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Two Major Debian Releases In One Day 189

AndyCater writes "If all goes according to plan, Debian should release both an update to Debian Sarge (3.1r6, henceforth to be oldstable) and a new stable release (Debian 4.0, which was codenamed Etch) — and announce the results of the election for Debian Project Leader — all within 12 hours. Sarge was updated late on April 7th UTC, Sam Hocevar was announced as DPL at about 00:30 UTC, and preparations for the release of Debian Etch are ongoing and look good for later on the 8th."
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Two Major Debian Releases In One Day

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  • by utexas delirium ( 908530 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:23AM (#18653367)
    I don't know if the Universe can withstand that.
  • Openoffice 2.0
    firef.. er Iceweasel 2.0
    life is good again.
    • by ZakuSage ( 874456 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @08:44AM (#18654597)
      I literally spent the bulk of yesterday installing Sarge to a new server I set up. Son of a fucking bitch.
      • by jascat ( 602034 )
        It's Debian. If you have stable in your sources.conf, you'll get upgraded next time you run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (once it is released).
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          It's better to read the release notes first -- these notes warn about some potential SargeToEtch upgrade problems and point out a safe upgrade path.

          http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes [debian.org]
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by petermgreen ( 876956 )
          It's Debian. If you have stable in your sources.conf, you'll get upgraded next time you run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (once it is released).
          which is why admins with a clue don't put stable in thier sources.list (the installer used to do this but i belive it has been changed).

          the reality is while the package managers get most stuff right there is nearly always some level of handholding involved in an upgrade from one stable release to the next (e.g. on sarge-etch it is easy to end up wit
  • by Cyberax ( 705495 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:30AM (#18653391)
    I can still see 17 release-critical bugs in their bugtracker: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch [turmzimmer.net]

    Have they decided to postpone their resolution until R2?
    • by cortana ( 588495 )
      The bugs tagged with 'security' are probably not important enough to delay the release. They can be fixed at any time with an update from the security team. That leaves five [turmzimmer.net] bugs, none of which seem so important that they can't be fixed for 4.0r1.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08, 2007 @06:21AM (#18654147)
      They aren't bugs that will prevent the release of Etch.

      They are bugs that threaten the package's inclusion in Etch.
  • Great News (Score:5, Informative)

    by dracocat ( 554744 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:30AM (#18653393)
    Seriously, this is very good news for us.

    This means we can finally start buying new Dell Servers again, instead of relying on ebay to obtain servers that had hard disks compatible with the stable release of debian. For the past two years, Dell had been phasing in new Sata drivers that sarge just refused to work with, but that etch has had no problems with. Hurray! Any chance of an upgrade path so we don't have to support both sarge AND etch?
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Exter-C ( 310390 )
      Actually you can always use these images which include a backported kernel. They work well http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ [kmuto.jp] with opensource being opensource you can easily just make your own kernels and build it all up no problems.
      • with opensource being opensource you can easily just make your own kernels and build it all up no problems.
        Ahh, the words of a college kid with no real-world experience, I see. People with actual jobs require vendor support and patching, using the vendor's tools to do so. Deploying 20 servers with custom kernels, which will all need to be updated by manually compiling new kernels if bug is later found... well... that sounds like a disaster.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by cortana ( 588495 )
      FYI, you could always have used etch's kernel 'backported' to sarge if you went to http://backports.org/ [backports.org]. Another option is Kenshi Muto's Backported d-i images archive [kmuto.jp] page.

      These pages will probably continue to be useful once Etch's default kernel gets out of date; although they may not be necessary as I have heard rumours of plans to push out updated Linux kernel image packages from time to time, with point releases of Debian 4.0 (etch).
    • And we'll also get FAI in stable, what is very good.

  • by timecop ( 16217 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:30AM (#18653399) Homepage
    Sam Hocevar [zoy.org] won the Debian Project Leader election by 8 votes over Steve McIntyre
  • by plasmacutter ( 901737 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:33AM (#18653411)
    western nations base their entire diet around bread, so passover takes a huge chunk out of nerd diets (i know first hand), so to compensate for the scarcity of kosher food, they must have guzzled more caffeinated beverages.. thus resulting in the warp speed rush to 4.0 ..

    well that's at least my theory : D
  • by Tyndareos ( 206375 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:34AM (#18653419) Homepage
    If you would like to celebrate the release of Etch, check out if there's a party planned near you or throw one yourself :)
    http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyEtch [debian.org]
  • The Wow Starts Now! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Jazzer_Techie ( 800432 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @02:38AM (#18653443)
    Cue the:
    Two releases in one day! This is like a turtle suddenly accelerating to lightspeed. It should shut up the people who say the Debian cycle is slow! Good thing they've nearly caught up to Windows; only 2.0 more versions to go!

    In all seriousness, this stable came out over a year more quickly than 3.0 -> 3.1. That's nice to see. I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Seumas ( 6865 )

      over a year more quickly
      Ouch. You hurt my brain, you bastard.
    • Back to normal? (Score:5, Informative)

      by pavon ( 30274 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @12:29PM (#18655777)
      I know that slashdotters like to dig on Debian for having slow releases, but sarge is the only one that took a ridiculously long amount of time to get out the door:

      1.1 - 1.2: 6 months
      1.2 - 1.3: 6 months
      1.3 - 2.0: 13 months
      2.0 - 2.1: 8 months
      2.1 - 2.2: 17 months
      2.2 - 3.0: 23 months
      3.0 - 3.1: 35 months
      3.1 - 4.0: 20 months

      I think that 18 months is a reasonable amount of time between stable releases. If Debian can stick close to that in the future then I will be happy.
  • Kinda OT (Score:2, Interesting)

    by systems ( 764012 )
    But I can't help but to think, life is changing

    Distros are not a hot topic anymore
    where are all the debate about the best distro
    or the best desktop environment

    the source based vs binary based

    where is gentoo where is mandriva where is slackware

    The distro arena kinda became dry, or it matured I dunno

    Is it time to really standardize linux?

    • by xtracto ( 837672 )
      where are all the debate about the best distro

      It finished when user friendly distros based on Debian and with Apt became available...

      In all seriousness I still remember (at the time of Red Hat Linux 8) that the "Debian" distributions was very criticised. Does anyone remember the "Lesbian Linux" parody?, and the Teletubbies parody of Mandrake (not that they have changed their style =oP)
      • I still think of it as 'Little Debian Snack Cakes.' If they wanted to do it right, the releases would have nicknames like 'Nutty Bar.'
        • Actually, the Debian naming conventions are apparently after the "people"/toys from the Pixar movie Toy Story - making it sound even more like its for little kids.

          Note: I still haven't actually used pure Debian out of the fact that every time I've gone to their servers, there's *no* transfer speed. Which is kinda annoying because I finally got an iso just yesterday - but if what I hear is correct about how upgrading takes you to the next release, it should all be good (I'm used to Fedora where if you wan
  • I hate to nitpick, but is there any actual evidence that Etch will replace Sarge as stable today, or is this just unsubstantiated rumor?
  • by phrasebook ( 740834 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @03:17AM (#18653575)
    For me there is nothing exciting about the stable release itself. The real significance is that all the new stuff backed up in experimental can start moving into sid, then into testing again. Debian should have a way of branching testing and making a release out of that branch, rather than bringing the whole thing to a halt while a release gestates.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by BJH ( 11355 )
      You're misunderstanding the purpose of testing - it's there to help stable be stable, not to help sid be more.. um... unstable.
      • I know what the purpose of testing is, but that's just not how most people see it or use it. testing is the ideal happy balance for most Debian users and releases mess that right up.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by mcubed ( 556032 )
        For many Debian desktop users, testing, under normal circumstances, represents the sweet spot of desktop distros: just timely enough, just stable enough; not as fast-moving or susceptible to breakage as Sid, not as hopelessly dated as stable. As a rule, not a bug-ridden as distros based off Sid (Ubuntu, etc.). Those circumstances change, however, when Debian goes into release-mode. And in Debian, releases take months to complete. Testing stagnates, at least from the point of view of those of us who nor
    • by SnowZero ( 92219 )
      Yeah that's exactly my sentiment. Every time my testing updates slow down in their rate, I know that a release is coming. After the release, development heats up again and I will have new toys to play with. It also means I can cut a few unstable/experimental tags from /etc/apt/preferences.
    • by gmack ( 197796 )
      The downside to that idea is one of the reasons Linux no longer has an unstable branch. With two separate branches it's more fun working on the cutting edge new stuff rather than spending time working out bugs in the old.

      With all new work grinding to a halt it forces developers to fix the bugs in the old before working on the new.

    • by Cthefuture ( 665326 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @08:41AM (#18654587)
      If you want all that then it's already available and the branch is called Ubuntu [ubuntu.com]. Even better is that it is stabilized and releases are made every 6 months.
      • If you want all that then it's already available and the branch is called Ubuntu [ubuntu.com]. Even better is that it is stabilized and releases are made every 6 months.

        Sort of. Ubuntu is a fine distribution, but they frequently don't seem to get the upgrade process fully debugged, probably mostly because the semi-annual release schedule is really aggressive. As a result, Ubuntu users have to accept that there's a good chance they'll have to do a complete system reinstall every six months, or else stay with a system that gets further and further behind the cutting edge.

        The great thing about pure Debian is never having to reinstall. I'm typing this on a new Thinkpad

      • I don't want a stabilised branch myself. The whole idea of fixed releases coming out every X months is antiquated to me. I like the 'rolling upgrade' of running testing and I imagine that's how most people use Debian (on their desktops at least). The problem is that the upgrades stop rolling for months at a time once Debian decides to do a release.
  • I wonder if the "holyshit" tag is appropriate here.
    • by n6mod ( 17734 )
      If you're dumb enough to have 'stable' in your apt sources file, that tag will become *very* appropriate.

      BTDT. (when Woody released) Never again.
  • Article? (Score:5, Funny)

    by gringer ( 252588 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @04:28AM (#18653813)
    How can I not read the article if there's no article avaliable to not read?
  • by advocate_one ( 662832 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @05:12AM (#18653969)
    I can't find anything on the Debian site itself...
  • by mushadv ( 909107 ) on Sunday April 08, 2007 @06:04AM (#18654091)
    Hell and winged pigs have collaborated in an effort to simultaneously freeze over and fly. Unfortunately, Satan's poor planning concerning the sequence of these events has rendered the high temperature conditions of the pig launchers devastatingly unsuitable for the hopeful swine. Meteorologists the world over predict a torrential rain of bacon.
    • Sources in Satan's inner circle are saying that the problems began after the project was outsourced to major services conglomerate Helliburton, on the advice of one of Hell's top minions, currently serving an Earthly stint under the name of Dick Cheney. An internal review board is conducting an investigation, and has questioned the wisdom of putting critical projects under the control of the demons responsible for the corruption of Earthly governments.
  • Ah, Etch is finally out the door and it's time to start tracking Lenny. Congrats to all you developers whose amazing skill and hard work ensures that debian stays my favourite distro!

    Sam Hocevar had this year the most interesting DPL candidate platform, IMHO. Not that my opinion matters 'cause I'm not a developer myself and, hence, not qualified to vote. Also, it doesn't look like the DPL would have much power to change things. Best of luck Sam -- this time next year we'll know how good you are in herding

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08, 2007 @09:43AM (#18654833)
    Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 released

    The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of
    Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed "etch", after 21 months of
    constant development. Debian GNU/Linux is a free operating system
    which supports a total of eleven processor architectures and includes
    the KDE, GNOME and Xfce desktop environments. It also features
    cryptographic software and compatibility with the FHS v2.3 and
    software developed for version 3.1 of the LSB.

    Using a now fully integrated installation process, Debian GNU/Linux
    4.0 comes with out-of-the-box support for encrypted partitions. This
    release introduces a newly developed graphical frontend to the
    installation system supporting scripts using composed characters and
    complex languages; the installation system for Debian GNU/Linux has
    now been translated to 58 languages.

    Also beginning with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, the package management
    system has been improved regarding security and efficiency. Secure
    APT allows the verification of the integrity of packages downloaded
    from a mirror. Updated package indices won't be downloaded in their
    entirety, but instead patched with smaller files containing only
    differences from earlier versions.

    Debian GNU/Linux runs on computers ranging from palmtops and handheld
    systems to supercomputers, and on nearly everything in between. A
    total of eleven architectures are supported including: Sun SPARC
    (sparc), HP Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel
    IA-32 (i386) and IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips,
    mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM S/390 (s390) and -- newly introduced with
    Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 -- AMD64 and Intel EM64T (amd64).

    Debian GNU/Linux can be installed from various installation media
    such as DVDs, CDs, USB sticks and floppies, or from the network.
    GNOME is the default desktop environment and is contained on the
    first CD. The K Desktop Environment (KDE) and the Xfce desktop can be
    installed through two new alternative CD images. Also newly available
    with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 are multi-arch CDs and DVDs supporting
    installation of multiple architectures from a single disc.

    Debian GNU/Linux can be downloaded right now via bittorent (the
    recommended way), jigdo or HTTP; see for
    further information. It will soon be available on DVD and CD-ROM from
    numerous vendors , too.

    This release includes a number of updated software packages, such as
    the K Desktop Environment 3.5 (KDE), an updated version of the GNOME
    desktop environment 2.14, the Xfce 4.4 desktop environment, the
    GNUstep desktop 5.2, X.Org 7.1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.4a, GIMP 2.2.13,
    Iceweasel (an unbranded version of Mozilla Firefox, Icedove
    (an unbranded version of Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5), Iceape (an
    unbranded version of Mozilla Seamonkey 1.0.Cool, PostgreSQL 8.1.8,
    MySQL 5.0.32, GNU Compiler Collection 4.1.1, Linux kernel version
    2.6.18, Apache 2.2.3, Samba 3.0.24, Python 2.4.4 and 2.5, Perl 5.8.8,
    PHP 4.4.4 and 5.2.0, Asterisk 1.2.13, and more than 18,000 other
    ready to use software packages.

    Upgrades to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 from the previous release, Debian
    GNU/Linux 3.1 codenamed "sarge", are automatically handled by the
    aptitude package management tool for most configurations, and to a
    certain degree also by the apt-get package management tool. As
    always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be upgraded quite painlessly, in
    place, without any forced downtime, but it is strongly recommended to
    read the release notes for possible issues. For detailed instructions
    about installing and upgrading Debian GNU/Linux, please see the
    release notes .
    Please note that the release notes will be further improved and
    translated to additional languages in the coming weeks.

    ISO download: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/is o-cd/ [debian.org]

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