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Fedora 21 Beta Released 56

An anonymous reader writes: The Fedora Project has been critical to the development Red Hat Enterprise Linux — RHEL version 7 was largely based off Fedora version 19. Fedora is continuing to evolve with the announcement of Fedora 21 Beta, now available from the Fedora Project website. To make the release ready for Beta testing required addressing 50 beta blocker bugs. If the Fedora Project developers are able to keep up with the final release blocker bugs, then Fedora 21 is expected to be released on December 9th. As a result, support for Fedora 19 is expected to end around the beginning of 2015. Released back in July 2013, Fedora 19 will have been supported for over 540 days by 2015. Previously, the longest a Fedora release was supported was Fedora Core 5 at 469 days. Users of Fedora 19 will be encouraged to upgrade to Fedora 20 or 21 to continue to get critical updates.
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Fedora 21 Beta Released

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 04, 2014 @03:57PM (#48312863)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... [wikipedia.org]

    Next week: systemd announces integration of drugs.

    • by tlambert ( 566799 ) on Tuesday November 04, 2014 @04:44PM (#48313279)

      Next week: systemd announces integration of drugs.

      Beta blockers are for reducing blood pressure; systemd is for raising it. };-)

      • You know what amuses me about all this systemd hate.
        Fedora was the first distro to go systemd by default back in F15. There were a few growing pains, but there wasn't the coordinated systemd hatred until pretty much recently when RHEL7 went out the door and debian said we're going systemd.

        I know Fedora isn't as popular a distro as some others but it still seems amusing to me.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          And the usual complaints about systemd are hilarious hypocritical. X.org, Emacs, GCC, KDE/Gnome/Whatever, etc. all violate the "Unix philosophy" by doing far more than one thing and yet strangely the frothing-at-the-mouth systemd haters are silent when it comes to criticizing said software for the same reason. Nor have any forks of Debian been threatened over those and numerous other pieces of included software that violate the same "philosophy".

        • by unrtst ( 777550 )

          Fedora was the first distro to go systemd by default back in F15. There were a few growing pains, but there wasn't the coordinated systemd hatred until pretty much recently when RHEL7 went out the door and debian said we're going systemd.

          I don't know why this would be amusing or surprising. Any distro could adopt any new feature/system/etc and, while there may be criticism, the majority will not be up in arms regardless of the decision is there are still a wide variety of other acceptable distros that retain the previous feature.

          For example, if RHEL (and thus CentOS), and Suse, and Fedora, and Ubuntu, and Debian all went to Gnome 3 at the same time and did so with tight integration (ie. not simple to downgrade to Gnome 2), then everyone wo

          • by eWarz ( 610883 )
            I finally figured out why my blood pressure shot up to critical, near stroke levels....systemd. ;) Let's just say it has made my life a bit more than...interesting...;)
        • You know what amuses me about all this systemd hate.
          Fedora was the first distro to go systemd by default back in F15. There were a few growing pains, but there wasn't the coordinated systemd hatred until pretty much recently when RHEL7 went out the door and debian said we're going systemd.

          Well, some of it was simply that I had better things to do with my time than upgrade Fedora.

          When I did, that's when I encountered systemd.

  • At least they acknowlege the concept of "blocker bugs". Those doesn't seem to bother Ubuntu. See "Bug #1274672: Fresh install of 12.04.3 fails to upgrade to 14.04" [launchpad.net] You can't upgrade Ubuntu because of a packaging problem related to Xorg. Ubuntu developers tried to deny the problem, which has a few thousand hits on Google. Finally somebody installed the old version in an empty virtual machine and demonstrated that, even after a completely clean install, the upgrade wouldn't work.

    (There's a workaround. Comp

    • by Animats ( 122034 )

      (Correction: uninstall Xorg and the GUI)

    • by donaldm ( 919619 )
      While I can't comment on Debian based Linux distributions I have found Fedora with GUI's like KDE (my preferred GUI), Gnome, Xfce etc to be a very good desktop and been using it Professionally as one for over 6 years. Personally I have never had a problem installing Fedora (since Fedora core 7) and it usually runs fine. As for upgrades I never do them I always do a fresh "overlay" (keep the original file-systems and only install in the systems ones) install since it is actually quicker and easier to do.

      There's a workaround. Completely install Xorg and the GUI, and, from the command line, do the upgrade. Then re-install the GUI. Really. Wonder why Linux can't make it on the desktop? It's stuff like this

      I ha

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Geezus, you're an idiot. How long did you search before found a bug bash Ubuntu with?

      1. The bug report is from January and 14.04 was still in Alpha. Guess what? Alpha software is fucking buggy, just ask your Fedora friends.
      2. The upgrade problem had to do with only those systems that had Ubuntu's hardware enablement stack enabled. Most don't.
      3. Ubuntu's official policy for LTS to LTS upgrades is to wait until xx.xx.1 version is released. 14.04.1 was released near the end of July. Upgrading 12.04.5 with HWE

    • So why didn't you first go to 12.04.5 and then to 14.04 with no issues like you were supposed to. Instead you whine about jumping from a weird start point. The biggest blocker bug is between your ears. Linux made it as my desktop years ago, it's obvious what your problem is.

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