Michael Dell Using Ubuntu Linux At Home 236
whoever57 sends us a link from the Dell site noting that Michael Dell is using Ubuntu Linux at home (7.04, Feisty Fawn) on a Precision M90 laptop loaded with Openoffice.org and Evolution. If one were betting on which distro Dell will eventually ship pre-installed, this factoid might be food for thought. Oh, and Micheal Dell's gaming system uses XP Media Center edition.
Just an advert (Score:4, Funny)
Given all the other stuff he has I bet the baseline Linux machine will be the toilet one.
Or the one he threatens his kids with:
"Screw around on teh internets and you will use Linux for the rest of the week"
Having said that, its REALLY good Dell are actually selling machines, the specified model just looks crap compared to the other kit on the page.
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* Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 Processor
* 4GB DDR2 667Mhz DRAM
* 17" WXGA+ Widescreen LCD
* 160GB 7200rpm SATA hard drive
* 8X DVD +/- RW optical drive
* NVIDIA Quadro FX 3500 512MB
That is hardly a damn baseline machine. It is a mobile workstation for crying out loud with a QUADRO! Yes, not great for 3D accel, but they have caught up and I think great 2D accel might be more warranted in Linux anyway. Most people using it that I know are not running crazy 3D games in it. Yes, most the other systems on the page would smoke this, but that hardly is saying much.
I also wouldn't start assuming what systems will have Linux installs, but I will put money that there w
Re:Just an advert (Score:4, Interesting)
I have a newish dell laptop with and intel Graphics card running Ubuntu and google Earth has masive drawing errors and is unstable.
I have a 4 year old desktop with as 32Mb NVidia card running Ubuntu and google earth works perfectly.
I don't need 3d for games, but I do need some small amount of 3D. for simple stuff.
Next laptop I buy will have an NVidia card, I hear they are power hungry, and expencive, but at least I will have some form of 3d working.
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Seeing that Linux uses OpenGL for 3D, those cards probably offer better overall performance, at the price of being a bit behind the technology curve from a gamer perspective.
This thing would smoke my des
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Well you have to figure that the reason to use Windows is for games, or having MCE to interface with your XBox360-- or other things of that sort. At this point, most people will find Linux most appropriate for their work machine. You have OpenOffice, Evolution, Firefox, etc. Your "productivity" apps. Those things are far less resource-intensive.
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M90 (Score:2)
However, I am not allowed to use Linux.
Dell support would be fine, but corporate policies need to change too.
He is not the only one - Happy Feisty Fawn day! (Score:2)
Businessmen & Their Customers (Score:5, Insightful)
The simple reason being that a good businessman never assumes what's good for him is good for his customer.
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But the distro isn't the dog food, the notebook is.
In this case I would think that the LT release would be the ideal distro for them to distribute to customers, but hey...
-nB
Maybe he ist looking at a course change? (Score:5, Insightful)
But as Linux gains more market share, it is time for Dell to re-evaluate this position. Michael Dell using Ubuntu may be part of such research. If so, he is acting with more foresight than some managers I know
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How do you even start to generate stats like that? Market share for what?
You could generate meaningful stats for questions like "Market share of desktop PCs sold at Best Buy". Trying to generate stats for the whole "computer" market at once is probably a waste of time.
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Re:Businessmen & Their Customers (Score:4, Interesting)
He's saying that the fact that M. Dell is using Ubuntu should not play a major factor into what distro Dell decides to ship to its customers. The opposite is not true... If he were to pick a distro AFTER the decision had been made, he may very well choose to use the same distro his company is shipping.
We don't know if that decision has been made, what it is, or why M. Dell chose Ubuntu. Making assumptions on any that is foolhardy at best. But then, that's what journalism means today. Making half-assed assumptions and printing them as fact. When you're wrong, you just write the retraction in tiny print on the billionth page.
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Re:Businessmen & Their Customers (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah, the company he led to massive profits. He was fired by VC's and investors who thought a slick oldschool CEO could do better. After nearly going bankrupt and being bailed out by Microsoft of all people they finally brought jobs back. Jobs then led them to the iMac the multi-colored top selling personal computer (to this day as far as I know) and then the IPod and the intel macs.
Yeah, Jobs is a terrible businessman who accidently drives massive profits where 'good businessmen' can't seem to make it fly.
MS tax (Score:5, Funny)
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i'm looking into getting a linux laptop, and the best deal seems to be to get a dell with windows and load linux onto it yourself (make sure you configure it with linux-friendly hardware, though).
Errmmmm (Score:2, Troll)
Re:Errmmmm (Score:5, Funny)
Joe - " I setup Portage to run off a CDB backend, and now my metadata is corrupt. Fix my box, bitch!"
Kerpal - " Ok, sir, please turn off the computer and remove the power cord for 2 minutes. "
Joe - " No, f*** you that won't fix it. I need a tarball of this and that, and a custom shell script to reindex those..."
Kerpal - " Ok, sir, I am going to put you on hold... (hold music) AAAAAAAAAH *BOOM* *SPLAT* *CLICK*"
Ultimately they want a nice easy distro to appeal to the masses, because that's the business they're in. I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a nice idiot-proof restore CD as well, because the expensive part is training the thousands of tech support people worldwide. Having them pop in a restore disc is an easy way to deal with it, because ultimately that's what a lot of techs end up doing when Windows acts up too... just blow it away and start over. That's how they're trained. Advanced software troubleshooting is a luxury billed by the hour, not covered by the puny hardware warranty.
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What? (Score:4, Informative)
I can see that this isn't (i) a definite 'No' (and nor would it be); (ii) "We'd be delighted if the Dell team want to get in touch"; (iii) "I have their Cease & Desist and Restraining Orders on my office wall -- we'll get Dell to ship Ubuntu, just you see"; or (iv) "We're integrating Wine and Launchpad to track users via the default-installed Dell add-ons". However, I don't think that there's enough there to be sure that it is any hint of talks, as Canonical's and Ubuntu's status would rise if Mark Shuttleworth could give the impression that Dell were interested.
What he said (Score:2)
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FIVE?! (Score:5, Insightful)
How much time does he spend applying patches and updating software? Transferring data?
THREE different laptops? Doesn't he realize that the whole appeal of a laptop is that you can take it with you wherever you go?
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Or... (Score:2, Funny)
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I can... One PC to act as my home theater, another PC acting as a big ol' server, a corporate approved box that I can use to work from home, a gaming rig, and another laptop to do normal computer-type stuff. And that's not even counting any machines that would be for other people in the house to use.
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I can see the need too. Unfortunately I don't have all that much space at home. So, I have to have one computer that does absolutely everything I need. That means for right now, I'm running Windows. I would love to be able to run a Linux Server, A Windows Gaming machine, and have a Linux Media centre, and well, for office/internet, I don't care, either one is fine, so I'd probably go with Linux.
Perhaps a mac mini or two would meet your space requirement. It works for me. You could even go the full monty a
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I resemble that remark, though I use my company laptop for "normal computer-type stuff", and don't play games much. Throw in a couple computers for the kids and another laptop for the wife and the numbers edge back up.
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The media server is not going to be in the theatre room. A media client will be.
However, you still don't want your media server cluttered with anything that might tend to subject to the odd distributed DoS attack. Besides which, you probably want every unused cycle in your media server available for transcoding recordings and such.
It's more likely to work better the other way around where your media server is separate from your other server and you somehow exploit the u
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Easy. I have five computers in my house including two laptops. One laptop is for work. One laptop is for my wife, and I also use it when I am watching the kids (I don't usually watch them in my office). One is my file server. One is my primary home machine for things like Quicken and hobby development. My last computer (the admittedly frivolous one) is basically just used for LAN computer games. Here very soon it will be setup to host my childr
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XP Workstation (used as harddisk recording system)
Linux workstation (for fun & profit)
Linux server (for fun&profit)
HTC universal pda (web-browsing, e-mail, pda)
so... 5 pc's seems pretty standard to me.
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1 Security camera DVR PC 1 server pc.
Oh I forgot, another toughbook cf-28 in the garage for car tuning and diagnostics.
so I got 11 computers, 1 wife, 1 child. I have the parts to build 2 more... Looking to make a pair of mythbackends to reside at a couple of friends houses to record TV illegally for me.
except for the Toughbooks, everythi
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Come on, man. Do you think this guy does this on his own? The guy probably has a team of people who just change light bulbs.
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And, yes, I use all of them.
And, yes, I could use more. For example, I don't have an Intel-based Mac or a recent SPARC box.
Steven
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Let's see, I've got my Powerbook, my wife has her iBook. There's the Mini in the office acting as a file and print server, and we've got my old Power Mac in the basement that's simply waiting to be sold. And if you include my web host, which I use to do offsite backups, that's 5 "PCs." I'm also thinking about setting up a MythTV box.
And I don't spend much time applying patches or transferring data. That's what scripts are for.
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I also chose the term "PC" intentionally, to indicate machines that sit on his desk or lap and with which he interacts *personally*. I see no sign of a file/print server there, just three laptops, a gaming desktop, and yet another desktop at work. Never mind the web host; none of those machines powers www.dell.com.
So, what I see is that yo
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One of the laptops is my wife's but the rest are used by us both in various ways. Why do I have so many? Because they all serve a different purpose and they are necessary?
Just because YOU can't understand it doesn't mean it isn't viable. How many TVs do you have operating in y
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He only has five PCs? What an amateur. Off the top of my head, I have a server/workstation. My wife has her own workstation. My daughter has her own workstation. In addition, we have a laptop, and a media center PC. I also have five servers in a test lab that I use for educational purposes.
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The Windows, Linux, and Mac desktops are all on a KVM. I like playing with different OS's and such. I had even considered getting another one and putting BeOS or SkyOS or the like on it, but they
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They all get used for different things.
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On this Ubuntu Laptop at least, very little. It tells him there's updates and asks if he wants to install them. He says "yes", gives the machine his password, and he's done.
I can't speak for the Windows boxes though.
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You really can't understand why the top man in a computer harware company would want 5 different models to play around with? I mean christ, I have 3 desktops and a laptop in my house and I don't even work for a computer hardware company...
Easy enough (Score:2)
2. My wife's Dell laptop
3. Mac Mini HTPC
4. Server/Firewall box
5. Gaming box
And I don't feel like that's an unreasonable number of computers for even a fairly non-technical household like mine. Heck, my folks have four: both mom and dad have a laptop and desktop -- and they're about the most un-technical people you could imagine.
Makes perfect sense to me (Score:2)
Feisty released (Score:5, Informative)
Although it's not officially announced yet, the Ubuntu Feisty Fawn torrents are live:
Desktop i386 [ubuntu.com]
Desktop AMD64 [ubuntu.com]
Server i386 [ubuntu.com]
Server AMD64 [ubuntu.com]
The more exotic torrents (and the directly downloadable ISOs) can be found at the official release site [ubuntu.com] but I thought we'd try to save their servers a bit of pain and heartache.
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Indeed. Thanks a million.
Seriously? (Score:2, Interesting)
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Linspire????
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Windows Migration Assistant? [michaellarabel.com]
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I think there are several reasons -
* It has more of an community feel than some distros, where the company supporting it isn't as in your face as in some other distros.
* It's based on debian so you get all the goodness of debian, but with timely releases.
* There's a stronger commitment to software freedom than some other distros (even more so in Fiesty with gNewSence inspired super-free version), while at th
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But is there really much point to having more than one CD? The versions of software on CD are going to fall out of date. Other than for users with slow network connections, there isn't that much advantage in having several CDs or a big DVD. If anything, it's a disadvantage, as it means you're downloading a lot of software you're never going to install.
Seeing as Debian has both a minimal install CD and an "everything including the kitche
Oh Boy (Score:2, Flamebait)
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KUBUNTU! WHOO!
Support...... (Score:2, Funny)
None. He has support take care of it.
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No Vista (Score:5, Insightful)
He's smart, why shouldn't he run linux (Score:5, Funny)
Just sounds like a plug for Dell systems nothing (Score:2)
OS by Ubuntu (Score:2)
Watch by Cartier
Desk by Ethan Allen
Suit by Armani
Who cares what Michael Dell has on his laptop? How many people who work for "American" car companies drive "Japanese" cars? Just because his company has a deal with Bill Gates doesn't mean MD has to run Windows on his laptop, nor does it mean that what's on his laptop is going into production laptops. Talk about creating a stir over nothing...
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It was actually an obscure reference to commercials I remember as a child, for I believe, watches. The point being, it doesn't matter much what Michael Dell has on his person, let alone his laptop... I suspect he's better dressed and his house better furnished than your average geek... if he chooses to putter around with Ubuntu or any other Linux distro, it's not that much to get excited about... now if you'd seen Ubuntu on Bill Gates' laptop, that might be interesting...
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That's why I put the nationalities in quotes. After all, wouldn't it behoove the CEO of Ford to drive a Toyota and see what his competition was up to? Wouldn't it make sense for MD to give Linux (any distro) a spin on his laptop, to see if he can steal a march on his competitors? Even his having a Gateway on his desk wouldn't be that newsworthy -- he's a proactive CEO, and he won't simply take other people's word for what others products could do. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a MacBook somewher
Gaming rig?! (Score:2)
Get back to work, you slacker!
I used to support executives (Score:4, Insightful)
They simply did not acknowledge that anyone in the organization had any sort of technical problems at all and chalked it up to nerdy whining. Our budgets were routinely slashed, hardware and software was left running long past end of life, capacity planning was a joke and the internal costs for help desk calls and deskside visits were jacked up to absurdly high levels so that no managers would permit their own people to use them. Complaints to senior management were met with not so vague threats of termination, STFU, GBTW!
So if Mike Dell uses uBuntu it's probably because he's imperially disconnected from the realities in his own company. To him, I'm sure he feels that everyone has 5 PC's and full time free dedicated support from the best brains in the industry and what on earth are these peons complaining about now for God's sake?
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Soft (Score:3, Interesting)
I must be the only one who thinks displays look cooler with something displayed in them.
That said it is almost enough to get me to buy those dual 30" ultrasharp displays. I mean they must be readable if Dell has them at home, right? Just how much do those suckers cost I wonder.. Quality of LCD display is pretty important to me as my eyes need rest.
more facts (Score:2)
You all fell for it: this is PR at work.... (Score:5, Insightful)
C'mon, folks--- this is PR working at its finest and you're getting sucked right into the nozzle. Dell support for Linux has been scant and waffling for years. Now you're being seduced by the fantasy that The Big Dell actually uses an OSS system. Get real.
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From the drug world (Score:2)
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He's also got a Dell DJ (Score:2)
At least he doesn't have a Zune. Michel Dell and Steve Ballmer squirting in an airport terminal... *shudder*
Nice (Score:2)
Seriously, though, look at how often over the years he said he'd make AMD boxes, but always stuck with Intel (after another round of extorted price cuts, one imagines) and now they're finally offering AMD CPUs in several lines. Maybe this really is the start of offering a line of supported Dells with L
Vetted (Score:2)
Yes that was meant to be funny.
Overclocking ?! :) (Score:2)
"Dell XPS 710 H2C
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 processor overclocked to 3.2GHz"
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It's not OS/X. It's OS X. And it's not "oh ess ex" it's "oh ess ten"
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CD - ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [linuxtracker.org]
DVD - feisty-dvd-i386.iso.torrent [linuxtracker.org]
Re:How did he download the release so fast? (Score:4, Informative)
http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ [ubuntu.com]
The iso's are on that site now.
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No no no, you're doing it wrong. I'll fix it for you:
This is /. I'm not going to be impressed until he has them all turned into a beowulf cluster.
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It is when you consider how much bitterness apparently exists towards Ubuntu among a lot of the Debian crew.
I've written before that Ubuntu's success highlights the twin points of Debian's high code quality on the one hand, and the abysmally low value of Debian's ideology/culture on the other, while forcibly ramming said facts down the Debian developers' throats. I can barely describe how intensely viscerally gratifying
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Unless he didn't install it and decided to try out one of the new Dell Linux laptops before they hit the streets, so it had Ubuntu on it before it left the factory floor. Which is why there's the speculation that Ubuntu will be the distro used in Dell's consumer Linux machines.
Then again, seeing as the guy got rich from building PCs in his bedroom, I do
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Just because he has the PC doesn't mean he uses it regularly. He can only drive one car at a time too, but I bet he's got several. Part of the lifestyle of the mega rich. Loads of toys you never get to use.