Linux Desktop Email Key to Success 478
littlepill writes "It looks as though email clients are vital for Linux to succeed in the desktop battle. ZDNet says, "the lack of a powerful email application could hinder the adoption of Linux on the desktop". So, even though Novell's Evolution is one viable and valid product, it seems that there is a clear "message to application vendors to focus on developing a quality email application for the Linux desktop"." I'm unconvinced- I think webmail will soon be replacing client side readers for all but power users.
webmail is only a convenience (Score:3, Interesting)
(No, it isn't the perfect solution. But I trust my system more than I trust my ISP.)
Prefer thunderbird (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Evolution deletes mail by putting it into a virtual folder and hiding the original message in your inbox. This is ok and seamless to the end user UNLESS you happen to also use webmail. In which case your inbox will be cluttered by messages you thought you'd gotten rid of ages ago. The evolution team has flat out refused to address this issue and has been calling this 'not a bug' (which is true) since 2001.
2. Same as above but for Junk Mail.
3. Finding unread messages in Evolution is difficult. Sorting in general is more flexible in Thunderbird IMHO.
4. Thunderbird is cross-platform. From a corporate standpoint this has let me train the entire staff on Thunderbird before installing linux on any workstation. Once linux is installed, they will be using all their familiar apps but without the viruses, spyware, and blue screens of death.
5. Thunderbird will eventually get calendaring as part of Mozilla Lightning. While that's probably years away, I am patient and hopefuly that this will allow us to eventually get back full exchange-type functionality. Regardless, the calendar is not critical for our office.
Evolution does have some great features, notably beagle integration which I would love love love to see in Thunderbird. Unfortunately I don't have the needed talent to make that happen..
I always try really hard to use evolution because of beagle integration and I always end up going back to Thunderbird which I feel is a good enough client to satisfy the typical corporate desktop. At least for small businesses who don't need the calendar.
Don't think so (Score:1, Interesting)
I use Thunderbird because... (Score:4, Interesting)
* Leaving POP3 mail on the server is all-or-nothing. I'd like to see the "delete after X days", "delete after it's gone from the inbox" options that have existed in other POP3 clients for the past ten years or so.
* Displaying large messages is slooooow. As a sysadmin, I regularly deal with 1-5MB log files in my email. If I have to wait 30 seconds each for them to display, I'm not gonna use that program.
* No advanced search. You can't search more than a single mailbox at a time.
On the upside, the GPG integration is better than any other mail client I've used. Still, until they can deal with these fairly basic problems/lack of features, it's a no-go.
Re:HUH? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Webmail for everyone but power users? Nah. (Score:5, Interesting)
In most cases, I've had a pretty difficult time explaining the POP paradigm to less tech-savvy folks anyway. Before I manage to fix things, they don't understand why their friends are getting bounced emails about "full accounts" when their local inbox in OE is empty. Gmail and other webmail services remove that confusion and additionally provide the feature that the email-checking experience is roughly identical on any machine they use to check their mail. Non-power users simply don't consider it worth the effort to use a local mail reader.
Re:Prefer thunderbird (Score:4, Interesting)
7. Evolution Palm integration sucks. Without the simplest things like category exchange, you end up with XXX entries in the address book with no easy way to keep different types separate.
I gave up on it until the dev team realize that they're needs aren't the needs of the general public and certainly aren't the needs of the business user.
Re:AJAX+Webmail (Score:3, Interesting)
I would dearly love to see something like SquirrelMail expanded to include fully functional centralized calendars and contact management. I could probably drop Exchange/Outlook and all the woes that come along with them, but calendaring and contact management are the chief requirements.
Re:HUH? (Score:3, Interesting)
A: They don't exist. I work at an IT shop that supports over 40,000 users and we went out of our way to find a solution that would scale out and provide the capability to serve email & calendaring. The Outlook/Exchange combo was by far the best solution.
There are plenty of good email servers out there. But there aren't alot of good, robust calendar servers out there that are price competitive with Exchange. And if you need shared mailboxes, delegates, etc... the solutions are either too complicated or don't work well at all.
Re:Thuderbird Wins...Just Fix The Calendar! (Score:3, Interesting)
If Novell uses anything other than the OWA interface to access Exchange, you're starting to tread on shaky licensing ground where Microsoft will demand that you purchase CALs for machines connecting to the Exchange server.
Re:E-mail or more? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Calendaring is not e-mail. (Score:3, Interesting)
E-mail. You e-mail me a note suggesting a meeting at a certain time, I look at my schedule and what the meeting's about and either shoot you an acceptance and mark it on my calendar, suggest a different time or just send back a regrets-decline note. The advantage is that this works no matter which e-mail clients and calendar system each of us is using, and works when I have priorities and things on my schedule that you aren't supposed to be aware of.
Re:E-mail or more? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:E-mail or more? (Score:4, Interesting)
I agree with you about the distinction between email and groupware. But may I add that I wouldn't exactly call Evolution or Thunderbird "powerful".
If you really want something for the powerusers, I'm thinking something more along the lines of Sylpheed Claws [sylpheed.org]. It has been ported to Windows, too.
Re:Power users Drive The Desktop (Score:3, Interesting)
If they can't get to their mail because the web server's bogged down, they will definitely be upset about it.
Re:Thuderbird Wins...Just Fix The Calendar! (Score:3, Interesting)
It's not just the calendar. Can you maintain a shared contact list or multiple lists on a server using Thunderbird? Before someone mentions an LDAP directory keep in mind that you can't modify those LDAP contacts from within Thunderbird itself. Unless I'm missing some hidden feature.