probably Adobe's marketing. They realized that while the Linux userbase is small comparatively, it's a bad idea to have any significant number of users to go long periods with no interactions with any of their products. (If you have a class of users that never touch your products, they're unlikely to do so in the future. Sort of like the struggles some American automakers have had getting people to even consider their cars after buying Japanese cars for so long.) Since the only brand-facing product they've

    • Re:Who wants this? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by somenickname ( 1270442 ) on Monday September 05, 2016 @06:25PM (#52831415)

      Almost no one wants or cares about this. I've been Flash-free for several years now and it's very rare to run into any kind of issue. If you do run into a website that needs flash, treat it the same way you'd treat a website that requires you to turn off your ad blocker: Go somewhere else.

      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        What's the alternative to Dagobah, Albino Blacksheep, Newgrounds, and Weebl's Stuff? To which "somewhere else" do you refer?

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Your "but how will I watch my favorite turn-of-the-century Flash cartoons?" spiel is getting old. I don't see you complaining that you can't run NES software natively on current platforms, you emulate/virtualize or you keep the old hardware in service, that's how things are. Same for Flash cartoons, if you like them you'll always find a way to keep enjoying them, but the vast majority of the world out there doesn't care at all no matter how much you whine about it.

          • by tepples ( 727027 )

            I am aware of the possibility to run Flash Player in a VM. I was referring to somenickname's suggestion to "Go somewhere else" rather than doing so.

            • I am aware of the possibility to run Flash Player in a VM. I was referring to somenickname's suggestion to "Go somewhere else" rather than doing so.

              And, what I mean was, vote with your e-mails/visits. If a site that you really want to visit requires flash, send them an e-mail and tell them that you've taken your business to a competitor because Flash is too risky to use. Probably won't take too many e-mails before they start trying to get their shit together.

        • Nobody cares about that crap.
      • The thing that made me get rid of flash was that sites like youtube would default to flash, and I was having so many playback issues I canned it.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Trogre ( 513942 )

      Games. Flash games.

      While the performance of Flash is not on par with native compiled code, it still outperforms AJAX/HTML5 solutions by orders of magnitude.

      Of course, one still needs to change the rendering quality to Medium from the default High, since the over-zealous anti-aliasing always makes the result slower than it should be.

      But yes, there's no need to use it for video any more, and there is DEFINITELY no need for it in site navigation (nor has there ever been).

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Games. Flash games. While the performance of Flash is not on par with native compiled code, it still outperforms AJAX/HTML5 solutions by orders of magnitude.

        I don't know where you got that idea from. HTML5 and WebGL are plenty fast enough [unity3d.com]. HTML5 games like HexGL [bkcore.com] and Ga.me [ga.me] have been around for a long time and work well. Even Disney uses WebGL a lot for their online games, like the Star Wars Aracde games.

        • WebGL

          From get.webgl.org [webgl.org]:

          Hmm. While your browser seems to support WebGL, it is disabled or unavailable. If possible, please ensure that you are running the latest drivers for your video card.

          It turns out that WebGL requires at least OpenGL 2.0, and the Intel GMA 3150 in my laptop is stuck on OpenGL 1.4. WebGL should be fine if you know PC users will come in with at least Intel HD Graphics (the successor to GMA), if not NVIDIA or AMD graphics.

    • I thought Mozilla was going to remove NPAPI plugin functionality [mozilla.org]. As is Chrome if they did not do it already. Adobe regularly does interesting things like this. Releasing "new" software just when an API is going to get deprecated. (Carbon anyone?).

    • VMWare and ADP are corporate oriented.

      Of course some asshole needs IE 6 support because he doesn't want to offend the director of IT who purchased that ERP app that only works with IE 6 because that developer has another client which has to use IE 6 because of an app another customer uses etc.

      IE 6 and 8 are like herpes. The gift that keeps on giving as one when customer has it their suppliers, users, and developers demand IE 6 which in turns others and so on.

      So what do you do if your clients want the latest

    • by short ( 66530 )
      Google requires Flash for any adjustment of YouTube videos during their upload.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 05, 2016 @04:29PM (#52831025)

    it is undead.

  • Will no one rid me of this turbulent program?

  • Flash is dying and i cannot wait to witness its rotten, fly-ridden corpse.

    • Flash is dying and i cannot wait to witness its rotten, fly-ridden corpse.

      I would rather not see that, the miasma puts me in a bad mood. Would be better if it just vanished as if it had never existed. Then again EME and its CDM plugins that has replaced Flash for encrypted media are not much of an improvement.

      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        Unless you're of the opinion "digital restrictions management should not exist, and therefore rentals and subscriptions should not exist", how is CDM "not much of an improvement" over Flash Player? The CDM is a much smaller piece of code with a much smaller scope than the entirety of Flash Player. It also runs in a sandbox [mozilla.org] that can only do a few things, such as receive encrypted data from the browser and send decrypted and decoded video to the operating system.

        • Not to mention the fact that CDM is exclusively for delivering non-free DRM content where Flash was a non-free software platform used to deliver both free and non-free content. It really only existed to compensate for the deficiencies of HTML, but with HTML5 we have pretty much everything Flash could do and more but as an added bonus it is compatmentalized so if you're opposed to non-free content and software then all you have to do is remove the CDM.
    • by Gort65 ( 1464371 )

      Flash is dying and i cannot wait to witness its rotten, fly-ridden corpse.

      Again and again and again and again and again and...

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

        Flash doesn't work on phone or Android which is where the market is heading. HTML 5 and now AMD and intel accelerated VP 9 and h.265 support means better battery life and performance.

        You are a fellow IT geek who supports desktop users like myself and we both seen what a nightmare plugins like Java and Flash can be when never updated with drive thru installs.

        The problem I do not like about flash is it is an executable. Flashscript was used so people could make IE 6 look cutting edge as a workaround for corpo

      • From what understand Mozilla is working hard to make sure EME will work with firefox under linux... It'll still require binary blobs, but these can be downloaded automatically and will run completely sandboxed.

        Mozilla took a lot of fire for the decision to support EME, but in reality the alternative is that DRM'ed content will only be available on Windows/OS X/IOS/Android/ChromeOS using IE/saferi/chrome.
        Yes, EME is still a sad practical choice, but at least the linux desktop will continue to be a viable
      • In 5 years we'll likely do the same we do now: use HTML5.

    • It has been a rotten, fly-ridden corpse for years. Sadly they just won't bury the bastard and let us rid the world of its sad stench.
    • by donaldm ( 919619 )

      Flash is dying and i cannot wait to witness its rotten, fly-ridden corpse.

      You realise that we will have to get a twelve gauge shotgun for when it rises again and the smell will be terrible.

      Incineration is the only way to be sure.

  • by Chewbacon ( 797801 ) on Monday September 05, 2016 @04:50PM (#52831097)

    Why won't you JUST DIE?

  • Adobe who? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Groo Wanderer ( 180806 ) <charlie@@@semiaccurate...com> on Monday September 05, 2016 @04:53PM (#52831105) Homepage

    Given their attitude, horrific user 'support', painful and extortionist pricing, repeatedly screwing over of entire platforms, and other customer indignities, I am Beyond caring about them. The world has moved on, no one cares about this dying platform any more.

    While I was slightly interested in new updates, the fact that they removed the two features that would be useful to me on the builds I need shattered that faint hope. I should have known better than to expect functionality much less quality from Adobe. All this seems to be is that someone figured out it was less work, and therefore cheaper, to keep up with Linux builds than to update a years old code base that no one remembers how to patch. It isn't largesse, it is CYA on security

    I would say I told you so, but when they announced a pullback on platforms ~4-5 years ago I did tell them so. All my friends there laughed and said I didn't have a clue. Within six months they had all quit. Within 2 years, Flash was walking dead, everyone with a stake in the market had solidified the alternatives and it was just a matter of time. Now they are trying to spin cost savings as a step in the right direction. The corpse is rotting but still managing to do PR, let it die the lonely death it deservers. Nothing to see here, move along.

  • Doesn't Linux Chrome have an integrated Flash player?

  • by Zombie Ryushu ( 803103 ) on Monday September 05, 2016 @05:41PM (#52831263)

    Note they mention that it won't support DRM Flash. In order to use DRM Flash on Linux you still have to get the PPAPI Plugin that comes with ChromeBooks.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I use this [debian.org] to use PPAPI flash in Firefox in Debian, for what is NPAPI needed?

    • by Doke ( 23992 )

      I use freshplayerplugin to run pepperflash in PaleMoon. It gives me a better interface to VMware vCenter than Chrome, because I can set the an external application to open VM consoles in VMplayer. Chrome insists on opening them as additional flash windows. The flash console windows don't pass CTRL-C and other such characters.

  • since HTML-v5 has been playing videos at most websites so nicely, i see no point in keeping the flash plugin around, the only people that use it nowadays are god damn advertisers spamming monkeys in adbars trying to distract you from more important things of interest, to hell with adobe i have no interest in any of their products
  • I guess all those complaints about "Your Video Doesn't Work!!!" finally got to Reuters.
    Or they finally just noticed the years of complaints and sent an email off to ADB.

  • I wish they would have revived Acrobat Reader for Linux. I need it for sites that use XFA Form submission.

    • by tepples ( 727027 )

      I'm told Evince and Okular can fill in PDF forms. Or can they fill them in but just not submit them?

  • Now that we have completely updated flash, the year of the Linux desktop has finally arrived!
  • All modern browsers should actively block it.
    ISP gateways/proxies should block it.

    Flash is an evil horrid nightmare that needs to just DIE already.

  • by lapm ( 750202 )
    Who would want flash player thats every new version is worse then previous ones... And now we have HTML5 t replace flash entirely...
  • I just got the PPAPI version working in Firefox last night. That said, I'm still glad they're updating the NPAPI version so I have the option of not installing Chrome to get a current Flash plugin.

  • Please please please kill off this crap
  • please smite with furious vengeance any websites still using/requiring this piece of bug-ridden crap.

  • Screw your flash player. Let's have some real apps.

  • The only things I ever use Flash for anymore are Pandora radio and VMware vCenter. I've almost gotten rid of Pandora's Flash by switching to pianobar https://6xq.net/pianobar/. It handles normal playing. It won't do the more advanced things like editing a station, adding variety, etc.

    I don't have a solution for vCenter. I did, at least, get freshplayerplugin to run pepperflash under Palemoon. That lets me specify an external app (vmplayer) to open console windows. Chrome insists on opening the conso

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