A Gut Check On Gutsy Gibbon 390
jammag writes "Linux pundit Bruce Byfield looked inside the pre-release of Gutsy Gibbon and found what he calls 'Windows thinking.' His article, Divining from the Entrails of Ubuntu's Gutsy Gibbon, notes that Ubuntu is the dominant distro, having achieved a level of success that might be leading to complacency. He opines: 'Only once or twice did I find a balance between accessibility to newcomers and a feature set for advanced users. At times, I wondered whether the popularity might be preventing Ubuntu from finishing some rough edges.'"
On one page? (Score:1, Informative)
Divining from the Entrails of Ubuntu's Gutsy Gibbon
By Bruce Byfield
September 20, 2007
According to the 2007 DesktopLinux.com survey, Ubuntu is the distribution of choice for 30% of GNU/Linux users. The exact figure is questionable, but Ubuntu's dominance is not. For an increasing number of people, Ubuntu is GNU/Linux. Yet, looking at the pre-releases of Gutsy Gibbon, Ubuntu 7.10, I found myself becoming disturbed by the degree to which this popularity has translated into uncritical acceptance.
Make no mistake -- due to the energy that the Ubuntu community and Canonical, its corporate arm, have put into improving the desktop, this popularity is well-deserved. Yet, at the same time, I find myself wondering whether user-friendliness must inevitably mean discouraging users from exploring their systems or taking firm control over them. This question keep nagging me each time I installed, went through the selection of preloaded software, explored the desktop, installed new software, or examined security. Only once or twice did I find a balance between accessibility to newcomers and a feature set for advanced users. At times, too, I wondered whether the popularity might be preventing Ubuntu from finishing some rough edges.
Installation
Many releases ago, Ubuntu settled on installation from a Live CD. To begin the installation, you boot your computer with the CD in the drive, then click an icon to add Ubuntu to your hard drive.
Little has changed in the Gutsy Gibbon release. The installer opens with a warning that you are using a pre-release version that installation of might mean over-writing existing files, then leads you through an eight-step wizard.
To its credit, the installer makes adding an operating system to your hard drive as easy as it can probably be. However, while even novices are unlikely to have much trouble if they accept the defaults, straying beyond them is difficult. For instance, in the keyboard selection step, the only way to know the differences between two U.S. English International layouts or the classical, left hand, or right hand versions of the Dvorak keyboard is to know them beforehand, to research them on another computer, or to try each systematically in the field provided for the purpose.
Similarly, at the partitioner, if you choose the Guided option, you quickly discover that it's a misnomer. "Guided" really means automatic, and gives you no choice whatsoever. I can't help comparing this lack of choice unfavorably to Debian 4.0's presentation of different partitioning schemes that you can either accept or modify as you want.
The installer does a better job with Advanced options on the final screen, tucking away controls for choosing where to install the bootloader or participate in the package Popularity Contest a button-click away from the top level screen.
Yet, for all its convenience, what most characterizes the Ubuntu installer is the lack of choice it presents. Users cannot even choose the initial software to install. This lack is not only frustrating, but violates a main principle of security. After all, you can hardly secure a system if you do not know what is going on it.
Bootup and Desktop
Like the installer, the desktop in Gutsy Gibbon has changed only in minor ways from earlier versions of Ubuntu. And, in many ways, that's not a bad thing, because Ubuntu's default GNOME desktop has always been well-organized. Its menu avoids overwhelming users with choices, and its organization of panel applets or logout options into several categories helps you locate what you need more easily. Sensibly, too, Ubuntu continues to offer only two virtual w
Re:evidence (Score:3, Informative)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron [ubuntu.com]
Re:duhh (Score:4, Informative)
With Linux I've noticed that user control is inversely proportional to user-friendliness.
That's not so. A user who expects a large amount of control is going to find a "user friendly" OS that limits him to be very unfriendly.
Operating systems like Ubuntu are made with user-friendliness in mind and that comes at the price of user control. It's quick and easy to set-up and use which garners alot of favor from the Windows crowd.
Except that it doesn't come at the price of user control. A Ubuntu system can do pretty much everything a plain debian system can. The shell is still there and fully functional, same with apt-get.
Re:duhh. Where are they now? (Score:2, Informative)
Perhaps it is dumbing Linux down. My response: so what. People who find Ubuntu to be useful may be likely to try more advanced distros in the future. This is a foot in the door; the gateway drug so-to-speak.
Power user features? (Score:4, Informative)
As long as there's a terminal available and gcc, you just can't complain about lack of power user features in Linux.
He complains about the multiple package management programs. There's no problem here, since they all use the same underlying database, and a newbie would never know about the command line ones, and wouldn't need to.
A new user will get along just fine with the simplicity of Ubuntu on the desktop. A power user will hit the command line and have no problems.
It seems like this guy knows just enough about Debian to be dangerous, and is now cranky that Ubuntu is slightly different.
A different take... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:According to distrowatch.org, Ubuntu is NOT #1 (Score:4, Informative)
The Distrowatch ranking is only a count of how many people click through distrowatch.org to get to a distribution.
Because the Ubuntu name is so well known, the vast majority of people downloading Ubuntu do it by going to ubuntu.com directly, or get directed to ubuntu.com by Google.
PCLOS, on the other hand, is practically unknown. I would imagine that most people have never heard of it until they went to Distrowatch and saw it near the top of the list, and decided to click on it. In fact, that is how I first learned about PCLOS.
Since most people are discovering PCLOS through Distrowatch, while most people are downloading Unbuntu via ubuntu.com, it makes sense that PCLOS would show up higher on the Distrowatch ranking.
In fact, if you look at Google Trends [google.com] more and more people are searching for "Ubuntu" on Google, even as the amount of people searching for "Linux" is dropping. You could argue that Ubuntu is becoming a replacement for Linux in the common lexicon. Meanwhile, "PCLOS" and "PCLINUXOS" hardly even show up in any Google searches.
Re:Name? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Wait for next (Score:5, Informative)
Sensible defaults and the ability to make changes later on is much preferable.
Now how about installing ntp by default.
Re:Wait for next (Score:5, Informative)
I think that you have misunderstood what SELinux is all about. It is not a replacement for su or sudo, it is a completely different system. It allows the vendor/administrator to explicitly specify what privileges a specific process should have in fine-grained detail. Even though e.g. the apache account has read access to every file that everyone can read, SELinux enables you to specify that the apache process should be denied access to anything beyond its configuration file, its plugins and the web tree, even if it would have access according to the ordinary permissions system.
By restricting rights on this level of detail, a cracker exploiting a security hole in the apache process would not be able to access any file beyond those explicitly specified in the SELinux policy.
Re:Wait for next (Score:2, Informative)
It has been a long time since I tried any of the more user friendly distros, I was surprised at how easy and straight forward it was, and that most of the good stuff was there by default. Linux newbies don't really know what they need, so why bother confusing them with five (or more) different, but vaguely related apps that all do basically the same thing? If they want, they can use the add/remove programs dialogs to search for what they need, after the install is complete. After a few minutes of moving his Thunderbird and Firefox profiles over, it was done.
He's loving it, and he rants and raves to his friends about how easy Ubuntu is--even though he can't pronounce the name. I for one think the Ubuntu guys have done an excellent job. The one thing I think they could have done is made firestarter a default app, configured to get the firewall running by default. Come to think about it, I'm not sure if the firewall is enabled and working before installing and using firestarter; could be for all I know, I didn't test it. If it's not, I think a firewall rule or two should be default.
Re:I actually liked it, really. (Score:3, Informative)
Option "Rotate" "UD"
To your device section to show the display upside down by default. It'll work with most X.org drivers.
For crying out loud! (Score:4, Informative)
If you want gentoo use gentoo , If you want debian use debian, please don't expect every distro to follow your own ideas of the perfect distro and for god's sake, don't even think that your idea of the perfect distro should be considered dogma.
I think that as much as the author blames ubuntu for complacency out of popularity, the things the author is complaining about are not specific to this release which kind of destroys the whole article, as if the guy didn't know the things he is complaining about are exactly the reason ubuntu is so popular.
I RTFA this is a summary:
Color me unimpressed by this article.
Re:Wait for next (Score:3, Informative)
No! Please let this myth die! Read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [ubuntu.com] In
Re:Wait for next (Score:2, Informative)
your example above is no different from one user with root access changing the root password. if you don't trust them implicitly then DONT give them sudo/root access.
the advantage of sudo is the ability to do things like allow a user to use sudo to run some specific backup task or whatever ONLY. no access to rm as root etc. this way if a user requires root access for one program they can be given it without compromising anything else (provided, of course, the program they are given access to is trustworthy and secure in itself).