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Synaptic Dropped From Ubuntu 11.10 360

An anonymous reader links to a story at Techie Buzz according to which (quoting): "When Canonical started developing the Ubuntu Software Center, I knew that a time will come when it will completely replace Synaptic. The Software Center is a noob-friendly replacement for Synaptic where users can discover new applications more easily. Unexpectedly, Canonical has decided that it is time for the Software Center to replace Synaptic as well. So, in the next daily build of Ubuntu 11.10, Synaptic will no longer be installed by default. The Ubuntu Software Center still lacks many important features that are present in Synaptic."
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Synaptic Dropped From Ubuntu 11.10

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  • Shocking... (Score:3, Informative)

    by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Thursday June 23, 2011 @06:16PM (#36547912) Journal
    So. First there is dpkg. Upon dpkg stands APT, for your greater ease and convenience. Upon APT stands synaptic, for your GUI-based package management needs.

    Yeah, I'm just not really surprised that somebody might attempt to replace the easy, graphical, user-friendly tool at the end of this particular chain with one that they believe is easier, more user-friendly, or whatever. The tool being deprecated essentially filled the same niche, and the whole lot rests upon the same fundamental architecture.
  • Not a big deal (Score:5, Informative)

    by Annirak ( 181684 ) on Thursday June 23, 2011 @06:18PM (#36547940)

    If you want it, you've got it.

    $ sudo apt-get install synaptic


  • Re:Shocking... (Score:4, Informative)

    by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Thursday June 23, 2011 @06:27PM (#36548084) Journal
    My understanding is that all three, synaptic, USC, and aptitude, are apt frontends, with aptitude being the only one that(by default, I think it is an option now) uses ncurses rather than GTK.
  • Re:Install (Score:5, Informative)

    by leamanc ( 961376 ) on Thursday June 23, 2011 @06:31PM (#36548128) Homepage Journal

    No, they didn't need the space. It has been Canonical's plan for a while to drop Synaptic and Update Manager (and any other GUI apps that are front ends to the various apt tools) and roll everything into Software Center.

    It's been on their roadmap for a while, and I was surprised that Synaptic made it into 11.04. I am also surprised that Update Manager is hanging around.

    This is all in the interest of average-Joe users who don't need to know the differences between Synaptic and Software Center, or how they overlap with each other, or with Update Manager. Long-time users or power users can go install Synaptic from the repos if they like, or use apt or dpkg at the command line. Me personally, I always update with 'sudo apt-get update' on the command line because I find it faster than Update Manager. But Grandma doesn't need to do that; software installation and updating should be done all in one place for her.

  • by X10 ( 186866 ) on Thursday June 23, 2011 @06:43PM (#36548290) Homepage

    Didn't Heinrich Heine say something like "where they make important features optional, tomorrow they'll remove them altogether" ?

  • by DragonWriter ( 970822 ) on Thursday June 23, 2011 @07:10PM (#36548632)

    Continuing to require Ubuntu to only be released as a CD-sized ISO is a backward step IMHO. At least also provide a DVD image.

    Ubuntu provides a number of alternative images besides the normal desktop install CD image, including a DVD image, and has for several years.

    It seems to me a more likely reason for dropping Synaptic is that the marketing minds behind Ubuntu are gradually eliminating support for those pesky power users.

    Synaptic has been replaced by the Ubuntu Software Center as the primary package management UI for Ubuntu for a while; the decision not to include it on the CD is a change with little actual effect, especially on power users, who can presumably figure out how to install something that is in the repositories but not on the CD. If they really don't like USC, they can do it through the command line, since the command line tools aren't being taken out of the CD, or even the base install.

    Any more dumbing down of Ubuntu and I for one will be dropping it.

    Ubuntu is, overtly, intended to be, first and foremost, Linux for casual mass-market users, and the default install (and the packages available on the default install media) reflect that. Now, Ubuntu continues to support other users with packages available in the repositories and on alternate install media (and in alternate distributions in the Ubuntu family; e.g., Ubuntu Server is, naturally, not intended for casual mass-market users), but complaining that the default Ubuntu install and default install media are exactly what Ubuntu markets itself as is, well, somewhat pointless.

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