Slackware 12.1 Released 244
SlackFan writes "Slackware 12.1 has been released, with kernel 2.6.24-5. 'Among the many program updates and distribution enhancements, you'll find better support for RAID, LVM, and cryptsetup; a network capable (FTP and HTTP, not only NFS) installer; and two of the most advanced desktop environments available today: Xfce 4.4.2, a fast, lightweight, and visually appealing desktop environment, and KDE 3.5.9, the latest 3.x version of the full-featured K Desktop Environment.'"
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excellent question (Score:5, Interesting)
But of course I was standing on the shoulder's of giants. Someone created the look and feel of that and made all the config files work. But how much of that is what goes into a distro and how much is pretty much set by the packages them selves. e.g. choose gnome and is basically the look and feel set?
these days everything seems like it comes down to four looks, KDE or gnome in user interface and redhatish or debianish in directory layout and packages.
THe only distro I've played with that felt amazingly original in every aspect is Damn Small where everything is different and very tight. (never tried Puppy).
So what exactly goes on to make a "distro". What makes say ubuntu different than one of the four chioices (kde,gnome, debian, redhat)
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Actually Mandriva has one of few distros what use upstream version of KDE. KDE developers like it when distribution builders works with KDE project together and does not "fork" own version from it as Kubuntu does.
There was story about this when KDE4 came out on dot.kde.org where KDE devels "thanked" Mandriva.
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Yes, a lot of a distro is the packages and release engineering...but a huge portion is making sure that everything works together, that all the libraries a program needs are installed, that if those libraries need other libraries or utilities that they are installed as well. It's also making sure that everything is working OK with the versions of libraries, compi
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Seriously, it is nice to see that there are some people who don't assume that the whole world speaks English. However, French?!? Just looking at the login screen made me want to eat frogs.
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Making a distro is quite an involved software integration exercise.
It's not just about selecting a bunch of packages. It's about selecting the right versions of the source, configuring, compiling, testing, debugging, patching, testing, packaging, installing, testing, testing and more testing.
A lot of bugs in core utilities get found in this way, and obviously they have to be fixed. Whether that's the disto maintainer, the developers or random community members depends on the individual circumstances.
Bugs pertaining to architecture (big- vs. little-endiam, 32- vs. 64-bit etc.) get found. Bugs in shiny new cutting-edge versions of applications, obscure kernel bugs caused by very particular combinations of configuration parameters, you name it.
As the complexity of GNU/Linux and unix systems increases, it's an ever-increasingly difficult job. That's why large, diverse communities of testers and developers are important.
As for Slackware, it's simple, conservative, very high quality and very useful/usable.
It's a shape Pat hasn't done an official AMD64 version. I've moved to SLAMD64 for my newest machine now. I should really make a donation to Fred.
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Slackware doesn't fuck with upstream. (Score:3, Informative)
Incidentally, "taunting" is not the same word as "touting."
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slackware:linux::Rolling Stones:Rock&Roll
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So thank you. Thank you for the first good analogy Slashdot has ever seen.
What makes Slackware different... (Score:5, Funny)
* Notes: Not to be used as a flotation device. May stick to certain types of skin. Do not taunt Slackware.
You're not their target (Score:2)
same stuff as in every other distro. the same "most advanced desktop environments available today" can be found in hundreds of other distros too. Why not advertise based on what makes slackware different from the rest than taunting the software that everyone else has?
To be honest, Slack isn't likely to pick up a lot of new users since it doesn't make heavy use of GUI config tools that don't link up right with actual config files. Though Slack's system is more reliable and deployable (in my opinion), thes
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Que pasa? Nada. (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Que pasa? Nada. (Score:5, Insightful)
You never know, one day next year (around March 15th or so) you will find that you have the perfect application for the use of Slackware. All of a sudden, it will seem like a cool OS for that application and you will have a moment of de ja vu and silently thank me for this moment.
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I compiled everything myself, for two main reasons: not everything was available as a Slackware package, and I patch a large number of packages to tweak them in a way I like. The issue with Slackware was package management: it has a package system, but not a terribly sophisticated one. I
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To some it is boring, yet to others it's a sign that not only is Linux not going to go away, but it is available for any business, government institution, school, person etc. to modify and use it as they please
I just read some reviews on Slackware, then Gentoo. I run Ubuntu at the moment. I think people bash Slackware because it's difficult to install and maintain compared to others. But if someone gave me the job of installing Linux onto a computer that will later be difficult to physically access and must work no matter what, say, for example, in an operating theatre, then Slackware is a worthy choice. Seems like it's possible to get exactly the features you desire with slackware and nothing else.
But it seem
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Its all good.
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Sure Slackware may be slightly more difficult to install than some other distros, but when it's all said and done, Slackware is incredibly lean and stable.
My son recently got a new PC for for his birthday and came pre-installed with Vista. He told me he wanted to keep Vista installed so he could do some gaming.
A week or so later he was so fed up with the bloat, the pop-ups, and restrictions he said "dad, can you put Linux on this for me". Made me very proud
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*Sorry, I'm not an orator such as Brutus... he's the honorable man*
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I started with Slackware myself (version 2) with ye olde kernel 1.1.47 with the A, N, and D sets, and part of the X set. On a 386DX25 with 8MB FPM DRAM, a 1MB trident card, and a 120MB maxtor disk on an ISA IDE controller, I had a full development kit with the ability to build the system (though not enough disk space to do it, heh heh) and X with Netscape. Good times. Today, I have a real computer, so I can run a bloatier distribution.
Probably the only reason I would run slackware at this point is if I had
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Hooray for slack! (Score:5, Insightful)
At the risk of a "Me Too"... (Score:2)
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All hail Pat and the Slackware Team (Score:3, Insightful)
Bittorrents ... (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.slackware.org/getslack/torrents.php [slackware.org]
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Obscure referential sig? Check. Can't say. I disable sigs like many here. Who cares?
(yes, I fed the troll. Got my Irish up...)
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slackware.org has address 12.246.148.57
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So tell me... (Score:2)
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Will it like my Hauppauge PVR-150 TV card (Score:2)
It's my hope that someone can tell me that "Yes, Slackware will work for you."
But will will not be surprised if Slackware turns out to be just like the distros I have tried.
If you asked me whether Linux sucks, I'd unequivoca
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If you asked me whether Hauppauge hardware sucks, I'd unequivocally say..."Yes it does, and it does so big time." All because of an OS that does not work.
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Slackware will work for you if you know how to make it work. Slackware is a distribution for experts. Slackware is a distribution for people who don't mind^W^Wwant to get their hands dirty.
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Simply put, Slackware is a distro for people who have plenty of time to waste.
simply put, Slackware is a distro for people who have plenty of time to invest in something that they really like/care about and dont have a constant need to whine about the smallest thing that "breaks". but I guess that's a novell concept for you spoonfed motherfuckers.
I find the constant bashing of Slackware for being hard to use and arcane quite ironic (situational irony). simple is not hard and arcane. simple is efficient.
(disclaimer: I am no longer a Slackware user, but I still can appreciate somet
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Simply put, Slackware is a distro for people who have plenty of time to waste.
I applaud your highly-efficient lifestyle. It's not everyone who can completely avoid time-wasting entertainment activities like television, movies, fictional books, video games and fiddling with your computer's operating system.
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I didn't say one shouldn't waste time on enjoyable things, did I?
You snidely implied that it was only for people who didn't have anything better to do. The fact of the matter is that nearly EVERYONE has significant free time that they spend on activities that they find enjoyable. It's not a matter of how much "time to waste" you have -- an ordinary amount of free time is adequate -- it's a matter of how you choose to waste it.
I agree with your new statement, that for most people fiddling with the innards of their operating system is not an enjoyable activity, but t
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Why exactly would someone need to be root to compile a C program? gcc works just fine on my Ubuntu box from an ordinary user account.
"sudo apt-get build-essential"... (Score:4, Informative)
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Distros like Ubuntu are not developer friendly because ... you will have a hell of a time compiling anything from source unless you get all the right development libs after install
Yes, I can see how running "sudo apt-get build-essential" can be hell. I mean, at 28 characters it, umm, really puts a strain on my RSI. Or something.
That's a little disingenuous. It takes a LOT more than build-essential, and you even left out a good chunk of the command line. Come on, it's a lot harder than you make it out to be. I mean, to rebuild Pidgin with modifications, for example, requires:
sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts
sudo apt-get build-dep pidgin
apt-get source pidgin
<Make modifications & go to Pidgin dir>
debchange --nmu
fakeroot debuild -uc -us
See? Serious RSI city, and way too complicated for anyone who has no skills beyond those required to understand and modify large bodies of sophisticated C code.
And if you want to preserve your changes in a patch, to make them easy to apply to new rele
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Oh, forgot:
What's yellow and equivalent to the Axiom of Choice? Zorn's Lemon.
OT: how is slamd64? (Score:2)
Congratulations, Pat! (Score:2, Insightful)
ahh, the good old days... (Score:2)
Sooo many floppies. Its good to see it still survives and thrives.
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Kinda amateurish (Score:2)
I have to say though, it lacks a lot of the polish of the more recent distro's, and this is not a good thing. It's been several months so I don't recall the details, but I mostly just recall having the same sorts of issues that I had on other distros several years ago, but are now annoyance free in those other distros.
It's not j
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I thought this was news for nerds.... (Score:4, Insightful)
If you learn Slackware, you know Linux! Why is that you ask?
Because Slackware does not come with a bunch of highly modified packages, Slackware is build using tested and known to be working code. Configuration and partition is done by hand. Slackware does not crash if setup properly, it is a perfect OS for any server or Desktop.... if you know what you are doing but it is not for you grandma. It is an Operating System for "real" nerds
With all the bitching about lack of features in Slackware, it may be time for you "nerds" to go and load up Vista for the ultimate hand holding experience.
You all remind me of that computer technician we have at work, he thinks he is the freaking king but knows nothing about computers. He fixes issues by running every GUI tool on his thumb drive and hoping that one of them sticks. When I ask him how he fixed it, he has no clue and says that "Tool xyz" fixed it. When I ask him to run "regedit" his eyes open wide and he starts to sweat.... cold sweat.
Dude you are not a computer tech, geek, nerd, hacker
Same goes for Slackware, use it, learn it, know Linux or use openSuSE and stop the bitching.
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What you say is the same thing that's repeated by Gentoo and FreeBSD fans all too often. There is some truth to it as I've found out (used Gentoo for a long time myself), but point is, these days, I do not want to toy with my OS (and let's be fair - that's what setting up Slackware really is), I want it to jus
But what is the advantage of Slackware? (Score:2)
Learning? Learn what? If you want to work professionally with Linux, you will find that most businesses want you to know redhat.
I use debian because I think it has the best package management in the business, among other things. If you going to do a better job of manually managing your packages, you are going to have to really fight to stay on top of your system.
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I have been reading through the comments and it appears as if most "nerds" have been pussy wiped by other distros and don't understand the point of actually knowing your OS.
Most have given up and left /. because their interesting and informative posts keep getting modded Troll or Flamebait whereas the ignorant rantings and astroturfers get modded up.
Maybe I'm getting old. I just come here to read the headlines now and go to other sites to find the actual news. Having said that, many things that make the
System Requirements (Score:5, Interesting)
* 486 processor
* 16MB RAM (32MB suggested)
* 100-500 megabytes of hard disk space for a minimal and around 3.5GB for full install
* 3.5" floppy drive
Does one really need a floppy drive to install it? Of my two desktops and single laptop, none have a floppy drive anymore.
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I suppose it's just listed there as an absolute minimum requirement, e.g. if that's all you have, you can still install Slackware.
(Similarly, you don't need a 486 processor, but if that's all you have, it will run
* Slackware is installed on my main machine, an Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ (2GHz),2Gb RAM,GeForce 8600GT,Dual Monitor-ed monstrosity.
It's also on my wee internal test web-server, a Pentium MMX 166MHz with 16Mb RAM
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I've been running Slackware since 1995 (initially on a 486). Last year I got an Athlon 64 3200+ (2.0GHz) and later upgraded it to a Athlon 64 X2 5200+.
I decided to give SLAMD64 [slamd64.com] a try. It's straight Slackware compiled for AMD64/Intel EM64T. Although I haven't done any serious benchmarks, my SETI@Home floating-point measured performance went up 55% when I installed the 64-bit client. The system is using memory more efficiently too (read up on the problems 32-bit OSes have with RAM of 1GB and above).
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Perhaps someone who's installed it in the last few years (It's been like 3 or 4 years ago for me) could give a definite answer.
ISOs are bootable - no floppy needed (Score:3, Informative)
No, you don't need a floppy. [slackbook.org] The ISOs are bootable.
In addition to keeping with the spirit of Linux distributions circa 1995, Slack seems to keep actual documentation from that era as well. The system requirements you list, plus:
Q11: Is it possible to install this operating system without a floppy drive? [slackware.com]
The only answer involves using LOADLIN to jump into a linux kernel from DOS. Wow! I appreciate the simplicity of Slack, but their main FAQ could include at least reference bootable CDs - it has b
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Yes! And it's not much harder, either. First, you'll need a DOS partition.
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No! Slackware supports punchcards.
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[1] http://www.slackbook.org/html/installation-requirements.html [slackbook.org]
[2] http://www.slackbook.org/html/installation-requirements.html#INSTALLATION-METHODS [slackbook.org]
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As others have said, you don't need the floppy but as a bare minimum you can install from floppy.
I haven't actually done a Slackware install from floppies since I think it was Slackware 3.6, installing A and N (base and network) and then grabbing everything else I needed over a 33.6kbps dialup connection
/Mikael
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<quote from http://www.slackbook.org/html/installation-requirements.html#INSTALLATION-METHODS%25gt [slackbook.org];
While it was once possible to install all of Slackware Linux from floppy disks, the increasing size of software packages (indeed, of some individual programs) has forced the abandonment of the floppy install. As late as Slackware version 7.1 a partial install was possible using floppy disks. The A and N series could be nearly en
Wow. The slack is back. (Score:2)
Good to see them still there fighting the bloat. I'll have to see about getting some slack on a spare server somewhere...
(and y'all thought I was just a BSD pussy)
Slackware.. fond memories (Score:2)
Guess I'm a bit of a distro whore
How about a MAME distro? (Score:2)
I've seen lots of "MAME on Linux" pages if I do a search, but is there a MAME-specific Linux distro?
And if there isn't any, which distro would be the most basic one to make the perfect MAME cabinet (as in, the OS doesn't run background processes that would be useless for a game system).
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