OwnCloud Server 9.0 Officially Released (softpedia.com) 82
prisoninmate writes: OwnCloud Server 9.0 is without any doubt the biggest release of the world's leading file sharing and sync solution, which is used by over 8 million users around the globe. It promises to bring the collaboration and federation features to new levels thanks to the addition of new, innovative tools, as well as to improve the software's scalability. One of ownCloud 9.0's new features is code signing, which promises to offer users with a safer home for all their data by verifying the integrity of their ownCloud installations during upgrades or when installing apps, which also need to follow the new code signing specifications. The community edition of ownCloud Server 9.0 is available for download right now via Softpedia as a source package that you can deploy on your Linux kernal-based server, or straight from the project's website as binary packages for various GNU/Linux operating systems. OwnCloud Server 9.0 Enterprise Edition will be released in April 2016.
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Can you show me where to download the dropbox server install then? Not the client. The actual server.
Re:Misleading press release masquerading as story (Score:4, Funny)
Is that a docker interface?
Does it scale better now? (Score:2, Interesting)
One of Owncloud's key failings in the past is that it has a horrible time dealing with a share that has tens of thousands of files in it. (Seafile, OTOH, deals with that easily.)
Has its sync improved in the last few years, or is it still limited to less then a few thousand files per share?
Re:Does it scale better now? (Score:5, Funny)
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> It is world leading.
It may be world leading, but is it web-scale?
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... or just install Seafile instead. I use an RPi for my server, which then mounts storage over NFS. The whole hosting is thus self-contained running of a single SD-card on an RPi.
And is still plenty fast.
I see no benefit with ownCloud. Also less secure than Seafile.
http://seafile.com/ [seafile.com]
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My comment was based in that Seafile [can have] client side encryption. Has ownCloud added that now? Else I don't see how your comment negates that fact.
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Or you could post the direct links. (Score:5, Informative)
Ironic, since the news mentions code signings and you're pointing us to Softpedia.
News: https://owncloud.org/nine/
Download: https://owncloud.org/install
Is this an ad? (Score:5, Informative)
Is this an ad? Because it sure reads like an ad.
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If you follow the story link, it has a brown bar.
This "prisoninmate" seems to have a 100% submission history.
Guess it's an in-house (maybe "outhouse"?) spam submitter account.
Captcha: "disobey" OK, will do...
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The softpedia link puts some stink on the story. Otherwise, yes, this appears to be a fairly inoffensive story about an open source alternative to Dropbox et al. It's gotten to the point where being mentioned on Slashdot is bad thing; it's assumed to be a slashvertishment for some commercial unicorn wannabe.
Vote for Hillary (Score:1)
She uses owncloud for all her to secret documents. Because ya know...when you need to share 'em.
Why link to softpedia? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why do all the link point to the scumbags at softpedia, instead of to owncloud.org?
Don't forget about SeaFile (Score:5, Interesting)
SeaFile is OwnCloud (which are both basically DropBox), except, Sea is a play-on for C programming language (and some Python). So it's way fast. OwnCloud is written in PHP and you get what you pay for in performance as a result.
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Although I agree with you, Owncloud is a much more feature rich system than Seafile. Owncloud can be your caldav server for synchronizing calendar clients (e.g. thunderbird or solcalendar on android). Owncloud can be your OPDS server for accessing all of your ebooks remotely using any OPDS compatible ebook reader.
However, I have personally abandoned Owncloud. It is way too much of a pain to upgrade (running it on a Freenas system). The built in automatic updater never works. Manual updates are fraugh
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SeaFile is about 8x faster than OwnCloud when running on something like a Raspberry Pi. Using a Pi as a file server is an awful idea due to a number of issues with bus sharing but it's a fantastic example to show how much of a cow OwnCloud is from a performance standpoint.
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Owncloud has more features
Seafile is faster
Of course it is faster, it can't do half the shit Owncloud can. SeaFile is also damn expensive, 44 euro per user per year for file sharing software; Dropbox costs less than that for the pro version.
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Well, in all fairness, there's a open source version, though it is rather limited, and the project itself seems to slowly wither away.
Re:Don't forget about SeaFile (Score:5, Insightful)
I abandoned Owncloud shortly after installing when I discovered like all free software of this type I have evaluated it had no fucking idea about operating on your normal home directory without purchasing the "enterprise" version and then some horrible kludges.
The whole think is clearly written by a bunch of web jocks who have no fucking idea about Unix development and want to reinvent the bloody wheel.
I have a user model and file system that I trust to get the permissions things right. I don't trust some crappy PHP code to do it correctly, and I don't fucking want to have all my files in Owncloud separate from my normal home directory because what's the fucking point in that and then stored under the Apache user in /var. It's a total fucking joke.
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If you want a "private youtube" then Plex or Emby(aka MediaBrowser) make far more sense and do everything that you want.
My criticism of OwnCloud, Seafile and all the similar products I have seen in this space is that they have literally been written by web jocks who have no fucking idea about doing this sort of thing properly.
It would be like if Samba stored all your files for your home directory under /var/samba all owned by the samba user and then maintained a database of actual owners and permissions.
The
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Sorry, ownCloud currently does no transcoding and things like that. While such functions could be added, it isn't there today. It can play videos - by providing them to your browser. Works for most formats, but not perfect. The music player is cool but doesn't scale, at least not to my collection (100 GB mp3's).
This is mostly meant as a 'file sync and share', that's the base of ownCloud: make your files available wherever you are, and wherever those files are (you can mount ftp, samba, webdav, dropbox and o
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Well, it depends on what you want I suppose. ownCloud does a lot of things with external storage, where we obviously have to store information about the files to offer search, sharing and all the other functionality. ownCloud 9.0 actually introduces the ability for ownCloud to use such features in the filesystem if they're there - or at least, a API to make the storage plugins do that. This is needed as we want to scale through the Petabyte storage barrier - see https://opensource.com/busines... [opensource.com]
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I quote from the landing page for ownCloud "A safe home for all your data. Access & share your files, calendars, contacts, mail & more from any device, on your terms". It's on big letters plastered across the page.
I have a server at home it has my home directory on, NFS/Samba shared to machines in my house. The reasonable expectation is that ownCloud will let me access those same files.
However even if I was misconstrued into what ownCloud was I would still fucking rail at the developers for developi
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Hmm, I wrote the page, but didn't expect somebody to take the "a safe home for all your data" to mean you can sync your entire home. ownCloud is a replacement for the big proprietary end user 'clouds' like Google, Dropbox etc - give it one or multiple folders and the sync client syncs them between devices; you can share files, comment on them in the web UI, edit them online or locally and so on.
Sharing an entire home folder on Linux, no, that won't work. Lots of 'special' files and folders that won't be syn
SeaFile vs Ownclowd (tried both) (Score:2)
I have tried both. I find Seafile far superior to Owncloud, in terms of features, and speed.
But, Ownclowd runs on a standard $10 a year webhost. Whereas, Seafile requires python, and deep access to the webserver.
Practically none of the plugins for Ownclowd work correctly. Also, Ownclowd does not have markdown, whereas as Seafile has an excellent markdown implementation.
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Speed sure, but features?
I looked at SeaFile's website but their feature set seems to be entirely about file sync. That's all well and good, but my crew primarily uses ownCloud to do contact, task, and calendar sharing, doc editing (sometimes), and gallery/picture sharing. All plugins. It is kinda a shame about the markdown support not working in Notes though.
And it's pretty fast if you've tuned the webserver properly.
Re: Don't forget about SeaFile (Score:2)
Does Owncloud handle symlinks? Seafile can't seem to understand we need files, directories , and links. All modern filesystems work this way.
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The ownCloud (Linux) client does not support symlinks. I wish it did, believe me. There's not even an option, and it doesn't treat them like normal files. But as it is, I just have to reverse-symlink (file lives in ownCloud, symlink lives elsewhere and points back to it).
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The reason we don't support it is because it woudn't work on all platforms. Seriously, yes. If you know of a decent solution - let us know.
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All modern filesystems (Even NTFS) handles symlinks. If mobile is the issue, then treat links like their target type (file or directory), like everyone else has since the inception of links.
At least give us (users) the option to ignore links or treat them like normal (maybe with a warning about it not working on mobile or whatever platform is giving you heartburn).
Slashdot's New Owner Was Supposed to Improve It (Score:5, Informative)
Remember, hey it was just last month, how Slashdot's new owner said they'd listen to us, and get rid of the problems that had cropped up with Dice, etc.?
Well, listen guys. This doesn't have a red bar or any indication that it's paid, but it's obviously a press release, it points to people we don't trust for file downloads rather than the people who make the software that is being discussed, and it contains obvious falsehoods (like OwnCloud's acceptance next to things like DropBox).
So, this is just an isolated problem that slipped through the cracks, right?
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You must trademark your project name to fight this sort of abuse, and have an acceptable use policy for the mark. Open Source licensing was not meant to fight this, but Open Source does work along with a trademark.
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True but it's an announcement of a new release of software that people on this site are interested in and so it would have fit in on Slashdot at any time since this site started. The rest can be put down to nothing more malicious than poor editing and may even end up being fixed.
Re: Slashdot's New Owner Was Supposed to Improve I (Score:5, Insightful)
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Whoever it is, is a user that has only ever submitted links to Softpedia...
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Maybe its been edited since you read it but the summary contains links to the developer as well now. It even points out that the binaries have been compiled by softpedia.
Personally I don't have a problem with this article. It is about a great piece of software that lots of us have a use for. Ideally it wouldn't have come via softpedia but that doesn't make the news not worthy.
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"It even points out that the binaries have been compiled by softpedia."
Binaries!? AFAIK OwnCloud is 100% PHP code.
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One of the goals was not to do the same old stuff, especially where it was stuff that Tio Paco did 19 years ago that doesn't have any relevancy to today. So, quality content from real people was what interested me. Not really being a news integrator at all. And then I ended up with another, more interesting, project.
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but it's obviously a press release
90% of news IS a press release. If you judge by that metric you may as well shut down slashdot.
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No, you'd shut down PR Newswire [prnewswire.com]. Editors and reporters may be incited to cover a story by PR people, but they are supposed to report the story rather than simply repeat the propaganda.
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Slashdot is a news aggregator, not investigative journalism. The purpose of this site is and always has been repeat propaganda be it from corporations or someone else with an agenda. The exception is Ask Slashdot columns.
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Read what you wrote. Slashdot is a news aggregator. News is different from press releases. News is carried by news sites. Press releases are carried by a corporation's own web site and by venues like PR newswire.
Slashdot editors have mostly been smart enough to be able to tell one from the other, up until now. If they aren't able to do that, they aren't going to hold the audience either.
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News is different from press releases. News is carried by news sites. Press releases are carried by a corporation's own web site and by venues like PR newswire.
Errr not even close. Do you even understand what the "press" part of "press release" means?
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Yes. I have a professional PR person who does my press placements and am married to another, and discuss their work quite a lot. Press releases are meant to incite a news venue to create a story. Corporations also make announcements on their web sites. But everyone should know that these things are in general hyperbolic if they don't just plain lie. So, in general any self-respecting person of normal competence working in a press venue will not copy these things, but will write their own story.
Slashdot has
ODF shared editing (Score:2)
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It's been improved but the company and community behind it are nearly dead (it wasn't primarily developed by ownCloud). So things were quiet until - Liberoffice Online came along and now Collabora is working on integrating that in ownCloud ;-)
9.0 Upgrade has been a disaster (Score:2)
I'm getting like plenty of other users (as reported on github) TableExistsException when doing what is really a vanilla upgrade for a minimal system with one user... So I'm stuck; other than that there are tons of other 9.0 bugs reported...
Feature-wise it was really underwhelming, I've been expecting quite a few more things from it, especially that it has been for years mentioned on slashdot. Online editing exists only for plain texts, even previews on documents are really hard to get. Thumbnails on pdf's (