Cinnamon 2.6: a Massive Update Loaded With Performance Improvements 155
jones_supa writes: The Linux Mint team has just announced that Cinnamon 2.6 desktop environment is considered stable and ready to download. It is a big update. The load times have been greatly improved and unnecessary calculations in the window management part are dropped, leading to a 40% reduction in the number of CPU wakes per second. Other improvements include a screensaver that does more than just lock the screen, panels that can be removed or added individually, a much better System Settings panel that should make things much clearer, a cool new effect for windows, and a brand new plugin manager for Nemo. Linux Mint users will receive the new Cinnamon as an update by the end of the month.
phillistines... (Score:1)
You can change the screensaver?
what's next? being able to change the font size? /s
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You can change the screensaver?
what's next? being able to change the font size? /s
Metro for Mint.
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A lot of "screen lockers" do that job really poorly.
What happens is that when the system gets a wake-up call, the video is turned on FIRST, displaying whatever secrets were on-screen before sleep, and THEN a "lock screen" gets written over it.
I've seen this on more systems and devices than I can count.
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Yeah, well, but how high can rabid reindeers count?
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Just as long as it isn't a dessert topping, because that would be going too far.
Linux Mint? Cinnamon? (Score:5, Insightful)
Does mint even go with cinnamon? It's always chocolate+mint or apple+cinnamon...
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If you've ever had my lamb chops with brown sugar, cinnamon and ginger glaze covered with mint sauce, you'd know they go very well together!
Oh man, I wish you wouldn't do that when I'm hungry.
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You wouldn't like him when he's hungry.
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As a non-US person I have noticed that your recipes can contain up to 5x the sugar I would ever think to put in a dish.
I guess this is a desensitisation thing?
The mind really does boggle...
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Linux Mint gets it right. (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been a Debian user for a long time but for my wife's laptop or Linux installs on friends machines I almost always turn to Mint.
They're still going to support Upstart & Systemd [slashdot.org]. The LMDE release [linuxmint.com] was always a rolling release locked to Debian Testing.
They've continued GNOME2 in MATE DE [mate-desktop.org] along with the GNOME3 fork Cinnamon [linuxmint.com].
I've personally transitioned to FreeBSD for my desktop & server needs but if a friend wants to get into Linux with a decent GUI I point them to Mint. Ubuntu has gone full "Windows 8.1" in trying to appease the lowest common denominator when most people just want a desktop they recognize.
MOD parent up! (Score:2)
Great post.
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don't tell me what to do.
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Ubuntu has gone full "Windows 8.1" in trying to appease the lowest common denominator when most people just want a desktop they recognize.
No, they aren't. I don't know who they are attempting to attract but it's certainly not the lowest common denominator. No-one seems to want the ubuntu interface, nor the gnome3 one for that matter. Not the newbies nor the present computer users.
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I've seen a lot of people happy with Gnome 3. I kinda liked some aspects of it but in the end you realize that you traded more-for-less when using it.
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Since when did Windows 8.1 appease anyone? Customers have been staying away in droves.
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C'mon, 8.1 is still the third most-used desktop OS out there, right behind 7 and XP. Something to do with sticking it on all the new computers people buy, 99% of the home users having no idea of changing the OS.
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I use the Mint KDE edition, and have never tried Cinnamon. But it's still worth asking why Cinnamon was needed. I get that nobody liked Gnome 3 (at least at the beginning), but how different - when you get down to it - is the Cinnamon desktop from the KDE desktop? Aren't they both continuations of the standard 'task bar + start menu' paradigm?
Mint KDE is really nice, and since KDE is still being actively developed, why would the Mint folks feel the need to develop yet another desktop? If it's only 'beca
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Hard to blame the distros for thinking that version 5.3 would be a stable version of 5.
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Well, okay. But I wasn't asking about KDE 5. No comments on KDE 4 in Mint today vs Cinnamon?
I do kind of hate how KDE has to break everything and start over for each new QT version. When is good enough enough? KDE 4 works really well. I'm sure QT 5 has some nice goodies in it - but why the hell do they have to break stuff to add those goodies? Seriously. I still suspect it has something to do with C++. You want to add a new feature that doesn't fit your current class structure? Simple, rework all y
KDE versions, my experience (Score:2)
I do kind of hate how KDE has to break everything and start over for each new QT version.
tl;dr: Then don't upgrade. Or trust your distro to do the right thing. There's no one KDEN any more.
KDE tends to group a rethink of their project to a new Qt version, why not? Software evolves. KDE4 introduced plasma, phonon, solid. There is no single "KDE 5". The KDE Frameworks 5 reorganizes the KDE libraries, and the new Plasma 5 desktop changes the theme and graphics stack. http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/... [jospoortvliet.com] tries to explain what's going on.
I started with Kubuntu 9.04 which ran KDE 4.2, and by 4.4 it was
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Interesting. But could you address my suspicion that C++ has something to do with how drastic the changes end up being. I would assume that the QT folks at least try to keep things as backward compatible as possible. And that after the KDE4.0 fiasco, they made the transition from 4 to 5 smoother than prior ones. After all, the explanation for how hard the 3 to 4 transition was was that big changes were needed so that future enhancements would be less disruptive.
In any case, you'd think that it would be
Re:Linux Mint gets it right. (Score:5, Insightful)
I've installed Ubuntu on my mother's laptop to replace Windows Vista. Since she never had a computer before Windows Vista, she didn't have any problem with it being "different" from earlier Windows versions. But even so, she's been more happy with Ubuntu than with Windows.
I wish people would stop with the "useful software" argument, it's almost a joke meme at this point. Home users who only need a computer for Internet-based activities don't need ultra-specialized software that's only available on Windows or OS X.
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You are 100% correct. Although I went a step further. Relatives I have moved away from Linux to Chromebooks and ChomeBoxes. That way I have ZERO maintenance for the devices. I dont even have to do any updates at all. It's wonderful and my family members are all so happy they dont have to do any stupid windows tricks.
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This.
I installed Xubuntu on my mum's old Dell that had been running XP. My Dad was concerned about the lack of security updates so I gave them something light weight that would work. Other than a few problems with their printer it has been great. The problems with the printer... it was not turned on once and the other time it was in standby and would not wake up without pressing the button on it.
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Dude, people who know enough about what software they are using and for what specialized purpose are not the ones making 'this OS is better than that' arguments. These arguments usually come from fanboys on both sides.
For me, each OS (even Windows) has its strengths and weaknesses. Windows for games and Linux for work (scientific data analysis). Come to think of it, its MacOS that doesn't really have a niche.
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I've installed Ubuntu on my mother's laptop to replace Windows Vista. Since she never had a computer before Windows Vista, she didn't have any problem with it being "different" from earlier Windows versions. But even so, she's been more happy with Ubuntu than with Windows.
I wish people would stop with the "useful software" argument, it's almost a joke meme at this point. Home users who only need a computer for Internet-based activities don't need ultra-specialized software that's only available on Windows or OS X.
By "useful software" people generally mean Office, Photoshop or some sort of accounting/customer contact package, none of which are necessary for the average home user.
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I don't even use Linux on the desktop myself, but she was so fed up with Windows that I installed Ubuntu as a temporary solution until she can replace her laptop. The praise comes from her directly.
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Cite your source on that?
From everything I have seen, Windows gets infected about ten minutes after you connect to the internet, even if you have AV software.
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Cite your source on that?
From everything I have seen, Windows gets infected about ten minutes after you connect to the internet, even if you have AV software.
I am not a great Windows fan, but that hasn't been true for over ten years.
It now takes at least an hour.
*rimshot*
Re:Linux Mint gets it right. (Score:4, Informative)
The latest Windows versions don't support hardware they used to support in earlier versions, so Windows isn't any better.
Re:Linux Mint gets it right. (Score:4, Informative)
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I also had a surprisingly good experience with a HP 3070A multifunction printer under Ubuntu. All I had to do was to enter the IP address of the printer. No other installations or configurations were needed. Wireless printing and scanning both worked without problems.
However, as a small deficiency, wireless scanning could be started only from the computer but not from the printer. The printer menu shows a list of computer hostnames, but Linux machines do not show up there. There might be a way to get it wor
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I had some trouble with an HP laserjet printer that was set up to present itself as a USB drive. Apparently, HP thought it made sense to have the printer be a 'disk drive' with an autorun driver installer on it. Nice, I guess, if you're hooking it to a Windows machine, but I had to figure out how to disable that nonsense to get it to show up as a printer to Linux. Once that was done, Linux found a driver for it, and it works perfectly.
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a lot of the time you have change your printer etc because the supplier won't update the drivers
Total nonsense. Unless you're still running 10 y/o kit, almost every device that's sold NOW is supported on Windows. That can't be said for more than a small sample of printers, webcams or anything else under Linux.
The reason I have a W8.1 box sitting next to my LMDE x64 machine is to support all my hardware. In fact, I find that I'm using Windows more and more these days ...
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On the other hand, I can only use my old but still perfectly functional scanner on my Linux system because you can't get a 64 bit windows driver for it.
YMMV, as with most things in life.
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Total nonsense. Unless you're still running 10 y/o kit, almost every device that's sold NOW is supported on Windows. That can't be said for more than a small sample of printers, webcams or anything else under Linux.
That is a vast overstatement, and if you were experienced with Linux to a level beyond OP's mom, you'd know that. I've been using Linux for over 10 years now, and while things have gotten much better over time, I've had issues with exactly 2 devices: a winmodem in the first pc on which I tried Linux (Mandrake), and iPod. Every other device that I have tried has worked.
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You either have the worst luck ever or you look really hard to find Windows only hardware. I have had no problems at all with interfacing hardware with Linux.
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Most people can't install Windows themselves.
And if they're the type that could install Windows themselves, they can install Linux themselves.
And if they're the type where you're installing Linux on their old laptop, I doubt they are going to ask 'Where's my proprietary business software X?', they most likely will ask 'and which is the button for facebook?'
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Linux Mint is easier to install stuff on than any other OS. No downloading a separate package and trying to drag it into /Applications or running the installer, they've had an "AppStore" for years. It's called dpkg.
If they can't figure that out I always have the ability to ssh into the box and fix it that way. If something goes completely wrong and they're stuck at a GRUB2 recovery screen they're just as hosed as they would be if they were dumped to a Windows failure screen.
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Of the dozens of friends computers I've fixed over the years, 99% of them have only really cared about a web browser, Skype, a basic office suit "where they haven't moved all the stuff I always use", a media player, a torrent client and maybe an email client.
All of them, save Skype, come pre-instal
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I just tore apart my home lab and I'm reassembling it, reshuffling some motherboards and hard drives.
Tried tossing my Windows drive on a new motherboard. It just crashed.
I found *one* disk from my PC-BSD [pcbsd.org] desktop. Plugged it into the oldest motherboard I could find and it just worked(tm). Missing half of the zfs mirror on completely different hardware.
Between ports, pkg and their installer program software is easier than elsewhere.
I honestly wished that Windows 10 would be them scrapping everything and going
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I honestly wished that Windows 10 would be them scrapping everything and going with a *BSD. (Just like OS X). Admit defeat, and start over with a different code base. No one knows or cares how it works, just that it does. Apple has managed to move complete platforms 4 times (68k -> PPC, OS 9 -> OS X, PPC->Intel, Intel->ARM). Microsoft has just released C# as open source. It shouldn't be hard.
Apple has very little presence in the enterprise precisely because they do those major tectonic shifts where everything breaks so often. OTOH, on Windows, you still have a pretty good chance of running an app originally compiled for Windows 1.0.
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if they don't have the knowledge to install Linux themselves they sure as hell aren't going to have the knowledge to get any useful software working,
Connecting to a wireless network takes a few clicks and typing in the password, just as it does on Windows. Firefox is installed by default. It's not hard to find the icon and click on it. That's the job done for 95% of "installing Linux for a friend or relative" scenarios.
Re: Linux Mint gets it right. (Score:2)
That's assuming the WiFi drivers aren't broken.
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That's assuming the WiFi drivers aren't broken.
And that you don't screw something else up in the several hour project that getting the wifi drivers working usually turns into.
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That's assuming the WiFi drivers aren't broken.
And that you don't screw something else up in the several hour project that getting the wifi drivers working usually turns into.
This post brought to you by the year 2004!
He forgot to mention that he can't get sound to work.
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Yes, it is. It's been a fairly safe assumption with Linux Mint in my experience. I've had more issues with wireless drivers on Windows 7 (issues such as "not having any drivers") than I have with Linux Mint.
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There is useful software available on Linux (and, in specific, Mint). Not all useful software runs on Linux. In order to know whether Linux is a good fit for someone, you have to know what that person wants his or her computer to do.
With a user-friendly distribution, a naive user can use email and surf the net and do word processing and play some simple games, and there's a lot of people that don't use their computers for anything more. In addition, there's repositories available for reasonably safe u
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> If any program freezes, the WHOLE DESKTOP freezes
That's what this release specifically addresses.
"In case of a freeze or if you need to restart Cinnamon for any reason, you can now do so via a keyboard shortcut. The default key combination is Ctrl+Alt+Escape. Pressing this combination of keys restarts nemo and cinnamon-settings-daemon in case they had crashed, and launches a brand new instance of the Cinnamon desktop," said Clement Lefebvre, the leader of the Linux Mint project.
They also claim boosts in speed:
Also, the devs have explained that it's no longer necessary to recompile Cinnamon to choose between consolekit and logind support, the load times have been greatly improved, the CPU usage has been diminished by about 40%, and the support for multiple monitors has been improved as well.
"Un-necessary calculations in the window management part of Cinnamon could also be dropped, leading to reduced idle CPU usage (about 40% reduction in the number of CPU wakes per second)," Lefebvre also noted.
Here is an actual review (Score:5, Informative)
All the juvenile bullshit posts on slashdot are getting tiresome.
LMDE2 with Cinnamon 2.6 gets it right. No mandatory systemd, far superior interface to Gnome3.
Taking a look at Cinnamon 2.6 LMDE 2 "betsy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAyXswmVZG0
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All the juvenile bullshit posts on slashdot are getting tiresome.
So stop posting. We won't miss you.
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Here's a thought: why don't you stop with the juvenile bullshit posts instead? We won't miss them, either.
Seriously Nice Desktop UI (Score:5, Interesting)
The youtube link was not so much a review as a quick runthrough of the new Cinnamon's look, feel and features.
And it's looks really, really good, like it strikes that weird balance between giving you all the control and features you want (that commercial desktops and some gnome-based desktops lack) without over-complicating the interface with a rabbit-hole of settings and interfaces (my biggest gripe with other linux desktops, esp. KDE).
Kudos to the Mint team for going the extra mile on this. It's not easy to get a desktop right, and everyone else it seems has given up on account of the mobile craze (looking at YOU, Microsoft). I think Mint just set the gold standard for a DE. and it's free.
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That's great. A stable, intuitive, responsive desktop is sorely needed. Linux desktop environments lack polish. Always missing features, configuration settings are confusing, and the file manager is too easy to crash. Why for instance is it such a pain to set colors in LXDE? Themes are icons and colors together, makes it difficult to have one without the other. In Openbox, I don't want the scroll wheel to flip between desktops, or "shade" and "unshade" windows if on the titlebar, and that's the first
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Is "no systemd" a feature for LMDE?
I'm asking as it's a desktop distribution and systemd is apparently focused on desktops as well.
Nemo (Score:3, Interesting)
Nemo is the best linux file manager I have ever used, it even supports SSH/FTP. The only other file manager that I have used and know to be better is XYPlorer, but it is paid and windows only.
Really, even if you use other display managers you should be using Nemo. What they have done in the gnome fork can only be called butchery to this great piece of software.
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> in the gnome fork
oh today is opposite day I see.
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You could say that both Nemo and the other bastard son "Files" from gnome 3 (also known as Gnome Files) are both forks from Nautilus (the file manager from gnome 2).
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I have not used Dolphin so I can not comment on that, but I just really like how nemo structures stuff. Nemo also has a 2 panel interface that I really like, it works like midnight commander (also known as MC).
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https://tr.opensuse.org/Konque... [opensuse.org]
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Well... used to. Plasma 5 went ahead and broke FTP file browsing and seems to have made sftp file browsing much more error-prone.
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I totally agree. Nemo is excellent and is the only file manager I can thing of that has no annoying feature or omission.
Windows Explorer remembers folder settings per folder, which I find infuriating (although you can iron out this problem over time), and since 7 they hid away a bunch of useful features like folder stats and parent folder link, so you need to install Windows addons to get them back. Mac OSX Finder was the most shockingly bad file manager I tried. Maybe I just wasn't using it right, but I ma
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I built LFS with emerald and compiz and I still built nautilus as the file manager, because it's still the best unless you're on a constrained system.
These days it has flags to manage the desktop (or not) and draw the background (or not) so it plays well with other DEs.
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Nemo is a fork of Nautilus (the old one from gnome 2), the current Files (also called Gnome Files) present in gnome 3 is another fork (it sucks compared to nemo). So I am unsure what version exactly are you using, the old one or the one from gnome 3 or yet another fork that I am unaware?
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So I am unsure what version exactly are you using, the old one or the one from gnome 3 or yet another fork that I am unaware?
Probably the old one, let me check. Hmm, no, looks like the gnome 3 one. Why is nemo better? I have barely used that box since the build.
Re:Nemo (Score:5, Informative)
From:
http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/... [linuxmint.com]
All the features Nautilus 3.4 had and which are missing in Nautilus 3.6 (all desktop icons, compact view, etc..)
Open in terminal (this is part of Nemo itself)
Open as root (this is also part of Nemo)
File operations progress information (when you copy/move files you can see the percentage and info about the operation on the window title and so also in your window list)
Proper GTK bookmarks management
Full navigation options (back, forward, up, refresh)
Ability to toggle between the path entry and the path breadcrumb widgets
A lot more configuration options
Short term, it’s also likely to gain the following:
A proper status bar
A layout which is more similar to Caja, where the pathbar/path-entry field is below the main toolbar and only spans accross the view pane
Configurable toolbar buttons for hidden features (view-selection, zoom levelsetc).
It is quite an old post and some of may not be true anymore, but basically gnome3 dumbed down the file manager (like windows did with removing the up navigation button). They do not mention it but I also like the dual-pane mode (aka midnight commander mode)
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Mint issues (Score:3)
Forgive me now as I tell you I have no idea whether I'm using Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon or Raspberry Pie.
It is the gui that came with the default install, and I like it.
However, recently I've seen problems popping up, two specifically:
1. When using Google Maps in Chromium it usually brings my system to a complete halt. This is a recent problem, so I'm assuming some update is the cause, either with Chromium or Mint. When this lockup happens the only thing I am able to do is switch to a console and reboot.
2. When the Software Update runs in the background it slows things down tremendously. I can either update, or close the updater. If I leave it open without updating the system stays extremely slow. Like the Chromium problem, this just started in the last month or so. Before that everything was. Nothing new has been installed, except for the normal updates of course.
I'm hoping over the course of time another update or some such will correct these problems.
Sweet! (Score:2)
Other smaller improvements include a working screensaver that does more than just lock the screen
And I remember seeing something in a forum where Ubuntu devs claimed screensavers were a "windoze" thing that Linux desktop didn't need...
WUT!?!
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unix screensavers existed even before linux was being known (linux 1991, xscreensaver 1992)
http://www.jwz.org/xscreensave... [jwz.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X... [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H... [wikipedia.org]
Linux Mint politics (Score:2)
It's too bad he feels this way:
http://abriefhistory.org/?p=77... [abriefhistory.org]
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FTA:
Lefebvre sees Israelis as the problem.
“It’s a moral stand point. You see a lot of people all over the globe complain about China, Russia, and take individual actions to dissociate themselves from them. I don’t agree with what Israel is doing and although they’re forced to take action and defend themselves I don’t believe they have their back aga
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"I think the one thing I regret the most is giving people the impression I cared about politics and getting involved in something that had nothing to do with me."
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But really, are people willing to stop using an excellent product because they don't agree with someone's politics?
Of course.
Like everything, it depends on the extremity of the politics involved. If I knew a company was run by neo nazis, I absolutely would refuse to use their products.
vs MATE? (Score:3)
Cinnamon Is Great! (Score:2)
Cinnamon is clearly the best Linux Desktop.
Thanks for working on it.
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strt hatari, freeze
vnc into the box, freeze
fullscreen vlc freeze, reboot
use lots of browsers the same time, freeze, crash, logout, reboot
Oh well, works perfectly.
Change the screensaver??? (Score:2)
You wouldn't steal a car, would you?
Choosing your own screensaver is not a victimless crime.
www.gnomecontrolcenter.gov
So can I switch from KDE? (Score:2)
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screensaver... (Score:2)
I'd settle for one that didn't randomly completely lock up and force me to kill it from an alternate tty... however Mint is pretty decent over all.. typing this from a several months old Rebecca Mint box...
big heap of crash (Score:2)
This dreadfull bastard of slowness and bugs has been dumped by me after I encountered about 1 crash, freeze or reboot per week. (on frssh LMDE install beginning 2015)
It is completely utter sillyness to expect endusers to use a kiddy fiddely software piece of junk.
Switched to Mate (i.e. gnome2) and it was 10 times faster, and has not crashed since 2 months.
Re:Now is the time! (Score:4, Interesting)
Since in the last few years the desktop has been replaced by laptops, pads and phones. Only nerds, gamers and power users still have "desktop" computers now. And we're the minority.
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Right, and all the business users out there with their Excel, etc.
Data entry on anything but a desktop is horrendous.
A laptop is fine for word processing and spreadsheets. But tablets & phones aren't even close, even for light usage there.
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My company is in IT and it has a policy to only use laptops, if that is the case for IT companies imagine for other kind of companies. The justification is that it is easier to drag them around to clients and meetings. Many software shops also go full laptop for the same reason.
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disagree. These mobile devices are useful when on the move but next to useless for doing real work.
Most people never do real work on their computing devices, so it is difficult to understand your objection, which seems to be based on a total lack of understanding of how most people use them. The majority of people spend almost literally 100% of their time in the browser, and would be best served by a Chromebook, tablet, or phone, depending on whether they write much and how much screen real estate they need. For watching larger media, there's Chromecast.
I am not actually a big fan of the everything-is-co
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disagree. These mobile devices are useful when on the move but next to useless for doing real work.
Most people never do real work on their computing devices, so it is difficult to understand your objection, which seems to be based on a total lack of understanding of how most people use them. The majority of people spend almost literally 100% of their time in the browser, and would be best served by a Chromebook, tablet, or phone, depending on whether they write much and how much screen real estate they need. For watching larger media, there's Chromecast.
I am not actually a big fan of the everything-is-connected-we-know-what-you're-watching Chrome video ecosystem, but for the average person it's probably a very good choice.
I guess all those computers in offices are just for show? All the people who schedule and calendar with their cellphones are faking it? My friends laptops at home which absolutely have to have Office and a VPN aren't real?
You know where Windows 8 and all the other UI mis-steps of the last few years have come from? This exact, elitist, "I'm an IT Guy" sentiment.
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I guess all those computers in offices are just for show?
I guess you can't read? Those computers belong to the businesses, not the people using them. On their computers, they typically just browse.
All the people who schedule and calendar with their cellphones are faking it?
What exactly does that have to do with what they do with their desktop? ADD much? Stay on topic.
My friends laptops at home which absolutely have to have Office and a VPN aren't real?
"most people". Learn to read.
This exact, elitist, "I'm an IT Guy" sentiment.
I'm an IT guy, you illiterate ignoranus.