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Fedora 23 Final May Release As Planned On October 27 65

An anonymous reader writes: Updating a full OS distribution is no small task so it is usually no surprise that even a 5-6 month schedule may tend to get pushed back to address issues. However, the Fedora 23 release schedule made it through the Alpha, Beta and Final freeze periods so far on time. This has been accomplished despite having to address plenty of Alpha Blocker and Beta Blocker bugs. Now all that is left is to clear existing and future Final Blocker bugs in the next two weeks. The release of Fedora 23 will provide some nice incremental updates and should result in the end of life of Fedora 21 around the end of November.
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Fedora 23 Final May Release As Planned On October 27

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  • can we now run Gnome3 over VNC without the "Oh No! Something has gone wrong." message?

    • by dbIII ( 701233 )
      Run gnome2 and then you can use X remotely at full speed instead. All that "modern X just spams remote sessions with bitmaps" stuff is about how badly gnome3 is written and how it spams your local screen with bitmaps and can only get away with it due to standard graphics hardware now being enough for a year 2000 professional flight simulator.
      • by caseih ( 160668 )

        Umm, no. The problem has nothing to do with graphics, really, or how Gnome 3 is written. It appears to be an issue with PAM and session management when launching the desktop inside of Xvnc. [] . As to why it's been broken for so long, I don't know. And it appears to still be broken, though there are some config files you can edit that seem to make it work. I imagine not many people remote over VNC. And no idea if Gnome3 works over X2Go but I would think it does.

        Gnome 3's

        • by dbIII ( 701233 )
          My suggestion was to use real X, but it's sloooow for things like the new gedit, hence a push towards using VNC on linux instead of fixing the gnome widgets. It doesn't help if VNC is broken as well though, but x11vnc is a different implementation that should avoid the bug you describe.

          pretty much how all toolkits work today

          Only the broken ones from lazy developers. Toolkits such as the one in enlightenment are not broken in that way, as are several others.

          • by caseih ( 160668 )

            You'll have to explain just what you are talking about. Are you saying that Enlightenment uses server-side X11 widgets (no anti-aliasing, and no compositing)? No I don't think so. Everything is rendered client-side and pushed to the server just like every other toolkit. And there are good reasons for all this. As well, protocols like RDP do a pretty darn good job at remoting the result. VNC works alright, certainly Xvnc is much faster than windows-based vnc servers.

            • by dbIII ( 701233 )
              It's easy to work out what I'm writing about by just reading - the "modern X just spams remote sessions with bitmaps" is inaccurate with toolkits written well enough to stop sending the same stuff over and over without pointless waiting and needless bottlenecks. The gnome stuff is currently shit and is only usable locally because quick hardware takes up the slack. If you try to send it down the wire or don't have quick hardware that gnome shit of sending the same stuff over and over makes things very slow
              • by caseih ( 160668 )

                Round-trips are simply a function of the X11 asynchronous protocol, as well as the server/client nature of X11. Has nothing to do with how good or bad GTK programmers are. If as you say EFL is using OpenGL, then it's bypassing most of the X11 protocol, which is a great optimization for local apps. And if you remote an OpenGL window, and all the rendering is client-side anyway (which is the case for remote OpenGL if I'm not mistaken) then the remote server is just going to get a bitmap anyway. So I see it

            • by dbIII ( 701233 )

              Are you saying that Enlightenment uses

              Among other things OpenGL, which X was moving far better than screen scraping in the year 2000 FFS.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 14, 2015 @05:33AM (#50724221)

    But blah blah systemd blah blah Why, I've already migrated all of the servers in my basement to FreeBSD but I feel obligated to keep blah blahing about systemd blah blah.

    • You are joking, but to be fair - this is a submission about an upcoming software release that may happen on time. In itself, it's about as newsworthy and interesting as Soulskill's upcoming lunch schedule. Why else does this submission exist, if not to provide a chance to complain about systemd?*

      *I started to append "or one of its other components", but the. Remembered that systemd now encompasses pretty much every function of the OS.

  • What delayed the May release until October?
  • A fedora [] size 23 still does not fit [] my head: I am eager to know when fedora 24 1/4 is released.
    • by mattdm ( 1931 )

      Fedora 24 will be next May; we don't really do point releases, but I guess if you apply patches sometime in July you could call it Fedora 24 1/4.

  • Insert negative comment about Fedora 23 release schedule ;)
  • Plasma 5 fiasco (Score:4, Informative)

    by Pow.R Toc.H ( 12470 ) on Wednesday October 14, 2015 @07:13AM (#50724509) Journal
    After the Plasma 5 fiasco, which wasn't ready for production, really, I took the plunge and switched to Kubuntu 14.04 LTS. It sucks to update your distro every 6 months, and it sucks even more to update distros having the feeling that one is in permanent beta. Nowadays I don't care about "beautiful desktop" and bells and whistles in general, I just need a stable and working environment. Still thinking what to do with wifey's notebook, though. But I'll probably go through the same route.
    • by ruir ( 2709173 )
      I have been installing Mint Cinnamon for my technophobe relatives and so far, so good. They seem to like it, and love even more not getting the pesking malware.
    • by donaldm ( 919619 )

      I have been running Fedora since Fedora Core 7 and the only major issue that I had was KDE 4.0. Basically I had no choice since my wife was getting annoyed but to switch to Gnome at the time although when KDE4.1 came out I switched us back.

      Basically I have never done a Fedora upgrade since I always do a fresh install because that is the fastest way (at least for me) of going from one major release to another. I actually do this for commercial Unix/Linux machines (HPUX, AIX, Solaris and Redhat) when moving f

  • When was the last Fedora released on time? 11-22 all had delays
    • by donaldm ( 919619 )

      When was the last Fedora released on time? 11-22 all had delays

      Personally I don't mind a delay since I know it will work when it does ship. I did have an issue with KDE 4.0 which was easily fixed by moving to Gnome until KDE 4.1 came out, but that wasn't Fedora's fault.

    • by mattdm ( 1931 )

      This is basically due to a misconception around the Fedora release policy. Some projects work on a strict calendar basis; others work on "release when ready". Fedora has always had a hybrid approach. We aim for a certain target, but we're integrating a huge amount of upstream software over which we mostly have little control, and it's almost inevitable that something isn't up to standards at that time.

      PS: We're slipping a week for F23. :)

  • When a system with a rolling release schedule like this _actually_ ships, that's (barely) news because now I can install it. Even more newsworthy is when it misses a release, because then you're plausibly talking about a hard-to-solve problem of some sort. But why would "The planned release will happen on schedule" be news worthy of any sort of general audience? I use Ubuntu, but I don't follow the day-to-day trials of stabilizing the next release because, honestly, it hardly matters which specific versi

  • Honestly wondering: there are millions of Linux distributions out there, and we don't get this kind of news for all of them. I know Fedora is one of the biggest in terms of number of users, but still... Besides, this sounds a bit like a non-event: the news doesn't announce anything unexpected, only that things are going according to plan.

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