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openSUSE Launches 11.1 173

Novell has unveiled their latest release to the openSUSE line with 11.1. Offering both updates and new features, Novell continues to push for more openness and transparency. The new release includes Linux kernel 2.6.27, Python 2.6, Mono 2.0, OpenOffice 3.0, and many others. "[...] Our choice was also influenced by impressive changes that are transpiring in the openSUSE community, which is growing rapidly and is also becoming more open, inclusive, and transparent. Last month, the project announced its first community-elected board, a major milestone in its advancement towards community empowerment. This is a very good openSUSE release and it delivers some very impressive enhancements. The distro has evolved tremendously in the past two releases and is becoming a very solid and usable option for regular users."
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openSUSE Launches 11.1

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  • It is an Microsoft os. Novell have gone to the darkside. Mono - oh dear NO Thanks.

    • by ThePhilips ( 752041 ) on Monday December 15, 2008 @03:11PM (#26122821) Homepage Journal

      Kids, you read too much of rabbid flames []...

      As I'm concerned, SUSE is good OS. Let the rest be sorted out by GPL.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by sjwest ( 948274 )

        'Nobody got fired for buying Microsoft' please explain why HP uses SLED and not say debian ? or Fedora (redhat?)

        Used to be a suse user myself - then Novell came.

        The GPL is time consuming remember those 235 patent infingements that ms have 'yet' to name ?

        I'm not 'rabbid' just theres better distro's out there.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by NotBorg ( 829820 ) *

      Yes Mono. Software that would have required a Windows box is now running on a Linux box.

      It's terrible that organizations have another option for migrating to a non Microsoft Platform. Obviously they should rewrite their software from scratch or stay away from Linux. Linux is pure and holy!!! The power of Linus compels you!

      Samba, Wine, Evolution, Pidgin, etc, etc, are all evil too.

      Yeah I know... all those packages that could be useful for migrating away from a Genuine Microsoft OS are e

  • by FudRucker ( 866063 ) on Monday December 15, 2008 @02:27PM (#26122273)
    paste from distrowatch weekly:

    The Faculty of Physical Sciences at the University of Glasgow recently migrated their main logon server across to Slackware Linux. Shane Kelly writes: "A little while ago, the requirements for data transfer from some overseas research sites jumped tremendously, meaning I needed to assess the impact on our aging 'log in' server that was used as a portal to the Physics network." Their original server running SUSE Linux 9.3 had been working well, handling numerous login sessions, but its P3 CPU, 100 Mb network card and 96 MB of RAM were no longer enough to handle the increasing load. A new AMD Opteron-based server was selected and when it came time to choose a distribution, he headed here to to help decide. "I have never liked Red Hat (too many 'extras' between you and the operating system), ditto SUSE, and looking at the top twenty Linux distributions on DistroWatch, I could see that many were more suited to desktops, while many more had no 'pedigree' and were simply re-vamped editions of something else. Then my eye hit upon an old-timer that was said to be a bit difficult, devoid of GUI management tools, and rock solid. Yep, I'm talking about Slackware, the oldest surviving Linux distribution, now at version 12.1". The author is happy to be re-acquainted with his old friend Slackware and is recommending it to others for use on their servers.
  • umm its not out yet (Score:5, Informative)

    by asv108 ( 141455 ) <[moc.ssovi] [ta] [vsa]> on Monday December 15, 2008 @02:32PM (#26122345) Homepage Journal
    openSUSE 11.1, the next major version of the company's community-driven Linux distribution, is scheduled for release on December 17.
  • by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Monday December 15, 2008 @02:44PM (#26122531) Homepage Journal

    Novell is "pushing" for more openness? Why does it take "pushing"? Novell owns SuSE - it can just open it as much as it wants. Finally opening the project governance to the community that's been contributing for years isn't even "pushing", or at least not harder than inertia.

    Novell does seem to be gradually getting around to opening SuSE. Which is good. But since SuSE could be doing even better if Novell just opened it more, and more quickly, bottlenecked by only it's community's maturity and not by corporate hesitance, I'm not believing this happy talk about "pushing".

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by ThePhilips ( 752041 )

      A reasonable alternative is to use a distribution which keeps a clear distinction between free software and non-free.

      Unlike RH and some other companies, Novell didn't claimed any openness until community shaped around openSUSE.

      Just recall Fedora earlier days: RH claimed it was open (in whatever sense they meant it), yet RH retained rights to do whatever it liked with it. And there was no community - or rather original Fedora community was simply excluded from the development process.

      Novell did it right - they learned mistakes of Fedora and did none of them. They first forked and opened distro, assigned internal dev

    • What more do they need to open, really ? Isn't openSUSE just SUSE minus commercial support ?
    • "Novell owns SuSE"

      Well, not exactly... Novell bought SuSE and now it owns SUSE. Remember that's bussiness: capitalization matters!

  • by jfbilodeau ( 931293 ) on Monday December 15, 2008 @02:48PM (#26122571) Homepage

    It seems that every post that points out the Novell/Microsoft deal are marked as troll or flamebait.

    I know it's a hot issue and the Microsoft/Novell deal still bothers me, but anyone bringing up this issue is automatically tagged as troll. Care to explain?

    • Sure.

      The reason is that the Novell-Microsoft deal was discussed in length the month after it took place. Little is left to say.

    • by ionix5891 ( 1228718 ) on Monday December 15, 2008 @03:25PM (#26123027)

      um maybe because they are trolling

    • It seems I was not alone with that impression. I agree that many of the replies qualified as trolling, but some of the 'insightful' replies are now marked as such.

      For instance: []

    • Deal is between M$ and Novell. Between you (as user) and Novell stands GPL. Users are NOT affected by the deal.

      If Novell truly goes to dark side... Stop. Actually, if you read history of Novell, you would notice that they are of the dark side: company run by lawyers (M$ being company run by sales).

      Though point stands: flaming Novell for deal with M$ is silly and pointless as it doesn't affect normal SUSE users. On other side, business users (== paying customers) are more than happy about the deal and

    • Yeah, I don't care when I'm being modded as troll for a bad joke, but I hate when somebody is marked troll/-1 because of:

      * being critic to Linux/Unix/FSF/Distros as if they were totems
      * discovering something positive in/from the proprietary businesses (exception of google or IBM)

      so I'm forced to read at lower mod level, and normally I don't have the time for it. Maybe it calls for a new mod tag with neutral punctuation: "Troll because of Atheism".

  • by Anonymous Coward

    RHEL has an "open" clone, CentOS.

    Where is the "open" clone of SLES?

  • by Ecuador ( 740021 ) on Monday December 15, 2008 @04:01PM (#26123511) Homepage

    I am a long-time SuSE fan, since it had the least problems with my hardware (esp. laptops), could get my favorite package manager (apt, although since 10.3 & zypper you don't need it), and its config tool Yast was better than most things out there. When our company needed 64bit servers (running VMware among other things) about 4 years ago, SuSE was the best option.
    And with every version, it did get much better... until the dreaded 11. At first I installed a SuSE 11 beta on an AMD system to check out KDE 4. As you all know, KDE 4.0 was nothing to look at unless you were a KDE developer, so I didn't have much fun there as a KDE user, however I noticed that the system was VERY unstable, even for a beta. I am not used to seeing hard locks even on beta linux distros.
    Anyway, I gave SuSE 11 a shot when it came out. I installed it on a very common Core 2 system (Asus mobo, fresh bios etc). A few seconds after you started KDE (random number), even WITHOUT doing anything, the screen would freeze, and there was nothing you could do, no ctrl+F1, or ssh etc, it was a hard lock. If you switched off and on, nothing out of the ordinary was on the system logs... Tried three clean installations, same behavior, gave up and reinstalled 10.3 (which was always fine). I never had a hard lock with out any clue in the logs, so I could not imagine how I could troubleshoot (without randomly trying things)...
    Sorry for the rant, I hope I am allowed a little bit as a SuSE fan. Anyway really hope 11.1 is what 11 should have been for me...

    • Overall, its one of the most feature rich KDE based distros, and like in PCLinxOS, I love having the option to restart into another distro. I found the beta releases to have better hardware detection than 11, but the over all system ran too slow for daily use. Maybe my hardware is too old (amd64 Semperon 3200+ )?

      After a month of testing, I gave up and went back to kubuntu, but the plasma bar's lack of auto-hide in KDE4 keeps me hunting for something better.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by richlv ( 778496 )

      hardlock without any log records sounds like a hardware issue - maybe the newer version used some capabilities that triggered this.
      what you could have tried, redirecting syslog to a remote networked machine - though in my experience this has not helped much, as nothing gets logged in that case either.

      speaking about suse/opensuse release quality, personally, i felt that including zmd as default was _the_ worst release[s] (10.1-10.2, if i remember correctly).
      parts of zmd were written in mono (eww), and it was

    • "Anyway, I gave SuSE 11 a shot when it came out. I installed it on a very common Core 2 system (Asus mobo, fresh bios etc). A few seconds after you started KDE (random number), even WITHOUT doing anything, the screen would freeze, and there was nothing you could do, no ctrl+F1, or ssh etc, it was a hard lock. If you switched off and on, nothing out of the ordinary was on the system logs... Tried three clean installations, same behavior"

      I had a similar experience with version 11. Interestingly it went away

      • "I had a similar experience with version 11."

        Add a "me too". On a fully virtualized Xen image. DomO (Debian Etch based) runs perfectly about another dozen domUs without problems, so I'm pretty sure I can discard a hardware problem.

  • Parents use it (Score:3, Interesting)

    by CannonballHead ( 842625 ) on Monday December 15, 2008 @04:46PM (#26124121)

    I set up my parents with openSuSE 11.0 on an older desktop of mine. It runs fine. They are using KDE 4.0. I have to fix a few things now and then, I had to show them how to use some stuff, but they are using it now to print (Canon MP210, network share... slightly buggy when accessing via network on XP but it still works), e-mail (gmail), web (firefox), video (can't remember the program), music (amarok, pandora), documents (, pdf reading), etc.

    I'll upgrade my laptop to openSuSE 11.1 first and if it works, upgrade their desktop as well. Hopefully it will support the video card (Radeon 9800) drivers a little bit better.

    Frankly, the Microsoft/Novell "evil deal" thing is extremely frustrating to me. I'm working with both SuSE and RedHat a lot at work now, and I frankly prefer SuSE to RedHat as far as usability. I've tried Ubuntu and I don't like Gnome, and it was harder to customize Ubuntu (at least for me) than SuSE 10.3/11.0.

    No, SuSE did not pass the grandma-install test, but it passed the set-up-for-parents-and-let-them-use test.

  • Who cares? (Score:2, Troll)

    by Vexorian ( 959249 )
    Yes, really, this is not even freshmeat material. It was not even released yet... Who cares? And well, as long as Novell is behind this I'd rather not care at all about testing it, it is not like the other distros didn't do a much better job at those things that were mentioned so eagerly in this slashvertisement...
  • When did it become SUSE instead of SuSE? DuDE!!

    • by houghi ( 78078 )

      A few years ago. It is now openSUSE. SUSE is the short name for SUSE Linux Enterprise. Before that it was S.u.S.E.

    • "When did it become SUSE instead of SuSE? DuDE!!"

      On September 30 2003, dude!!

  • by Master of Transhuman ( 597628 ) on Monday December 15, 2008 @09:35PM (#26127641) Homepage

    But then that's usually the case for /.

    OpenSUSE is a good Linux distro - one of the top five best, and probably the best. I have 10.3 on my old machine and just installed 11.0 on my new machine. Only complaint I have is now I have to consider whether to upgrade to 11.1. As usual, I'll probably hold off for a couple months to let the bugs get fixed. And I won't touch KDE 4.x until it's at 4.2 at least - too many people complaining about bugs for me to consider using it, although 4.1 is allegedly stable for many people.

    Once again, I said when it occurred that Novell's deal with Microsoft was irrelevant for Linux and FOSS in general except to a bunch of FSF psychos and that has proven to be the case. Only lames with no clue continue to bring it up every time Novell is mentioned.

  • Anybody else notice that posts that are not favorable to the msft/novl deal are modded down as troll or flamebait?

    Isn't it funny how that happens whenever there is a issue that is important to msft? Like the ooxml scam, or msft's vista pos?

    • Anybody else notice that posts that are not favorable to the msft/novl deal are modded down as troll or flamebait?

      Isn't it funny how that happens whenever there is a issue that is important to msft? Like the ooxml scam, or msft's vista pos?

      Most posts on slashdot that mention it are against Vista, but they're not generally modded as troll or flamebait.

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