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Linus On Diversity and Niceness In Open Source 361

An anonymous reader writes "Linus Torvalds has sent a lengthy statement to Ars Technica responding to statements he made in a conference in New Zealand. One of his classic comments in NZ was: "I'm not a nice person, and I don't care about you. I care about the technology and the kernel — that's what's important to me." On diversity, he said that "the most important part of open source is that people are allowed to do what they are good at" and "all that stuff is just details and not really important." Now he writes: "What I wanted to say — and clearly must have done very badly — is that one of the great things about open source is exactly the fact that different people are so different", and that "I don't know where you happen to be based, but this 'you have to be nice' seems to be very popular in the US," calling the concept of being nice an "ideology"."
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Linus On Diversity and Niceness In Open Source

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:10AM (#48838861)

    Actually, no, but I've noticed that the suckups who post with that headline always get modded up.

    And I don't care about you personally, I'm an asshole and just want the results.

    • Re: Linus is right (Score:3, Interesting)

      by johnsnails ( 1715452 )
      Having a cult status allows you to be a jerk and get improved results. The guy after linus will be nothing more than a kernel maintainer and if he's a jerk and I'm deciding what project to volunteer my time too, well life's too short to feel like a dickhead.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:14AM (#48838887)

    I use Linux everyday and have for a decade. I'm very glad for what Linus and the rest of the open source community have done for software and computing.

    That said, Linux folks can be real assholes and there is no good reason for it. This is less of a problem as the community grows, but it clearly still exists.

    People who are part of a society should always be civil to each other. Else we are all just closer to the apes from which we came than we think we are.

    • by amiga3D ( 567632 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @02:29PM (#48840163)

      I'm not sure what he meant exactly by not being nice. He seems okay until someone pisses him off with some bullshit. I believe he's just talking about not taking shit off of people. I'm nice to people who don't try to bullshit me but once they do I get down and dirty with them. This seems to me from what I have observed to be the same attitude Linus has. I get tired of putting up with people's crap and I'm sure that in his position he sees a lot more of it.

      • by dbIII ( 701233 )

        I'm not sure what he meant exactly by not being nice. He seems okay until someone pisses him off with some bullshit.

        I think that's exactly what he means - once someone starts obstructing a project there's not much point being nice to them and let them stay in the way instead of making it clear that they should get out of the way.

        I saw a lot of it myself back when I was an engineer, before the internet became a big thing with lots of job opportunities:
        A: That weld is out of spec and has a very large number

  • by kamapuaa ( 555446 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:16AM (#48838895) Homepage

    What a ridiculous idea...you're on an internet forum, and you're not swearing at each other? Thanks a lot George W Bush!

  • by davecb ( 6526 ) <davec-b@rogers.com> on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:20AM (#48838927) Homepage Journal

    I'm a polite Canadian, and worked much of my career for a "california cowboy company". We were never nice.

    In many cases, what probably was meant as tongue-in-cheek comments came across poorly to Canadians and British, sometimes even as assholery or prejudice. I wouldn't expect "nicey nice" from my colleagues or my American cousins, and I'm quite surprised to see people in the US asking for it!

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by PPH ( 736903 )

      I'm quite surprised to see people in the US asking for it!

      I'm not. The USA is drifting farther away from being a meritocracy. More emphasis is placed upon achievement in social circles than professionally with STEM skills. "Nice" is a codeword for displaying the proper deference for people who may not have the technical skills to do a job but have been placed in charge (or see themselves as social leaders) of a group.

      • There is more to life than STEM.

        Often I wish the E stood for English, usually that thought occurs when I am reading status reports and documentation from Engineers.

        • There is more to life than STEM.

          Often I wish the E stood for English, usually that thought occurs when I am reading status reports and documentation from Engineers.

          How about "STEEM" (with an extra E for English)?

          Or to be more culture neutral - "STELM" (with L for Language)?

          • How about "STEEM" (with an extra E for English)?

            You should learn about the STEAM (with an 'A') movement. The idea is to add Art + Design to the equation, so that STEM is transformed into STEAM.

            The idea makes sense to me, but I also see that there is an advantage of leaving the 'A' out of STEM -- having 'art' in the acronym would make it more obvious that the plutocrafts' real goal with STEM is to turn all the workers into starving artists.

          • Or to be more culture neutral - "STELM" (with L for Language)?

            How about SMELT, since it allows us to extract metal (in the form of productive results) from ore (in the form of people)?

        • by ron_ivi ( 607351 )

          Often I wish the E stood for English, usually that thought occurs when I am reading status reports and documentation from Engineers.

          If you're having difficulty communicating with Engineers and part of your job is reading their status reports and documentation, I'd argue that the problem is on your side.

          Their job is to do engineering well. Your job sounds like translating between their attempt to translate technical nuances into stuff that upper management can understand. Perhaps you need to spend more time learning more about what they do.

    • I want to know what is nice.
      In short if people don't like you, no matter how good the technology they won't use it. They will accept the idea of inferior technology in order to get better support or at least not feel belittled. Technology suppose to help, if dealing with the expert makes you feel bad then it won't help.

      However there is being nice and then there is being a pushover or a yes man. There are ways you can correct people and insure that they are not going to get screwed over.

      How many good devel

    • I'm a polite Canadian

      There's another kind?

  • by PolygamousRanchKid ( 1290638 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:21AM (#48838931)

    Linus:

    I care about the technology and the kernel

    Martin Luther King:

    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their kernel

    .

    • Martin Luther King:

      I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their kernel

      .

      Hey, hey, HEY! Careful there. You might just get sued for copyright infringement by King's estate.

      • Poor Dr. King... he never dreamed his children would actually be judged on the quantity and pettiness of their lawsuits.

        • But hey, he got a holiday named after him! A day when...black kids stay home from school...

          (all kids, but still...)

    • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

      That should read "........the quality of their code"

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:26AM (#48838957)

    You have to be nice in business in the US because the principals have money and generally no knowledge of technology.

    They are a class (which we most assuredly do have as much as they deny it) that doesn't want, or have to know details and will most assuredly terminate you if give them cause to have to think. Cause would be butthurtedness for not lionizing their brilliance at being self made (it's tough when you come from the "middle class", which is what anybody who knows somebody with more money thinks they are). To them, wealth is how you judge intelligence. If you're so smart, why aren't you rich? You're just a peon if you have to beg for scraps (a.k.a. be an employee)
    Thing is they are only capable of thinking about money and believe "the customer" (them) "is always right".
    The only workaround is to have enough knowledge for them to exploit while being part of an organization small enough where nobody is really readily expendable.

  • confusion (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    One should not mix up "being nice" with "not being a dick"...

  • Let's be blunt (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MikeRT ( 947531 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:28AM (#48838971)

    In the US, there are two main problems with diversity:

    1) Women don't really enjoy the work or the culture.
    2) Non-Asian minorities tend to be at a severe disadvantage when it comes to the home life that gives whites and Asians early access and encouragement to get started.

    Number two is reasonably remedied without radically changing the work or the culture. Number one isn't. Most women are simply never going to feel comfortable even in a polite but very competitive environment where they have to do the same sort of work as the respected men to get comparable respect. To many women, just showing up should entitle them to respect and encouragement, but Linus is correct here. Most people just don't give a damn that you're a woman in this field.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Number one can't be addressed within kernel community in any way. No point to even try. It should be addressed within our whole culture, by revising our notion of gender roles. Linus works with adults. He can do nothing to counteract gender imbalance that was created via indoctrination that starts at early childhood.
      • by plover ( 150551 )

        There is not a reason that talent and asshole must always be coupled in the same person. And very few people who aren't assholes like to work in an abusive environment. Therefore, this kind of environment excludes people who have talent but who are not assholes. Of course, a "nice" environment excludes assholes for very similar reasons.

        So what we need is what we've got: two distinct environments. One is where assholes with talent build one set of components, and nice people build other components. Occasio

        • by Bengie ( 1121981 )
          There is a distinct difference between being an asshole and letting your opinion to be known without sugar coating it. It's a dangerous line to walk, but studies have shown being politically correct reduces one's ability to communicate, which can waste time and chance the message.

          Linus is nearly always correct. He has a set of rules and requires a certain amount of quality. If you mess up, he'll correct you. Kind of like a parent being strict with their child for good reason. I don't mind "jerks", as lo
          • by plover ( 150551 )

            I'm not saying Linus doesn't have talent, or that he's not "nearly always correct", but I am saying that he goes beyond stripping away sugar-coating, and resorts to name calling (I believe the phrase I once read was "unevolved chimpanzee"), and public (not private) belittling of people who makes mistakes. That's not simply "correcting you", that's not straddling the line in any way. That's fully crossing the line to being an asshole, and it's completely unnecessary. And here he is, talking about it again.

      • Re:Let's be blunt (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Dragon Bait ( 997809 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @12:00PM (#48839151)

        Number one can't be addressed within kernel community in any way. No point to even try. It should be addressed within our whole culture, by revising our notion of gender roles.

        Do you have kids? I have 3: one boy and two girls. As far as gender role models go, my wife is also in the tech field. I do all the cooking at my house. My father-in-law does all the cooking at his house. My wife has cooked a total of five meals in 20 years. I've never seen my mother-in-law cook. The kids were effectively raised with reverse gender roles.

        When the older two were three and four years old, we plopped them in the dirt while building our garden. The boy grab a matchbox truck that had been left over from the previous owners and start pushing it through the dirt making engine noises. The girl started making mud pies.

        Sorry to be the one to inform you, but boys and girls are wired different from birth. Testosterone probably plays a huge role in this. I realize that that was political incorrect to say, but a little real world information would be great before going through and doing grand experiments on all of society to fit your perceived notion of the way things ought to be.

        • Re:Let's be blunt (Score:4, Interesting)

          by gbjbaanb ( 229885 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @12:18PM (#48839255)

          reminds me of an article by a progressive liberal feminist who had kids, she said that even though she kept all misogynistic toys from her boy and ensured he had a full suite of acceptable role models and no violent media.... he still played guns with the cardboard inner from toilet rolls.

          Embrace our equality by all means, but understand our differences.

          • Re:Let's be blunt (Score:4, Interesting)

            by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Saturday January 17, 2015 @12:43PM (#48839429) Homepage Journal

            reminds me of an article by a progressive liberal feminist who had kids, she said that even though she kept all misogynistic toys from her boy and ensured he had a full suite of acceptable role models and no violent media.... he still played guns with the cardboard inner from toilet rolls.

            My mom wouldn't buy me war toys so I made them out of legos, traded legos for war toys, and made war toys out of cardboard and tape. I own real guns today. Never shot anybody, hope never to shoot anybody.

            I remember seeing a pic floating around of a car upside down in a doll cradle with a little blankie over it. Seems some parents gave their little girl a car to play with. She drove it around like you normally would a car, then when she was done she put it to bed so it could sleep.

        • Toy example is especially ridiculous since there's no way a kid would know their significance unless adults tell them what those toys are images of, attaching their own gender identity in process too, perhaps subconsciously. Without adult indoctrination a kid wouldn't know a difference between a cube, toy care or cutlery shaped toys.
          • Well I have no idea where my kid got it.

            When my son was born we decorated everything with animals. Gender neutral. And I wasn't trying to do some gender-neutral hippie thing, it's just...we picked animals.

            I'm not a car guy. I don't have a truck. I don't watch tv shows about trucks (I watch very little TV at all). After he was about six months old we started taking him to a daycare where the only other kids were two slightly older girls who played with princess stuff.

            My kid's first word? Truck. All about tru

            • All people are different. The more you know individuals the more you understand that boy/girl divide is fake. There's only one human mind and it's gender neutral in principle. People tend to make stuff up, finding connections where they don't exist. Thinking that having a high testosterone level would magically lead you to play with trucks is pure superstition. There may be other effects of testosterone but if you provide such silly examples then it kinda undermines the point to me.
              • Mod parent down (Score:4, Interesting)

                by Prune ( 557140 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @04:12PM (#48840641)

                the boy/girl divide is fake. There's only one human mind and it's gender neutral in principle.

                Why is it so hard for some people to realize that sexual dimorphism affects the physiology of the brain just as much as that of the rest of the body? There is a well established body of research documenting these differences in the brain, which are particularly pronounced in certain areas, such as the ventromedial nucleus of the hypothalamus. And since mind is what the brain does, there is every reason to conclude that biology is the primary determinant of many of the psychological differences that politically correct ideologues with a social engineering agenda — see parent post — ascribe to rearing and culture.

    • "To many women, just showing up should entitle them to respect and encouragement"

      No misogyny here, right? Just pointing out the objective fact that men will work hard while women loaf around and complain, I'm sure. I can't understand why anyone would think tech has a sexism problem.

    • Slashdot needs a "-1: Generalising and dismissing others on irrelevant physical attributes" modifier.

  • by SuperBanana ( 662181 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:29AM (#48838977)

    Linus is playing the "people want me to be PC" card, and mixing it in with some anti-American-ism for popularity.

    Nobody's asking him to be PC. Not many people are asking him to be friendly or polite. People are asking him to not be publicly abusive, to not be a bully, and to recognize the impact his words have on others. It is perfectly possible to be an effective manager and leader without being abusive and bullying. Stick to the facts, among other things.

    Ie:

    "Your code check-in appears to cause a bunch of compile errors, so I've rolled it back. Also, I've noticed that this isn't the first time. We're a large-scale project and it is helpful if contributors extensively validate their contributions."

    Not:

    "Don't you know how to validate your code? Stop wasting my time! Come back to me when you've evolved past a chimpanzee." ...and also not:

    "Hello! Thank you for your code check-in! Now, I'm sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news, but there's a small problem with your code. If it's not too much trouble...." etc etc.

    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:53AM (#48839111) Journal
      Exactly. There's a big difference between telling it like it is, and being an asshole. I've worked for a boss who would never fail to point out mistakes and shortcomings. Some people had a problem working with him, calling him "not nice", even though he would never chew someone out in public, and never got abusive. That I can respect. I have also worked for people taking the Torvalds approach to criticism, and I've since promised myself never to work for assholes again (it's one of my reasons to go freelance). I'm not suggesting that Linus should become PC, and he should manage his project as he sees fit, but I wouldn't work for him nor employ him.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Nobody's asking him to be PC. Not many people are asking him to be friendly or polite. People are asking him to not be publicly abusive, to not be a bully, and to recognize the impact his words have on others.

      So, PC then - its his project, he can run it the way he wants.

      So what if words have impact on others - grow a pair and deal with it, requiring others to cater for your pansy ass feelings *is* asking them to be PC.

      Being a bully is also subjective - you are there voluntarily as part of the project, you can leave the project just as voluntarily.

      Abusive is also a PC subjective thing.

      So yes, you are asking him to be PC, because PC is the current attitude pushed by certain pressure groups.

    • by bmajik ( 96670 )

      Your first response doesn't convey the additional problem the way the 2nd one does

      What additional problem?

      "Hi, I am the busiest man in the free software world, and you just consumed my valuable time with amateur level mistakes. We have a FAQ about this, which you either didn't read or didn't understand, and as a result, my productivity has suffered. Please re-read the contribution FAQ. If you are still confused, send a message to LKML, not to me"

      "I've cc'd this response to LMKL so that others don't repea

    • Nobody's asking him to be PC. Not many people are asking him to be friendly or polite. People are asking him to not be publicly abusive, to not be a bully, and to recognize the impact his words have on others. It is perfectly possible to be an effective manager and leader without being abusive and bullying. Stick to the facts, among other things.

      Forget it, Lennert. You're not going to get an apology - you deserved everything that was said to you, and you know it.

    • by Znork ( 31774 )

      Most managers manage less than a couple of dozen individuals personally. They can afford to spend some time to shape employees into appropriate productive parts of the team.

      If you're at a higher level and in one way or another in charge of thousands of individuals most people on lower levels will have the sense not to waste your time unless absolutely necessary, they're completely sure of what they're doing and their communication is highly relevant. Mail your 5k+ employee corp CEO with budget suggestions b

    • by meta-monkey ( 321000 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @01:50PM (#48839883) Journal

      Do you even kernel mailing list?

      Linus sends like 1000 emails a month. And 999 of them are perfectly civil. And he does exactly what you say. "Hey, this is broken, please fix."

      And then they don't fix it.

      "Ummmm, did you hear me? Why did you break this? Fix it."

      After the third time, probably after they've mouthed off with some bullshit excuse about how it's not actually broken, or they're just not going to fix it, he loses his shit and cusses them out. And that's the one email that makes the rounds on the tech rags.

      Also, it's his project. If that's the way he wants to run it, that's the way he can run it. He's not paying these people. They're not his employees. They're free to go fork the kernel and have their own software wonderland, with neither blackjack nor hookers.

      And it's not like these people are just "generous volunteers." The most egregious fuck-ups are from Red Hat. Red Hat. Red Hat is not your friend. Red Hat is intentionally breaking shit and fucking with the entire Linux ecosystem to infect it and make it dependent on their projects. I will screw my tinfoil hat on a little tighter and suggest it might have something to do with the US Army being their largest customer. I don't know what their endgame is but I do not think the State likes the bulk of the world's economy and communications systems running on something they can't lock down and control. So instead they subvert.

      The "be nice!" bullshit is just a psy-op to counter Linus' exasperation with the intentionally broken submissions from the poor, beleaguered "volunteers" from the billion-dollar, military-funded corporation.

  • You're not going to draw me into a Slashdot thread on this subject. Ok, sure, I posted this one comment in the thread. But no more.

    • Why's that? Not interested in Linux, or in Linus? Isn't it important to emphasize that the most important part of Linux, the kernel, is powerful and reliable? Among the open source projects, how many do have that level of complexity whilst still being top notch? If it wasn't for Linus Torvalds where would be Linux now? The guy is not playing the "nice" card, but at least he delivers. Big time. Seriously, many open source projects do need a Linus-like management. Without a strong kernel Linux would not exi
  • Greg Kroah-Hartman is quite relaxed guy, I like him. He's a proof that you can be an elite Linux developer and still be cool. BTW he did an Ask Me Anything session [reddit.com] recently.
  • Linus being Linus (Score:4, Interesting)

    by weav ( 158099 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @11:43AM (#48839047)

    Linus is Linus, just as RMS is RMS; you have to take them on their own terms or leave them alone. Me, I leave them alone.

    If you want to play in their sandboxes, you have to deal with their quirks. Kinda like with Apple.

    Welcome to Earth, here's your pitchfork.

    • Being an aspie, as I suspect both of them are to a certain extent, is not a get-out-jail-free-card for asshattery and not learning social niceties.

      • by weav ( 158099 )

        "Aspie"-ness itself is no license, I agree. These peeps bring other skills to the table that make it worth tolerating their downsides. By all reports, Jobs was a narcissistic a-hole most of the time, but his eye for design and usability made him worthwhile. I got tired of working for/with people like that so I no longer do. I might have made one kernel contribution long ago, but no occasionto do Linux kernel work since then.

    • Welcome to Earth, here's your pitchfork.

      Well said.

  • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @12:00PM (#48839153) Journal

    I (barely) qualify as a kernel contributor. Neither Linus nor anyone else involved with the kernel even KNOWS what my racial heritage is*. That's as it should be, because skin complexion doesn't have any effect on the quality of ideas or code. It's simply not relevant. It's a distraction. All this talk about "diversity" is a sneaky way of continuing to divide people into groups based on where their great-great-grandparents were born. It's a stealthily way of keeping racism alive, forcing the politics of division into situations where people don't know or care about your ancient ancestors, they care about getting job done and done well.

    I've never seen a penis or vagina produce any code, so we don't need more women in tech, we need more competent people in tech. Competent people like my mother, my boss Rachel, and myself. Rachel has helped solve some tough problems at work. She's never used her boobs to do so, meaning they just aren't relevant.

    * also, most Slashdot readers don't know my racial heritage. Some therefore make the most ridiculous and comical accusations, like the idiot the other day who accused me of "dog whistle racism". Apparently he thinks that "planning ahead" == "white". At first that's offensive, for him to imply that my family can't plan ahead because we're too dark. Then I remember living with that kind deeply racist thinking while hating racism and therefore hating yourself must be quite painful. I pity the guy.

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      I've never seen a penis or vagina produce any code, so we don't need more women in tech, we need more competent people in tech. Competent people like my mother, my boss Rachel, and myself. Rachel has helped solve some tough problems at work. She's never used her boobs to do so, meaning they just aren't relevant.

      Well, they do seem to produce an awful lot of DNA code and you'll never find "programmers" more protective of their work, even though one only updates the code once a month and the other is just spewing it out to see what sticks. And they are extremely proud when a million monkeys (not sure where the typewriters come in) do produce a Shakespeare.

      P.S. I know it's technically the testicles and ovaries, but lighten up...

    • I've never seen a penis or vagina produce any code

      And that's why you're only barely a kernel contributor. You could code faster but you're only using your two hands to type when you have a perfectly good third appendage sitting idle.

    • I pity the fool.

      Fixed that for ya, bro.

  • Okay, sort of. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by davmoo ( 63521 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @12:00PM (#48839157)

    To an extent I agree with Linus. Being nice is not what counts. Especially if the project has a deadline approaching. But at the same time, there is a difference between not always being nice and being a belligerent asshole. And many times recently its obvious that Linus may not see that distinction.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      But at the same time, there is a difference between not always being nice and being a belligerent asshole.

      Yep.

      And many times recently its obvious that Linus may not see that distinction.

      Nope.

      (No, I am not going to provide any references. You didn't, so why should I? I'll just state that I haven't seen any examples, ever, of Linus being a belligerent asshole. He has been crass, blunt and very pointed, on several occasions. In each case, there has been justification(s) for it. He has never been an outright asshole. The reason is quite simple: He isn't an asshole.)

  • ... you can always fork your own kernel.
  • There's an old saying - "Be nice to people on your way up, because you'll meet them again on your way down."

    No OS lives forever. Linux has gone from small to bloatware, the same as many of the projects associated with it. Sometime in the next 10 years we'll get yet another iteration of "Here's a nice small fast OS and toolset that does only a few things but does them really, really well."

    • another iteration of "Here's a nice small fast OS and toolset that does only a few things but does them really, really well."

      that'll be either systemd or FreeBSD, depending on your ideology :-)

      • I'd rather see something in re-entrant assembler. For one thing, it would get rid of the latest crrap added to C++. For another, it would get rid of all the wannabe programmers. Win-win.
  • "I'm not a nice person, and I don't care about you.

    Funny, when I have said the exact same thing on here, people whine that I should care about someone else, how I have no compassion or am just plain evil.

    When Linus comes out and says the same thing, he's regarded as quirky and a hero.

    Nice double standard. Just like, "Big government is in the hands of evil corporations! Get it out of our lives! Except when we want Big Government to force people to hand over their money to corporations so
  • There's this idea in the US that you are never allowed to hurt anyone's feelings.

    The problem with that is that people are irrational, oversensitive, and cannot control themselves. Interacting with such fragile daisies is like tiptoeing through a minefield.

    It is not, to me, a foregone conclusion that assertive people should tolerate having to deal with sensitive people. That is the prevailing dogma in US business, but it's not clear why that should be the case.

    The meta response to this entire conversation

  • I like this quote from Stargate SG-1:

    [Col. Vaselov, a Russian recruit for the SGC, is insulted when O'Neill denies his request to join SG-1]
    Dr. Jackson: Yeah, don't take General O'Neill's decision personally.
    Col. Vaselov: Frankly, his attitude is offensive. It leads me to wonder if he knows the cold war is over.
    Dr. Jackson: His attitude has nothing to do with you being Russian. He's an equal opportunity offender.

    Sugar coating it just leads to people not getting the message, as long as you treat all the same no matter what sex or color or religion or whatnot they belong to - including not using that as derogative - it's fine with me. Same as when you won't fail people because that's not nice so a D is now the new F or refusing to time a children's race because they're all winners.

    I remember when there was a big article and discussion about whether you could chastise other people'

  • by poity ( 465672 ) on Saturday January 17, 2015 @12:35PM (#48839381)

    .. and these SJWs loved Steve Jobs. Idolized him, even.

  • Being nice is a valuable ability. Being unable to be nice is a serious disability. It is not such an unusual disability at all. Criminals often suffer large doses of this problem and reach out and touch someone without any thoughts of mercy or decency. Internally they are at war with their own primate nature.
    • by ledow ( 319597 )

      Being nice is only valuable as an additional asset to your others.

      You don't hire people just because they are nice even if they make terrible workers, salesman or whatever (being nice does not guarantee sales, maybe customer relations, but not sales).

      Therefore, being nice - once you remove the ideology that a lot of people have - is not necessary to succeed (by whatever definition you care to choose - wealth, charity, etc.). Some of the most fun, intellectual, influential people I know are not "nice" at al

  • Nobody is going to happy with other people are doing all the time. If you think somebody is being jerk, but you just bite your tongue to be nice; are you just being phoney?

  • I am one of Poettering's favorite targets. I am one of those "UNIX grey beards" that Poettering has such deep contempt for.

    Since Poettering is such an arrogant ass about it, I know where he stands. Poettering has made no secret of hating the UNIX way of doing things, and adoring the Microsoft way of doing things. So great, I know that LInux is being controlled by a Linux hater.

    In fact, Poettering pisses me off the most when he pretends to be nice by saying that Red Hat listens to Linux user. What a total lo

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