The 2008 Linux and Free Software Timeline 133
diegocgteleline.es writes "Here is LWN's eleventh annual timeline of significant events in the Linux and free software world for the year. As always, 2008 proved to be an interesting year, with great progress in useful software that made our systems better. Of course, there were some of the usual conflicts — patent woes, project politics, and arguments over freedom — but overall, the pace of free software progress stayed on its upwardly increasing trend. 2008 was a year that saw the end of SCO — or not — the rise of Linux-based 'netbooks,' multiple excellent distribution releases, more phones and embedded devices based on Linux, as well as major releases of software we will be using for years (X.org, Python, KDE, ...)."
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It is in Vietnam!
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1999 was the year of Linux on my desktop. And 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, to infinity and beyond.
You got modded as funny because people who were raised on Microsoft desktops just can't imagine anything else. But remember that Linux doesn't have to destroy Microsoft to win. Linux just has to even the playing field, something that is occurring slowly but steadily. The moment that Microsoft loses its ability to dictate something because Linux provides an alternative, Microsoft has lost something. Over time, those little losses add up.
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I understand what you are saying. But Windows is often filling a gap of it's own making. For instance synching a windows mobile device -- of course it works well with Windows. It's specifically designed to.
It's not so much that Windows is filling a gap that Linux cannot, is that some popular devices are not designed to work with Linux. Of course, they could be, but the developers choose not to do so. As consumers we have a choice of what devices to buy. If we buy devices that work with Linux, then the
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...is presumably the Year Of Linux On The Desktop?
No. It is not.
And why should it be?
The market is slowly moving away from the desktop and towards laptops, netbooks, embedded devices... and Linux is not that uncommon there. And is getting commoner.
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It is the year of "Desktop Indifference". It doesn't matter anymore which operating system you run for the desktop of the future. Exit costs are getting lower. It is natural now for new software to support Mac and Linux users as it is coded platform independent.
We will see new Linux desktops as LXDE or XFCE gain ground that focus on key functionality and simplicity. 2009 is also the year when KDE4 gets usable.
Re:2009 (Score:5, Funny)
The last thing i want is Linux to be windows. Thats why i don't use windows.
You don't use Windows to stop Linux from being windows?
Is Linux following you?
You did give him some food, didn't you? Told you not to feed the OSs.
Re:2009 (Score:5, Insightful)
You don't use Windows to stop Linux from being windows?
If you were to go merely by looks, Windows 7 is now practically identical to KDE4 interface. In fact they are so frightfully similar, you'd get the impression that they have same GUI developers.
On the positive side, if they looked alike, people would have no problem transitioning to the *nix+KDE side
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And in turn KDE 4 looks like a lot of themes that existed in one form or the other for KDE 3.5 at kde-look.org
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On the other hand, it makes sense for the KDE devs to rely on the community for some of their ideas. As a matter of fact, if they didn't, I would think something was wrong.
With all the money Microsoft invests into their OS releases, I expect to walk up to a laptop in Best Buy (the only experience I get with Windows these days
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Both seemed to have drawn ideas by looking at the popular themes from the OS skinning community associated with each interfaces. It's a shame that this wasn't done back in the Win9x+WindowsBlinds days when Microsoft thought Luna would impress everyone.
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And on the negative side, there would be no alternative to the notoriously bad interface design of Microsoft and those imitating them.
I just hope I can finish my current projects quickly and help fix this mess...
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Why do you care about a native client so much?
Having a native client doesn't make it better, in fact it'd probably be worse because it would be a crappy port of the windows version.
If this mythical port existed then running the windows client via WINE would most likely be better because WINE is very strictly tested where as a developer doing a crappy port wouldn't take as much care. The Linux client would also most likely lag behind the windows version.
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There isn't any reason that software couldn't be written to standards that are already cross-platform (in this case, dealing specifically with games) to minimize any porting needed. I very much don't believe I deserved the Troll mod I received as software compatibility is very much a real issue, especially for business (I have to deal with such all the time in my job).
I care about a native client "so much" because, very often, emulation just doesn't work as well as running native code. Go ahead, try to di
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There are plenty of good reasons why cross platform is an impossibility right now. One is that major game developers have already invested in making a game engine which relies heavily in windows API calls. Oblivion's Engine was used in Fallout 3. Valve has spent millions on their Source engine which they license to other game companies.
From your post I can see you either haven't used wine for a long time or invested any real time in learning how to use it.
This is just simply wrong. WINE doesn't emulate anything. The very name WINE stands for "Wine is not an emulator".
What wine does is redirect API calls so that windows programs run.
If for example your windows program calls a d3d9 function example(x,y,z) then all wine does is implement this function as so..
HRESULT WINAPI example(x, y, z) {
(do whatever this function does on windows via linux libraries)
return WHATEVER;
}
There's no emulation (in the virtual machine sense) going on at all, it's all API redirections.
I don't know about that but users of Fallout 3, Left4Dead have no problems running wine. In fact if you visited wines appdb there's a whole load of games which run.
Fallout 3, Team Fortress, WoW, are all marked as Gold.
Like I said earlier they do, so you're just lying about the majority of games not working. There are no games that I know of apart from 2 (both microsoft games) which are DX10 only and I very much doubt there will be any outside of Microsoft which are for a very long time. When that time comes DX10 will probably be almost finished in wine.
DX10 support in wine is already progressing. If you download the latest version of wine you'll see implementations of D3D10 already there, however a lot of the functions are stubbed.
I don't quite understand how you got to that reasoning however like the rest of your post, it is all based on false assumptions.
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You keep thinking that. I think I'll stick to the information I've received from the CGA club on campus, along with what I've experienced first hand from the local LUG/Math & CS department...
It's nice, and all, that you found a few games marked as "Gold" -- strange, however, that you decided not to mention any of the games I specifically named. You aren't helping your argument. I may as well harped on about X not working on a Dodge, to have you shoot back that thing Z works great on a Ford.
As to DX10
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I didn't realise I had to however ok..
Age of Empires 3 - Gold rating [winehq.org]
D&D Online - Platinum rating [winehq.org]
Blind leading the blind. Good luck with that.
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I laugh at people like you, especially when you don't do your homework:
D&D Online. Platinum rating?! HAHAHAHAHA!
"However, one major thing is simply not working, and it is not generating any errors. I can not send or receive guild chats or party chats, and my client also never joins voice chat." - Oct 2006
"I had the chat server drop and reconnect, and saw guild chat no prob, but party and voice didn't work. Anybody know if that's being worked on?" -- January 2008
"Party chat still does not work. I ca
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Again, you're digging yourself into a hole. It's getting pathetic that you are trying to find anything to fault, even last years posts from months and months ago.
Age of empires hasn't been rated platinum ever so I don't really understand what you're talking about.
With that said, this will be my last reply as I can see you're the type of person that is "crazy stupid" and will try anything to "win" an
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Oblivion and Fallout 3 both use the cross-platform Gamebryo engine, and Source is coming to Linux [phoronix.com]. Source is derived from Goldsrc, which was derived from Quake, which itself
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Oblivion and Fallout 3 are windows only and that's not going to change.
The same for the Source engine. You cite a link however its a rumour at best. Looking for a system admin that knows linux doesn't mean they're going to port their games. Did you even read the article you supplied? I know I did months and months ago, oh look! It hasn't happened.
It sucks that you have problems however lots of people don't hence all the good ratings in wine's app db, all submitted by users.
I argue in favour of wine because
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You couldn't have selected a worse example. That game was commissioned by our military. They have other things they need to direct their funds at than a game.
Yup. That took a whole lot of higher brain functions to think about...
Also, with the military selecting WINDOWS for their OS's installed upon warships (I can't possibly fathom what they were thinking there), isn't it just *slightly* possible that someone "higher up" decided this "linux thing" was just a fad and shit-canned the entire linux port proj
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You mean, all the stuff that doesn't have Vista/Windows 7 drivers and never will, but works in Linux?
If only Microsoft hadn't deliberately broken XP drivers in Vista ...
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Ummmm... What?
Of the three desktops I currently have running in my house, none of them less than a year to year and a half old, not one of them has a piece of hardware that worked in XP, but not Vista. My laptop required some downloads from device vendors (because MSI only bundled drivers for Vista), but that wasn't difficult. I actually had more of an issue getting the webcam, bluetooth, and sound working in XP (again, the OEM didn't bundle XP drivers on the driver disk the system came with). I purchas
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The trouble with Linux hardware support is that an incredible range of stuff Just Works ... but if it doesn't Just Work, you're basically buggered.
This is incrementally improving, but it'll take hardware makers treating Linux as a first-class platform they can't get away with not supporting. Like server makers - no-one would be insane enough to make an x86 server that doesn't support Linux immaculately.
I suggest you keep using the platform that serves your purpose - the right answer to "which OS should
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I'd normally not respond to an AC, but in this case...
I'm fairly certain that a stack of stuff I have sitting in my spare bedroom (including a TV tuner and a few mainboards with built in hardware of various bits) would like to disagree with you.
Yes, hardware support has gotten *far* better for linux. I was quite correct in stating, specifically, web cams and printers for hardware. Most "host based" printers are, quite simply, not going to work in linux. Period. These printers are the cheap HP DJ3000 ser
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Windows support for hardware has been stagnant. 64bit PCs routinely ship with 32bit versions of Windows. If you try to do something about that such as install 64bit Windows XP, you'll find it can't even finish booting the install CD because it doesn't have suitable CD drivers. Not fun to hunt up an obsolete 3.5" floppy drive and disk and install it just so drivers can be loaded.
Not fair, perhaps, to rag on an 8 year old OS? Ok, Windows Server 2003 has the same problems. Still not fair? Then ask why
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What are you talking about? You know MS doesn't make the majority of the drivers in Windows, right? The OEM's submit them to MS for inclusion in Windows. Anything not there will have to be provided by the computer OEM or downloaded yourself (which is what I had to do with my laptop).
I have a feeling the "recovery CD/partition" is mostly an issue caused by the OEM's themselves. Buying/providing the CD cost money (however little). ANY pennies they can save helps them against their competition. The only
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Such a machine is just perfect to bring along to Starbucks. You just sit there, occasionally taking a sip of that wonderful rose scented macchiato, right?
Insecure much? Your post says for more about yourself than it contributes to the conversation.
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Turkish delight is rose flavoured and it goes OK with coffee.
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As always (Score:5, Funny)
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As always, we live in interesting times.
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"For every year y where y = 2008, y is interesting" - this makes sense in the mathematic sense, but in the language sense it doesn't.
Stand back, we're doing science! (Score:4, Funny)
Yes. Our community has made excellent progress this past year. We created our first undead corporation. We shall now replicate this process to form legions of unkillable tech companies that are immune to lawyers, governments, and fanboys. And Microsoft outdid themselves... We thought Microsoft Bob was their rock bottom, but Vista proved that our expectations were, perhaps, not low enough. Wonder twin powers of Vampirism and Suck unite!
most exciting thing for me: Wine 1.0 (Score:5, Interesting)
The thing is, I'm no longer playing nwn because I can run Civ IV, Medieval 2 and a bunch of other newer games using wine instead. Yes, I still have to dual-boot into windows to run the newest games at high resolutions and good frame-rates, but older games are getting very playable using wine and the number of hacks you have to do to get them to run is decreasing. It's great! Just about the only one that you have to install on a regular basis is the no-CD hack, but that's a useful thing to have anyway. Some stuff just makes me laugh, like when punkbuster runs for Far Cry 2 and bitches at you because it thinks you're a punk, you just close the window and the installation continues. (Unfortunately Far Cry 2 is one of those that doesn't run very well at high resolution.)
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E.g., this time last year, I was still having to run a patched version of winex from cedega to get the map editor in neverwinter nights to run and even then it still crashed periodically. This year, that app runs using the stock wine code.
The NWN map editor wasn't released as a Linux version like the NWN client was?
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That's pretty weird. I had nostalgic fun running NWN in Linux when the client came out, but I never tried using the map editor.
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Fuck you. Because of you I now have to reinstall a large bunch of old games on Wine to see if I can make them work again.
I hope you are proud of yourself now, asshole.
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It's a shame that Linux distros don't take wine seriously.
On desktop distros, wine should be installed by default so that installing a windows game is as easy as in windows (run setup.exe automatically - or at least ask the user, etc).
And it's not impossible to have a database of "hacks" which automatically detects (hashes, file names) which game is being loaded, and applies automatically the required hack.
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All that is needed basically is more Wine development. Wine development does not scale very well. The future will be probably dedicated development. E.g. a team that will just work on getting a popular application X work and is funded to make sure the application does not break under wine and all bugs get smashed. I guess many users would be willing to pay 20$ to fund a stable running of MS Office 2003 under Wine. Some software manufacturers can find it useful to make their applications run unter Wine or is
Re:most exciting thing for me: Wine 1.0 (Score:4, Informative)
And yet, bug 6971 [winehq.org] is still outstanding. It's the second highest voted bug on their bugzilla, and it's been open since 2006. They call it a "normal" severity bug, yet it clearly meets the definition for a "major" severity bug. That is: "Major loss of functionality for a wide range of applications." Just about every Unreal engine game is unplayable because of this bug. It was supposed to be fixed for 1.0, but it keeps getting deferred. I don't see why this isn't a higher priority for them. It obviously affects a lot of users, just look at all the duplicate bug reports for this one!
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It is less useless than it used to be. Now you can simply always add the latest version to your repositories. Progress is beeing made and bugs happen to get resolved over time.
Ah Yes... (Score:5, Funny)
As always, 2008 proved to be an interesting year
Yes, I remember the last time 2008 rolled around...we celebrated until dawn, frolicking in our pantaloons, firmly supported by our onion-garnished belts...
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linux kernel: a year of standing still? (Score:2)
".. most of it really is one-liners, and mostly not very exciting ones at that."
So it seems to me that all the advances have been in products and peripheral applications, rather than in the fundamental core of Linux: the operating system. This is a rather ominous sign as it makes me think that the development initiative has pretty much stalled - since nothing new in th
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What I'm concerned about is that Linux seems to have stalled - if minor point releases, bug fixes and new hardware are all they're doing, then I think it will be hard to keep developers interested in doing kernel work - it will seem too much like real work, but unpaid. Linux used to b
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Maybe there's no major changes because it's almost finished? (insert your own Duke Nukem joke here).
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[...] then I think it will be hard to keep developers interested in doing kernel work - it will seem too much like real work, but unpaid.
Well, it was well advertised before that kernels have little to no interesting challenges - all problems are well known and 30+ years of research is easily available.
Frankly, I'm pretty happy that Linux reached such level of stability. Perl is in the same state: after 5th release, there were very very few major changes. But why to changing anything if it works well already??
Also, stabilization of core Linux means that developers have a chance to rethink many design decisions and correct them. Before,
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http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_24 [kernelnewbies.org]
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_25 [kernelnewbies.org]
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_26 [kernelnewbies.org]
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 [kernelnewbies.org]
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28 [kernelnewbies.org]
Those are the 2008 kernel releases. They look exciting to me...
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Re:linux kernel: a year of standing still? (Score:5, Informative)
looky here [wordpress.com]
As far as quality of code, good news there as well, 2008 saw some nice updates to kernel scheduling, better virtualization, a completely new kernel-level graphic manager, and the EXT4 filesystem. These are all 'big deals' in both difficulty of coding and improvements they bring.
My Contribution To the Time LIne (Score:2, Offtopic)
Jan 3rd 2006 - Installed Gentoo Linux as a firewall+tarpit\snort\IDS\reporting server. Set up scheduled Emerge update world in Crontab
Sept 11th 2007 - rebooted said server moving to 2.6 kernel. Some issues with with portage after reboot but nothing the Gentoo Wiki didn't answer.
Sept 12th 2007 - Went to bar with friends.
Today - no reboots yet, 99.9% uptime for all reported services.
Significant events that did not happen for Linux (Score:1, Troll)
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8) a desktop based on "what do you want to do?", rather than "guess which one of the cutely named, but obscure application with far too many overly-complicated and poorly explained options, might just do half of what you want"
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8) a desktop based on "what do you want to do?", rather than "guess which one of the cutely named, but obscure application with far too many overly-complicated and poorly explained options, might just do half of what you want"
When click on the system menu here I get a list of applications called, 'Web Browser', 'Text Editor', 'E-mail Client', etc. This on a Fedora 10 KDE 4 desktop. I think that if I wanted to do something like take a screenshot, I might click on 'Graphics' and then 'Screenshot Capture Program'. Compare this to Windows, where if you want to carry out a task you usually have to remember which company wrote the piece of software that you intend to use.
You're either a troll or an idiot who hasn't touched a Linux wor
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By the way, what would you guess each of these does from the name: Outlook, QuickTime, Skype, Safari, Excel, or Cubase?
Outlook: either for looking out the window(s) or for estimating the odds for something. So maybe some kind of spreadsheet?
QuickTime: something to make the time pass quicker. Something to do on a boring day at work? Maybe one of those programs where you detect hidden mines?
Skype: begins like a sky, rhymes with type... maybe one of those old-style text processors like WordPerfect which let you type on a sky-blue background?
Safari: roaming in a car and looking at wildlife. Sounds like browsing. Especially when
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7) In Gnome that would be Cheese, but it depends on the drivers. Most webcams are based on the USB Video class or on GSPCA, and both of those types are supported on recent kernels. I haven't used it much (I don't have a webcam myself), but it looks OK.
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1) Unified API for interacting with the umpteen number of desktop environments like GNOME, KDE, Englightenment, ad nauseam.
I'm not sure what you're actually asking here. Could you expand a bit?
2) Decent voice chat clients (no please do not tell me Skype Beta works in your *picked for linux* hardware)
The Skype client works just fine on my bog-standard-off-the-shelf hardware. But I agree that a free software client would be nice. Have you tried Ekiga?
3) Unified package management system.
You're making a classic mistake. Linux is an operating system kernel. Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu and SuSE are operating system distributions. Windows is an operating system distribution and an operating system kernel. You should compare Windows to Ubuntu, or compare Windows to Fedora, or compa
If you say so (Score:2)
"You're making a classic mistake. Linux is an operating system kernel. Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu and SuSE are operating system distributions. Windows is an operating system distribution and an operating system kernel. You should compare Windows to Ubuntu, or compare Windows to Fedora, or compare Windows to Debian, not compare Windows to Linux"
Joe Sixpack: I've heard of this new OS called Linux. Should I get it instead of Windows?
Linux guy: No, Linux is just a kernel, you can't do anything with it.
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Joe Sixpack: I've heard of this new OS called Linux. Should I get it instead of Windows?
Linux guy: No, Linux is just a kernel, you can't do anything with it.
Linux guy with a clue: "Well, it's not as simple as that... believe it or not, you probably already have a computer that runs Linux, you just don't know it! You see, ..."
[OT] Your sig (Score:2)
"If it seems too easy, you're probably doing it wrong."
Heh. Sounds like doing PHP development.
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Do you mean that you should be able to sit at any Linux machine and use exactly the same command set and package names to manipulate the software load? Do you mean that you should be able to take package of binaries from a vendor and install it on any Linux machine? The latter is perfectly possible, as long as the vendor statically links all of the required libraries. They can even wrap it in a nice executable install script for you. See for instance the Quake 4 installer. And if the distribution you're installing it on top of complies with the Linux Standard Base, you might even get desktop icons and file associations.
I don't see why that would be a problem, as the same thing is used in OS X .app bundles. Therefore, the GP is just whining.
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IDE for Python. (Score:2)
> 4) Decent IDE for Python that does not suck balls
You want Eric [python-projects.org]. Great piece of software, very complete, great debugger integration.
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Except there is a bit of stagnation around the specifications. For example, no standard suspend and hibernate icon names since 2 years. This is rather annoying, but I hope they will add them soon.
More Linux programs, amaaaaaaazing ^^ (Score:2)
Politics and such can be interesting sorta, but the most interesting things to me are the best new software features, and great new Linux software in general. IMO, Linux software projects should be much more of a focus in the media, and less politics. New features and new software, especially that which is cross-distro so everyone can have access. (was going to say cross-platform
When did Sun buy Lustre? (Score:2)
2008 timeline (Score:5, Funny)
Jan: Linux conquers the desktop! ...nnnnnnnnnnnn...
Feb: No, wait...
Mar: OK, now!
Apr: Nope. Hang on...
May: Linux conquers- no, wait.
Jun: Vacation
Jul: Staycation
Aug: OK, conquering in 3... 2... wait...
Sep: Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...
Oct:
Nov: nnnnnnnnnnnnow!
Dec: No, wait...
Debian (Score:2)
Sept: "The Debian project runs into problems with firmware (again) along with an unclear general resolution ballot which causes discord, eventually leading to the resignation of the project secretary"
2008 was a typical year for Debian. By the time Lenny is released, it'll be retro-cool.
I switched, that's worth something, right? (Score:4)
Linux netbooks - The rise AND fall. (Score:2)
I was quite impressed by the Eee PC when it came out and it was fantastic to see Linux on a system selling large amounts of units.
I haven't yet got a netbook but I do want one, I'm just not sure if I'd use it enough.
Last weekend whilst out shopping I had a quick look in all the electronic stores to see what was available, there's suddenly so many netbooks there.
The problem is, not one of them was Linux based anymore. To make it worse, they were all XP Home, not even professional.
Of course, you can install L
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The netbooks run XP. A cool device with a old operating system that happens to be more reliable than Vista. XP which they wanted to abandon customer support for. XP which is good enough for most users.
Linux based netbook systems will beat windows xp because they will look better and be more modern. It is just a matter of time when hardware manufacturers will realize that Xandros was a poor choice and you need to focus on performance.
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Actually they are based to silicon, powered by elecricity and run by Linux-Operating System when controlled with Gnome-desktop environment and plastic keyboard and mouse.
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when controlled with Gnome-desktop environment
Actually, the Asus EEE and the Acer Aspire One, probably the two most popular, use KDE. Not sure about the others. Sorry to be so pedantic.
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I think they use XFCE out of the box, but with a lot of KDE applications and the Qt libraries. Couldn't confirm this, though, I installed Ubuntu on my Eee :-)
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Asus ist looking to switch to LXDE as Mandriva has done. However, they contracted MS-Xandros for the operating system.
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Ooooooh! So that's what the three E's refer to in the netbook by Asus.
* CannonballHead runs off to tell all his friends that his laptop is based on electricity but is powered by (wireless!) Linux
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Electricity is based on Linux.
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I'd pay extra for one powered by Linus
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Have we come up with a new source of funding for the Linux Foundation? Linus on an exercise bike attached to a generator?
"Have your laptop batteries charged by the Benevolent Dictator himself! Only $1000 per Kwh!"
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I'm afraid Microsoft will have felt the warm breath of the FOSS community in its fat neck, so I predict Windows 7 will actually be pleasant to use.
But that's good, right? After all, the point of all of this is that competition leads to improvements all around, and anything which makes something better for the consumer is a bonus. After all, this is about giving the consumer more and better choices, yes? Not just some arbitrary ego-massaging war...
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Of course it's great!
But part of me wants Microsoft to fail again, because that could drive them over the edge.
Competition's great and that's why without one monolithic company controlling 90% of the OS market, the consumer would be better off.
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warm breath of the FOSS community
Are you saying we are full of hot air?
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US == Economy by Ponzi? Show me your evidence.