Fedora 23 Final May Release As Planned On October 27 65
An anonymous reader writes: Updating a full OS distribution is no small task so it is usually no surprise that even a 5-6 month schedule may tend to get pushed back to address issues. However, the Fedora 23 release schedule made it through the Alpha, Beta and Final freeze periods so far on time. This has been accomplished despite having to address plenty of Alpha Blocker and Beta Blocker bugs. Now all that is left is to clear existing and future Final Blocker bugs in the next two weeks. The release of Fedora 23 will provide some nice incremental updates and should result in the end of life of Fedora 21 around the end of November.
But the real question is... (Score:2)
can we now run Gnome3 over VNC without the "Oh No! Something has gone wrong." message?
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Umm, no. The problem has nothing to do with graphics, really, or how Gnome 3 is written. It appears to be an issue with PAM and session management when launching the desktop inside of Xvnc. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sh... [redhat.com] . As to why it's been broken for so long, I don't know. And it appears to still be broken, though there are some config files you can edit that seem to make it work. I imagine not many people remote over VNC. And no idea if Gnome3 works over X2Go but I would think it does.
Gnome 3's
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Only the broken ones from lazy developers. Toolkits such as the one in enlightenment are not broken in that way, as are several others.
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You'll have to explain just what you are talking about. Are you saying that Enlightenment uses server-side X11 widgets (no anti-aliasing, and no compositing)? No I don't think so. Everything is rendered client-side and pushed to the server just like every other toolkit. And there are good reasons for all this. As well, protocols like RDP do a pretty darn good job at remoting the result. VNC works alright, certainly Xvnc is much faster than windows-based vnc servers.
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Round-trips are simply a function of the X11 asynchronous protocol, as well as the server/client nature of X11. Has nothing to do with how good or bad GTK programmers are. If as you say EFL is using OpenGL, then it's bypassing most of the X11 protocol, which is a great optimization for local apps. And if you remote an OpenGL window, and all the rendering is client-side anyway (which is the case for remote OpenGL if I'm not mistaken) then the remote server is just going to get a bitmap anyway. So I see it
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Among other things OpenGL, which X was moving far better than screen scraping in the year 2000 FFS.
Obligatory systemd comment (Score:4, Funny)
But blah blah systemd blah blah Why, I've already migrated all of the servers in my basement to FreeBSD but I feel obligated to keep blah blahing about systemd blah blah.
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You are joking, but to be fair - this is a submission about an upcoming software release that may happen on time. In itself, it's about as newsworthy and interesting as Soulskill's upcoming lunch schedule. Why else does this submission exist, if not to provide a chance to complain about systemd?*
*I started to append "or one of its other components", but the. Remembered that systemd now encompasses pretty much every function of the OS.
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So I'll be updating on october 27th... and if things stay as ugly as they are after the disastrous 20->22 upgrade, I'll be migrating away on october 28th.
Never had a problem and in fact going from Fedora 20 to 21 was incredibly quick (about 45 minutes), likewise going from Fedora 21 to 22. Of course it does help when you keep your system file-systems separate from your user file-systems which I sized allowing room for expansion years ago.
For me to go from Fedora 20 to Fedora 22 would take approx 45 minutes including customization with 20 minutes for additional applications and about an hour for updates. Why? because I don't do upgrades I do a fresh install
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I upgraded my laptop from Fedora 20 to Fedora 22 with great difficulty. I do a complete re-install of my OS on its partition, as you note. My main problems were that the wireless did not work during the intall, and that Bluetooth did not work once I was installed. It all is working very nicely now, but I have been running Linux for over twenty years. Fedora 20 could be installed by an ordinary mortal. Fedora 22 requires a second computer with an internet connection, and some geek skills.
Fedora 22 would
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Who ever interacts with the init system on a desktop?
It does not solve your sound or graphics problems or game and application compatibility, and it's arcane enough that you might as well uninstall a daemon instead of disabling it, on the once every two years occurrence you might need to do it.
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Someone who can't get their computer to boot due to detecting a mouse dongle causing the entire init sequence to hang for hours (CentOS7) instead of the old init on the same machine that would just complain and move on if it couldn't work out what to do.
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Who ever interacts with the init system on a desktop?
It does not solve your sound or graphics problems or game and application compatibility, and it's arcane enough that you might as well uninstall a daemon instead of disabling it, on the once every two years occurrence you might need to do it.
Well, actually, it gets into fights with USB devices and network shares totally blocking booting where earlier releases would simply boot degraded.
Then I get into fights with it, because its version of "single-user" diagnose/repair mode isn't as straightforward as the old-time "runlevel 1" option. Not all of the system resources that runlevel 1 offered are up and available in systemd recovery.
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You haven't noticed that the logs are __binary__?
So run rsyslog - anything logged to journald after rsyslog starts gets written to /var/log/messages - just like before. You can even tweak your unit files to start rsyslog as soon as your disks are mounted.
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I'm with you, haven't had any trouble with it, I'm running Fedora 22 by the way which has had systemd since what? F14? You can even use the old "service" commands if you want because they redirect to systemd.
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Well, actually, it gets into fights with USB devices and network shares
What kind of USB devices and network shares?
Then I get into fights with it, because its version of "single-user" diagnose/repair mode isn't as straightforward as the old-time "runlevel 1" option.
Can't you still boot to the "old-time runlevel 1" via adding "single" to the end of the grub boot line at boot?
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Sometimes. I've had it work and not work (I've had to use init=/bin/bash quite a few times).
Wrong month (Score:2)
I have to wait again (Score:1)
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Fedora 24 will be next May; we don't really do point releases, but I guess if you apply patches sometime in July you could call it Fedora 24 1/4.
Insert negative comment about Fedora .. (Score:2)
Plasma 5 fiasco (Score:4, Informative)
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I have been running Fedora since Fedora Core 7 and the only major issue that I had was KDE 4.0. Basically I had no choice since my wife was getting annoyed but to switch to Gnome at the time although when KDE4.1 came out I switched us back.
Basically I have never done a Fedora upgrade since I always do a fresh install because that is the fastest way (at least for me) of going from one major release to another. I actually do this for commercial Unix/Linux machines (HPUX, AIX, Solaris and Redhat) when moving f
Re:Fedora LTS (Score:4, Insightful)
Isn't it called CentOS?
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No it is called RHEL, which CentOS is based on.
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Isn't it called CentOS?
Though CentOS/RHEL is targeted much more at business. A lot of recreational stuff only ends up in the Fedora repos because that's what all the home users use.
Personally I stick to Fedora for my home box, I haven't had issues with upgrades and they're pretty easy to perform.
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You need to update _only_ once a year. They support the current and previous version.
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Fedora really needs a LTS version. I like fedora for its cutting edge features, however its really painful to keep ugrading OS every 6 months. Before the year is over, you have to start worrying about end if life cycle. Even if fedora releases were scheduled for once a year, it would be much better.. At least you will get two years of support. 5-6 month timeline is crazy.
An hour or so of your time approximately every six months for a major release. Please hand in your geek credibility :-)
Last Fedora released on time? (Score:1)
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When was the last Fedora released on time? 11-22 all had delays
Personally I don't mind a delay since I know it will work when it does ship. I did have an issue with KDE 4.0 which was easily fixed by moving to Gnome until KDE 4.1 came out, but that wasn't Fedora's fault.
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This is basically due to a misconception around the Fedora release policy. Some projects work on a strict calendar basis; others work on "release when ready". Fedora has always had a hybrid approach. We aim for a certain target, but we're integrating a huge amount of upstream software over which we mostly have little control, and it's almost inevitable that something isn't up to standards at that time.
PS: We're slipping a week for F23. :)
Why the anticipatory news? (Score:2)
When a system with a rolling release schedule like this _actually_ ships, that's (barely) news because now I can install it. Even more newsworthy is when it misses a release, because then you're plausibly talking about a hard-to-solve problem of some sort. But why would "The planned release will happen on schedule" be news worthy of any sort of general audience? I use Ubuntu, but I don't follow the day-to-day trials of stabilizing the next release because, honestly, it hardly matters which specific versi
What makes this news front page material? (Score:1)
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Re: Can you upgrade without reinstalling yet? (Score:1)
I've got a fairly large network based on Fedora. Starting from VMs, netbook, notebooks, desktops up to high end 4S Xeon servers.
Some of them have been running Fedora since F12... (Upgraded every six months).
All I can say that F21 to F22 was non-issue (even the upgrade to Plasma 2 / KDE5 didn't really upset my users...)
Gilboa