Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 "Lenny" Released 386
Alexander "Tolimar" Reichle-Schmehl writes "The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 5.0 (codenamed Lenny) after 22 months of constant development. With 12 supported computer architectures, more than 23,000 packages built from over 12,000 source packages and 63 languages for the new graphical installer, this release sets new records, once again. Software available in 5.0 includes Linux 2.6.26, KDE 3.5.10, Gnome 2.22.2, X.Org 7.3, OpenOffice.org 2.4.1, GIMP 2.4.7, Iceweasel 3.0.6, Apache 2.2.9, Xen 3.2.1 and GCC 4.3.2. Other notable features are X autoconfiguring itself, full read-write support for NTFS, Java programs in the main repository and a single Blu-Ray disc installation media. You can get the ISOs via bittorrent. The Debian Project also wishes to announce that this release is dedicated to Thiemo Seufer, a Debian Developer who died on December 26th, 2008 in a tragic car accident. As a valuable member of the Debian Project, he will be sorely missed."
remember (Score:1, Informative)
Re:A Debian release! (Score:5, Informative)
Huh?
While it's easy to pile on with the melodrama, the last stable release, Etch, was in the middle of '07. A year and a half is an entirely reasonable amount of time to wait for an operating system release.
I, for one, congratulate them on and thank them for their timely release!
Screenshots + DPL interview (Score:5, Informative)
Re:remember (Score:5, Informative)
Re:A Debian release! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:A Debian release! (Score:4, Informative)
Etch took one month less than lenny. [debian.org]
Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (Score:5, Informative)
Now when sid starts moving again, KDE 4.2 will go in - completely avoiding the earlier, less complete releases that everybody was ranting about.
Hopefully they will freeze KDE 4.3 with Qt 4.5. Freezing kde at 4.2 would seem like a mistake, when you consider that KDE people mostly focus on fixing bugs for 4.3. Also, Qt 4.5 should bring big performance improvements.
Re:A Debian release! (Score:5, Informative)
note: theese lengths only take account of the month not the time in the month so they may be a little off but they are good enough for the purpose
buzz->rex 6 months
rex->bo 6 months
bo->hamm 13 months
hamm->slink 8 months
slink->potato 17 months
potato->woody 23 months
woody->sarge 35 months
sarge->etch 22 months
etch->lenny 22 months
Re:Blu-Ray? (Score:4, Informative)
It is not going to be in the archives because it would waste a huge amount of space. You may build it yourself using jigdo.
Re:Blu-Ray? (Score:3, Informative)
IIRC you need to use jigdo to assemble them from the packages. This page hints at that:
http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ [debian.org]
Re:Blu-Ray? (Score:2, Informative)
It was also mentioned on the dev announce list:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/01/msg00002.html [debian.org]
Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (Score:2, Informative)
a freeze is quite a ways away, we just had a hard freeze and now is long merge time.
Hardware donations (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (Score:4, Informative)
I'm using Lenny right now (though Gnome), and I see both 3.5 and 4 available in Synaptic.
We shouldn't forget the Debian Live project [debian.net] which has live CDs for Gnome, KDE, XFCE, and LXDE.
Re:Thiemo (Score:4, Informative)
The word "tragic" has an actual meaning, you know. If the accident were the ineluctable consequence of a character flaw -- and I do not suggest that this be the case -- then the usage would be correct and informative.
Re:release with 84 RC bugs? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:OT question ... (Score:4, Informative)
There's nothing "grey" about the DVD solution. Using libdvdcss in the USA is a violation of the DMCA, and consequently is illegal at a federal level.
Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (Score:5, Informative)
Oh ffs, the OpenSSL developers were just as responsible for the snafu as Debian was. More so I'd say since the Debian developer asked on the openssl-dev list about his patch and whether anyone had any objections to it. Here's the response he got from a OpenSSL developer:http://marc.info/?l=openssl-dev&m=114652287210110&w=2/ [marc.info]
Got that? He was given the ok by a OpenSSL developer. They're every bit as responsible as Debian.
Re:Blu-Ray? (Score:1, Informative)
Certainly true - but if I use jigdo to assemble the Blu-Ray ISO image myself, then surely, I'm still downloading the same 20 GB?
Also, this only applies to http/ftp downloads, not BitTorrent. In fact, with a Blu-Ray ISO image on BitTorrent, there'd probably be less bandwidth usage on mirrors overall.
(And before anyone asks, I'd have been more than happy to seed the image, too. In fact, doing that - for other distros etc. - is why I get transfer volumes of ~200 GB per month to begin with.)
Re:Spontaneous upgrade for me... (Score:3, Informative)
Point your sources to oldstable if you want to keep etch :)
Or point them to etch, which will work as well.
I should add my favorite part of unstable (Score:3, Informative)
You get world-class support for bugfixes, reasonable enhancement requests, package-interaction issues, and so on, often with new versions available within days of filing a good bug report. You get some of that in stable, but with a less satisfying lag until the next point release (or with more minor issues until the next major release).
That was really what blew me away when I switched in 2002 from running Windows 2000 full-time to running Debian sid/unstable full time. Complex issues like some program depending on a system behavior that had since changed weren't passed off as someone else's problem, or left for being fixed in the next version. Someone responded, often within hours, asking for details where necessary, we went back and forth by email a few times, they consulted with other maintainers if it was a multi-package issue, and a few days later the problem was fixed. In my day job, I don't get that level of support even for $600 software packages, even after an hour on the phone with inexperienced flunkies.
Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (Score:0, Informative)
"No GUI to adjust the clock"
There's a GUI if you use gnome-terminal:
#> date -s 13:54:23
I think I've just learned as much about Ubuntu's target audience as I need to...
Re:Spontaneous upgrade for me... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (Score:3, Informative)
It was right there in bold when I installed openSUSE.
But more importantly, even your link says it's a test release, so they can get feedback ...:
No rewrite of history necessary. Everyone knew this was alpha-quality software. The distros made it clear during the install process that this was just for getting a first look at KDE 4x. The only ones doing the whining are those who didn't bother to get a clue.
Re:unstable is pretty stable too, really (Score:3, Informative)
Or am I just talking out my arse again?
Yes. Arrange every software producer by the quality of their releases, and Debian is very likely at or near the top.
"Unstable" is not a release. Don't you think that somebody who specifically installs something called "unstable" is expecting to do a bit of testing? These are people for whom the latest & greatest is worth it.
If you install Debian Stable, it is rock solid. The testing has been done. All the features and polish have already been added; only security updates will be made.
Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (Score:3, Informative)
Strike the word "barely". It was just plain unusable. I blame KDE4 for that editing error.
I agree that that press release did not convey what the developers and people reading the mailing lists understood: That KDE 4.0 was released to allow wider testing, but especially to allow kdelibs based applications to start porting to KDE 4.0. And really should only be installed alongside 3.5.
Still, the past is past. KDE 4.2 is definitely for nearly everyone, though a few rough areas exists (e.g. 2-screen setup is not completely possible with GUI alone, though at least it acts decently instead of doing weird stuff). And the present-windows-task-switcher was worth the wait (ok, most people hate it, but it fits me like a glove :) )
Re:OT question ... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Newsworthy. Actuall news. (Score:4, Informative)
Got that? He was given the ok by a OpenSSL developer. They're every bit as responsible as Debian.
Not quite. The openssl developer was right that the change didn't cause a significant problem when applied to the lines the Debian dev asked about. The Debian dev then applied the change both there and to another bit of code, and it was that second -- unreviewed -- change that did the damage.
Re:Best KDE 3.5 distro? (Score:3, Informative)
KDE releases every six months, so Squeeze should get 4.3 at very least, and 4.4 is likely. 4.5 is even a slight possibility, I would guess.
Re:Blu-Ray? (Score:1, Informative)
Good grief, there's always one, isn't there. 20 Gigs indeed :-D
You could try reading the Debian download page, but just to help you, here's a *direct* quote:
"The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system.
To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them."