A Virtualized Linux System For Windows 280
getupstandup1 writes "Ulteo today unveiled their Virtual Desktop (screenshots, download) which is a free, full Linux desktop that runs seamlessly on Windows. It's interesting because it's not running under Xen or VMWare, but instead uses the coLinux patch, which they claim allows the system to achieve 'great performance, close to a native installation on the PC.' No need to reboot the system anymore to switch from Windows to Linux." We discussed Ulteo when the Ubuntu-derived distro was announced a year back.
As opposed to... andLinux? (Score:5, Informative)
np: Saul Williams - Grippo (Saul Williams)
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But isn't that project you linked more like Wubi?
Instead of being a Windows port of the Linux kernel (yeah... weird) like and/coLinux is, it is a Windows based Linux installer, which stuffs the whole distro's file system into a single file in your Windows' partition.
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KDE in windows is going to be the better bet down the road for a lot of stuff, because you have to leap through fewer hoops with the filesystem, at least as far as most applications are concerned.
It's kinda amazing being able to get an awful lot of stuff just running apt-get from a terminal, while inside XP. A real VM is far secure of course. Security decent hardware firewalls and no small amount of obscurity doesn't bother me too horible.
Re:As opposed to... andLinux? (Score:5, Interesting)
Running Win apps on Linux is because there isn't a replacement for it or one that interoperates. Running Linux in a VM on Windows is good for things like security, but running Linux apps on Win just because, seems like an odd choice to me. Especially since one can get OO.org for Win, Firefox for win, Thunderbird for win, Gimp for win etc. Ok, so the last one is kind of cludgy. (Or it was last time I checked a few years ago, I'm sure it's much less so now)
There probably are a few which don't have Win versions, but VMs can be had for free, if you're a home or non-commercial user.
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I hear so little about coLinux, I feel like it's one of Linux's best kept secrets. It's cool that we're starting to see meta-distributions based upon it.
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What worries me, is this runs in 'system managment mode' sounds like colinux is a perfect system to design a 'stealth' rootkit around...
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/11/2044216&from=rss [slashdot.org]
great just great, as if paid hackers needed any help designing and deploying system managment mode rootkits, with colinux they can put a full LAMP server on somone's windows box and they'd never notice, except that their
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It might be better though. With a LAMP server it is traceable, which would make it much easier to take down then say Storm which uses P2P for communication.
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Re:As opposed to... andLinux? (Score:4, Informative)
No 3d acceleration (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe it's YMMV (Score:2)
I guess "Pick the right tool for the job" is what comes to mind.
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Perhaps if 3D-accelerated VMs were more widespread...
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BTW - there is one VM that does virtualization of 3d hardware.. VMWare Fusion. Back when I worked for VMWare they were talking about doing it, but it was always pushed off to the next release. It's for the Mac so I haven't used it, so I don't know how great it is, and there's probably good reasons why it can't be done on Windows or Linux hosts.
Also, the Cygwin/X server (that Ulteo uses) currently uses t
Now, more masculine! (Score:4, Funny)
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Firstly, nothing stops you dual-booting both Linux and Windows in order to understand some of the benefits Linux could potentially bring to you.
Yes there is, I have no desire to dual boot. I don't want to do and thus I choose not to, just like I choose not to give up my XP box becau
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what made me finally switch to linux (2000) was when i learned from a friend that tribes ran in linux under wine. i blew aw
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Near native performance (Score:5, Informative)
In fact, wiki has a list. Look under the "Guest OS speed relative to Host OS" column: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines#More_Details [wikipedia.org]
Most are native or near native.
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Yes, But I think that this doesn't virtualize the entire OS just a part of it which would make it run faster.
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Can it use your 3d card? stuff on the usb ports? (Score:5, Insightful)
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In order: no, no, no, no.
I've run colinux, it provides you a console and a virtual network interface and that's about it. The console has some slow graphics.
The only one of those I know how to actually get you is to run Cygwin's OpenGL-equipped X server, and then use XDMCP to connect to your colinux VM.
Worst of both worlds (Score:5, Funny)
Why on earth would anyone want to run Linux on a Windows box? That's like building your house on a dung hill.
Though I suppose it comes in handy for accessing those Linux only web sites. ;)
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Or linux-only apps (And here I thought Linux meant freedom).
Re:Worst of both worlds (Score:5, Insightful)
Especially since, you can make the air seem a little more fresh with freshners, take a shower, get out of the sun, etc.
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Actually, in this case putting the dung hill on top of the house [wikipedia.org] makes the most sense. You get the benefits of living in a house that's not built on a dung pile, and you still get the benefits of the dung pile!
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To accomplish a dung hill on your house, you have to run Linux native and use KVM with hardware virtualization support to build the dung hill.
That's exactly what I do. I get the benefit of a solid house, as well has ability to go to the dung hill when absolutely needed.
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Why on earth would anyone want to run Linux on a Windows box? That's like building your house on a dung hill.
Konami unavailable for comment (Score:5, Funny)
I guess this means you need to press Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A to get the thing to boot properly?
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Erm, isn't this backwards? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Photoshop CS2 now runs great under WINE. And with it's recent 1.0 RC1 release it's gaining more and more support as it drags its feet to the finish line.
I know it will never be finished, but it sure works great for those few programs I need (Photoshop, DVD Shrink, and, well, that's about it.)
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is this just anti-wine? (Score:2)
You're DOING IT WRONG! (Score:2)
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Vs. Cygwin (Score:2, Insightful)
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I've been waiting for this (Score:3, Funny)
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If I took that advice I'd be pounding my pud in prison...
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Here's an installation guide for Ubuntu, they tell you how to compile from sources.
http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualbox_ubuntu [howtoforge.com]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rdLOrOLJiA&NR=1 [youtube.com]
it was though... (Score:5, Funny)
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The Humorless Language Nazi Explains it All (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's the rule: a lot of words that end with "-us" (not all of them! more on that in a moment) are borrowed from Latin. In that language, a noun ending with "-us" is a singluar form (dominus, lord; servus, slave) that takes a plural form ending in "-i" (domini, lords; servi, slaves). In theory, it's more "correct" to use foreign inflections with foreign words. So instead of "octopuses", "styluses", and "circuses", people say "octopi", "styli", and "circi".
No, wait, nobody says "circi", do they? It's the "correct" usage, because it's a Latin word, but the established usage is "circuses".
The other examples I gave are commonly used, but are in no sense "correct". "Octopus" does not come from Latin: it's a Greek word, and the Greek plural is "octopods". "Stylus" is Latin, but it's misspelled Latin: the Romans spelled it "stilus". It got changed to "stylus" because somebody thought it was somehow derived from the Greek word "stylos". But it's not, so the "correct" way to refer to that thing that comes with your PDA is "stilus" and "stili".
But to heck with being "correct". It's the tar baby of the literate. Just use the rules you learned in grade school and be done with it.
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These sorts of arguments pop up frequently, and really as long as people can tell what is being said, there isn't really a good reason to argue too much about it. The speakers of the various languages will figure out a spelling, which will then be declared archaic and replaced with something knew. It's been happening for millenia.
Really, we ought to be migrating towards rules which are like the ones in grade school, except easy to understand and predictable. Some irregularities are going to crop up. But those should really be reserved for times when the alternative can't be pronounced.
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What's correct is what the vast majority of people do.
Incorrect! If that were true, all the common idioms that most people use would be "correct". Most people use double negatives, but try putting one in your English class essay!
In theory, "correct" English is the language used by the most educated people. But since those people can't quite agree as to exactly what it is, it's pretty much a myth.
...as long as people can tell what is being said, there isn't really a good reason to argue too much about it.
But a key purpose of the rules is to facilitate communication. If you don't get at least a little anal about grammatical rules, it's darn easy to be misunderstood.
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I can't believe that got modded Insightful. What sort of illiterate moderators do we have on here?
English words ending in x add es to make a plural. Do you say "boxs"??
It is a proper noun anyway, so if you need a plural, you should say "distributions of".
I also hope there was no seriousness in the suggestions that plurals in -ces and -ii would be appropriate.
Re:Just wondering (Score:5, Funny)
linux => linuces
I think
I would include a sound effect (i.e., Mooooo~) here, but I have no idea what kinda sound effect Penguins do. Perhaps...
SEGFAUUUUUUUUT~~~~
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The correct sound is Quork! [hackles.org], it seems.
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Last penguin I heard was singing Boogie Wonderland, so who knows...
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index => indices
According to Merriam-Webster, indexes is also a valid spelling [merriam-webster.com]. In fact, indexes is listed prior to indices, which suggests that it is the preferred spelling.
Cecil Adams has an interesting discussion of Latin/English pluralizations hidden in a discussion of the proper plural of penis [straightdope.com].
Re:Just wondering (Score:5, Funny)
Either that, or that the dictionary is in alphabetic order, as is the norm for dictionaries...
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At least my Oxford's does that.
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Some prescriptivists with a Classical fetish in the past have promoted words like "cacti", but the reality is that "cactuses" is perfectly acceptable modern English.
In general, I agree with you [slashdot.org]. However, "cactus" is sort of different because it's not Classical Latin, it's Scientific Latin. If you said "cactus" to a Roman, he wouldn't have thought you were talking about a thorny succulent, because he never would have seen one — it's a New World plant. In Classical Latin, "cactus" refers to the cardoon [britannica.com].
The modern usage comes from Linnaeus's [britannica.com] arbitrary appropriation of the word to describe a quite different family of plants. So your prescriptivist would be a
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Just a thought,
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If so, I may just have reason to try Linux again.
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