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Debian 3.1 (Sarge) Released 411

Posted by timothy from the at-last-not-at-least dept.
Mister Furious writes "First, Apple switches to Intel, and now, equally shocking: Debian Sarge is released! Hell has officially frozen over! The scoop is from debian-administration.org: "The new Debian stable release, codenamed Sarge, has officially been released today. Several years of development since the last stable release, Woody, was released on the 9th of July, 2002 over a thousand developers around the world have helped make this release possible." Changes include Gnome 2.8, Firefox 1.0.4, Thunderbird 1.0.2, Apache 2.0.54 (1.3.33 is still available, too!), Postgresql 7.4.7, and more. The news hasn't hit the main Debian GNU/Linux site as of this article's posting. Congratulations to all of the Debian developers and contributors. Thanks for all your hard work and for a great distro!" Here's a link to the Debian Stable "Release" file.

Espectr0 points out an article about the release at Linux Compatible, writing "It is available on 14 (!) CD's or 2 DVD's. It includes XFree86 4.3, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3, Kernel 2.4.27, GCC 3.3.5, OpenOffice.org 1.1.3 and much others."

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  • Yes but... (Score:4, Funny)

    by yogikoudou ( 806237 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @05:54PM (#12740404) Homepage
    Does it run Linux on my Mac x86 ?

    • The brightside (Score:3, Informative)

      by dmaxwell ( 43234 )
      A big downer of running Linux on a Mac is missing things like full featured java, flash, wine, nvidia drivers, and few other binary tools. Not that this bothers the purists mind you but some of us have to use them.

      Linux on one of these x86 Macs should run just as well as Linux on decent x86 chipsets.

      Myself, I don't buy new Macs just to run Linux on them but I'll cheerfully deploy spare Macs as servers if they're somewhat beefy.
  • In a brillant marketing sting, Steve Jobs of Apple [apple.com], the Debian Developement Team [debian.org] and 3DRealms [3drealms.com] united and tried to get the attention of the world today by confirming the long rumored news of the release of their respective flagship products, the Intel-microprocessor based "Macintosh Computer" [heise.de], the linux operating sytem "Debian 3.1" [debian.org] and the so called first person shooter game "Duke Nukem Forever" [3drealms.com] within hours and by doing so slashdotting [wikipedia.org] the website "Slashdot.Org" [slashdot.org] - the only thing of the whole internet thought to be unslashdottable [1112.net].

  • Mail to debian-announce; news on www.debian.org (Score:5, Informative)

    by Josh Triplett ( 874994 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @05:55PM (#12740415) Homepage
    Mail to debian-announce [debian.org]

    News on www.debian.org [debian.org]

    Congrats to the Debian project!

  • Congratulations! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 06, 2005 @05:56PM (#12740437)

    Direct download links at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/ [debian.org]. Bittorrent, Jigdo or direct ISO downloads (CDs or DVDs).

  • Coincidence? (Score:4, Funny)

    by hunterx11 ( 778171 ) <hunterx11@g3.1415926mail.com minus pi> on Monday June 06, 2005 @05:56PM (#12740439) Homepage Journal
    In a rare show of solidarity with Apple, the Debian maintainers decided to stay with XFree86 instead of X.org when they heard that Apple was switching to x86.
    • Debian will switch to x.org - they haven't done it because, er, it'd have delayed sarge's release even more

    • Re:Coincidence? (Score:5, Informative)

      by lakeland ( 218447 ) <lakeland@acm.org> on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:13PM (#12740689) Homepage
      Er... no. Debian announced it will be moving to xorg as soon as xorg makes a proper release instead of a legacy release. I think debian was the first distro to announce a switch to xorg, though I may be wrong.

      In order to get off the ground quickly, xorg has been releasing versions based on xmkmf that have only really been tested on x86 and ppc. That's great, and means 90% of the people reading this can run xorg now instead of waiting six months for a non-legacy version.

      Debian has been about doing things right, and waiting until they can do things right. They don't want to change to the transitional version of xorg and then change to the non-legacy version of xorg in six months. When xorg gets around to a proper build script based around configure, and starts supporting all the architectures of xfree86, then debian will switch to them.

      • Re:Coincidence? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by evvk ( 247017 )
        "proper build script based around configure"

        autoconf is a quick and dirty hack that has put decent source and library package management back decades. There's nothing "proper" about it, it's just the most popular kid in town.

        • Re:Coincidence? (Score:3, Insightful)

          by tacocat ( 527354 )

          Why do you say that?

          Can you please cite some examples where autoconf is lacking and provide cases where there is an existing software which addresses this shortcoming?

          I know it's very easy to make a statement that something is bad, but to be truely useful information it helps to provide specifics.

          • Re:Coincidence? (Score:3, Interesting)

            by Tony Hoyle ( 11698 )
            1. autoconf tries to have logic for every single supported architecture within it, but of course it only supports the ones that were known at the time of building, and can't handle quirks. You have to build the in manually... compile flags can be particularly evil.. (Digital Unix take a bow!), plus multiple linux distros do things in different ways even if the core OS is the same (Redhat is particularly bad for this... if you don't include certain headers in certain orders if screws up eg. kerberos is dep

          • Re:Coincidence? (Score:3, Informative)

            by EvilIdler ( 21087 )
            SCons tries to improve over Autoconf/Automake, and it's easier
            to make the initial config files:
            http://scons.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

      • Re:Coincidence? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Er... no. Debian announced it will be moving to xorg as soon as xorg makes a proper release instead of a legacy release.

        That's not true. The Debian X package maintainers ("strike force") are working on preparing a mostly-monolithic release of X.Org 6.8.2 right now [deadbeast.net]. xprint is already separately maintained and will not be supplied from the X.Org monolithic tree, and xterm may be split off too. Josh Triplett is working on packaging the libraries, but Debian's not planning on waiting for that to happen be

  • This is great news. Congratulations to everybody involved.

    Now, when can we expect Etch? ;-p

    • You have to wait for the signals (Score:5, Funny)

      by theMinorcan ( 889958 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:40PM (#12740984) Journal
      Now, when can we expect Etch?

      These are some of the things that happened between Debian releases:
      a) The Olympic games returned to Greece.
      b) The Pope died.
      c) A German Pope got elected in a conclave.
      d) Apple switched to Intel.
      e) Watergate's Deep Throat identity was revealed.
      f) The French rejected the European Constitution
      g) Boston won the World Series.
      So just sit, be patient and wait for the signals my son.
      • So just sit, be patient and wait for the signals my son.

        Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
        13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
        14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
        15 And the kings

  • Way to go, guys! (Score:3, Funny)

    by stinky wizzleteats ( 552063 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @05:57PM (#12740445) Homepage Journal
    Congrats all around. Even though I haven't been much of a Debian user, I am very pleased to see this. Making the June 6 projected release date sends a great message to the rest of the larger Linux community.
  • David Hasselhoff doing IBM ads?

  • Nice (Score:2)

    by LiNKz ( 257629 ) *
    Glad to see Debian coming back to a relatively current stable. Debian was my distro of choice until two years later I had the same current CD to install with. I moved from BSD for my servers then. Workstation wise, Debian will be great again :) I wonder what will happen to all of those users who use backports.

  • Whew! (Score:5, Funny)

    by .killedkenny ( 589139 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @05:58PM (#12740467)
    Maintaining a 3-year-old Woody has been quite er...hard.

  • At least ! (Score:2, Funny)

    by farib ( 823081 )
    Dawn lamer warez groups, weren't able to leak a final version of Sarge before the official release.

  • Excellent news! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by fernique ( 754349 )
    The only thing frustrated me -- the number of Release-Critical [debian.org] bugs is not zero! Why is it so? Could anybody give the answer?

    • Re:Excellent news! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by EinarH ( 583836 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:48PM (#12741065) Journal
      IIRC most of those are old bugs from installation reports. They are typicaly quite shallow, like some obscure and hard to reproduce bug in a controller or arch.

      I would think that the team tried to work it out and didn't succeed. Sometimes you've just got to draw that line in the sand and say; that's it: Your bug is not important enough to hold back the whole release.

      Congratulations to the Debian developers.

  • Yea D-Day has arrived! (Score:3, Funny)

    by OmegaBlac ( 752432 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @05:59PM (#12740500)
    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of "But Debian is so ancient" trolls suddenly cried out in frustration and were suddenly silenced.
    • Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! Not that joke again!
    • Except of course kubuntu already has had a release with KDE 3.4, while Debian has 3.3.

  • First Apple switches to Intel chips. Next, there is finally a Debian release. What's next? Microsoft giving away old versions of Office and Windows? Longhorn coming out next week? GNU Hurd becomes fully usable?

    What a strange day today.

  • Congratulations to the entire Debian Project! Sarge is a Modern Distro Desktop Distro. I wonder what the people who complain that Debian is outdated will say now?

    Here's looking forward to Debian 4.0!

  • debian.org now has it (Score:3, Informative)

    by Mister Furious ( 413397 ) <.ben. .at. .someguysserver.com.> on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:01PM (#12740523) Homepage
    The original story (I'm the submitter) says that the main Debian site doesn't have the news yet. It has been updated to reflect the release between the time I submitted the story and the time it was posted.

    The news release is here [debian.org].

  • Kernel (Score:2)

    by 3770 ( 560838 )
    Wow, that is great news.

    I used to be a Debian head. But I've sort of lost touch with it. But this makes me want to try it again.

    What kernel version? 2.4? 2.6?

  • Working download link (Score:5, Informative)

    by maswan ( 106561 ) <slashdot2&maswan,mw,mw> on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:04PM (#12740572) Homepage
    Feel free to download cd and dvd images from cdimage.debian.org [debian.org], we should have plenty of capacity.


    And if we run out, we will do http-redirects to our mirrors around the world, so don't be afraid to get your Sarge now!

    /Mattias Wadenstein - mirror admin, cdimage.debian.org

    • Everytime I read about Debian "Sarge", I'm reminded of that cheerful radio voice in Army Men, when the player dies:

      " Sarge ... is dead !"

      Now I won't be able to play that game anymore after I upgrade my box, it'd be too ominous.

  • What new technology will the staunch "stable Debian" loyaltists now be subject to with this new release?

    I could be a smart ASS and say: USB Support, Graphics (other than ASCII art), Plug And Play, 802.11b, etc, etc -- But I won't.

    I have been totally impressed with a few of the Debian cousins lately (Ubuntu and Knoppix) so I have nothing but nice things to say about what Debian has given to us throughout the years.
  • "Slashdotting ended over debian.org"
  • apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

    (On my SPARC, MIPS, PA-RISC, and x86 machines) For portability and package management, nothing beats debian.
    • before you even think of doing this on a remote system.

      1: there is a package called doc-base that if installed will cause BIG problems unless you upgrade or remove it first.

      2: aptitude is generally considered to make safer descions about upgrade order than apt-get

  • Habemus Debian! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by shywolf9982 ( 887636 )
    That's incredible. Now, Microsoft HAS to release Longhorn. C'mon, you can't let the Debian guys be faster than you....
    Apart from jokes, I'm curious to know if Debian still holds a share of the "market". It was a gooddistribution, but a lil too static. I honestly think they should consider doubling the release speed, or atleast provide significant updates for a release from time to time (who said "and why not call 'em Service Packs?").
    • I'm running 4 Debian boxes here (and they're all Sarge now 'cause Debian makes it so easy).

      One of them is a test box, the other three are production servers.

      =====

      At home, I'm running two of them and they've been Sarge for a long time. And Ubuntu on the desktop, but that's a different story.

      And the home boxes are running 2.6.11.11 (the only non-stock-Debian item on them).
  • I won't start panicking until Duke Nukem Forever goes gold.
  • This is great, but what does it have to do with Apple switching to Intel chips? :)

  • KDE 3.4 for Debian Sarge (Score:5, Informative)

    by Bill Kendrick ( 19287 ) <bill@newbreedsoftware.com> on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:16PM (#12740734) Homepage
    For those who are using, or want to use, Debian Stable (now 'sarge'), but want KDE 3.4 (instead of 3.3), you can get it from pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org [debian.org].

    For those who've been using sarge via its 'Testing' monicker, I'm guessing KDE 3.4 will hit 'etch' (the new 'Testing') in the coming weeks.

    Enjoy!
  • congratulations to the Debian team on a true milestone.

    This release is likely to result in a massive rise in adoption on both desktops and server rooms alike.

    Take a rest now, you've more than earned it - but do keep those updates coming!

  • I'm no fan of liberal release/version number inflation. But this seems way too conservative. Isn't this a major release for Debian? Why in the world isn't this Debian 4? What is that going to take?
  • Debian Planet [debianplanet.org] announces in their latest update that the sarge freeze is now official.

    Hmmm...

  • If Hell has frozen over... (Score:5, Funny)

    by rdwald ( 831442 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:30PM (#12740893)
    ...why don't I have a girlfriend?
  • They really should have waited for the next version of Nethack to be ready before releasing. That way Debian users would have something to keep them occupied so they don't complain when it is another three years until the next release.
  • Which is why I don't use stock Debian. For the world weary: 8.0.3 is out [postgresql.org].

    I mean, including Postgresql 7.4.7 as a badge of pride? Sure, its good and all, but if you have Firefox 1.0.4, then one would thing a leap to PG 8.0 would not be that big of a deal.

  • End of days! (Score:5, Funny)

    by fsterman ( 519061 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:43PM (#12741022) Homepage
    Red Sox win
    We know who deep throat is
    Apple switches to X86
    and Sarge was actually released.

    Its armageddon. Or the Heart Of Gold just flew by.

  • My next three commands... (Score:5, Funny)

    by jusdisgi ( 617863 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:43PM (#12741025)
    Finally I get to run:

    apt-get update
    apt-get dist-upgrade
    apt-get install duke-nukem-forever

    Yes!!!!

  • Can someone please link me to the win32 (Windows XP Home) installer, version, or port of Debian Sarge please?

  • Debian for Users (Score:3, Informative)

    by digitaltraveller ( 167469 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:49PM (#12741081) Homepage

    From the release announcement [debian.org]:

    With the development of the new debian-installer, this release features a new, modular and sophisticated installation routine with integrated hardware detection and unattended installation capabilities.

    One problem for newbies solved.

    Now if they only come up with a friendly alternative to dselect that lets you mix and match packages from the unstable tree, I might start reccomending debian to newbies. Heck, I might even use it myself.

  • All you wankers out there slamming Debian for being slow to release can just push off!

    I am glad that Debian is as stable as it is. Linux has certainly reached the point today where software does not have to develop at the speed of sound in order to remain stable/viable. I do expect Debian to move faster in development as that is one of their core issues in elections today, but I certainly hope it does not try to develop everything as unstable or worse.

    When you consider how many people today are still us

  • Toy Story connection? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by JeTmAn81 ( 836217 )
    I may be missing the obvious, but are Debian releases supposed to be named after characters from the classic Pixar animated film Toy Story? Woody, Sarge, etc...will the next one be Buzz Lightyear?

  • Impressive Accessability. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by tacocat ( 527354 ) <tallison1&twmi,rr,com> on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:54PM (#12741143)
    Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 includes the efforts of the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux, Debian-Med and Debian-Accessibility sub-projects which boosted the number of educational packages and those with a medical affiliation as well as packages designed especially for people with disabilities.

    I spent a weekend doing accessability evaluations on computers. The assignment was for Windows, but the teacher let me use Linux since that was all I had. Turns out my Debian-Linux distrobution had far more accessability features available than anything Windows had. If I had a microphone and a few cameras I could really go to town. But it is worth mentioning that the Linux community as a whole and Debian in particular has done a better than industry standard job at this>

  • x86_64 Support? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by imemyself ( 757318 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @06:57PM (#12741164)
    I know its not 100% necessary to run on AMD64/EM64T processors, and it may or may not even give performance advantages yet, but I think its kind of odd that they have binaries available for pretty minor platforms but don't have any specifically for probably the second most popular after regular x86. I mean RH/Fedora, SuSE, Mandrake, and even Debian-based distros like Ubuntu have x86_64 support, its kind of surprising that Debian doesn't. (And I'm not saying I don't like Debian. I mean apt seriously kicks ass.)

    Will x86_64 be "supported" in whatever will be the next Debian testing? And will Sarge's release mean that testing will rapidly be modernized? If so, I'm looking forward to it.

  • So... (Score:3, Funny)

    by IntergalacticWalrus ( 720648 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @08:39PM (#12742102)
    I guess that by the end of the day, Duke Nukem Forever will be out.

  • How about... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by wikinerd ( 809585 ) on Monday June 06, 2005 @09:20PM (#12742426) Journal
    ...thanking Debian by contributing to their projects? They are the ones who keep their distribution truly Libre (Free) and community-managed, in contrast with the commercial GNU/Linux distributors. When I will have time I will try to help them with translations. You should do something, too.

  • Obligatory Debian Joke (Score:5, Funny)

    by beforewisdom ( 729725 ) on Tuesday June 07, 2005 @07:56AM (#12745276)
    Wow! Fireforx 1.04 ?!

    I only have Firefox 1.0. You know, when a Debian release has a higher browser version then you do, you know it is time to upgrade.

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