Fedora 21 Beta Released 56
An anonymous reader writes: The Fedora Project has been critical to the development Red Hat Enterprise Linux — RHEL version 7 was largely based off Fedora version 19. Fedora is continuing to evolve with the announcement of Fedora 21 Beta, now available from the Fedora Project website. To make the release ready for Beta testing required addressing 50 beta blocker bugs. If the Fedora Project developers are able to keep up with the final release blocker bugs, then Fedora 21 is expected to be released on December 9th. As a result, support for Fedora 19 is expected to end around the beginning of 2015. Released back in July 2013, Fedora 19 will have been supported for over 540 days by 2015. Previously, the longest a Fedora release was supported was Fedora Core 5 at 469 days. Users of Fedora 19 will be encouraged to upgrade to Fedora 20 or 21 to continue to get critical updates.
beta blockers? what have they smoked? (Score:3, Funny)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... [wikipedia.org]
Next week: systemd announces integration of drugs.
Re:beta blockers? what have they smoked? (Score:5, Funny)
Next week: systemd announces integration of drugs.
Beta blockers are for reducing blood pressure; systemd is for raising it. };-)
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You know what amuses me about all this systemd hate.
Fedora was the first distro to go systemd by default back in F15. There were a few growing pains, but there wasn't the coordinated systemd hatred until pretty much recently when RHEL7 went out the door and debian said we're going systemd.
I know Fedora isn't as popular a distro as some others but it still seems amusing to me.
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And the usual complaints about systemd are hilarious hypocritical. X.org, Emacs, GCC, KDE/Gnome/Whatever, etc. all violate the "Unix philosophy" by doing far more than one thing and yet strangely the frothing-at-the-mouth systemd haters are silent when it comes to criticizing said software for the same reason. Nor have any forks of Debian been threatened over those and numerous other pieces of included software that violate the same "philosophy".
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Fedora was the first distro to go systemd by default back in F15. There were a few growing pains, but there wasn't the coordinated systemd hatred until pretty much recently when RHEL7 went out the door and debian said we're going systemd.
I don't know why this would be amusing or surprising. Any distro could adopt any new feature/system/etc and, while there may be criticism, the majority will not be up in arms regardless of the decision is there are still a wide variety of other acceptable distros that retain the previous feature.
For example, if RHEL (and thus CentOS), and Suse, and Fedora, and Ubuntu, and Debian all went to Gnome 3 at the same time and did so with tight integration (ie. not simple to downgrade to Gnome 2), then everyone wo
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What if one doesn't want to use systemd for init, but still wants logind and/or systemd-dbus?
You don't. Just like you can't use XRender without an X11 implementation.
So you can, since you could use XFree86 or Xorg or Kdrive and probably others.
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Yep. Nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to use a systemd based distro. You can always roll your own. THe software is free and out there. Nobody is going to take the source code for SysV init from you. You have complete and utter freedom to use whatever software you want. Just don't expect your favourite distro to bend over backwards just to please you.
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You can try and use them. But a modern X desktop on anything but Xorg's Xserver is untested and unsupported. If it works at all.
Effectively, modern X desktops depend on Xorg's Xserver as the others (XFree86, Kdrive) lag too behind in development.
Regarding your first question.
A number of distributions (including RHEL6) used systemd-logind without running systemd as init.
However, to do so with a modern kernel, you need to implement systemd' cgroup proxy functionality.
Ubuntu has done just that, in the form of
There is X even on MS Windows (Score:2)
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You know what amuses me about all this systemd hate.
Fedora was the first distro to go systemd by default back in F15. There were a few growing pains, but there wasn't the coordinated systemd hatred until pretty much recently when RHEL7 went out the door and debian said we're going systemd.
Well, some of it was simply that I had better things to do with my time than upgrade Fedora.
When I did, that's when I encountered systemd.
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Fedora Server: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki... [fedoraproject.org]
It's still got systemd in it, but you can always choose to use a different distro. That's the great thing about Free software.
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Screw Red Hat
Sorry, no. When you actually look at the delta between Red Hat and Fedora it's pretty easy to understand the separation. Red Hat sucks on the desktop; library and kernel versions are ancient, whereas Fedora is very current; if it doesn't build on a recent Fedora it is probably a terrible piece of work. On the other hand, Fedora would be a real horror show in an enterprise environment that requires stability, while any given release of Red Hat offers 10 years of production support and binary compatibility
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And to be fair, Fedora is rock solid as a workstation. At least for me it has been the least complicated distro to install, upgrading one time per year on my desktop and each 6 months in my laptop.
You have to get used to change, but if you are a developer not concerned with learning a few new things every year it's ok.
It should receive some more love on the desktop side, it's getting unintuitive for beginners.
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Wrong, they should have one distro. Other superior distros show how. Alternative new kernel version could be in the repository, for example, as can alternative newer versions of scripting languages,etc as seperate package sets. Not following this strategy is why people have fled Red Hat in droves in the server space.
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There is a big difference between "sponsoring" and "owning". Sure some of the features of Fedora get incorporated into a commercial release of Redhat Linux but because Fedora is open source those same features can be incorporated into other Linux distros.
You will always find that commercial releases of a Linux distro are at least one to two years behind a stable release and a development release can be a couple of months to a year ahead of a s
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There's less difference between sponsoring and owning when Red Hat employees do a lot of the Fedora work.
"Blocker bugs" - just ignore them like Ubuntu (Score:2, Informative)
At least they acknowlege the concept of "blocker bugs". Those doesn't seem to bother Ubuntu. See "Bug #1274672: Fresh install of 12.04.3 fails to upgrade to 14.04" [launchpad.net] You can't upgrade Ubuntu because of a packaging problem related to Xorg. Ubuntu developers tried to deny the problem, which has a few thousand hits on Google. Finally somebody installed the old version in an empty virtual machine and demonstrated that, even after a completely clean install, the upgrade wouldn't work.
(There's a workaround. Comp
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(Correction: uninstall Xorg and the GUI)
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There's a workaround. Completely install Xorg and the GUI, and, from the command line, do the upgrade. Then re-install the GUI. Really. Wonder why Linux can't make it on the desktop? It's stuff like this
I ha
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Geezus, you're an idiot. How long did you search before found a bug bash Ubuntu with?
1. The bug report is from January and 14.04 was still in Alpha. Guess what? Alpha software is fucking buggy, just ask your Fedora friends.
2. The upgrade problem had to do with only those systems that had Ubuntu's hardware enablement stack enabled. Most don't.
3. Ubuntu's official policy for LTS to LTS upgrades is to wait until xx.xx.1 version is released. 14.04.1 was released near the end of July. Upgrading 12.04.5 with HWE
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So why didn't you first go to 12.04.5 and then to 14.04 with no issues like you were supposed to. Instead you whine about jumping from a weird start point. The biggest blocker bug is between your ears. Linux made it as my desktop years ago, it's obvious what your problem is.
About time (Score:2)
A Fedora community member releases periodic respins of Fedora stable releases; they're not official releases and they don't go through QA but FWIW I'd trust the guy if I needed a respun image in a pinch. http://jbwillia.wordpress.com/ [wordpress.com] is his site, you can find the spins at https://alt.fedoraproject.org/... [fedoraproject.org] .
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Fedora 21 Beta Screenshots (Score:1)