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Linux Feels Growing Pains 411

Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes "As Linux enters the mainstream, adopters 'are demanding many features found on commercial software, including a large variety of add-on application programs and management tools that are easy to use,' the Wall Street Journal reports. 'How quickly open-source programs can narrow the gap with commercial software is a hotly debated topic in the computer industry. The transition may determine whether the technology will continue its momentum, or stall in the face of tougher competition at the heart of corporate computer networks.' Eric Singleton, chief information officer at retailer Tommy Hilfiger Corp., which recently switched its e-commerce site 'Tommy.com' from Linux to Microsoft software, calls Linux 'a great product,' but adds, 'it's got to get the final tier of reliability and predictability that I'm going to bet a multi-billion dollar corporation's future on.'"
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  • by bigwavejas ( 678602 ) * on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:21AM (#13269671) Journal
    'it's got to get the final tier of reliability and predictability that I'm going to bet a multi-billion dollar corporation's future on.'

    Good point Eric, with MS you're almost guaranteed to get hacked. Now THAT's predictability!

    • Properly patched and firewalled Windows box is at no higher risk then a Linux box.

      • Not true, just by the sheer number of people who loathe MS, you're guaranteed a greater number of attacks will be geared towards the MS platform than Linux.

        Stop the MS machine!

      • Ah patching. What a great way to spend a day.
        • I know, it pisses me off endlessly to have the redhat update agent hang over and over again since it can't manage to resolve a few dependencies, and trying to keep up on the enormous number of patches a simple webserver takes by hand is a royal pain.

          Oh wait, you were talking about Linux, right?

          • I rarely see rhn down - maybe 3 or 4 times a month, even then it says something along the lines of:

            " IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOLLOWS:

            Red Hat Network is currently experiencing technical difficulties.

            We apologize for any inconvenience this outage may cause.

            Thank you for using Red Hat Network.

            --the RHN team"

            In that case, they usually have it fixed within 20-30 minutes.
            If it's hanging any more than that, you have connectivity problems. This is my experience with 10 RH (AS/ES, 2.1,3.0, x86/AMD64) boxes.
      • Flamebait ? (Score:3, Insightful)

        The grandparent says "Windows will get hacked for sure" and is modded flamebait.

        The parent says "If patched Windows will not get hacked" and is modded flamebait.

        Maybe they are both just opinions ?

      • Properly patched... (Score:3, Informative)

        by Svartalf ( 2997 )
        This implies that you CAN get it properly patched...

        http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2140780/windows- 2000-wide-open [vnunet.com]

    • I really don't know why the parent was moderated flamebait.

      Sure, claiming that using MS almost guarantees that you'll get hacked certainly is a bit trollish, but there is a certain irony if someone who recently switched to MS talks about Linux lacking reliability and predictablity, isn't there?
      • by coolGuyZak ( 844482 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @12:11PM (#13270265)
        I really don't know why the parent was moderated flamebait.

        It's because of his sig. When someone asks to be modded "+/- N whatever", the mods usually oblige.

        To the mods: +5 insightful, please. ;)

  • Liability (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Baorc ( 794142 )
    I guess it's a matter of liability and who you can blame if something goes wrong. As well as Tech support.
    • Having someone to sue? Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most commercial software packages basically include in their legal terms a clause that amounts to "This software will do as it pleases, if it blows up all your computers and kills your grandmother, don't come crying to us"? Or is that only the case for home consumer products?
    • Re:Liability (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jav1231 ( 539129 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:41AM (#13269914)
      This, in my mind, is a myth. People think that you can go to Microsoft and they will be liable. This is false. You CAN lay blame, but it is largely pointless. At best, this will get you a Microsoft shirt onsite who will help you through the issue. Did you lose critical data? Too bad. The EULA is setup to protect Microsoft. If you lost $150,000 in data you're not going to get that from Microsoft. But hey, you can blame them. I suppose that's all CIO's seem to really want.
    • That's very true. The suits aren't interested in freedom, open source, or whatever. They want software on which they feel that they can bet their business' life. They want to feel that there is someone they can call when thing hit the proverbial fan. They want all of this for what they consider to be a reasonable price. They want the "warm and fuzzies" that stuff will work, money will be made, and they won't be fired for doing something considered to be "out of the mainstream" of business.
    • by khasim ( 1285 )
      http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http: / /www.tommyhilfiger.com [netcraft.com]

      Am I on the wrong listing or has their MAIN site been hosted? And hosted on Solaris.

      http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /www.tommy.com [netcraft.com]

      Seems that they JUST switched over to Windows and that they had JUST switched to Linux.

      Come on. They've been on Linux for SIX MONTHS and they've spent THREE YEARS on Apache and Solaris.

      Great. They've been on Win2003 for the past .... let's see, ELEVEN DAYS!!!!

      Talk about rushing a story.
  • job security (Score:3, Interesting)

    by OffTheLip ( 636691 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:24AM (#13269702)
    Nobody ever got fired for choosing Microsoft.
  • by evilpenguin ( 18720 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:25AM (#13269725)
    This is typical of the WSJ. They are quite simply baffled by Free Software and Open Source. This is a newspaper that will never understand the logic of Free Software.

    It shouldn't be surprising that the article has this spin.

    Not that I think it is "wrong," per se. These tools are something that some businesses want and need, but observe the core confusion in the piece: The inability to separate "Linux," the kernel, from the distributions that package all the software. These management tools exist, there are even closed and proprietary ones (look at offerings from IBM and CA).

    WSJ simply needs a smack with the ole cluestick.
    • Should really be the last of our worries. Chances are the mainstream will never get that and frankly, why should they?

      Linux isn't ready for mainstream and I think the periodic reminders/check-ins are fine. Its good to get a veiw from the outside because we tend to get a little too wrapped up in the technical details for our own good.

      So hand onto your clue stick. :)
    • [O]bserve the core confusion in the piece: The inability to separate "Linux," the kernel, from the distributions that package all the software.

      Obviously, they're using "Linux" to refer to the Linux-based operating system platform, not to the Linux kernel. You know, like virtually everyone does, including virtually everyone here.

      Smack with the ole cluestick, indeed.

      • I don't disagree with that.

        I also (if you read my comment) don't disagree that tools like those called for are needed to advance the cause of corporate uptake. My issue is purely with the spin that "Linux could 'lose momentum.'"

        It is part of the general "FUD-ish" pattern that has dogged Linux (and Free Software) since day one. It is part of the "It'll never fly, Orville" pattern. And that the WSJ would take that view should surprise no one. That was my sole point.

        I took and take no exception with the fa
      • Not to mention the CxO not being able to read between the lines in "Get the Facts" campaign.

        Indeed, smack with the ole cluestick.
    • In addition, their chart showing RedHat's subscription sales decline [wsj.com] could come from any number of things during that timeframe. My guess [hope] would be the uptake of Solaris 10 and/or the advancement of other completely free competitive enterprise Linux distros eating away at RedHat's growth.

    • My reading of the TFA is that it starts out with a few anecdotal problems, then it goes on to talk about how the future looks very, very good for linux.
    • That was clear from the text of their article.

      Users don't "demand" anything. They ask for things. Then the programmers prioritize and implement those features over some period of time.

      Suggesting someone is "demanding" something immediately injects an element of fear into the article, and infers that open source has some impending disaster should they not immediately meeting those "demands". Of course, an article like this will be followed up in a couple months with another describing how Linux is
    • by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @12:02PM (#13270149)
      And the people who the WSJ talks to are the decision makers. The ones who make rational decisions based on business needs, not some idealogical mumbo-jumbo about "information wants to be free". These ARE the people that Open Source advocates need to convince if they want to advance their agenda. Prosletyzing to sysadmins only goes so far. As both a business owner AND a techie, I understand the technical and moral repurcussions of using Open Source, but as a business person, I'm still not convinced that it's a good fit for our business, and we only use one or two open source applications that are not for mission critical functions.

      If there's confusion, then these open source companies need to get off their ass and offer business reasons (ie: This will save you $xx on this and $yy on that). It's wrong to assume that every company has people that will go out of their way to investigate new products. Marketing is part of doing business, and if open source companies aren't willing to compete in the marketing arena, then Open Source will continue to be something used only by techo-geeks, hobbyists, and the occasional renegade sysadmin.

      WSJ doesn't need a "smack with a cluestick", the open source companies do.
  • Backwards? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by syntaxglitch ( 889367 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:25AM (#13269726)
    Shouldn't high-demand, nitty-gritty backend server stuff be where linux shines the MOST? Am I missing something here?

    Since god knows linux certainly hasn't caught up with even Microsoft's subpar efforts in desktop end-user experience...
    • Re:Backwards? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by 51mon ( 566265 )
      "Am I missing something here?"

      Difference between reality and what people say?

      Netcraft suggests it will be about another 8 months before tommy.com can claim equivalent stability for the new OS, given it appears their GNU/Linux servers "just worked".

      My guess is new management wanted to change things to something they feel more comfortable with. Seen that at a lot of places, it usually plays merry hell with the service availability stats.

      Not fiddling is the key to good availability, and IT folk are nothing if
  • by team99parody ( 880782 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:26AM (#13269739) Homepage
    Eric Singleton, chief information officer at retailer Tommy Hilfiger Corp. His company had been running its Web shopping site, Tommy.com, on Linux -- but recently switched it to Microsoft software. He calls Linux "a great product," but adds, "it's got to get the final tier of reliability and predictability that I'm going to bet a multibillion-dollar corporation's future on."

    Last I checked Google's a multibillion-dollar corp that actually bet on an OS. Tommy.com, a small fragment of a company that bets on perfumes is nothing of the sort.

    Methnks Eric's disapointed that Oracle and MSFT have larger lunch budgets for CIOs than Linux, and doesn't really give a fuck about the "multi-billion dollar" part of the company that has nothing to do with operating systems.

    • Google is not however using off the shelf distros. They have custimized thier own version of linux to do what they need. Not everyone wants to do that or has the resources to do so.
      • by Monkelectric ( 546685 ) <[moc.cirtceleknom] [ta] [todhsals]> on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:58AM (#13270094)
        Google is not however using off the shelf distros. They have custimized thier own version of linux to do what they need. Not everyone wants to do that or has the resources to do so.

        Cluestick: Individuals can customize their own version of linux. Its not a big deal.

      • Exactly! I think you were unintentionally insightful.

        The ability to customize an OS is *EXACTLY* the type of criteria important when "betting" a "billion dollar company" on an OS.

        If you're "betting" a "billion dollar company" on anything less than the ability to control whatever you're betting on, you're an idiot - and Singleton certainly sounds like he fits the description for using that phrase.

        For Tommy Hilfiger, the thing that they actually "bet the company" on, I guarantee you they have the abil

    • by wcdw ( 179126 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:54AM (#13270047) Homepage
      To be fair, Tommy Hilfiger is not exactly a minor player in its field. However, I can't believe that its web revenue is more than a small percentage of its overall income - 'betting the company' is as absurd as 'multibillion-dollar corporation'.

      And I can believe that the switch was because of larger lunch (and after hours) budgets, having seen it in operation too many times before. And, from his remarks, he was obviously well prepped.
    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Amazon is a multi-billion dollar corporation that bet the farm on Linux. For the last four years Amazon has run all of its webservers and all of its internal applications servers for customer service and the fulfillment centers on Linux systems. For the last two years they've been running all of their big iron databases that used to run on HP/UX boxen on Linux too. When I was there Amazon used RedHat, the only in-house modifications made were to the kernel, which were then fed back to RedHat. As far as I kn
  • by merky1 ( 83978 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:26AM (#13269742) Journal
    After reading it, the article could have been summarized as this...

    Microsoft good... linux bad. Really, trust us... we're as independent as your checkbook needs us to be.
  • Heck yeah (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Safety Cap ( 253500 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:27AM (#13269749) Homepage Journal
    I'm sure Amazon.com and Ticketmaster, which both use the OS that lacks that "the final tier of reliability and predictability" are crying because they didn't pick windows.

    Perhaps Mr. Singleton has been unable to find talented SysAdmins and Devs to maintain his systems and write his code?

    Yes, Windows is easy enough for any reasonably talented monkey to configure (poorly). If I were running a multi-million dollar company, I surely would want some talent in the revenue stream, though.

    • Perhaps Mr. Singleton has been unable to find talented SysAdmins and Devs to maintain his systems and write his code?

      My personal guess is that Mr. Singleton was fully able to cash a check from Redmond though.

  • by unsane1 ( 738444 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:27AM (#13269752)
    I've seen Tommy's internal operations (I interviewed with them a couple of times), and they have to be just about the most clueless fashion company in dealing with technology out there. They've had so much turnover that they've switched platforms on average about once every 6 months, and somehow they continue to choose worse solutions. Good god people, it's not that hard, eluxury does it, polo.com does it, what makes Tommy's opinion so worthwhile when it's their own fault they can't suceed?
  • by Shivetya ( 243324 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:28AM (#13269756) Homepage Journal
    Perhaps that is one obstacle that needs to be overcome, the perception that for software to suceed on Linux that it be open sourced. The first key benefit of Linux is security and integrity. The lowered cost of ownership one gets by not having to license the OS is quick to follow as an important part.

    If we wait for the applications businesses want to appear as Open Source we may just as well forget using Linux in the first place. Not every company can see making money from meer support of a product, many need the initial sales and licensing. Sure someone might one day replicate product X, but how many companies are going to wait?

    • You make a very good point.

      People seem to draw the conclusion that because Linux is principally open source, that no enterprise level support exists for it, and any application that runs on it is automatically free by association.

      I run into this sort of thinking frequently at work, with management looking agast when I mention that, for example, CAs ARCserve for Linux *actually costs money* to licence. Fortunately since we've been buying Red Hat Enterprise Linux (and its associated support agreements) they'
    • I really don't think any company can make money from meer support of a product.

      The problem is that meerkats, or meers for short, can't use computers. Further, they don't usually have any money to buy things with. You'd be hard-pressed to even find a meerkat that can talk. Companies hoping to make money from meer support are using a business model that's destined to fail.

      Clearly the way to go is to make money from human product support. Dog, gorilla, or ninja product support are also possibilities, thoug
  • by beq ( 458372 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:29AM (#13269759)
    Tech Support, GUIs, and tools? Sounds like a business opportunity for open-source entrepreneurs to me... Oh wait, Red Hat, Novell, and others are already doing that.

    Sounds more like Tommy Hilfiger Corp. got a really good deal on hardware and software in return for being willing to help out on the advertising front. And, of course, the WSJ jumps on the bandwagon as usual.
    • >Sounds more like Tommy Hilfiger Corp. got a really good deal on hardware and software in return for being willing to help out on the advertising front.

      How is that different from any pro-Linux PR that comes from IBM, Novell, RH and others?

  • Hey Eric (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Stonan ( 202408 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:29AM (#13269760) Homepage
    PCs didn't have reset switches until MS Windows came along and if we're talking about multiple users I'd rather have an OS that was based on one rather than one 'fudged' from a single user system
    • Uhh.. sorry. No. PC's had reset switches since some of the first clones appeared nearly a decade before Windows was anything more than a curiosity.
  • by bushboy ( 112290 ) <lttc@lefthandedmonkeys.org> on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:30AM (#13269780) Homepage
    Linux is NOT a product. Are these people born stupid ?

    <i>it's got to get the final tier of reliability and predictability that I'm going to bet a multi-billion dollar corporation's future on.</i>

    What a moron.

    Interesting that Linux is good enough for the worlds biggest online retailer :-

    http://www.google.co.za/search?q=amazon+linux&sour ceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=ut f-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:officia l

    I guess Bill Gates buys Hilfiger brown loafers ...
  • excuse me? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by thatedeguy ( 896452 ) <shane@@@distroofthemonth...com> on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:31AM (#13269792) Homepage
    'it's got to get the final tier of reliability and predictability that I'm going to bet a multi-billion dollar corporation's future on.' last time I checked, a microsoft server can't stay up for years at a time without babysitting. And something that is as stable as most linux servers are seems pretty predictable to me. I'm thinking that somebody told him this and he doesn't have the knowledge to call foul.
  • i know, i know.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rwven ( 663186 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:31AM (#13269797)
    I know we all hate to see anyone doggin on linux... To a degree they have a point though. If linux is offering free software and such but a lot of OSS apps don't have the needed/wanted features of the paid programs, a lot of people are still going to pay for the "non-free" stuff.

    I will say though, that OSS apps are getting better and better about providing the user with what they would get if they were paying for a similar program. I'm not sure this post should really be titled about linux at all. it seems more of a concern of "quality of OSS software.

    On the other hand, you find an OSS piece of software like firefox and you get a HUGE amount of customization potential and a ton of included features to boot... and EXTENSIONS!

    There's two sides to every story i guess and to a degree they have a point, but on other plains the table is turned to a large degree. I find some OSS aps to be FAR supoerior to similar apps that you can shell money out on...
  • by dogpuppy5 ( 906007 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:31AM (#13269800)
    This is the typical WSJ restatement of the obvious. The real question is how much truth there is to it. I'm sure that commercial companies like MS (and Sun etc..) can do better than open source when they really focus. A salary is a great thing.

    But that doesn't mean it will work for them in the long run. I see the success of what the WSJ so quaintly calls "a program called Linux" as a way of forcing the big companies to offer real value. The tough question is who will win in the long run.

    I'm sure that the big companies will be able to offer something extra for the extra price, but I'm not sure whether it will be enough. For every one person who chooses the Cadillac model from MS, there will be dozens who will choose cheap Linux. Given the success of Walmart, I'm not sure I want to bet on the earning power of expensive quality.
  • "They are a lot more liberal -- quietly liberal -- in releasing chunks of their code to the developer community," says Mr. Singleton

    You know how hard it is to get source out of those linux guys, Thank You Microsoft for saving us from our multi-vendor lock out.

    of Tommy Hilfiger, who said he has greater confidence in a single vendor in controlling the evolution of its products. "They jumped through a lot of hoops to help us out."

    Translation:
    PAYOLA and Deep Discounts. Sent out a few FAEs to help out

  • One has to wonder whether and if so what kind of a payoff or other gift they (tommy.com) might have gotten to present this interview. A cut in licensing costs? Just what is going on underneath the perfume?

    Microsoft certainly isn't above doing that sort of thing given past performance.

  • Running on Linux (Score:3, Informative)

    by tbedolla ( 637963 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:37AM (#13269862)
    I may not help orchestrate the IT department of a billion dollar company, but I do for a 350 million dollar and growing company, and we are moving to Linux across the board, desktop, POS, and all servers, as we are looking for stability, minimum footprint, lower licensing costs for all software (i.e., OpenOffice, Firefox, help desk software etc) all while avoiding the constant bombardment of virus attacks against our architecture. Windows has not done this for us in a manner that is acceptable moving forward...and please don't respond about maintenance and patch management, because we've had to worry about far less patches and updates since the move.

  • Funny, looks like they've been running Windows2003 since the year it was made [netcraft.com] - they already had a foot in that door. Note also the conspicuous presence of Solaris.

    All that aside I think this is fantastic news. There are many things worse than growing pains, like for instance that GNU/Linux is in any way associated with such a pack of utter and complete tossers [tommy.com]. You can keep your "All American" cologne, it reeks.
  • Silly Demands (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Apreche ( 239272 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:39AM (#13269885) Homepage Journal
    The problem is here that the demands the corporations are making are silly. What you get is a corporation that has problem A. They purchase a proprietary solution to problem A, but it isn't a very good solution. If they switch to Linux they expect to use the exact same shitty solution to problem A. Linux offers a better, free solution to problem A, but they demand to use the same proprietary, expensive and silly one that they've been using. Even if they are willing to make one change to save money, they aren't willing to make any other changes.

    Here's a hypothetical example. A company has a whole bunch of windows workstations running a crummy custom VB app to interface with their database. They want to switch to Linux to save money and increase security. The VB app doesn't run so well in wine, because it's crummy. They could hire someone to conver the VB app into a web app that would be better in many ways. And the cost of hiring that person is less than the money they are saving by switching OSes. But no, they demand to stick with what they've got.

    If you are going to explore using a different base you have to be willing to explore alternatives to everything resting on that base. If you are going to buy a new car, you can't expect that all the after-market parts on your old car will work in the new one. Some of them will, some of them wont. If you really need those parts you have to tought it out and get an equivalent part that is compatible with the new car. If your old car is rusted and busted, you've got no choice. So deal with it.
  • 'it's got to get the final tier of reliability and predictability that I'm going to bet a multi-billion dollar corporation's future on.'

    In other words "no one got fired for purchasing from [instert name of some big company here]".

    Now, when his boss asks why system does not work, he'll be able to say "you know, it is Microsoft", and boss will conclude that if multi-billion company cannot make it better, it is best you can get in the world.

    That sounds logical, but our experience teach us that it is not

  • Ever think... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by zoomba ( 227393 ) <mfc131NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:43AM (#13269931) Homepage
    Ever think that maybe, just maybe, Linux didn't meet their current needs? Maybe it didn't fit well into their existing infrastructure or whatever? Linux is not always the absolute best solution to every IT problem that exists. Sometimes, a Microsoft product is the right choice based on what you're trying to do, who you have employed and what other systems you want it to work with.
  • There is a great article there (the top article at this posting) that makes a VERY PROFOUND
    And Accurate staement

    Linux doent need Business, Business NEEDs Linux

    Is the best way to paraphrase it...Oh heelll..Here ...

    Defending the GPL Sunday, August 07 2005 @ 07:26 AM EDT I heartily recommend that you read Eric Laffoon's article in Open for Business. If it were allowed, I'd put every word of it here on Groklaw. Laffoon is the project lead for KDE's Kdewebdev module. It's the best answer I've seen to anyo
  • It makes sense that PHB's (and their favorite newspaper) are confused by OSS. To them, its like a ghost because its built and maintained by a diverse community, rather than by a hierarchical mgmt structure. Since most of them are themselves dedicated to maintaining a mgmt hierarchy, the absense of such doesn't make sense to them. In the case of linux, they look for 'who makes linux', and see nothing recognizable - yet linux exists, and works very well, quite often outdoing its 'commercial' counterparts d
  • 'it's got to get the final tier of reliability and predictability that I'm going to bet a multi-billion dollar corporation's future on.'

    They can reliably predict that their Windows based servers will crash based on reliable and predictable conditions (i.e. The power is on.)

    Surely that's what meant by reliable and predictable.... Someone bought into the Microsoft hype.
  • Another story about the debate over Linux is ready for $WHATEVER?

    Let's ally a little real-world here. There is no debate. People in the know really aren't having these sorts of conversations with each other. Discussions of the arguments themselves are invariably astroturfing.
    • Linux needs to be easier to install!
      Like Windows is? Who installs Windows anymore? People are buying new computers because of spyware! Nobody fights with the licenses, third party drivers, etc. that are part of installing W
  • hmmm.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Daytona955i ( 448665 ) <{moc.oohay} {ta} {42yugnnylf}> on Monday August 08, 2005 @11:52AM (#13270031)
    From the article:
    "They [microsoft] jumped through a lot of hoops to help us out."

    Uhhh.... yeah, and that kickback doesn't hurt either.

    However the article doesn't talk about what tools they would like to see. Reliable? well I can name a few companies who think so....
    Google, amazon, oracle, IBM.... but Tommy is much bigger than any of those companies.

    Really I'm amazed at some of the compaies I do some support for. Their IT staff can barely install windows and I'm thinking this is one of those groups. Of course Microsoft will come in and help them set everything up if they help bash linux.

    No news here, let's move on.
  • is what this is all about. When the excriment hits the oscillating air movement device, companies want someone or some company that they can put their feet to the fire and blame them instead of taking the blame. Look at the recent personal indentification information losses. How many companies simply said "oh, sorry, we fscked up"????

    Reliability and performance mean nothing if there is a group of people standing by waiting to rush in and fix company XYZ's problems when they happen, no matter if the problems
  • One can hardly take seriously staff of a company that thinks a reality tv show [tv.com] is going to give them "America's Next Top Fashion Designer."

    Maybe it will, actually, because that's more about marketing than ability these days, probably. But they need to learn that style doesn't trump substance in the back office, at least.

  • It is a shame to see a business switch from linux to MS (servers, even, I assume in the case of Tommy.com!) when I think linux is a viable desktop terminal for education and many business offices. At the same time, I've greatly toned down my voice for home use.

    "Testing" isn't enough. "Documentation" isn't enough. Distributions need a "customer satisfaction" group. Badly.
     
  • Hey WSJ and all of the other commercial corporations out there:

    Linux was here, quietly serving up web pages and other such things before it got "noticed". It will be here long after, if it again drops off of the commercial radar.

    Linux isn't here to solve your problems. Linux is here for one and only one reason: Because it "scratches" the itch of open source developers. If there is something that you want from Linux, and you can't seem to understand open source enough to know that you can take the source
  • calls Linux 'a great product,' but adds, 'it's got to get the final tier of reliability and predictability that I'm going to bet a multi-billion dollar corporation's future on.

    Well bo-f'ing-ho. Linux has done just fine in the face of thousands of buggers like him wanking out loud about what Linux has got to do. I've heard that same oral excrement for years. It's not "there" yet. Well, it's still gaining market share so the community must be doing something right. Just don't expect the community to r

  • by dr_dank ( 472072 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @12:03PM (#13270172) Homepage Journal
    Linux has finally reached the Kirk Cameron stage, but it has a ways to go before it hits Alan Thicke critical mass.
  • by linuxhansl ( 764171 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @12:30PM (#13270452)
    I don't get it. This is *free* software. Either you use it (and like it the way it is) or you don't.

    If you need something, either write it yourself and fund its development.

  • by Locutus ( 9039 ) on Monday August 08, 2005 @12:34PM (#13270502)
    The guy at Tommy Hilfiger who was quoted in the article says at the very end that Microsoft jumped through hoops to make the switch happen. Boy, we've heard this one before. At the very least, these guys didn't leave that part out. It really tells the whole story.

    It's all more of Microsofts multi-million dollar marketing campaign against GNU/Linux. Wasn't the Microsoft guy quoted as saying something about changing their customers "perception"????

    More smoke and mirrors and WSJ.COM bought it or was bought...

    LoB

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