Microsoft Was Distributing Ubuntu Linux 281
ausage writes "Groklaw has noted that for the last few days, Microsoft has been distributing Unbuntu Desktop Linux from the Windows Marketplace Website. The page is gone now, but can still — as of this morning — be seen using Google cache. 'Heaven only knows that's true, simply perfect for laptops, desktops and servers. The part Microsoft got wrong is it says the license is "Free" and "No limitations". Actually, the GPL does set some limitations, like what you are responsible to do if you redistribute.'"
confusing (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe an employee joke?
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Microsoft can certainly fire the employee, but they nevertheless distributed Ubuntu, which includes alot of GPL-software. This means that they are bound by the terms of the GPL. Among other things, this means that:
1. Anyone can ask for source code from Microsoft. If Microsoft doesn't give out source, then they are violating the GPL and hence copyright law. If they do give out the source code, then they better hope it doesn't infringe on other companie's pa
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=Smidge=
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We didn't distribute it -- we just pointed people to a place that was.
At which point, the we'll have legal precedent for the defense of BitTorrent trackers. If the EFF loses, we get precedent, if they win, the MS patent threat is neutralized. Sounds like a good idea to me! (But IANAL).
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Now, if your BitTorrent tracker points to a source of illegal music distribution, you can still be held liable for copyright infringement because you are promoting violation of copyright. Microsoft was in no way promoting violation of the GPL.
So basically this doesn't hurt Microsoft (other than we all get a good laugh at their expense), and it doesn't help illegal file sharing. And since Microsoft was diligent about removing the page after it was brought to their attention, they can't even be accused of actively promoting the use of Ubuntu, so it wouldn't even be patent entrapment.
So the long and short of it is this: It was funny, but doesn't change anything.
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Therefore they are not bound by the GPL distribution requirements, they didn't even have to accept the GPL as a license.
Moot point. No one has to "accept" the GPL; there's no button to click. The way it works is that the GPL is what gives you the right to distribute at all, so if you distribute a GPLed app, you are bound by the GPL for that app.
If you don't like it, well, no one is forcing you to distribute it.
That said, I don't believe that pointing to a Sourceforge link counts as "dis
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There's a world of difference between telling someone where to download something and selling them a voucher directly redeemable against a product and commercial support package. If I tell you there's a guy down the road selling crack then I'm not supplying it. If I sell you a voucher redeemable for crack from the dealer down the block, I am indirectly supplying it.
Disclaimer: IANACD (I Am Not A Crack Dealer).
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Since it wasn't a Microsoft-Branded product, and was in their "Marketplace" area, not their downloads, they probably haven't incurred any liabilities at all.
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You also have the debate as to whether they were a distributor or merely a Vendor. If Staples carries a boxed copy of RHEL, they're not bound by the GPL anymore than they're bound by the EULA for Windows for carrying Vista.
Since it wasn't a Microsoft-Branded product, and was in their "Marketplace" area, not their downloads, they probably haven't incurred any liabilities at all.
Beyond that, if somebody put it up without approval then they aren't liable to be bound by it. It's like if some random guy at MS signed a contract saying that his company gives up all patent rights now and in the future. It wouldn't hold water because it wasn't authorized by anyone with the authority to authorize that. This falls under the same sort of thing.
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While your company was well within its legal rights to not pay, I wonder whether the fact that it is "in collections" will affect your company's D&B rating and Paydex score. Not a big problem if you don't want to borrow money or need credit from a supplier, but it could be a hassle nonetheles
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You wouldn't say that ibiblio isn't bound by the GPL because they are only a mirror ser
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Microsoft has distributed GPL software in the past (Services for Unix). Just not Linux per se.
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Microsoft has distributed GPL software in the past (Services for Unix). Just not Linux per se.
That's an important detail. Any legal rights that Microsoft bestowed would be limited to the software they distributed under the GPL, if they wrote some custom app and released it under the GPL it wouldn't affect any other application, but if they did legally redistribute Ubuntu then they're now bound to the GPL for the kernel, gcc, OpenOffice, and any other app included in there.
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Services for Unix also includes various GNU utilities licensed under the GPL. Just for giggles:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/developr/interix/interix2
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1) You are only required to distribute source if you made modifications.
2) If MS makes patent claims against Linux users, they just lose the right to distribute Linux, they don't magically lose (or give up) rights to their own patents.
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1) You are only required to distribute source if you made modifications.
Not true. You are required to distribute the source to anyone you distribute copies to. You are not, under copyright law, allowed to make copies. If you do, then you can only do this by agreeing to the GPL. If you agree to the GPL then you are required to make the source code available to anyone you distribute the binaries for. You are permitted to charge a reasonable copying fee for providing the source, however.
2) If MS makes patent claims against Linux users, they just lose the right to distribute Linux, they don't magically lose (or give up) rights to their own patents.
The GPL clearly states that it includes a license to any patents required to use the cod
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1) From the GPL v2 on source distribution:
c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer
to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is
allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you
received the program in object code or executable form with such
an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)
Now expla
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Uh, So what?? (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah, anyone can ask for source code for Ubuntu from Microsoft. So what?? You make it sound like OMFG NOW THEY HAVE TO GIVE ME WINDOWS!!!111oneone
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either way, I'm not sure it means much.
Am I wrong? (Score:5, Informative)
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you are correct (Score:5, Informative)
Windows Marketplace had a link to CNET's Download.com site. So MS was not distributing.
Still humorous though!
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I guarantee that there is GPL code somewhere in one or more of their products that they are not owning up to. you can't keep GPL code out easily with the sheer number of devs they have there. It is way too tempting to take a snippet to solve a problem and simply not tell anyone.
BWHAHAH (Score:5, Funny)
Interesting to see what comes out of this (Score:5, Funny)
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First Post! or maybe not (Score:5, Funny)
1) It was on a blackberry confiscated by the communist French govt.
2) I was ready to post, but the lake I was fishing on suddenly disappeared
3) I was 4th born in my family and I'm too stupid to post
4) ???
5) Profit!
Stereotype review needed (Score:2, Informative)
Even the parliment went conservative, although not by a huge majority.
And Sarkozy likes the US.
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MS distributing a Linux distro? (Score:5, Funny)
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Hell on Earth, but also... (Score:2)
However, there's conservation of infernal-ness, so Hell is experiencing "Earth on Hell", which is great if you're damned. These small nice gestures represent a gradual cooling of the hellfire and a nice-streak developing. It also has occasional impact on our life up here in the form of Microsoft distributing Linux.
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No the south, the deep south.
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Distributing? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is amusing, but it will not have any of the legal implications that many would expect from Microsoft distributing Linux.
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On a side note... how did that get there to begin with? Can users of the website submit software, a la Web2.0, or did some MS dude explicitly approve it?
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It *would* have some rather serious implications under the terms of the GPL license. Specifically, Microsoft would be agreeing to give patent rights with the code. Which would invalidate their request for protection money.
Or so the claims from Groklaw have been. In this particular case, Groklaw pointed it out as simply amusing. The submitter jumped the gun a bit and reported that Microsoft was "Distributing" Lin
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Only if they distributed it under the GPLv3, and it's not under the GPLv3 yet as the GPLv3 doesn't actually exist (still in draft, not approved or ratified or whatever, just a final draft.)
Under GPLv2 they would however be granting license to use any Microsoft code that had been copied into Linux. Hopefully there is none of that and so it would
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"Unbuntu"? (Score:5, Funny)
"Groklaw has noted that for the last few days, Microsoft has been distributing Unbuntu Desktop Linux from the Windows Marketplace Website.
However, according to the cached page Microsoft spelled 'Ubuntu' correctly.
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They've been distributing that for years. I say we call the article a 'dupe' and move on to real news.
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SCENE: MR BALLMER IN A WHITE LINEN SUIT ON A LARGE WICKER CHAIR.
BALLMER: Microsoft... the un-Ubuntu. Freedom - never had it, never will. Ah-ha-ha-ha. [BIG SMILE]
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BALLMER stands up and throws the chair at the camera, then storms off set muttering "developers, developers, devel-" under his breath.
Exeunt.
Rebuntu link? (Score:5, Funny)
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Also -- obligatory xkcd. [xkcd.com]
How much do you want to bet (Score:4, Interesting)
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That makes a lot of sense, either that or a Microsoft grunt was playing a practical joke (whoever is responsible: they're playing with chairs IMO).
The breadcrumbs for that page backup your theory:
Pretty weird place to put the download if they meant to be distributing it. :)
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My suspicion is that someone submitted this to the market place. Note that the title is Ubuntu Desktop, rather than Ubuntu Linux. Also note that the text does not seem to contain 'OS' or 'Linux', and from the description appears to be an office application rather than full featured OS. I suspect that s
System Requirements (Score:5, Interesting)
Also... Like...Damn.
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Screenshot (Score:3, Informative)
http://mrose.org/images/slashdot/microsoft_ubuntu
pretty funny.
System requirements (Score:4, Funny)
Windows 3.x
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows Me
Windows NT
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows MCE
Windows 2003 Server
*snerk* The Windows 3.1 requirement really makes this post.
SP1 (Score:5, Funny)
Psychological tactic? (Score:2, Interesting)
That being said, is there anything illegal about MS re-distributing Ubuntu? Did anyone here actually download it? Can we checksum everything to make sure they didn't trojan any packages?
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WTF, didn't SCO do this too though?
limitations of the GPL .. (Score:2, Informative)
Actually that isn't a limitation, it prevents you from imposing limitations on what downstream developers can do with the code.
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sweet sweet endorphins (Score:2)
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Not Quite (Score:3, Interesting)
The page Google cache is showing me does not say that. What the page I'm seeing says is...
1. Ubuntu is and always will be free of charge. - (True according to the Ubuntu web site.)
2. You do not pay any licensing fees. - (True.)
3. You can download, use and share Ubuntu with your friends, family, school or business for absolutely nothing. - (True, again.)
Perhaps an previous version of the file may have said the license is "Free" and "No limitations", but I'm not finding any evidence of it now. Even Groklaw is saying that "The part Microsoft got wrong is it says the license is "Free" and "No limitations"."
My home and office have been Microsoft-free since 1995 so I'm certainly no Microsoft fanboy, but I think I'm smelling a bit of "knee-jerk" here.
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License Type - Free
Limitations - No Limitations
Where can I (Score:5, Funny)
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Good Old Mahatma Quote (Score:2)
Uh. Anyone can post products to sell there... (Score:2)
It's a CNET thing (Score:5, Informative)
From the how to get listed page at the Windows Marketplace:
"Packaged Software, Hardware, & Devices: If your product is available in packaged format, you can offer it at Windows Marketplace by signing up with CNET.com."
The category for Ubuntu form Download.com:
Windows > Utilities & Drivers > Device Drivers > BIOS & System Updates
Eerily familiar, no?
This is a total non-story. Microsoft isn't distributing anything and CNET needs to fix their categories.
There is no conspiracy here (Score:2)
Big Deal (Score:2)
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?tex t=linux&tabid=1 [windowsmarketplace.com]
This site is just Microsoft aggregating listings from other web sites, such as CNET. A typical brand exploitation exercise, which has essentially nothing to do with the product the product the brand ("Windows" in this case) originally applied to. Ironic, but no relevance to the climate of Hell.
Which version was it? (Score:3, Funny)
Ubuntu Home Premium
Ubuntu Ultimate
Ubuntu Business
or
Ubuntu Home Server?
Looks like they took down "Driver Downloads" (Score:5, Interesting)
Looks like they took the entire "Driver Downloads" category, the one that Ubuntu was in, down.
Also, Notice what category Download.com has Ubuntu under [download.com]. BIOS & System Updates, same as the Microsoft page. So I'd wager that Microsoft was using a script to aggregate download links rather than do them by hand.
So, no joke by a Microsoft employee or anything like that.
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Rating/Comments (Score:2, Informative)
Something that doesn't show up in the Google Cache that really added to the whole thing before it was deleted: Ubuntu got a 5-star rating, and there were several glowing commentaries about how much more usable and stable it is compared to Windows.
Maybe it's a feed ... (Score:2)
I'm sure m$ has some pretty strict contracts with their employees, and they are held liable for this kind of action, even after fired, so i don't think someone will take such a risk.
Besides, don't attribute to malice what is clear product of stupidity.
I've tried it (Score:4, Funny)
looks nice, feels nice... only one thing disturbs me... every once in a while a paperclip appears and saies
It looks like you are trying to switch to linux.
How can I help you to stay honest?
- show me bogus statistics about how much better and more secure windows is
- threat me with patent lawsuits
- offer me more DRM
Oh, no! (Score:3, Funny)
Performance Review (Score:5, Funny)
Well, I'm pretty sure his next review is going to be even worse.
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