Dell Thinks Ubuntu Makes Hardware More Fragile? 380
WolfWings writes "Apparently Dell has decided that Ubuntu-based computers are ineligible for their famed CompleteCare service, or any form of hardware warranty what-so-ever. The news has only recently hit Dell's own IdeaStorm website, via a forum post describing an interaction with the company's customer service. Says the customer, 'I am looking for protection from bricks. The laws of physics do not differ from one OS to the other...do they?' After so recently decided to support Linux on their machines, including limited technical support, Dell seems to be squandering any possible good-will with this decision to leave purchasers of these machines high and dry for hardware warranty coverage." Update: 06/05 23:40 GMT by KD : many readers let us know that Dell has said that the omission of extended warranty and CompleteCare options from the configurator for Ubuntu systems was an "ordering system glitch." It should be fixed by now according to DesktopLinux.com.
Re:Support (Score:4, Interesting)
It would be a triviality to write a shell script that uses Zenity to present dialogs etc and which performs simple fault-finding operations, displays certain system files.
Not to excuse Dell, but maybe (Score:3, Interesting)
FUD (Score:3, Interesting)
Cust svce. Can you reboot, etc., etc., etc.
Me... Sure why not... yadda yadda
Cust svce. Can you click on the start menu
Me No. I don't use Windows
Cust svce. Please hold...
Cust svce. Are you using OSX?
Me No. I use Solaris (Sun Desktop [infiltrated.net] on a Dull unInspiron 6000)
Cust svce. Please hold...
Cust svce. (supervisor gets on now) Can you please click on the start menu...
Me No. I told the other person I use Solaris...
Cust svce. Well we don't support Solaris!
Solaris nor OSX nor Windows nor BSD had anything to do with their cruddy connectivity. The actual conversation took a little longer than that with more e-stupidity from their customer service and I had to pretty much deal with it to a degree... My options? 1) Find a provider who would support/understand basic networking, etc. 2) Deal with it...
This is what happened summarily, so I can see why dull would become filled with uber non Windows FUD. Imagine having to explain to Alibaba
I wouldn't get upset just yet (Score:4, Interesting)
For those not going to read the attached article (or who didn't the first time around), in the end the phone rep was mistaken and misunderstood the policy and HP handled the hardware repair under warranty.
Re:Diagnostic Software? (Score:1, Interesting)
In other words Dell is just fucking lazy and is getting a check from M$ to not support it so people will not buy the Linux computers so they can say the Linux computers did not sell as good as Windows.
This is slashdot, so, of course we're fickle. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Not to excuse Dell, but maybe (Score:4, Interesting)
front remove a few parts and reseat the screen conection.
When I expressed surprise he said this was Dells standard troubleshhooting procedure.
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Re:Support (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Support (Score:3, Interesting)
Only thing left to test would be the hard drive, which I'm sure there is stuff available to do.
Ian
Re:Support (Score:5, Interesting)
Dell Support is not THAT great (Score:1, Interesting)
After nearly 45 mins of arguing I suggested that we try it one more time... and this time I reported back that the drive was visible and had started to run the diagnostic. After a pause of 30s when the diagnostic was "running", I reported back in a distressed tone of voice that my drive reported a test failure while in reality I was still sitting staring at the same screen. Fortunately the fact that the drive had "failed" the test was enough for a replacement to be shipped out to me on next day delivery, and so within 24 hours I was up back and running again
Re:The 6 stages of every project. (Score:4, Interesting)
If they "know" all that, they're delusional. Can you point out a single case where someone has successfully sued Microsoft because something went wrong? Having someone to call at 3 AM who can and will help you troubleshoot your problems is a good reason, but you don't get it just by buying commercial software, you have to buy a very expensive support contract, something you can just as easily do for Linux software as for Windows software.
This is an old, old argument in favor of closed-source software, but it doesn't hold any water, and never has.
Re:Slash chucks out non-html breaks (Score:4, Interesting)
That's nice. Except that Slashdot defaults to "HTML Formatted", not "Plain Old Text". For someone who has posted only two other times, they may not be aware of the formatting drop down menu, and would not necessarily know when to switch the formatting. Also, "Plain Old Text" mode isn't plain old text. It eats some html markup. The only way to see what happens is to Preview.
In my opinion, Slashdot should remove the Submit button from the post screen, and force everyone to preview.
Re:I'm the brick guy (Score:2, Interesting)
Hmmm... I'm not sure if you should get "+1, Funny" or "-1, Flamebait".
Sure, AnotherCaptainTux could get "a computer" at a big box store. The point he was making is that he could not get what he wanted (a computer with Linux pre-installed and CompleteCare protection) from Dell's web site. I doubt he could find that particular "configuration" at store either.
Re:Support (Score:2, Interesting)
The Italian biggest ISP tech support (I live in Italy), actually, makes you open a terminal in order to diagnose network problems on the phone. On windows. And most of the time, the hard problem is getting the customer to open the terminal, and once you're in everything goes pretty straightforward: you tell the guy what to type, and the guy reads the response to you. Quick and simple. On the other hand, the conversation to get him open the terminal is usually along those lines:
TS: "I have to ask you to open a terminal"
C: "Oh, ok, but how do I do that?"
TS: "Click on the start button"
C: "There is no start button"
TS: "Are you sure? A green button in the left-bottom corner of your screen?"
C: "Oh, ok, you meant the windows button"
TS: "Yes" (but there's a big START written on it, goddamnit)
TS: "Now go to all programs and then accessories"
C: "Ok"
TS: "Click on terminal"
C: "I think my computer just broke"
TS: "What happened?"
C: "A black window appeared and it looks all broken"
TS: "It is normal: that is the terminal"
C: "It's ugly"
TS: "Well, hopefully we won't have to look at it for long"
TS: "Now, I will tell you to write things inside that window, and you will have to read me what appears: is it ok?"
C: "Ok"
And then you make the poor customer ping this and that, see if it is a dns problem or what, then do a couple of traceroutes and discover some idiot messed up some router somewhere, so you fix it and then you tell the customer to see if his internet works. He's all happy. You are happy too, and you're about to close the call when he's like
C: "Oh, one last thing"
TS: "Yes?"
C: "Do I really have to keep the black ugly window opened to make it work?"
TS: "Oh no, that's okay, you can close it. It was just for testing"
C: "Oh thanks!"